The Okanagan: lipstick on a pig

The Thompson-Okanagan in British Columbia is one of the most overrated places in the country. Due to its warm summer weather and wineries it has branded itself as “Canada’s California” but is far from it.

We start with Kelowna.

Kelowna is a small city with a population just over 120,000. It’s very white: only 4.5% of the population is Aboriginal, and the visible minority group has risen to 7.6%.

During my time there, overhearing racial slurs was a nearly daily reality. Bumper stickers containing 88 or SS bolts (white supremacist symbols) were abundant and I saw them in traffic every day.

The small number of Aboriginal people appeared non-existent as most of them lived on a reserve outside of town. I don’t recall ever seeing or meeting a single Black Canadian there, although this seems to have marginally improved if the town’s homemade “rap videos” are any indication. The only time I heard of them (visiting) was when they were being threatened, called epithets, left notes to “go home” or muttered about behind their backs.

Crazy Christians

A large segment of the population is religious and old-fashioned. These conservative Christians frown upon being gay, being non-religious, being non-Christian, sex before marriage, and basically any ideas or values formed after the 1950s. According to statistics, over 58% of residents claim a religious affiliation – virtually all Christian. Nearly three-quarters of couples are married.

K-Town summed up

Kelowna can be divided into the following groups: hardcore Christians, the wealthy retired, the elderly, rich youth, Hell’s Angels and other criminal elements; the poor and addicted.

Retired & Old

It’s a popular retirement location: nearly 20% of residents are over 65. Catering to the retired and elderly fills a large portion of the city’s employment and funding as they are now the top demographic.


When I lived there it was well known that the Hell’s Angels “ran the town”. At the time other gangs were trying to muscle in. Nearby my quiet home next to a vineyard, an Asian gang member was arrested with an ear inside his pocket he’d kept as a souvenir. Such was life in “peaceful” Kelowna. Matters remain the same today in the city’s underbelly: whether it’s HA members beating a man to death, ongoing legal issues over clubhouses, cocaine smuggling operations, or more, the status quo continues. (In the early 2010s, Kelowna was among the most dangerous cities listed in Canada, but this appears to have improved in recent years.)


One comment said it best when describing Kelowna as “ostentatious luxury next to stark poverty“. It has become a town for the well-to-do. People with money retire there and live comfortably; their children and grandchildren grow up wealthy, not needing to work and treat others with disdain and contempt.

The Okanagan Living Wage report stated: “To make ends meet, a nuclear family in the Okanagan needs to bring in an annual income of just under $70,000.” The living wage is calculated to be $21.00/hour.

As absurd as it seems, anyone earning under that amount can essentially expect to live in poverty or at least uncomfortably as they struggle to make ends meet and survive. While Kelowna may look fun from afar or on vacation, it’s hell for those who aren’t wealthy. They can expect low-paying jobs, no advancement opportunities, serving the rich, and NOT partaking in any of the fun activities on display – which they can’t afford.

For example, despite the living wage, over 49% of residents had an income lower than $27,000. Nearly half that number had an income of less than $12,000. Only 44% worked a full-time job all year.


The city continues to have terrible drug problems: addicts and the homeless congregating downtown, sleeping in beaches and parks, and committing crimes. It’s regularly the number one drug capital in Canada for heroin and cocaine, and among the top of the list for other drugs. In 2017 it was fourth in all of British Columbia for illicit drug deaths.

Conclusion: Overblown

For all the raving about Kelowna, here is what you get: a small city in the interior with limited employment, absurd living costs, plenty of drugs and crime, a warm summer and a LAKE.

Yes, that’s it. All this hype for two things: a lake and warm summers. The lake is enjoyable, but most people can’t afford to buy or rent a boat to enjoy it. Summer days are hot (which can be terrible in the backlogged, horrendous traffic jams) and the nights are mild, warm, and comfortable – which is great. But that’s it. Its winters are fairly mild, but they still have snow and cold – hardly “California”.

So if you live any place with a relatively mild winter, beside a large lake, you are living the equivalent of K-Town life for a quarter of the cost and hassle. Almost all of Kelowna’s “activities” revolve around the lake, downtown bars and the drug scene (all of which you can find anywhere else). I can say personally that I loathed my time there, and consider its residents among the worst people I’ve ever met, rivaled only by Ottawa.

See: Kelowna Rants (enjoy the videos at the end).

Moving on we come to Vernon, which is about an hour’s drive north from Kelowna.

Vernon is a little dump town with a population of just over 40,000 people. Anecdotally, I can tell you that Vernon actually scares me because not once have I met a normal, well-adjusted person from that place. If ever there was a creepy, little hillbilly town hidden away and filled with inbred rednecks, Vernon is it! Imagine all of the problems of Kelowna, without the one benefit: the lake downtown. The only thing it really has going for it is a nearby ski mountain resort.

Other fun facts according to the last census:

Over 20% of residents are 65 or older. Median age is 47. The last time information was compiled it showed: 4.6% visible minority population; 5.5% Aboriginals; and 90% white. Unsurprisingly, racism is an issue in Vernon too, with lots of proud confederate-flag waving racists. (I’m not sure what confederates in the southern U.S. have to do with a hick town in B.C., but who said it has to make sense?)

Like Kelowna, it is a car town with terrible transit (85% of residents drive); the last stated unemployment rate was nearly 10%; over 17% of families are low-income, and housing is unaffordable for most people (source). I can guarantee things are much worse than is publicly-known, but it’s difficult to get information since it’s a small shit town and it’s rarely compiled.

Drugs and crime continue to spiral. In 2017, small creepy Vernon was listed as one of the top ten most dangerous places in Canada, although this had dropped to 24th by 2018 – still staggering for a city of less than 40,000, compared to the entire country. There were over 300 drug overdoses in 2017 as well. 

At last we come to Penticton:

It’s about an hour’s drive south of Kelowna, and has a population of just over 40,000 people. Over a quarter of its residents are aged 64 or older. We have the same story as before: 9% unemployment rate; over 70% of couples are married; employment is crap: most jobs are low skill and pay minimum wage, farm workers make barely above that. Again: 80% of residents drive; almost 19% are “low-income”, the ‘visible minority’ and Aboriginal populations combined total 11.5%, and 90% of the population is white.

Penticton is a cute little town with some nice beaches by the lake. You can stand on a hill and basically see the entire town from start to finish. Its residents are marginally better than Kelowna and Vernon. However, crime has begun to increase and was the highest in the Okanagan Valley in 2017. It’s listed in the top 20 most dangerous places in Canada, again.

So this is the Okanagan in a nutshell. Sure, there are plenty of other little shit towns sprinkled around, but they’re so small they aren’t worth writing about, and nobody who requires employment or has a family is going to move there due to lack of resources. It’s simply the same people who were born and raised there who stay and will die there. End of.

Canada’s “California”? Hardly (unless you mean the drug trafficking and crime) !

The takeaway:

The Okanagan is white, expensive, and over-hyped. If you move there expect to be broke, struggling, hurting for work, and treated like human trash by the rich scumbags who have retired there. You can’t even enjoy the ‘benefits’ of small city living because the place is chalk full of bikers, various warring gangs, drug trafficking and more. God forbid you aren’t white – you will be a virtual pariah. The same goes for being non-religious (if your social group doesn’t include bikers and drug traffickers). You will basically have the worst of every world and have settled for it all because of a lake. Enjoy!

Edmonton: Rants

I will delve into a post about the shit hole that is Edmonton another day. It’s hockey players most hated city and top five for crime. Some guy even made a blog about it. For today, enjoy the rants:

“Edmonton is a shity place to live. Should be ranked way lower


“Edmonton is literally a cesspool. I’ve lived in a few places and travelled to many, and Edmonton is by far the worst city I’ve ever spent time in. I’m happy for the people who enjoy it here but I am personally counting down until I get to leave this place and move back to the west coast! Safety index, pollution, etc. aside….those things are all lovely but they don’t give you an idea of what living in Edmonton is actually like. This city is the most vile, redneck place you can imagine. Dirty pickup trucks, people wearing baseball hats and sunglasses inside to fancy restaurants, the sun never shines, the roads are falling apart, the entire city is depressing. It’s like something out of a apocalyptic movie. Even Calgary only three hours away is far better than this place. The entire city is built off oil rigs, and you can tell. Horrible, horrible place. I was born here and can’t wait to leave.


“Edmonton is dirty and polluted. You go outside into the park with your kids at the east and you smell the refineries. Since Canada opens the door for everybody, communication is also a huge cluster fuck, starting from ordering a bagel to tech-support. The government itself is filled with crooks and retards, and you will take notice on that when the oil price collapses, cause savings are made on the wrong ends (schools, health care), property taxes are rising and so far I have not seen any relieve from all this. House prices are very high and renting property is no fun either. No oil no future for Alberta. In regards to the people, you have your d-bags, but also very kind people. The only thing that is annoying is the massive amount of different cultures here. I am getting out the door and have a feeling of living in Manila, cause of those fucking Pilipinos. Everybody who is able to hammer a fucking nail straight into the wall is able to immigrate here, no English required. I get pissed off when I have to use hands and feet to fucking communicate. I took English course to improve my communication skills, that shit should be mandatory. I need to get the fuck outta here.


“Edmonton sucks worst place ever,i mean instead on focusing on the important things like health care childcare and so on,we build a arena just to make more money for people who already have more then enough,but at least we pay for a government who is full of crocks and dickheads,who get payd 100.000 a year for trying to find ways to make our lives a citizens even harder.Edmonton should be ashamed


“I live in Edmonton, most expensive place for housing, and finding a place is extremely hard. I have a 500 sq ft apartment for 1000.00 per month (nothing included) 

Food prices can jump as often as the gas prices. Since a lot of the gas comes from here- you would think we would have cheaper gas, not true, actually cheaper toward the east usually and even in Calgary. from 90 cents per litre to 114.00 per litre over night, and this happens weekly. Pot Holes and Non Stop Road Construction- and someone said it before, they are not prepared for population growth. Most expensive place I have even live.


“Edmonton while once being clean affordable and safe is no longer that city. Taxes go up every year to pay for arenas, art galleries, a transit vision that no one will use and will cripple commuting times, a library entity that costs over 50 million a year to run plus its new over the top branches being buit and $500,000 makerspace projects (a fancy cyber cafe/kinko’s) ,city politicians that have no experience and who do not listen to the people, a 1% art levy for all projects + the flag.waving arts council massive salaries that have given taxpayers silver rabbit turds on the side of.the road and $50,000 wall painting of bouncing balls by some overseas artist. ( a ten year old could.have done better)at fitness centers that are black holes for our tax dollars, but not for surrounding communties which use.them.

There are people here living pay check to pay check but council puts art galleries, transit, arenas and their own salaries first.

If you think Edmonton is such a great place you may want to read a bit more river valley is.useless unless you like to eat nuts and defecate in the.bush.

You will also find that a large percentage poiticians do not stay here after retiring and.if.they do they are only part timers. Not a great endorsement for.such a.great place…..


 “Alex C. You may not be talking out of your arse but what is coming out of your mouth or from.your fingers is very close to the same product that would if you were. 

