Since this city is universally loathed and there seems to be no proper forum to complain about it … feel free to leave your comments! Yes Toronto is a complete SHIT HOLE from hell – I get it. Will get to a post on TO whenever I work up the stomach for it.
Fuck you. Fuck your overpriced shitty basement apartments, your 400sq.ft. micro bachelors, your lazy transit system, your overpaid unproductive bureaucrats, unfair wages, and fuck your impossibly expensive cost of living.
When I moved here last year I had hopes and dreams of the beautiful life I might have, an exciting new job, a busy social life, and a comfortable place to call home. Instead, I quickly realized this city is poised against the working class individual. My dream job quickly became a nightmare once I found out that I was actually required to work in excess of 10-20 hours unpaid overtime each week and as a result my social life completely disappeared. As the months went on I realized I was digging myself deeper and deeper into debt, trying to pay the rent on my modest apartment while also maintaining the decent quality of life I had always had.
To get out of the hellish job I once dreamed of, I now work for less money than before and am forced to find a new, less expensive home. Forget saving money, and forget ever owning a home in this fucking city I just want an apartment that isn’t a complete fucking dump for less than $1000/month. Is that too much to ask that an educated, hardworking, 20 something individual be able to afford an above grade apartment whilst still having some semblance of decent quality life? Are we destined to be enslaved to our bosses and landlords forever just because our generation “missed the boat” on ever achieving financial success?
For years the wages of the middle class have lagged behind the rises in cost of living. What will become of this city, or this country when corporate greed eventually crushes the hopes and dreams of the middle working class into oblivion? We need income reform, we need taxes on foreign ownership, we need affordable housing, WE NEED A REVOLT TORONTO!
I am so sick and tired of being told that I just have to put my head down and keep working until I earn enough to live a comfortable life. We aren’t living through a depression, this city is rich enough to get this shit resolved. Or else I might as well leave, taking my skills and talent to somewhere else that doesn’t suck every last bit of joy out of my life. Someone else can have my under paying job and my run-down over-priced apartment. What’s the point of working here if I can’t afford to live? Whats the point of living here if I won’t be paid what I’m worth?
So that’s my rant r/Toronto. Call me entitled, call me lazy or delusional but I think its about time we take control of what is ours. Fuck the system. Fuck Toronto.”
“Completely agree. I lived in Toronto in the 80’s and worked as a secretary. I didn’t have a car, but I had a nice apartment, paid my bills, ate well and could afford to go on vacation every year. And I was a single Mom so my expenses included daycare. No way that would be possible today.”
“The only problem is the states has so many cities and markets to increase your chances of success. Unfortunately, here in our home and native land, what other CITIES are there besides Toronto? Toronto is a shitty place to live and work in. AND overrated, considering we’re the hub of the entire fucking country.”
“I agree and honestly you’re probably better leaving. Toronto is really starting to drain me. I grew up here but it’s not the same place I grew up in, it’s changed a lot for the worse. In 5 years we will be like Vancouver – a resort city nobody can afford.”
“I don’t know what to say, I hate Toronto. It’s a shit city, overpopulated, not enough opportunities, housing is fucking expensive. People are rude. Traffic on the roads and highways, transportation delays on the trains and buses, it’s a fucked up city is what it is. It’s depressing to live in Toronto, and it’s depressing to work in Toronto, and it’s depressing to be in Toronto.
I don’t know how Vancouver or other parts of Canada are. I’ve never traveled outside of Ontario. But Toronto is a fucking shithole and I’m fucking tired of it. Hell even trying to post a question on the /askTO you’re going to get rude, and condescending replies back from asshole people.”
“By far cost of real estate. I think somewhere they said average detached house was 1.2 mill now? We managed to find a small bungalow for less than that but man a $3700/month mortgage plus property taxes plus Toronto Hydro etc…. it’s a kick in the butt that’s for sure.”
“I moved here from a smaller city a few years ago. In an attempt to get to know people, meet new friends l, network etc. I have found most people quite superficial and cold. (Social worker and can read people quite well) Also how service at bars and restaurants aren’t up to par and how there’s an automatic ask for a 20% tip.”
“Charity mugging is the term. Google chugging or charity mugging + Toronto and you will see you’re not wrong, or a lot of people agree with you, anyway.
I can’t stand them, they’re so aggressive now.”
“Lack of foresight and planning…or an unwillingness to take action on those things.