To comment or judge someone elses life, job or actual experiences without “being there in general” would actually make you an awesome candidate to run for Edmontons city council. They are also totally out of touch with what this city and the citizens require to enjoy life.

You may also want to reread my previous post about our mayors etc that run away to warm.places while the rest of us stay and pay for all their legacy projects.

Maybe I should check to see if “Alex C” was previously employed by the City of Edmonton and you now are talking from your soapbox in good old Uruguay.

You have also shown your ignorance(another quality for city council) by using the US of A as a point about living in Edmonton.

I have actually “in general” lived in the US and it is nothing like here. The only places I found close were in the midwest.

Alex you may require some TP to wipe a little something off your lip.


“I have been living here since 1968…The last 12 years, since Mayor Smith left, have been an utter disaster. Mayor Mandel (spendal), gave away our city to developers, we lost the airport for a pie in the sky dream that will never work, our museum for a new legacy project (have a guess what will happen to the land where the old museum sits), and many other things that made our city great! Mayor Iveson has continued the tradition of giving away our land & city to the developers, but added a twist now we have also given the roads to bike lanes, and transit trains that do not work . Same thing as our previous PC government giving away our resources to big oil…Privatizing our provincial parks. Once my last child leaves home ETA 5-6 years, I am out and never returning. I hate how the city has developed and how little is done to help the ordinary citizens who pay the taxes for their schemes and legacy projects. I miss the old Edmonton, the one we loved and grew up with, it is now a city for developers and big business only! Cannot wait to leave!


“I agree. When a mayors (Iverson the I want to be PM) acceptance speech identifies that he wants to help special interest groups I knew right away that common hardworking Edmontonians were in for a huge withdraw of funds from their wallets. 

With property taxes going up 5% every year it directly makes utilities, insurance, consumer goods etc increase as well.City departments role should be to help decrease costs and reduce loss of taxpayers hard earned money.

What I have seen wasted.

:City road cleaning truck being followed around by another city truck with the driver and his passenger laughing and doing the macerana.

: 8 City police and bylaw officers and their cars at speed traps while you cant even get a officer to your house to fingerprint after a breakin.

:City police car out in Devon dropping of his kid for horse riding lessons.

:Edmonton Public Library spending 30 million on salaries and still creating director of directors jobs (exucutive directors) when libraries should be shrinking their staff. Yes EPL is one of the most expensive libraries to run in Canada.

: Edmontons property taxes are higher than Calagaries and Vancouvers.

:Our garbage and recycle costs $43 a month and increases about $5 a month p/year, Calgarys is $14. Yes people that should be added to your property tax so it is transparent for the cost of living here.

:50 miilion more (150 total) for the fancy designed one way bridge by the kinsmen. Who the hell puts in a one way bridge when everyone knows that we needed another way to cross the
river when the high level is blocked or under repair.

: A useless outdoor escalator so the poor lazy city workers can get to the river valley for a nice walk during their 1 hour plus lunches.

:A $600 million rink that no normal taxpayer will ever be able to afford to see the inside of.

:Fitness facilities that are poorly run and are already huge money pits like the libraries.

This town is dying. It only survives because of oil and the oil will never be what it was. Green technology is taking over and I intend to be out of this city as soon as I can sell my house.


“You know how the media is always telling us how great and vibrant Edmonton is? Well they really wouldn’t need to do all this promoting if Edmonton truly was a great city… think about it. 


“It’s all the PC goverment’s fault, they ruined this province.




“Biggest shithole in Canada


“This city is a shithole


Edmonton’s public transit is terrible . Awful . It is a debacle and a disgrace . Many people in Edmonton live in suburban type housing . Regular Mass Transit directly to these areas is very rare . In this one respect Calgary beats Edmonton . For all of Calgary’s negatives it has this one public amenity over Edmonton . All Edmontonians deserve a modern transit system that covers the entire city . IF YOU ARE THINKING OF MOVING TO EDMONTON YOU SHOULD OWN A CAR IF YOU WANT A CAREER / JOB THAT PAYS A LIVING WAGE ($25.00-$30.00 PLUS AN HOUR) . Many guys I grew up with went into the trades . Every single one of them owns a car and drives . In fact I am the only person older than 25 years old that I know ( that isn’t on Welfare or A.I.S.H. [ I , MYSELF , AM ON A.I.S.H. AND ONLY ONE PERSON I’VE EVER MET ON A.I.S.H. HAD A DRIVER’S LICENSE ] ) that doesn’t own their own car and drive . You have to to hold down a decent job .


“not 40 years… 15. Edmonton is 15 years behind in everything.Especially health care. They’ll give a 2yo a punch biopsy for a runny nose.


“Get the fuck out of Edmonton. Totally mismanaged bullshit. Edmonton raping the economy and it’s residence.


“Why are there so many sick children and sick adults in and around Edmonton? – Every time I look at a newspaper or watch the news there is another sick kid we are supposed to feel sorry for… WHY ARE YOU PEOPLE SO SICK?!??!?!?!??!??!?

Why are there so many suicides, murders, stand-offs, sexual assaults, apartment fires for such a small city? 800 000 people is small. The amount of crime in and around Edmonton is staggering..

I hate living here so much.


“Psychologist referral in edmonton = some random idiot calls you and tells you to go to a walk in clinic.


“Sad cause we need them to help us cope with living here


“I have lived in 12 States, and 3 Provinces- By far the most expensive place I have ever lived. Plus the housing is so bad, I have a 450 square foot Apartment, for 1000 per month. Had to wait 1 months to get into it, because there just isn’t housing available. Plus parking costs money, everywhere. The Gross Provincial Funding must come from Parking- average cost at the University is 1.25 cents per 15 minutes- $5.00 per hour. On the streets it’s closer to 3 or 4 dollars per hour. Even in a home where you have to park on the street, you have to buy parking permit to park at your own home, or you will be ticketed. Gas Price fluctuate from 91 cent per litre to 1.14 per litre over night, with little warning. The taxes on Vehicles from other Provinces or the US are so high, in some cases it’s better to buy a nice used car. The Pot holes are big enough to fall into, while in your car, the troglodytes live down there, I can only assume. The average night out for 2 people, at a dive bar, a movie and maybe a cheap dinner- aka nothing fancy, will cost between 200 – 250 dollars.

The cheese here is awful. If you like cheese, don’t live here. It’s crap.

The Provincial “Sin” tax on Alcohol, Tobacco, and Gas, yes, on Gas, because that’s an addition, not something you have to have to get to work, get’s jacked up at the drop of a hat. In the first 6 months I live here, it was raised 4 times.

Reconsider Moving here. The comment on SPorts teams, they had a Lacrosse Team that won the NLL CHampionship 2015- two weeks afterward relocated to Regina because the Owner of Rexall/New Oiler’s Arena refused to have them in the new facility. A lot of politics here to top off the expensive cost of living/low pay rates. Toronto, Vancouver, Even White Horse, Yukon is better compared to this.


“Description of average male in Edmonton:

1) Overweight
2) Drives a truck
3) High school education or less
4) Wears a ball cap
5) Listen to country music
6) No sense of style
7) Uses the words “seen” and “saw” interchangeably
8) Ignorant and loud
9) Smokes

Description of average female in Edmonton:

All of the above expect # 4
In addition:
1) Most likely has two or more children by the age of 24
2) Unmarried


“And they can’t drive for shit. I thought driving in Toronto was bad but Albertan drivers amaze me everyday with stupidity. And some Saskatchewan drivers too. They might be worse.


“preach on brother.


“I’ll add “rampant homophobia” and “douchebag idoltry”.

Lived there for 4 years. Found that if your a guy and your style sense means you dress respectfully, then complete strangers will either give you the ” fuck you” shit eating “Bro, check out that faggot” smile, or drive past you and call you a faggot. Translation: If you aren’t in a pair of jeans, T-shirt and wearing a baseball cap, then their inner homophone will rise to the surface.

Well I guess there is the reasoning of “Protest strong enough and people won’t suspect you’re gay”.

So I suppose Edmonton’s got the highest population of gays in Canada.
Maybe the ” get a trade, get laid, get paid”, “yeah I’m working on my second divorce”, ” I’m better than you because I got me a REAL job” Edmontonians are just angry because there aren’t enough gay bars in the city.


 “Great post, and very true!


“The number of self-entitled ignorant red necks living here is ridiculous! Alberta is the Texas of the US. Wasteful and ignorant province. If you are from a large city and used to people having intellect and class this province is one to avoid.


“have lived in edmonton for about 26 years and everything here is true, the urban sprawl is ridiculous, the new high density style homes are hideous, the city looks like a giant work camp with its cookie cutter homes. Go to the Hamptons or any of the newer subdivisions and its like a crappy US town from the 50s with model A or B homes all along the street. The night life is terrible, Im lucky I have a good group of friends that house parties are just a better way to have fun than a bad nightclub with overpriced smirnoff. We would take weekend trips to vegas and end up spending less than if we balled out as hard in Edmonton. They know people want to leave and thats why they also tax the living hell out of flights leaving the country. Its a joke…

The people are good though, yes there are rednecks, yes there are rig pigs but thats due to the job market. It wasnt even like this 10 years ago but Edmontonians are friendly people for the most part and most of the racists keep to themselves. But for how expensive it is to live in Edmonton if you are an average Canadian, which I am, means basics like groceries are expensive. I traveled to Hawaii and for a place that has to import everything, the prices there were cheaper than in Edmonton. I’ve never seriously considered moving away but I’m now looking at options to live in a smaller city where property taxes aren’t going toward wasteful spending like an arena that will benefit a billionaire. People who think sports stadiums actually help the economy are deluded after all the economic studies done throughout north america that prove the contrary. Don’t forget the horrendous public transport and the fact that the LRT intersects some really busy roads that ends up causing huge traffic jams every day. The lack of planning is what really hurts the city and all these spur of the moment decisions are making Edmonton worse. 

A big issue resides in the fact that a lot of Albertans have never even left the province, let alone the country to actually experience what other cities have to offer. They think the city is amazing because they have nothing to compare it to. It’s just going to be a forever mediocre city filled with a lot of idealistic people.


“Can’t agree with you more. The number of ignorant people living in this city is absurd. I’ve spent most of my living in Toronto and Ottawa and wow was this city a shocker. A year in and I’m ready to go! It’s a different world out here, and one I hope to get away from very soon. I have never encountered so many teen/early 20 something mothers. If you’re from a small town this is most certainly, “Simpleville,” and you’ll like it just fine. Otherwise stay far….far away!


“Moved here 5 years ago with wife and son from Ontario. god I miss it and appreciate it so much after being here this long. Edmonton is meh. not a horrible place but after a year of living here I was done. 4 years later and I feel like i’m going to lose my mind.

Don’t very much like a lot of the people who are from here either. Most of the people I like aren’t even from here. I saw a bumper sticker the other day that was shaped like the province of Alberta and it said “Fuck off. We’re full already”. In a nut shell that describes Albertans, from my experience working and living with them. 

I was told before coming it was more cultured than Calgary. Maybe but I’d still pick Calgary over this place any day. Edmontonians over hype this place with claiming festival city and all that shit. True festivals happen, but there’s still more and better festivals in other cities in Canada. Edmonton has very little going for it. 

As someone’s already said here, it will change you for the worst. I’ve become somewhat more of a bitter person after 5 years here. I’ve tried to find the positive but the few good things it has going isn’t enough. i was hoping it would grow on me after 5 years. It hasn’t. Can’t wait to get out of here next spring. 

Anyone thinking of moving here permanently. You’ll regret it. Plus apparently they’re full already.


 “I lived in Edmonton from 2009-2011, and during that time tried to love it and carve out a happy life there. I was far from happy, though. Even though quality-of-life issues like transit (I lived car-free) obviously affected my happiness, I realized that my greatest unhappiness came from being an “outsider” in a city that does not embrace “outsiders”. Now, the term “outsider” is not exactly the most appropriate as it connotes being born in a place versus not born in a place. The inside/outside culture of Edmonton is far more detrimental; there is an “inside” track for those who think the same, act the same, and do not push outside that box. Everyone not willing to shut up and do the same is an “outsider”.

I live now in a city that has its own problems–what city doesn’t?–but the biggest difference is that here I can be respected for my unique contributions, and the goal is to do my part in my way to continue to make my community a healthy and happy place to live.

Because Edmonton tends toward insulation because it is fairly remote, the hurdle it must jump over completely is this mentality. This type of mentality stifles the kinds of input and ideas that ultimately give a city well-rounded character, depth, and cohesive planning and development. And, unfortunately, this kind of mentality provides the opportunity for corruption and abuse of power; corruption and power trips are never erased completely, but out of all the places I have lived, corruption was by far the worst in Edmonton. (My home city list includes Chicago–notorious for its long history of corruption!–and Edmonton was far worse!) 

There were things I liked about Edmonton, and I encountered really kind people who were frightened to take any step that might make them an “outsider” as well as some truly terrible, awful souls who had been granted power they abused, and in so doing created a very toxic environment.


“I live in sherwood park just outside edmonton. My family moved here from toronto and i’m in grade 10 age 16 and i’m old enough to see edmonton for what it is. Edmonton is in my opinion the most useless run down redneck hockey loving racist pickup truck loving redneck racist white trash overly polluted poorly made extremely boring lackluster hick town full of foul mouth over patriotic redneck white trash pile of gorilla shit to grace gods green earth.

Now I know that sounded childish but thats as true as ot gets.

1 is the people don’t have any good qualities. There a bunch of retarded rednecks who think they are better then the rest of the world. There extremely racist too. I am italian which is Mediterranean so I am kinda darker and I get no respect because of that. Its a joke here. Who the fuck cares about your color? The day before I entered a 7-11 store wearing a scarf colored after the italian flag because of world cup and some white trash redneck fucker gave me the dirtiest look ever. He was about my age and because im cheering for my team that is bad. And then theres the extreme hicks. 

They drive the biggest most pathetic over sized piece of shits on the road. Most rednecks are poor in america but here in edmonton they got lots of $$$$$$ and im not lieing. These people spend anywhere between $80000 to $120000 on their hill billie mobiles. Who would pay that much to modify a vehicle thats made to carry around manure? And those hanging testicles aint that cool either. Usually these trucks also have desiel engines with all emission controls off and straight pipes so they sound like vacuum cleaners and fire out black smoke which is annoying when your walking down the sidewalk and a random truck comes along and fires a shit ton of smoke into your face. Another annoying thing is people who drive by in there vehicles and yell something rude to you. 

Walking around sherwood just isn’t worth it. Biking is even worse. You better have a $1000 bike or prepare for the worst bashing possible. In sherwood park you must ride with caution if you have a budget bike. So the only other way to get around is your car but thats bad too. If you have a small car or a european car your branded as a “queer”. Everyone has a pickup and its dreadful seeing them everywhere. No diversity in cars but people are even less diverse. White trash and thats it. Worst is they are as generic as people get. They all have the same lame ass hair cut. Same lame ass baseball hats. They all wear the same clothes and worst of all though I dont mean to be mean but they all look and act like inbreds. Its either there inbreds or just uneducated and deformed by the refinery. Guys are pretty bad but girls are not much better. Though they are pretty they act all snobby about it. They think there the best. Just like guys here girls are racist too. If your not white then your nothing and i’m not white. Back to girls is there rude and arrogant and only like people who look like these “inbreds”. They think there above the rest of this world and its just not true there actually the lowest form of female. People of both genders annoy the crap out of me just as much as their pickups and country music dose. I dont mean to be rude if I did but im just telling the truth. 

Yesterday I was hanging out with one of my friends and what was there to do? NOTHING!!! No places to go and no activities to do. Went to tim hortons and then my house and thats it. And then theres sports. In edmonton and surrounding areas people seem to like hockey. Its even worse that hockey players say they always got girls on there dicks. Then they go to say if play or like any other sport your a “fag”. And if you dislike hockey then your treated like a dog. Its stupid but its true. Then theres “hockey moms” who think putting their stupidly named big headed son in hickey makes them good people. You boy suffers enough living with you dont force them into hockey. And they also take their husbands pay while he works down in the oil sands and spends it on stupid shit. Its like the even worse redneck version of the already shitty suburban living. 

Then theres housing. Its a joke. All you get are a bunch of 2000 sq ft $700000 generic tract mansions. Every 5th house looks exactly the same. Once I took a walk down the road and found my exact house 5 houses down the street. The only form of character are the old houses which are smaller but nicer. Now not all of edmonton is bad. Some parts have nicer more diverse people, Less of. A hockey following and better vehicles and housing. You got to travel a bit but once you find one of the good parts of edmonton find out where you are and live there. My review of edmonton gives it a 0/10 but some of those good areas dont feel like edmonton but more like calgary get a 7-8 out of 10.


“I am a former Maritimer who currently lives in Calgary. I recently went on a road trip with my fiance to Edmonton, and I have to say – it’s absolutely horrid, and I couldn’t get out of there fast enough.

For a provincial capitol with a reputation for the arts, more liberal ridings than Calgary and a great university (well, compared to U of C anyway) I was expecting a cosmopolitan city with historical character buildings. 

Nope. The first thing I saw was a, outlandish white monster truck heading into Edmonton at breakneck speeds with a Jesus fish stuck to the back. When we stopped for coffee, there was a minivan painted up with angels and large text proclaiming, “JESUS IS COMING BACK!!! ARE YOU READY?!” Apparently Edmonton is ready, as I have never seen so many Jesus-fish in my life – and I live in Calgary. I went there with an open mind, because I’d heard that Edmonton had a better arts scene than Calgary – but it was the most awful city I’ve ever set foot in (and I’m a former flight attendant, so I’ve travelled a lot). 

The entire vibe of Edmonton is just wrong. It’s like it’s stuck in the 80s. I actually saw a woman with a mullet. I thought Calgary was bad for box stores – Edmonton has the box store honed to a fine art. Who needs landscaping when you can sport a giant parking lot?

If I could move anywhere, I’d move to Vancouver or Victoria – they are by far the prettiest cities in Canada with a great social/arts scene. I am not a big fan of Toronto – I found it to be horribly unfriendly and somewhat snobbish, but admittedly I was only there for a week and was attending a classical guitar conference with my fiance (my fiance is the guitar player – I was bored out of my mind, but the classical guitar crowd here in Calgary are just as obnoxious). Plus my experience on the subway was a little terrifying (some dude was arguing with his own reflection, like Gollum from Lord of the Rings. LOL!). 

Though I never really warmed up to Toronto (I’m sure I would given enough time to pursue things I’m interested in – the service in restaurants was always outstanding and ), I’d live there in a heartbeat over Edmonton. It took me years to learn to like Calgary (only after the recent flood and seeing how people pulled together to help one another have I really gotten to love it) and become accustomed to the rampant conservatism here (being a liberal-minded, pro-science, free-thinking atheist vegetarian environmentalist in Alberta is a dangerous thing to be unless you’re smart enough to hide it. LOL!). I used to think Calgary was the worst city in Canada until I visited Edmonton. The people were unfriendly (even when we didn’t tell them we lived in Calgary! LOL!), the drivers were obnoxious and it oozes conservatism and red-neckery. My fiance asked me if I wanted to see some landmark downtown, and I said, “Nope! I’ve seen enough of this fucking place! Get me the HELL out of here!” 

If I could live anywhere in Canada, I would choose Vancouver or Victoria (earthquakes be damned!) for their great arts scene, weather and natural beauty, but you couldn’t pay me enough to live in Edmonton. That city oozes obnoxiousness, new money and conservatism, and though I have wonderful friends that live there, I just can’t take the vibe of that city. Calgary might be a workaholic’s wet dream, and Calgary might be left wanting in terms of arts and culture, but I’d rather live here than in Edmonton, because at least Calgary is trying to move forward (and we have the best mayor in Canada in my opinion). It’s a shame, I expected Edmonton to be a more liberal and artsy city – instead, its landscape is blighted by box stores, jacked-up trucks and a downtown core that looks like it’s seen its peak in 1986. No thanks.


“I agree with everything you said, Ben – except I think you held back a bit. LMAO!


 “Edmonton: The city of bullshit slogans made up to make you feel like a winner.

I lived there from 06 – 10. Hated living there. The funniest thing about these guys who defend the negative points about the city with as much insult and sarcasm as they can, is that they just say the same old tired things, over and over again; parrotting someone else. “F you, lotsa people moving here” “F you, if you don’t like it, why’d you move here?” “F you, our trucks are driven by real men, F your city, faggot”. 

The good points though, the cost of living was great while I was there. The employment was good and the wages were great.

The bad points though, were all that you mention but the biggest one for me, was the open prejudice I found from people there. I took a security gig and I couldn’t believe just how much people actually think that rumors about a job a person does, are true and worse, how it somehow gives them permission to attack a peron’s character by calling that person names, yell at them from accross the street and (believe it or not) trying to run them off the road. I had gotten so many “fuck you” smiles from people (you know when people you don’t know give you a shit eating grin? That’s the fuck you smile) while I was living there. What, just for doing a job to put food on my table? I was even at Mucho Burrito at 100 ave and 109 st (the Save on Foods plaza) and the guy serving the food behind the counter, starts trash talking the security guard who was there, IN the store, talking to someone, with the customer. 

If I was a Star Wars Jedi master, I’d use the force to pick the Rexall center up and then roll it right down Whyte Avenue on a busy Friday night, when all the “Get a trade get laid get paid” douchebags are at the bars. That would solve 90 percent of that city’s problems. 

It’s going to take the city more than riding on the coat tails of hockey, having a transit system that shuts down before midnight, a badass radio station with a stupid slogan like “The station with NO RULES” when they have to follow CRTC regulations and labour laws (what a stupid slogan), the highest murder rate per capita, shitty air quality from the oil sands, and people coming up with poor arguments for defending their city than that, in order to be taken seriously as a city at all.