It’s like being a passenger in a slow motion car wreck. You see what’s coming but no one is willing to take the wheel and steer to another direction or at the very least hit the brakes.
We wait until the very last minute, when the damage is about to be done or will at least cause a significant amount of misery and hardship.
All of which could have been avoided if our leaders were proactive instead of reactive.”
“The same things I hate about most cities: Crime, homelessness, drug abuse, and traffic. But looking around the rest of the world, it could be so, so much worse.
Something a little more specific to Toronto: The architecture is somewhat bland, with many cookie cutter condo towers and excessive amounts of boring concrete buildings and infrastructure downtown.”
“This, but I don’t feel anywhere near as generous about it.
It’s impossible to get around. Traffic here isn’t just bad, it’s in the top ten worst in North America. The TTC is a joke. Many places are too far to walk and cycling means taking your life in your hands.
I live in homelessness/drug addict HQ and it’s getting to me in a major way, I’m feeling cynical and frustrated and ill at ease.
Almost everything that was charming about Toronto has been sold off or priced out.
The fields of poor-quality, overpriced condos are a hellscape. Ugly, many with broken elevators, no thought given to the pipes servicing these monstrosities… coffins with glass walls designed for Florida, not a place that’s got eight months of winter
I’m so angry the city has been allowed to mutate, like a cancer, in such an anti-human direction. I’m annoyed there aren’t many other realistic options in this country, never mind the province
With four years of Ford’s conservatives ahead, it’s only going to get worse
And where the hell else do you go if you want to work and you’re not a farmer or French? Moncton? Calgary? Oh there’s always Vancouver /s”
“The ridiculous cost of living/housing
Poor city planning.”
“The smell of the garbage cans during the summer. That’s pretty much it.”
“As someone who has lived in a number of major world-class cities I’ve thought about this a lot, and how to articulate it (I’m still struggling).
I think a lot of my gripes have to do with how it’s growing and rapidly changing, but the infrastructure isn’t really changing or adapting for it. I can’t believe they didn’t see this coming, and only now are trying to play catch-up.
They’re doing so much redevelopment and there’s so much change, but they don’t seem to invest any money in existing buildings. Walking around downtown, there’s so many new buildings popping up, but then the older beautiful ones are just left to kinda degrade, so the city ends up feeling a bit ‘rough’. If you look at a city like Melbourne or London, there’s beautiful old architecture mixed in with the new.”
“In no particular order:
TTC – I honestly get depressed when it rains in the morning and I have to take the TTC rather than cycle. Don’t get me started about Winter…
Cost of Living/Real Estate – I make good money but it’s so hard to save in this City without becoming a shut in and eating no name chickpeas out of a can for dinner every night in the dark to save on hydro. I’ve already accepted that I’ll have to leave the GTA to ever own a home.
Mental Health Care – As someone who moved here from Europe a few years ago, this is shameful.”
“The extremely hot summers and the extremely cold winters. Spring and fall are too short”
“The fact that there’s no cellphone service on the subway, and that the subway frequently stops because of a delay (or for no apparent reason). Gets kind of frustrating after a while especially after experiencing how efficient the subway systems are in Asian countries.”
“There’s a lot of things I love about my city but since you asked…
People will say ‘cost of living’ but that’s not specific enough. I can only speak for myself but wages have fallen by around 34% in my industry. There’s more jobs but less compensation. Apartment rent in my area of the city has increased by 67% since I moved in. Groceries and transit have gone up but not as significantly as rent has skyrocketed and wages have plummeted. Loan companies are making a killing by trampling over the working class, who are left with little alternative when faced with poverty than to ruin their credit willingly with a bailout loan that can’t be repaid. A lot of Torontonians have an uncomfortable amount of survival debt.
Owning a house is a pipe dream for most people I know. Big corporations like Bell are able to build on land and then close down public walkways and parks (and most big-box TO customer service are notoriously bad) and make getting around even harder than it already is. Our public transit is lagging years behind, as is our IT infrastructure. Amazon is taking over but everyone is still in denial about the upcoming automation labour crisis, so no real solutions are being worked out (talked about, promised, but nothing’s happening).