“Back in Australia now for 2 years and thankfully Edmonton is becoming a distant memory. Its too bad that we will have to return to visit friends and family. Thats not the bad part, its just having to go back to a place that i hate. There was one good thing about living Edmonton for 3 years and that was realising what i had back in Australia was better and that my life didn’t have to be surrounded by heavy industry and shopping malls. I understand that for whatever reason some people love Edmonton, but what i didn’t understand was those people who hate Edmonton, but still choose to live there. There is a lot of them. Its those are the people who need to think outside the box and try something different. It will leave more room for those who actually want to be there. I could never live in a place all my life that i didn’t like. Thats like going to a job that you hate, everyday for the rest of your life. Now that would suck.


“I have lived in Edmonton way too long. I absolutely hate it here and I am currently trying to get the hell out. My reasons?

1. Cops don’t work anymore they let photo radar do the work. You know that obnoxious truck culture you mentioned? Well you should see it now. No demerits for anything just monthly “bills” in the mail that they pay for speeding and it shows. No one does the speed limit anymore and everyone rides your bumper (I have had people actually try to force me off the road). The city police go to the press once a year and say “We don’t know why folks are speeding but we’re gonna crack down on the bad ones”…and then things stay the same. 

I had some friends here for two weeks from another country and they asked me where the police were. All they saw was dangerous drivers and no cops at all. Not one….ever. There were people going down my street one night with bats and axes smashing vehicles. I called 911 and they arrived….three hours later. They let me know there was no one out there and I should not waste their time. 

2. They really did leave the word “planning” out of planning and development. Nothing makes any sense. They build a ring road but use the wrong type of material so they have to tear it up and re-pave. I know someone who walked away from the project because of the constant mistakes. Exits being built backwards so they need to be torn down and re-built (to the tune of a cool million) or they are attached to other roads but not the roads that needed the access. And lets not forget the roads. They cut 2/3 of their road budget for two years and let the roads fall apart. Now there are potholes all over the city that will destroy your vehicle. It’s like a non stop obstacle course. They are filling them with cheap fill, but they are all re-opening again. 

3. Dumb redneck mentality. I’ve seen intelligent people move here and just start acting beer guzzling stupid. I don’t know if it’s something in the water but it seems to be spreading. This probably leads to the truck and balls scenario you mentioned. It hurts my brain being here.

4. Hey lets put our city in debt and ignore the infrastructure so that we can build an arena for hawkee…and lets give all the profits from the area to the oilers owner…and the parking…and not allow other places to hold events to compete. Brilliant….must be the water. 

5. Lack of identity. I spent a few weeks in Calgary this year. Much better than Edmonton and they seem to know where they are going and how they plan to get there. It’s not oil and gas crazy and it really seems to be coming into it’s own. Did I mention I saw police working when I was down there? And it’s clean… 

6. Dirty. Edmonton is a damn dirty disgusting city. It’s river stinks (take a ride on the glorious river boat to get a good up close whiff), the roads are always filthy. It’s buildings are brown….I’m sure they weren’t always that way. Everything that opens here glorious and new is eventually run down an fugly with filth. 

7. Angry people. Everyone here is pissed off…all the time. I came back from the northern states where everyone was warm and friendly and the first thing I witnessed getting back into Alberta was a guy cutting off another guy at a gas pump, getting out of his MANTRUCK and yelling at the old man “you took my goddamn pump”. Welcome home to Alberta were everyone makes a lot of money, is over-entitled and is pissed off. I find myself getting angry being here. Time to move on.”


“Hey Robby, I agree with # 7 of your comment. Everyone does look angry here. I`ve seen better smiles from the cracks of peoples asses. 


“how can you feel special about something anyone in the world can access? You dont even have to move to Alberta to get a job, companies just fly you out there because no one in their right mind wants to live around so many raging morons.

Ft, Mac full of non Albertans because they can actually work and not whine about it.

It must just drive you NUTS the immigrants come and “steal your jobs” right? lol

Just because resource extraction companies haven’t set up shop ALL ACROSS Canada doesn’t mean their isn’t extractable resources all over the place. Your province just happens to be be guinea pig number one. Then its off to Saskatchewan.


 “There is no “burbs” really…. The entire civic layout of the city is a total nightmare. Be prepared to put THOUSANDS of kilometers on your vehicles. Also be prepared to buy a $400 000 vinyl sided nightmare of a house.

If you like being inside basically all year round, and dont mind paying $600 000 for a house (after you add in mortgage interest, not to mention property tax :)) for a plain, over-sized, over priced house with no backyard or privacy, in a community of people who are xenophobic, egomaniacs who place every aspect of their own self-worth on how much they can accumulate within their lifetimes, then you will be in heaven. 

Also if you don’t mind living in a 1 000 000 000 man work camp(thats what edmonton basically is), with terrible weather all year round, none of the communities being walkable, no parks except the river valley. You will notice massive urban sprawl with a rapid transit system that goes to low traffic/no usefull areas of the city. 

If someone asked me to describe the most nightmarish city I could come up with, it would basically be a carbon copy of edmonton.

If your a redneck and love guns, driving for MILES (cause driving on pot-hole riddled roads, with angry, sociopathic drivers is FUN for some weirdos), LOVE spending all year round INSIDE, want to spend FAR MORE MONEY on things than you would in NORMAL parts of the world, and pretend your getting what your paying for, and generally like to live in a dream-like, delusional state, then its probably and OK place to live for you.


“O YA, not to mention no culture, the “festivals” are watered down versions of REAL festivals elsewhere. They only throw SO MANY festivals at you in edmononton, just for the sake of being able to say “we have more than anyone”, it just plays into the perpetual inferiority complex the majority of the people embrace..

ALSO you have the morons that WORK in edmonton, but live in places surrounding edmonton (because edmonton sucks according to even the locals) like fort saskatchewan, spruce grove, st albert, sherwood park, leduc, nisku, which creates NIGHTMARISH COMMUTES.. They dont even treat these roads like the highways they should be treated as.. so much traffic, little to no dual lanes and NO LIGHTS AT NIGHT… 

I really cant believe a place like edmonton exists in the civilized world… it just seems so tremendously backwards, in ever sense of the word.. as do the peoples thought and behavior patterns..

not to mention the “no zero policy” encouraged in schools, so you have generation after generation of idiots with attitudes running around…

its like living in a out-patient insane asylum..



Horrible winters
Terrible sprawl
Drunken idiots everywhere
Looks like the moon in winter
Feels like Hamilton
In the middle of nowhere
No identity
No culture
No thanks!!!!


 “this morning, not having been awake for 20 mins, nor outside for more than 10 mins. i hope in my car and pull out down the alley.. i have this idiot from deadmonton on her bike riding on the sidewalk no less, stop on her bike in front of my car and give me a dirty look and swore at me for my bumper being slightly in the sidewalk as i was awaiting to pull out in traffic..

everyday is like this.. just more idiots who get in your face.. im so sick of the fucking morons here..people just dont even know how to “be” they are so inept.. 

so basically i have an idiot riding her bike on the sidewalk who feels so self important she needs to stop and point out to me that my bumper is in the sidewalk. any normal person could mitigate this by either walking behind the vehicle or by slightly offsetting their path…

deadmontonians = seldom right but never in doubt..


 “Having lived in Edmonton for 5 years and recently escaped to the West Coast, I totally agree with most everything you say. One error to correct: The Ranch went out of business a year or so ago. It was replaced by a restaurant “the beer market” I think it is called. I only know this because we lived in Old Strathcona. That would be my other response. If you are liberal and live in Edmonton, Old Strathcona is the place to go and is a great place to live – the cultural center of the city.


“Came to Edmonton about a year ago. Although I found some nice things here and it is much better in the summer, I agree with 95% of the negative points that were mentioned here.

Nice to read that others had a similar impression of the city. Feels good to know that you are not the only one.


“Edmonton was not named the city of champions because of hockey but because of black friday and what people went throughthat horrible day do your research moron…

I agree with the bad city planning point it is pretty bad..not much to do in Ed and West Ed does get boring after going there a hundred times over since its the only thing to do next to bar hopping.


“I’m originally from Toronto (I lived there almost 30 years). I then lived in Windsor, Ontario (and worked in Detroit) four years before moving to Edmonton. I tried hard to enjoy Edmonton, however during my four years there the only thing that really struck me as special was the Fort. Edmonton is not a city; it’s a big town. It possesses the drawbacks of a large city (sprawl, traffic, crime) with very few of the benefits (culture, entertainment). Likewise it lacks the charm of a small town, but it’s not short on boredom. While the river valley is nice, it pales in comparison to the Rouge River in TO (the world’s largest urban nature reserve) and falls short of TO in terms of bike and walking trails. The festivals are nice, however there are far fewer of them then I would expect for a town of this size. I found that there was so much more to eat, do, and see in Windsor (a town less than ¼ the size). I’ve travelled extensively throughout Canada and I was really surprized by (in a bad way) by Edmonton.

I am surprized you didn’t mention crime. The murder rate in Edmonton tops that of Metropoloitan Toronto (a city nearly five times the size). While I lived there I witnessed muggings, was offered drugs several times, had my car broken into three times – my girlfriend had her car stolen twice (both times it was used as a getaway car in a robbery). I felt safer in Detroit.

Of course it all depends on your living conditions. In Edmonton I was a poor graduate student living a rough neighbourhood. Today I’m a College Prof working in Fort McMurray. I quite like Fort McMurray! I wouldn’t mind leaving but I’m tied to my mortgage – a 40 year old attached home that only cost a half million ;). In any case, I like the people I work with and I have almost nothing to do (directly) with the oil sands. I think part of the reason I like this town is that only 50% of the inhabitants are Albertans; which gives the town a surprizing multicultural feel (Edmonton always struck me as the whitest city on earth). 

Anyway, everyone has their own perspective…but I certainly have no intension of returning to Edmonton (it pains me just to visit). Incidentally, the tumbleweeds are released downtown and roll through the streets promptly at 8:00pm.


 “I’ve only been here 8 months and I’m already depressed and anxious to go home. Driving to work is a nightmare, customer service is terrible, and there’s no privacy. While I have met some nice people, the vast majority of my experience has been negative. I lived in Calgary, Jacksonville FL, North Carolina, and Anchorage and this city is by far the rudest. I compare it to the hicks of Kentucky, actually. I’ve seen women beaten in the streets, children being abused, road rage that involved the entire road! I can’t read minds, PLEASE SIGNAL BEFORE YOU CUT ME OFF! I’m sure Edmontonians will be more than happy to say goodbye if I leave…and I will feel the same way. I can’t WAIT until I can say ‘GOOD RIDDANCE ALBERTA’


No do not leave. You are truly giving them a reality check, for the real life of what it is like living in Edmonton.


Edmonton poisons you. Get out before it changes you negatively.


“Ive lived in my fair share of cites/towns across Canada, even Toronto. No place has left a more bitter taste in my mouth that Edmonton.

Ive found the people to be pretty well off the handle. Ive really never met so many people with psychological/behavioral/emotional problems. No one seems to have any coping skills outside of “gettin fu**in hammered” or cocaine or meth or all three. So many angry, aggressive people. Xenophobia is encouraged. So many internal divisions.. Everyone seems to hate everything, all the time.. 

Hate towards other provinces, hate towards other races hate towards what side of the city you live on, have towards you if your not from Edmonton. It just goes on and on..And so many people with so much ego and attitude that is un-substantiated.. 

So much community disconnect, its like living in a twisted version of high school all over again except with adults with the mentalities of teenagers.. 

Ive had so many negative experiences in Edmonton I have stopped counting.. From going to the bank, to driving , to walking to work in the mornings, to getting food poisoned, fired from jobs with no notice, land lords not returning security deposits, the list goes on and on and on.


“You pretty well, explained what living in Edmonton is all about. I agree that Edmonton is a VERY negative city to be living in. I can say this, because I have been living in Edmonton, for thirty LOOOONNNNNNNGGGGGGGG YAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNN years.


“When thinking of Edmonton hubris comes to mind, and it does not matter if the people are blue collar or white collar. Either been nowhere and know everything, or been a few places and still know everything.

Indeed Edmonton is located in the middle of nowhere and this is reflected in the fact for most international flights one has to feed through Calgary or Vancouver.

The essence of Edmonton, often referred to as Deadmonton, is a very large Fort McMurray, hardly cosmopolitan and very dull on every level; mediocre. 

Now there is talk of a new taxpayer funded hockey arena and the surrounding district (about a billion dollars) that somehow this is going to miraculously revitalise an entire city, especially the downtown “world class”. Some writer/moron even compared it to the Guggenheim Bilbao. People from all over the globe would be making pilgrimage to see the sacred arena district, where all would be overcome and have some sort of hockey and cultural epiphany . . . I nearly pissed myself. 

On the other hand this is pathetic . . . “Build it and they will come”.


 “I’m from Edmonton and I must say this city is really fucking shitty. Everything about it sucks, the weather sucks, the architecture sucks, the night life sucks, the food selection sucks, ed hardy sucks, ppl who wear ed hardy sucks, how most guys in edmonton think theyre gangster sucks, rich kids who come from good families think theyre gangsters sucks, girls who think theyre from hollywood and try to live their life like its an mtv show sucks, how everyone loves to talk shit and act like their shit dont stink sucks, ppl who think listening to rap music makes them hard sucks (rappers are entertainers, theyre the same as justin bieber cept they swear more. They dont move drugs and they dont care what happens to your life, they just want that $15 of yours), guys who take steroids sucks, the city council sucks, guys who act tough and only fight when they outnumber ppl but speak the “no beef” when theyre outnumbered sucks, random stabbings sucks, innocent civilians getting attacked/mugged sucks, the bounce sucks, wannabe rappers sucks, snow removal system sucks, smoking crack sucks, the scenery sucks, how walking at night is not safe sucks, ppl who make decisions based on what a rapper or scarface would do sucks, idolizing scarface sucks (shits a movie not real, the real scarface died of syphilis)

I’ve had it with this city. I left a couple years ago to travel around the world then came back to find this city become even more of a dump. Ya Edmontonians will defend the city but most likely they havent been outside of alberta and see what other cities have to offer. People who cant distinguish rap /mtv/scarface and real life are pathetic. As for the city iself, it just doesnt have that spark, everything is so gloomy,plain, grey and cold.


 “Hello everyone. I have lived in Edmonton for 1 year and 9 months, and am looking forward to my move in 5 days. I have travelled extensively throughout Canada and the USA, and lived in many places incl. Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver, Winnipeg, Calgary, USA and Europe. I came here for work and while here made a great effort to explore Edmonton and surrounding areas. I have been to all the festivals, partied with the rednecks,explored Ukranian heritage, dined in the ethnic restaurants, shopped at the farmers markets, seen all the malls, hiked the river valley, visited small towns and lakes, made friends with educated people and oil workers, locals and foreigners alike. I tried hard to find something about Edmonton to love enough for me to stay but despite all of my exploration and experiences here I have found Edmonton to be lackluster and void of personality and charm. Most cities have a vibe or an energy but Edmonton doesn’t have it, and if it does…it’s so dull you barely feel it.

One thing that really bothered me about this city is the lack of walking communities and connectedness from one community to another. Also, living in Edmonton feels like living in the middle of nowhere. I put a lot of miles on my car and having said that, I will end with a positive note-this province does have good gas prices. 🙂


 “Oh my, its like you read my mind and put all my thoughts of Edmonton, down on paper for me.

I am originally from London, UK but previously lived in Sydney, Australia. I was very disapointed when i arrived in Edmonton. I have been here for nearly two years and have hated most of my time here. The people are nice but the city is shit. I have nothing nice to say about the place and i can’t wait to be on my way again. We are just waiting to for my husbands visa to be approved an then we will be back to Sydney, where the transport is great, there are no box stores, chain restaurants, where the industrial areas are kept to one part of the city (on the outskirts) a place people are proud off living and there is more than a giant mall to visit. Edmonton is a terrible city to live in and will only seems get worse. I can’t wait to get the f%ck out of here.


“I’ve lived in Edmonton for 26 years and agree with almost everything you have to say. For all of the individuals on this website that claim to be a proud citizen you are actually proving many of Ben’s points. Canada is a “freedom of speech” country and he can speak his mind all he wants therefor put your testicles back in your pants and leave them off of your trucks! City of what? Losers and want-to-be Eminem fags.


“I’ve had the great fortune to live in 3 major cities, and 2 different countries in my lifetime. Edmonton is by far the worst. The sad thing is, it could be one of the best. What makes it suck is, like I mentioned earlier, it is full of douchebags (as we’ve seen direct evidence of, by their postings). I think I have only seen 1 person defend this city, with any intelligent arguments.

Teh problem with Edmonton, is that it is full of jobs that require no education, so that is exactly what you get…..a bunch of poorly educated fuckwits, who have no concept of anything outside of themselves and the oilers. If you mention anything outside of their world perception (which lets face it, is nearly everything) you get called a fag (because this is the worst thing in the world apparently).

Edmonton is full of people who have no critical thinking skills, and therefore believe whatever rag media they subscribe to, tells them. They question nothing, and the ones who do are shouted down by the morons who believe the rhetoric by someone who shouts louder.

It’s really like a small sister marryin’ town that grew into a city.

Like I said, it’s sad because it really has the potential to be great, if only someone with any kind of forethought was here to implement it. Unfortunately, as long as the dregs have any sway, we’ll always be a cesspit.


“Wow this comment just adds another point to the original post. Think that the life in AB represents the world. Narrow-minded Albertans.. I also live in Edmonton for a quite awhile looking for an opportunity to get the hell out. Ppl from all the small farm towns can form their own utopia that doesn’t even function thinking that Edmonton is the best place on earth…. Hahaha what a joke…


“I grew up in a developing country and been on 3 continents. Edmonton is THE WORST major city I’ve ever been in! By far! Agree with everything you said. In every country, and in every major city, you have problems. But these problems are compensated by positives. Edmonton doesn’t have any. Conservative people, disgusting looking city and infrastructure and awful ass backward everything. The whole province is like a post apocalyptic wasteland that’s trying its best to re-develop after discovering the cure to whatever caused the apocalypse. It’s like they know that they need to re-build after the doom that caused the city to go to waste, but they have no idea how.


“Get the fuck out of Edmonton. Totally mismanaged bullshit. Edmonton raping the economy and it’s residence.


“This city is a shithole


“Biggest shithole in Canada


“Edmonton is terrible the people are so rude and are all jerks not to mention the Edmonton public school system is a fucking joke


“My name is also Ben. I have lived in Edmonton for a few years now. I’m originally from Ontario. I don’t agree with most of what you listed. I believe Edmonton is a GORGEOUS town with so many AMAZING THINGS to see and do. It is, HOWEVER, populated primarily by the biggest pieces of redneck, right-wing, racist, sexist, cheap, white, middle-aged, male shit. And they all drive giant, spotless, $100,000 trucks, bitch like children about carbon taxes and blame Rachel Notley for the weather. I don’t feel safe letting my family drive on the same roads as these selfish, careless, NEVER signalling morons who will HAPPILY run anyone off the road. It’s really that bad. Just spend 30 seconds on the Whitemud or try one of the roundabouts in the city. Not signaling on a multi-lane roundabout at rush hour is something that idiots and psychopaths do. Edmonton’s got those in spades. Rant over. EDMONTON IS A BEAUTIFUL PLACE IT JUST ALSO HAPPENS TO BE FULL OF THE BIGGEST ASSHOLES IN CANADA. I’m moving to BC as soon as possible. Seriously if God’s going to smite a town, it’ll be this one.


“Edmonton is shit. A poor excuse for a city. I moved here 5 years ago and the past years have been the most difficult of my life. Every winter I feel like blowing my brains out, but I don’t want my parents to know that I died in a shithole Alberta city called Edmonton. They would never forgive me. The people here are dumb and oblivious. If there was ever a modern equivalent to Plato’s cave, Edmonton would be it. Life is too short to suffer in Edmonton. I am so happy I’m leaving. Fuck this place.

I just don’t understand how people say they work 10 or 12 hour days like it’s something to be proud of all the while the city still looks like shit and projects are still behind. LRT metro line to nait is a ….trainwreck, and the walterdale bridge is delayed, again. Let’s put a pile of silver balls by a freeway so people can marvel at the wonders of our city and call it art.

“man every time I see a cyclist by the road I just want to run it over with my truck” – overheard at school.

“I was in millwoods the other day. Holy fuck, its fucking pakistan out there. People were looking at me like wtf. I’m glad I live in Spruce Grove” – my foreman.

Take a risk, it’s the most Edmonton thing you can do.


“I lived here for 2 years now. I am a person who makes his own mind up about things. If others are saying shit about someone or a place I would like to experience it myself before I make my mind up about it. From what I’ve experienced. What is said in this forum is true. People, you are not alone with your thoughts about this place.

and Trevor from Millwoods your comment

“The thing about Edmonton is we’re not trying to compare ourselves to Toronto or Vancouver, Montreal, Halifax, Winnipeg Edmonton is just Edmonton and that’s it we barely feel like we’re are part of Canada at the best of times so when you bash us it just reaffirms it and we’ve learned to embrace it because if people out east hate us we must be doing something right”

maybe you don’t feel like you’re apart of Canada because people here don’t act like Canadians. You act like Spoiled Teenagers who think they’re better than everybody else.

PS, when all you could say about a City is Work(school), Drink and going to a Mall, you know your city is just a bunch of Teenagers.


“Yup, the douchebag population of Edmonton is still high.

Doesn’t change the fact that the people in your city are a bunch of xenophobic, knuckle dragging assholes.

“Get a trade, get laid, get paid, dude! Oh yeah and if some dude’s by himself and he’s dressed better than someone not wearing an Edmonton Oiler’s hockey jersey, then it means they’re a total faggot”.

That’s the mantra that comes out of most of the dumb asses in your city.

Bored in Edmonton? Well just go down to Whyte Ave or the Oil City roadhouse and start a fight with a cop, just for kicks. No cops available? No problem, just fuck with any security guard you want.

The city’s nice and easy to get around in and the rent was amazing but you guys have some serious rat and vermin problems, aka: the people who live there mixed in with the city being the murder capital of Canada.


Plus it takes ten blizzards before your crews even crawl out of bed to plough the streets in winter.