The education system has been slow to adopt a modern outlook in areas but that’s changing. Human trafficking still exists and is an ongoing hidden problem in the city. Doesn’t seem to be much in the way of vehicle traffic solutions on the horizon either, despite gridlock getting worse steadily each year. A lot of the old police dogs who spent their whole career going after the poor for minor drug offences are now poised to earn millions as investors in new marijuana companies which I think is rather hypocritical. The Meetup scene has staled and there aren’t many other ways to meet new like-minded people in the city. Toronto talks a lot about being a beacon of hope and inspiration by driving experimental innovation but in reality most of these types of projects are cancelled last minute due to the various sides not being able to come to an agreement. Some… not all, some… media outlets (on both sides of the political spectrum) flat-out break the law in order to harass their targets and nobody will stop them. Nobody cares enough about their local politicians.
I’m young and drunk btw not an old man like my ranting implies.”
“I hate how there’s almost no new commercial/office development in the 416 suburbs. With the tax rate being uniform across the City, companies will always either prefer to set up offices downtown or in the 905 to take advantage of their lower rates and more space. Example: Aviva just moved their head office from Scarborough to Markham.
We need more well-paying jobs, not just shoebox condos in Scarborough, Etobicoke, etc.”
“The cost of having fun. All sports tickets, concert tickets, DJ events, and similar events get sold out immediately or are at prices 2x more than similar events in other cities.
People mention infrastructure and transit, but as a side issue, the amount of patios right beside major roadways. But also with (lack of) transit, it affects days/nights out, looking at logistics for parking or transit schedules, getting everyone on the same page.”
“It’s filled with rude people, it’s ugly, it’s expensive. I would leave here if I could.”
“I think the culture. “no-fun Toronto” is a real thing when you compare us to other cities. And when we do try to do fun things, we Torontoize them so much that they’re no longer fun. For example, why was open streets TO only 4 hours on a Sunday? Why didn’t it start Saturday evening and last through Sunday afternoon? The odd time we take a good idea from other cities we bastardize them beyond recognition because we don’t think we’re responsible enough to have any fun. It’s like we don’t think we’re deserving of anything nice, and it sometimes really gets me down.”
“The cost of real estate and rent. There won’t be any possibility for the youth or millennials to buy anything. Too sad”
“I know it’s something we have no control over, but the sunset and sunrise times in the winter. The days are way too long compared to just a little further south.”
“The lack of mountains and hills. I’m always in awe when I visit places like LA which have plenty of mountainous views you can not only admire but also hike through.”
“The smell, it permeates everywhere.”
“cost of living comparable to nyc or los angeles, traffic congestion that was obviously never planned for and will be tough and expensive to fix now. people’s general unfriendliness. and lack of good mexican food/tacos.”
“The public transit The traffic The construction The waterfront The sprawl Cost of housing The bland and boring architecture Feeling like a foreigner in some parts, though that’s more of a gta issue The leafs and how they’re the dominant sporting team in this city for some odd reason”
“I agree with everything you mentioned:
-It’s completely unaffordable to live here unless you’re pretty well off
–Over the past 10-15 years, a lot of amazing independent businesses that gave the city character have had to close their doors
–The general vibe is way too work/hustle-obsessed for my liking, but then again, maybe part of that is because we couldn’t afford to live here if we weren’t working all the time
–I find municipal politics here incredibly frustrating
I’ve lost hope of having a family here as I can barely afford to keep afloat. Also, the feeling of commuting (during rush hour) in this city comes with a heavy sense of dread. Lastly, I find the architecture in this city to be bland and the urban planning to be rushed and unaccommodating. I feel like this city can do better… a lot better.
Edit: on a positive note, I love the diversity in cuisine and the quality of care at UHN. I wouldn’t want to have surgery anywhere else.”
“I have lots of perspective having travelled and lived in many different parts of the world,
For me, the problem is the people.
- Too many rich people acting like entitled douch bags.
- way too many racist, homophobic, misogynistic assholes akin to DoFo.
- Toronto gets all the people the rest of the province does not want, via a one way bus ticket.
The end result is the the middle class get screwed.”
“Because it’s a city that’s so much less than it could be. It’s stuck between its deeply conservative roots, its terrible leadership, and infrastructure that is decades behind. It’s not just “people complaining.” Toronto lacks in so many ways compared to other big cities and it’s frustrating.”
“It’s too expensive for me. Can’t afford to own a condo on a near 6 figure salary due to the number of issue affecting the housing market.”
“It’s just way too expensive to the point that it doesn’t feel like it’s worth living here. I was actually born here and contemplate leaving. Recently, I’ve been seeing an ad on YT where recently lottery winners are asked about what they’ll do with their winnings and one guy actually said that he can now finally afford to move to Toronto and rent a place.