“theres only two types of weather in Edmonton eather really cold or really hot


“Edmonton is Alberta’s shitty asshole


“10 years later and nothings really changed. Edmonton is still lame.

I’ve been here 7 1/2 long years. The money of course, compared to cost of living back home in Toronto.

About 4-5 years ago I saw potential in Edmonton and thought it could be a great city maybe in the next ten years. Nope. It’s a little better due to a hockey arena and more LRT. but it’s still boring. People are still dicks. And I will gladly be leaving this place finally within the year.

Edmonton is nice if you like the quiet boring life. I’ll admit that. It more for the folly, farmers market, cross country skiing type people. I find that stuff dull as hell so definitely not for me. But if you’re that wait than sure, it’s a good place. Or meeting up in the Canadian tire parking lot with your pickup truck buds.Something that’s also very Edmonton.

I’ll be out of here soon enough. All the best Edmonton.


(Unfriendly) Manitoba

We continue our journey through the caker kingdom by taking a look at Manitoba – one of the ‘prairie provinces’.

What does caker-tourism have to say about it?

“Manitoba, Canada is growing through immigration. Over the past 10 years, almost 130,000 people from all over the world have made a new home in the welcoming communities of our prosperous Canadian province.  

Manitoba offers newcomers the opportunity to take advantage of high employment, affordability, and peaceful living in the cities and towns nestled in the natural beauty of Canada’s central province.” 

Well, that sounds promising doesn’t it? And it’s not like the tourism promos ever lie or anything, but why don’t we take a closer look …

There are about 1.2 million people in Manitoba; its capital and only major city is Winnipeg – with a population of slightly over 600,000. Next comes Brandon at under 50,000; then a sprinkling of communities all under 14,000.

As for Winnipeg winters? They are very cold, not much of a surprise for Canada. Anything else?

Manitoba is known throughout the country for a few things: being boring and unappealing; its crime rate, and its racism/race-conflicts.


One third of children in Manitoba live in poverty. A recent report stated:

“The number of Manitoba children and families in poverty, which was pushing a crisis level in 1992, has now become a “chronic nightmare,” ….”

The report says:

“Since 1989, when the House of Commons moved to end child poverty by the year 2000, it has increased by just over 20% (20.3%) in all of Canada. But alarmingly, it has increased by even more (26.1%) in Manitoba.”

“Poor Manitoba families are living in deep poverty, compared to those in all Canada. The poverty gap is the amount needed to reach the poverty line. In Manitoba half of poor two parent families with one child are living $13,061 or more below the poverty line.”

Nearly one in ten children use food banks:

 “More than double (9.5%) in Manitoba used food banks, second only to Newfoundland.”


Manitoba (particularly Winnipeg) regularly tops the list for violent crime in Canada. Currently in 2018, it has the highest homicide rate among the provinces. According to the CBC, violent crime has increased:

“Winnipeg holds the dubious honour of being the violent crime capital of Canada, with a rate of 153.5 violent crimes per 100,000 people, ahead of Thunder Bay with 140.7. Last year’s rate for Winnipeg was 150.”

Winnipeg, Canada’s most violent city:

“… StatsCan found Winnipeg still had the highest violent crime severity index of all cities studied in 2015. That measure is based on the severity of the crimes committed and the punishments that result from them, as well as the population it relates to.”

A report from Statistics Canada in 2014 noted Manitoba had the highest homicide rate among the provinces for the eighth consecutive year.

Living Costs

Despite the small population, poverty and crime rate, the average house price in Winnipeg is now $314,000. As for income, Global reports:

“In Manitoba, the survey shows the median income in most areas of Winnipeg is in the $30,000 to $40,000 range, although some areas have median incomes as low as $16,000, which leaves people living paycheck to paycheck.”

Racial Conflict

Winnipeg has been called out as Canada’s most racist city.  Conflicts between the white and aboriginal populations are too numerous to mention, with each side blaming the other for crime and poverty; combined with mutual distrust and disgust.

But racism isn’t limited to the Indigenous. Racism towards Syrian refugees was an issue before they’d even arrived. Black residents complain about being profiled by police and even pulled over with guns drawn on them, presumed to be criminals or car thieves.

And when it comes to other issues, such as health care – Manitoba ranks at the bottom again.

“Manitoba ranks near the bottom of a report card on the state of Canada’s health care system. The Conference Board of Canada report, which looked at disease rates, obesity, infant mortality and bad habits such as smoking and a sedentary lifestyle, gives Manitoba a “D” grade.”

Its credit rating was downgraded as the deficit continues to grow:

“In the meantime, Moody’s noted, the provincial debt is growing quickly — from 116 per cent of government revenues in 2011 to an estimated 143 per cent this year. In raw numbers, the net debt has gone from $12.5 billion to $20.4 billion in five years.”

This is but a mere glimpse into the abyss that is Manitoba: a perfect storm of poverty, racism, unaffordable housing, crime, gangs, social division and misery. It’s flat, it’s cold, it’s boring. It’s overpriced and miserable … it’s classic cakerland.

O Canada!

See: Rants about Winnipeg

Dear Canada: I hate you

Canada … I hate you. I really, really hate you.

I hate the awful winters which reach arctic temperatures throughout most of the country. I also hate snowshoeing, wind chill and freezing rain.

I hate your “representative” animals the beaver and geese; telling that Canada should choose these when others have bears, lions and eagles.

I hate the maple leaf. God I hate it – a LEAF represents your damn country!

I don’t hate maple syrup (not crazy about it either), but I hate the way you drone on about it as if it were something of significance and not a damn food sauce people use on occasion. It’s also available in plenty of other places! 

I hate hockey, and let’s face it – you love it because it’s the only damn sport you can play here for half the year anyway!

I hate Canada’s smug attitude of superiority to other nations and its American neighbor; historically, globally – Canada has accomplished squat!

I hate how Canadians think they’re so progressive and liberal when they are some of the most racist people on earth, see: First Nations, Inuit, Blacks, immigrants, etc.

I hate Canadians blathering falsely about how “nice” and “friendly” they are when it’s absolutely false, for kinder people, see: Irish, Aussies, Americans

I hate the way Canada claims to be ‘loved internationally’ and liked by all. How is that possible when it’s not even a blip on the radar of the rest of the world? When it’s an international joke? When it could implode and it would be a blurb in tomorrow’s newspaper on page 8!

I hate how you have nothing up north: just poverty, snow, and desolation.

I hate how you brag about being “the most beautiful country on earth”. Really? I think the USA, New Zealand, and countless other nations can compete in terms of topography and landscapes.

I hate how British Columbia calls itself ‘beautiful’ and brags endlessly; what’s the difference between it and Washington or Oregon (besides the tripled cost of living and taxes)?

I hate how Canada brags about its home-born celebrities but doesn’t pause to wonder why they (and all the rich) flee to the USA and never return again.

I hate how there’s nowhere to travel; only the U.S. nearby and who can afford to go there when your currency is always valued lower?

I hate how everything is cheaper in the U.S. but you can’t even order in without tripling the price through shipping costs, local taxes and “import fees”.

I hate your capital – Ottawa – which looks like a Soviet dump; has winters colder than Moscow and is an ugly, dilapidated nest of vipers.

I hate the prairie provinces: flat, empty and full of racist obese white people and Aboriginals living in wastelands.

I hate how Aboriginals need to “get over the past” since it was “so long ago” and yet Quebec forces its language on the entire country and gets to whine endlessly about ‘historic wrongs’. Double standard?

I hate how you make the country bilingual and yet have NO free federal programs or even a goddamn website to help Canadians learn.

I hate how everyone who runs the country comes from the Quebec-Ontario region, which is why it never makes any progress. I hate your nepotism, cronyism, corruption and the cesspool that is the ‘capital region’.

I hate your “Canadian” stuff: Kraft Dinner, The Tragically Hip, Molson beer, twoonie, curling.

I hate Tim Hortons – it’s a substandard coffee chain! Why have you brainwashed yourselves into all the hype? Oh right, because you have nothing else to do, see or live for.

I hate your “royal family” and using the figurehead ‘Queen of Canada’ who doesn’t even reside there.

I hate your ridiculous cost of living; your internet and cell phone providers that are beaten in cost and service by developing nations! 

I hate ignorant Canadians bragging that the country never had slavery, or the KKK, or [insert X] which the country did in fact have.

I hate how no historical figures are celebrated except old, racist, drunken prime ministers. What about Black leaders, Native rebels or women? (Think of all the celebrated ones from the USA.)

I hate your national anthem (because I hate everything else about you).

I hate the CBC which doesn’t even begin to compare to the BBC in terms of coverage and quality programming. I hate all your TV shows: Corner Gas, Schitt’s Creek, REALLY?!

I hate your writers. I didn’t even know any other than two (when I googled) – which speaks volumes.

I hate: your garbage movies, your overrated health care (6 month to 4 year wait times), your ignorant populace, your high levels of poverty, your stunning hypocrisies – to name but a few more things.

I hate your lack of spirit, courage, innovation, or ability to be in any way unique or pioneering.

I hate you Canada … with every fiber of my being. I would rather be cremated and dumped into an outhouse elsewhere than be buried here

Most of all, I hate how difficult you make it to leave with your cost of living, taxation, bureaucracy and making hostages wait years until they escape.

Canada … I really, really hate you.

Thunder Bay: Rants

“We are a small family possibly moving to TB. What areas should we avoid when renting or buying a house? What areas would you recommend? Thanks


“the entire city


Don’t move here all you are going to find are little darlins with snake-like wet skin that drink ethanol from morning til dusk trying to dream the real dream which was robbed of them during the pretend treaty making process. The other thing you will find are the reptiles called the old town wondering around without leashes crapping on everyone and everything that has two ears. Right now the crappers are up in apartment 1, 14 Regent St. Thunder Bay, Ontario atempting to kill or maim psychologically or physically the three good Indians living below them, so turn around and stay in Saskatoon unless you are one of them crappers.


“One piece of advice: don’t move here.


“I moved out in ’94 after 34 years…

DO NOT spend a load of money on house….DICKER!!….I know SK is hot right now….don’t put your SK money into a TB house….TB is the only ON city that has a declining population.. 
TB realtors are living in the 80s…..they play the same ol’ game…just like the pirate car dealers there…do not be fooled by them!! 
I am better in the S.Ward…..stay out of the east end…downtown core….Westfort….parts of Northward (ugh)….Green Acres is good…Victoria Park is good (Chestnut, Walnut)…Riverview is nice….new developments in the country are nice… 
In TB is see a scary trend…..VACANT homes for sale….not a stick of furniture….maybe in 20% of the homes I have seen….AND I CHECK LOTS!!! 
My home in TB sold for 187,500 in late ’94…worth 175 now….my QC home went from 155K to almost 300K (down now along with everyone else’s but not that much) 
TB has a load of good things about it….good luck…have a Sally Ann on me…


Thunder bay sucks unless your retired or native. There is nothing to do and everyone knows everything about eachother since its such a small city. Theres no places to party and everyones right pyscho and whore.. and everyone thinks they can be models here but lemme tell you thats not the case. SO i would say stay where you are.