Also because everyone is basically struggling to afford rent, it’s all hustle and bustle and no one really talks to each other during the commute or just anywhere.”
“Altruism, empathy, social engagement, sense of community etc. definitely have been dying in Toronto. A gap has definitely grown between renters and home owners in these areas within neighbourhoods too.”
“It’s not the same city as it used to be! Drivers are rude, people littering, unaffordable housing, FORD as a fucking premier. Etc.. but I agree with the top voted. There are good things in Toronto but the bad is outweighing some of the good.”
“It all depends on money. If you make at least 40K a year Toronto is one of the best places in Canada to live. If you get 11K a year from disability, as I do then the health care is adequate while in smaller communities it’s horrifically bad even without the doctor shortages; but in terms of quality of life it’s not much better than a dingy shack and dented tuna cans in any other community.”
If you make at least 40K a year Toronto is one of the best places in Canada to live.
“I am sorry, several ppl would disagree with this. I make close to 6 figures and with rent and basic expenses, i have to cut down or luxuries like eating out a lot compared to how much more money i could spend when i lived in Houston.”
“40k a year if by Toronto you mean Brampton and you rent a basement or collect subsidies…”
“Born and raised in Toronto but I have travelled around a lot to other major cities for comparison. The few things that my friends, family and I find frustrating with this city:
- Unaffordable as housing and cost of living here is ridiculous
- Commuting around the city sucks. Traffic here is ridiculous and we have some of the worst public transit systems in the world despite being a massive city. Not to mention our crumbling roads and potholes take forever to get fixed.
- Infrastructure is old and falling apart and parts of the city is starting to look really grungy and ghetto.
- Weather is not the greatest. It’s basically cold 8 months of the year and you get very little days of sun. It takes a toll on your health and mood.
- Work life balance is pretty bad, we are overworked and under paid and hardly get time to have a social life. Majority of Toronto residence is living pay cheque to pay cheque which is just unacceptable.
- We have homelessness issues and little mental health resources
- Crime is pretty bad, basically a homocide or shooting every week.
Many of my friends complain on the amount of income taxes we pay, most of these problems should be fixed. It sometimes feels like u work ur life away here and get nothing in return to show for it. Most of my money goes towards vacations so I can escape atleast 2 weeks a year.
But at the end of the day Toronto is my home so I deal with it.”
“It is a nightmare to park in downtown Toronto
And you will use profanity better than a gangster rapper when you want to turn right but see the traffic sign says “You can’t turn right”
Men are friendly but women will scream as soon as you say hi to them in public. I thought there was something wrong with me but other men who live in Toronto say they notice the same thing, and men who are visiting Toronto from other cities notice the same thing
The monthly rent for a little tiny room is a bit less than the purchase price of a normal house in other cities
The cell phone bill…. disgusting”
Transit sucks, planning sucks/fucking condos/any charming thing is priced out or turned into a condo or Shoppers Drug Mart, violence, lack of support for mental health issues, cost of living vs income is obscene, live to work culture, standoffish/neurotic vibe (many people are lonely too). I can’t wait to get out of here.
This city’s best times are over, and it’s thanks to developers and city officials being greedy and myopic as fuck. You can’t intensify the way they have and completely fail to accommodate this with appropriate transit and infrastructure. They also have failed to protect the businesses and creators that are vital to maintaining a sense of community. But politicians know they won’t get elected if they raise taxes, and they won’t risk their careers to do it once in office. Bunch of corrupt chickenshits that are going to cast a LONG shadow over this place.
Once again, extremely eager to get the hell out of here.”
“40k might make sense if you have absolutely no life- you’re a drone that lives only to work and you survive off canned food and do nothing when you get home.”
“Cause they are bored of it and its friggin cold and shitty for alot of the year. I like the idea of florida for thr cold 5 months..rest back to t.o”
“Not sure if my opinion is valid, but I stayed in Montreal for a year and travelled around Canada for a bit. The thing I didn’t like about Toronto was how…cold it was. The people weren’t very nice and they all seemed to be in a rush. Plus the city itself is very grey and not all that interesting to be in (that is to say, most of the things worth doing are hella expensive)”
“Ha, this conversation came up at work today. A colleague from Toronto was at a family reunion out of province this weekend and was shocked that there were boos every time it was announced that someone was from Toronto. He asked us why do people hate Toronto, “everything comes from Toronto and the country wouldn’t be anything without the city.” I guess that kind of mentality is why people are anti-toronto.”