“Do not move to this hell hole, also known as Blunder Bay. I have resided here for 42 years. The only time I thought it was a nice place to live was when I was young and naive. Limited employment, a high crime rate, a lack of anything substantial to do as well as the extremely high tax rate (2.5X that of Toronto, based on a homes assessed value) makes it an undesirable place to live. The jokers in City Hall insist on wasting the tax payer’s money on expensive and mostly unnecessary projects. Redoing the marina (to make it smaller and less attractive) with a price tag of well over 100 million dollars, a new hospital (over budgeted – maybe double the price), planning a new, multi-million dollar events center (w/limited parking) which no one will use, so on and so forth. This is all passed on to the hard working tax payer’s of the city. When residents sign petitions or request plebiscites, we are laughed at and basically told to shut up. Never mind the lack of proper infrastructure upkeep. An improperly designed sewage treatment plant recently flooded homes/businesses and displaced 100’s of families. A class action lawsuit against the city is on the books now and if the residents win, guess who foots the bill! Don’t even think about going out for a leisurely walk, at any time, unless you’re in a large group or carry a weapon! Population wise, approximately 22% are bogies. They flock to Blunder Bay to drink, do drugs, rob, steal, assault, murder, all while never contributing to society. The only thing they are good at is breeding – produce kids like rabbits to live off the rich’s of the city. The only reason I’m still here is my transfer has not come through. I would gladly take a loss on my home and/or possessions to leave this cesspool. I could write a book! Do not take my word of it – do your own research and make it thorough. If you don’t and you choose to move here, you will likely regret it! Best of luck!


“the poster disapoitned is the reason we are taking over this town. if you are NATIVE then we welcome you here!!! whites keep off our land.


“lol Hardly taking over! Epic fail if you think you’re taking over as the jails are over crowded and there is more native on Native Crime. What was that in the last 5 days? Two Native Murders killed by two different Natives. As the Fort William Band is working hard in business working with the general population of Thunder Bay, You lil’ bastards are making them look bad!


“Thunder Bay really, really sucks. I moved there to work in a lab- most of the people that I worked with didn’t know the first thing about chemistry (seriously). Turns out they were all friends- and also back-stabbing, two-faced, lying, sabotaging, jerks. Avoid this place like the plague it is.


“Thunder Bay has gone down hill…all they do is spend money building when we have plaenty of vacant buildings which could use refurbishing.
Years ago when I was young and it was Port Arthur & Fort William it used to be real nice & safe..a cop on the beat all the time..they would get to know the people in their area..I loved it then..left so many times..why I came back..heaven only knows


“Thunder Bay is just a huge reserve now.
Come here, pop out a few FAS babies, live of the guv-mint titte.
Guess who pays?


 “Yea…STAY AWAY. This town is pathetic! Cold as f*ck, and the transit sucks.

Can’t walk 5 blocks without some skid asking for a smoke.
No jobs, useless cops, oxy-zombies everywhere and high rent costs…
I’m looking for a way out!


“You know what makes this city suck? All the racist b***ards, that’s why you shouldn’t move here. All I hear and read is f***ing Indian this, f***ing Indian that. I like to inform everyone that I’m native and probably have more education than most of you, I’ve worked with the homeless, the drunks, the drug addicts and do you know they funny thing, most were white. But I didn’t judge, I tried to help, I fed them I gave them clothes I helped them get into detox. Get off your racist a**es and help someone, we all bleed red and we all have problems, be f***ing human beings and stop the hating. Dumb a**es.


“Open your eyes. Go walk around May and Victoria for half an hour and see.

It’s not that we’re a bunch of racists who hate natives… It’s the fact that we have a high concentration of the worst elements of reserve life thriving and growing in our downtown cores. 
A person like you who is educated and native isn’t part of the problem.
It’s your 94 cousins all drinking lysol in the back alley and robbing Macs stores that’s the problem.  
If I got free schooling like you did, I’d take advantage too. I don’t know why more don’t do it.


 “Lived in T Bay for a few yrs. Glad I moved. It’s a gross city. It’s the Detroit of Canada. Honestly. Horrible drivers. Big city attitudes. People passing out drunk outside your bathroom window at 4 in the morning. True story. Constantly being asked for smokes. Crack heads everywhere. I don’t even like going there to visit.


“Yeah, you’re right, we are born a bunch of stinkin’ crackah racists.

Or perhaps this profiling is true 90% of the time? What do you think?
Was I born racist, or did I learn to be this way based on the FACTS?
Don’t want to hear about “f***ing Indians”?, it’s simple….
Stop them from acting like a Bogan. And yes, there are a lot of them.
Until then, I will continue to be racist, since it has done me well.


 “I would never suggest anyone move to Thunder Bay, place is a dump! Drunk natives walking around everywhere, ruining the city! And SOME Police Officers are just power tripping disrespectful pieces of crap who don’t deserve a badge, or they cheat on there wife, and ruin a family! Eh Bob or Robert N…?


“I live in tbay and it’s not a great place! I am currently going to lake head but may transfer out to somewhere else next year! The people generally are very backstabbing and think they are worth more than they are! Simply put its not a good place to invest. There is a lack of leadership in the city! It needs a change and I would advise to avoid at all costs!


“Thunder Bay is really bad now, it’s ok if you live in current river Thunder Bay North but avoid all other areas


“I believe you, as I have education BUT no one in TBay considers natives period. It is a racist town, and most addicts are white. Too proud to admit it, but love to put the minorities down them ghosts :P. I keep up with the news and more of these ghosts are being exposed on the news great job. Even for the simple jobs, how many natives you see employed? More immigrants migrating here taking jobs from the CaucASIANS, that’s good! I couldn’t even tell one white from the other because they all have the same face.


“DO NOT MOVE HERE for ANY reason.


“I agree never move here. Horrible town and power tripping police! Aint that right Mr. R Neill.. biggest arse on the force!

Natives drunk passed out all over the city. The youth here are such wanna be followers.




Thunder Bay is a horrible city. I live here and it sucks. The people are nasty small mined idiots. I hate, hate, hate Thunder BAy
BTW- I’ve lived ALL over the world, big cities and small. So my assessment of this city is just. It’s a racist (Aboriginal child having his hair chopped off-google it), homophobic (gay bashing google it) town. Stay a day or two, or just keep driving.


“I grew up in Southern Ontario, and travelled with the family across Canada —I have had some great experiences travelling and seeing this great country of ours. In July of 2007 I married my hubby who had taken a job in Thunder Bay. Lets just say in my time here in Thunder Bay I have hated 85% of my time here and count the days and weeks we have left in this city. I’ve never meet so many complainers in my life………people here blame everything on people from Toronto its hilarious. They complain that all they’re mills are shutting down and Toronto isn’t helping them, Even though you wonder if these places in T-Bay couldn’t stay with the times and come up with plans before the need for paper supplies deminished or realized how many people really are running to stores for snowmobiles, how many snowmobiles does this country need???? Wonder why everyone is losing jobs here, how about creating jobs that are up to date or invent some shit to make jobs??? Then the race war between Natives and “Whites” Its embarrassing (I’m actually Metis) and how the local Chronicle Journal posts hate letters from both sides in their Letters to the editor every week to fuel this race war….pathetic!! 

I will only look back in my experience living in this city as the city limits were beautiful with nature and the fishing was excellent and the neighbours I had were lovely but this City is living in the dark ages and they hate everyone outside of Thunder Bay and are a bunch of blamers, like I said this city is pathetic!


“Sure, Thunder bay is great if you work at the hospital, or are a schoolteacher with June July and August as your best reasons for becoming one. But the city sucks donkey balls. Private Industry is dead, except for the couple of construction companies the city continually feed. The town was cut up like an apple pie 50 years ago, and the reason no business comes here is because of the monopoly attitude. City Hall even LIED about the MILLIONS they BORROWED to fix up the old fogeys’ home, then did an abrupt about-face, gave the homes to the province, and took that BORROWED TAXPAYER MONEY and GAVE it to some favorite cronies. There’s a law called Criminal False Prospectus, but the local fraud cops are in the pocket of City Hall. 

Sure, the wilderness is nice, but don’t try to actually purchase a TINY piece for yourself because it’s simply not allowed. Besides, who likes being harrassed by the OPP and MNR when you’re out fishing?  

Yup. A great place for civil servants, their cronies and natives. Everyone else had best leave, ASAP, if you want some sort of future for yourself. Those are my plans, to sell out and split, but hey, did you know that you can’t even GIVE AWAY an amethyst mine around here?


 “Stuck in Thunder Bay – it was the city or my marriage (husband’s family is here). I think I may actually be clinically depressed. Thank God for Grand Marais, Duluth, Minneapolis, and our airport.


“Well, I spent the first 20 years of my life then moved away for school, and I gotta say, after seeing the entire country, and a good chunk of this wonderful planet we call home, I can honestly say that Thunder Bay blows. And I’m serious as can be. Unfortunately, my parents are still there so I am forced to make my way there once a year, and I dread my two weeks there. For all the people who defend this city, you’re obviously fallen of your rocker.

I laughed at the clean air comments….cuz the smell of shit coming from the paper mill on a hot summer day is all so pleasant…pleasant enough that when you go to Old Fort William trading post, you know the biggest tourist attraction of the city, you can smell the nice pleasant smell of rotting shit. And when was the last time you let your children swim in boulevard lake? And hey, do you dare to walk downtown port arthur at night? No. Or how about taking a nice stroll down May street or Simpson street, at any time of the day? No. Wait, wait, let’s all go to county park where it’s just a massive neighborhood of violent crimes, drugs and poverty. Hmm, that won’t work either. Should we make our way to the community auditiorium for a decent concert…oh shoot they don’t get any. Well, I guess we can always go check out all the neat little shops/boutiques/cafes/nice restaurants….uhh, what? Their aren’t any? My bad. Hey about naming one decent/pub/bar/nightclub in this city…oops, can’t do that either. 

Do any of you rememeber the hype in ’94 when it was announced that Thunder Bay was getting the real canadian superstore? Yes, fellow readers of this blog, there was actually a ceremony for the opening of this momentus occasion. And getting the walmart around the same time was like winning the bid for the olympics..only with less economic impact, less low paying jobs, and more reasons for city council to destroy the core of the city. Also, do any of you Thunder Bayites remember the plan to build the expressway all the way out near Kakebeka, then the city ran out of money, and it ended at golf links road? For about 15 years of my life growing up, there was this giant clearing at the end of the harbour expressway(which by the way, it’s only about 3 km’s long LOL) and about 50 feet of pavement just left there to wither away like the Fort William Gardens. And someone here mentioned the housing prices…well there’s only one reason, and one reason only for that….no money. If you all want cheap housing where you have a shot at a livable income, go to Windsor, I almost did, but I ended up in Oshawa where I currently reside. And as for Toronto and area not having nature…any of you heard of Niagara Falls? One of the natural wonders of the world. Hell, I have a cottage in havlock, located in the best known, most famous cottaging/recreational area on the planet…the muskokas. Oh but I’m sure Ouimet canyon beats Georgian bay right? Located 50 minutes from Toronto. Skiing in Thunder Bay? Ya sure. Let’s go to Loch Lohmond, or Big Thunder and have the crap spewing from the paper mill blown right in our faces. And of course Mt Baldy, with what, 7 runs? Sorry, I’d much rather go to Collingwood(45 minutes from Toronto) where it actually is world class skiing and resorts, as opposed to go to a ski hill that had the World Nordic championships, and couldn’t do Giant Slalom or super G. 