“I go to school at George Brown on King St.. I hate Toronto because it smells awful. The air is bad. Anyone in the financial district dressed in a suit will look at you like you’re a walking turd trespassing on their turf. I think title of taxi driver in Toronto is actually a scapegoat to be a killer. I’ve been accosted by homeless people, I don’t mean inconvenienced slightly, I mean grabbed and held. Some places in Toronto look really beautiful, I love the parks, like St. James, not far from my college, or High Park. The architecture and history are wicked cool. I especially like the the financial district buildings like Scotia and TD. I love the food. The Markets are really badass too. But the bad outweighs the good.
TL;DR Smelly. Snobby. Taxis. Overzealous beggars.”
“I lived there, and hated it. Its dirty, expensive, and has too little access to nature and swimmable water.”
“The sewer smell in a large part of toronto.”
EDIT: and litter. It’s worse than other larger cities I’ve visited throughout Canada/US/UK.”
“You’ve said exactly what my wife and I have been thinking for the past year.
Even with our savings, we cannot afford to buy a home in Toronto without having to spend a few arms and legs. Yet, our wonderful premier doesn’t seem to want to do anything about it is nothing short of shameful. 2018 can’t come soon enough.
I don’t know what’s up with the job market. I’ve been struggling for months to find work, but can’t seem to lock anything down. I’ve never been unemployed for this long. It’s so strange.
Don’t even get me started on the transportation situation in Toronto. City council is a joke when it comes to transit planning (sorry, not sorry), and the last few years under Rob Ford and John Tory are an embarrassment.
I, too, cannot wait to move out of Toronto.”
“You hit the nail on the head. I was born/raised in Toronto as well, and once you live away, you can see all of the massive problems the city has. The cost of living is beyond insane, and the the transport network is absolutely atrocious. And nothing ever seems to get better.
I still love visiting, but others can live there. I have my Ph.D. in Engineering and there are better opportunities pretty much everywhere else.”
“Toronto SUCKS WITHOUT.
If your “6.6, a millionaire and very handsome, your toronto experuience will propbly be a good one. For the rest of us. Toronto is a stuck up fake place full materialistic people set on getting that place on ” the bridle path” some day. Its a cheap high here. Toronto does not have mtns, it has hills. Toronto Has lakes instead of oceans. Their is nothing wild about this place, it is a weird mix of boring and parinoied.
Most of Toronto is designed in such a way that if you sit on your front lawn for too long some one will call the cops out of fear. The streets may as well be rolled up at night on account of very poor design.
Toronto is poor by design. Nothing here is fun, if u have time to have fun you are doing it wrong. Toronto is only about work and eat for more energy to get back to work. People wait all your to get a week off, to do they everyone else does after work.
Fuck this city”
I think Toronto is a highly mediocre city, enthralled with itself, devoid of passion, devoid of history, and whose infrastructure is in steep decline. It is a great place to raise kids, and is incredibly tolerant, almost miraculously so, as Pico Iyer has pointed out. But make no mistake: the city is a bore stacked against any of the great cities of the world. It’s still a pleasureless Protestant dullard, obsessed with civics, but it will never make you feel, in any way, the way New York, Paris, Rome or Buenos Aires does. Yes, you can live here happily, but this place will NEVER EVER inspire you.”
“I’ve lived here for 23 years. I hate the city, I hate some of the people, and as soon as I’m done school, I’m moving. Its too expensive to live here, so I end up taking public transit, and that’s complete crap. if you want to do anything in this city, it costs a arm and a leg. I’m not paying 400k for a crap house when I start working.”
“Honestly, if you have a choice of Canadian cities, move to Montreal and visit Toronto once a year for a weekend.
I’m living in Toronto for the second time in my life, and though I’m enjoying it much more this time around, I find that it’s still a cultureless, money-hungry, dirty, angry city. There’s a ton to do, and there are some nice neighborhoods (I live in Leslieville now and really like it), but I find it pales in comparison to Van, and especially Montreal.
That being said; it works for some.”
(Sources: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 )
“Where I live in Toronto there are no natives, despite the city being more diverse and multicultural and having “diversity is our strength” as its slogan. I guess Toronto is hostile towards natives despite claiming it’s more tolerant.
I have a disdain for this city since last year and want to live somewhere outside Canada in the future.”