You Tbay people can all rant about nature…but you have obviously not see the rest of the most beautiful country on the planet that we call home. Thunder Bay is a cess pool of filth, crime, and unemployment. The roads are shit, the transit, well tbay transit eh…I’ve seen better trasnsit in places like Regina, Swift Current, North Bay and Saint John New Brunswick. And I have yet to visit a city in my life that has more boarded up schools. Like crap man, my school, black bay road public school, has spent 15 years collecting dust. It really says alot of about a city when I can say that growing up in Current River, I lived in the best part of the city. Which ain’t saying much cuz I lived a 10 minute walk from one of the largest psychiatric facilities in the country…which speaking of which, my high school was located right across the stret from. 

Sorry to rant like this, but hopefully people here thinking of going to visit/move thunder bay…you’d best keep going to Kenora, Dryden or Atikokan…this way you can avoid getting your head kicked in by a gang of natives, or a gang of white folk who think your native, and also to see real nature, and not some random group of trees that we call a bush…anyone else notice that Ouimet canyone is starting to look like a dump from all the garbage thrown down there? Ok, sorry I’ll stop now….after I mention the fact that Thunder Bay has the second highest percentage of people in Ontario living offof welfare…google it ;). How’s that for employment prospects?


 “Avoid Thunder Bay unless you’re touring. The whole city is run on nepotism and cronyism, the city council and mayor haven’t a clue on how to run the city, the economy is in the toilet, and frankly, these are all reasons why people want to move out of the city. 

I’ve lived here all my life, and I can tell you that as a 26-year old with a background in computer animation and an English degree, there is NOTHING here for me. The people with the money don’t want to see new industries come in and create competition and new jobs, the jobs that are here are for those who graduate high school and don’t want to do anything else to further their education, and frankly, the paper mill is whistling past the graveyard, employing a small fraction of what it once could.  

It’s sad, but when you realize how incredibly stubborn and stupid the city has been in terms of bringing in new jobs or improvements, you honestly get angry and stop caring, altogether. Why? Because people in the city have been doing it for years. Soon, the city will turn into another Elliot Lake or a gigantic reserve for the First Nations. Everyone who graduates from the medical school here wants to go somewhere else for work because of the aging population and political games. Same with the university and college. What good is staying when all the answers you get while trying to get a job involve call centres, nursing and truck driving?


 “I was born and raised in Thunder Bay. My sister and me moved to Vancouver. We were appalled at the lack of customer service, smiles and thank you’s. It was almost painful!!! These people hate it here and don’t mind showing it. I’ve moved back due to some unfortunate events and am counting the days till I leave. Don’t get me wrong, it’s really beautiful..but, if you’re not an outdoorsy type there is little here. A cultural wasteland comes to mind. The locals like it the same(change is a scary thing!)..Tim Hortons and every restaurant featuring the same menu seems to do well. In general, the people here don’t mind going for their groceries wearing their breakfast on their clothes. Racism, homophobia and sexism is the norm. Which equals people like me running very quickly in the opposite direction. Let the giant sleep.


“If you are wondering why many of the locals are down on their town there is: the lack of jobs unless you have connections or luck, some of the stupidest most myopic car driver’s in the country along with badly synchronized lights that makes for needless stop-and-go traffic, mediocre city transit that has limited evening times and ends around midnight, needless urban sprawl that goes beyond the large city limits. There always seems to be the need to tear down much of the old to build something new (with no guarantees on workmanship and costs way over estimates). The fix is also in on many things from the vote for the city name (purposely splitting the vote by offering ‘Lakehead’, ‘The Lakehead’, and ‘Thunder Bay) to city council asking for citizen opinion on big projects when it already has it’s mind made up to if, how big, and where they will be, to local contractors being the tail that wags the dog on city building fixing and building projects. 

The isolation of the city doesn’t help – you are a good 7 hour drive from anywhere bigger (Minneapolis and Winnipeg). The only close city of around the same size is Duluth/Superior.  

As far as the comment by IRK wondering why people who are “stuck” here don’t leave. The cost of living isn’t too high (that may change if the local gov’t keeps increasing taxes for it’s many recent white elephant projects), they may still have friends and family here or other commitments, and who is going to leave unless they have a better job lined up elsewhere without a skyrocketing cost to their housing. The philosophy being the devil you know is better than the one you don’t even if you are working several McJobs (which IRK probably isn’t – if you have a regular secure good paying job anywhere can be good).  

The recent “boom” mentioned by IRK doesn’t help anyone who has been here for a while and doesn’t have very recent education and experience in the precise field needed. Most of the “boom” only helped those outside of the city getting a job here and only slightly indirectly helped a few here.


“Having lived all over Canada and multiple places overseas I can say with confidence that Thunder Bay is indeed a shit hole. The author of this article shouldn’t be criticized, he manage to point out a few nice points about this place, which is not an easy task. The nature surrounding Thunder Bay is fantastic, the city itself is shit. 

Living in Thunder Bay is kind of like living in some sort of groundhog-day-esque, 1980’s surrealist nightmare complete with mullets, hair band classic rock, Reganistic attitudes towards anything progressive but without any of the jobs that came with the 80’s.  

Most trucks are jacked up higher than their drivers IQ’s. Vomiting spaghetti on a map would probably have been a more sensible and aesthetically pleasing approach to city planning. Locals are not welcoming unless you have wallowed in the same gene puddle together for most of your life. Plus it snowed into May this year, which is some whole new level of bullshit anywhere south of the 60th parallel.  

I cannot wait to be done work here and get the hell out. I have been here off and on for about 5 years, having spent the last 2 years here in a row and can say with the utmost confidence that when I pack up and leave this little backwards frozen-turd-nugget of a town I will never return. Sorry for the negativity but other than nice nature T-Bay has no redeeming qualities whatsoever!



Ottawa: RANTS

Want to hear what people think of the nation’s capital Ottawa? Unlike the false tourism advertising, here’s a taste of the TRUTH – from people who have lived it!

“As an outsider to this town and now living here, working and attending school, Ottawa SUCKS. Badly. The people are grumpy, uptight, self-centered, and cheap. The drivers are idiots and can’t shoulder check let alone multi-task, i.e. check mirrors AND drive at the same time. 40 km an hour everywhere they drive?! Or 140 on the highway about to plow into you should you decide to signal and try to change lanes, then finger you. The food sucks here, public establishments are sub-par for the most part, and the flat characterless nature of the town speaks volumes. Wonder why there are no photos of Ottawa other than that of parliament and the Canal in brochures and on websites? Because to show suburbia on a flat plain with huge power lines running through them with concrete government drab buildings and big box store plazas would be a tourism mistake. This town needs a serious kickstart and a massive injection of culture. This town bites.”


“I have lived here all my life and it’s the same shithole. OC Transpo are a bunch of fucking goofs. Shitty Nightlife. Dirty Cops. Bad Food. The drivers are bad too the second a flake of snow hits the ground its like these idiots forget how to drive. The Hockey Team is absolute shit and I hate their fans. Overall Ottawa is not a city to be proud of.”


“OMG I can’t believe it, it’s so nice to see that my boyfriend and I are not alone in in thinking that this is a bloody nightmare of a city where everybody goes around acting like it’s just perfectly normal to behave like dicks.

There are two acceptable activities in this area, Working is one, driving to work is the other. Nobody here knows how to live let alone have fun. Their apartment buildings look like hell holes so we have to pay a fortune in tax just to live in Hull because we can’t afford to pay to live like executives and in Ottawa the only alternative is to live in a building that looks like an episode of CSI. 

Every single day I watch people in black SUV’s and BMW’s run red lights and break the speed limit and never ever get a ticket, I’ve never seen an expensive care pulled over here, only crappy cars. 

People here are also weird beyond belief, whenever I meet somebody normal it turns out they’re from out of town. I wake up every morning and by the end of every day I wonder a couple of things like “am I dreaming?” “Why am I still living here?” and “When is Will Smith gonna show up and tell me all these people are androids?”

I am still here because I am learning French. As soon as I am bilingual You will be able to see the peeled rubber from my car from here till Montreal on the 417 from space.”


“You are all right, cultureless, boring, boring lazy civil servants who make up the bulk of the population, with no drive other than to plod along in a simpleton way who hate their lives and their worthless jobs…people cannot drive to save their lives, there is no where decent to shop, unless you like plain drab atire. What has this city got going for it? Nothing, its just a big hillbillie country town. I will be returning home as soon as my training is complete.”


“Ya, I’m with all of you. I’m from Toronto and got suckered into moving here from my Montreal husband (naturally opposed to Toronto) when we met because there were no IT jobs in London (Ont.). Now? All the IT jobs are relocated to T.O. and guess what… he is applying to them and I cannot wait to go home. Finally. Out of the city of the fucking huge assholes into the normalcy of real life. I hate this goddamned city more than any one of you here. If a hurricane swept through here after we leave, hell no I would not come here to volunteer to rebuild – I would just buy a plane ticket to New Orleans and help there instead.”


“I have lived in Ottawa on and off for years, having traveled for quite some time away from here. It is safe to say most people really do suck here. Very lazy civil servants, corrupt government officials who wire business to their friends and anyone willing to grease their palms (even though this is directly against government procurement policy), and very boring people. They should carpet bomb the place!”


“Well it actually kind of depresses me and encourages me all at once to read the comments that have been posted here. It is a confirmation that other people actually think this place sucks as much as I it is a relief maybe I am not going crazy after all. I find it so unfriendly here…The depressing part is I just can’t seem to figure out how to leave unless I just cash my pension, sell the house and get the hell out of here. Quite a risk. I don’t think I can stand another cold frozen hell of a winter and all I fantasize about is Arizona…sigh…”


“I totally agree with all the people who hate this city. It is pure garbage. The city has no culture, just the typical government BS. It seems like everyone in Ottawa has a sense of entitlement from their cushy low-work and high-pay government job. No one in this town has manners, no one says thank you, you get poor to no service everywhere. Aggressive homeless people are everywhere in the city center. It’s a closed minded city with a serious case of Toronto-envy.”


“All these Ottawans call people from Toronto snobs. People from Toronto aren’t snobs, they’re realists. Toronto is very much a city where hard work pays off. Ottawa is a city where entitlement reigns.”


“I am from Vancouver and I had an internship placed in Ottawa for 4 months during the winter months. All aspects of the city and the general feeling of the place really really sucked to the point where it is bad for your mental health. People and the place there are totally weird and out of touch. Food in the food courts taste worse than dog food. Downtown areas totally empty when the weather gets really cold, and if you are lucky you’ll see very sparse number of people within a distance near malls. Nearly all the buildings look archaic, greyish, senseless and totally boring for your eyes. The entire city looks like a military compound, ok im exaggerating a bit but you get the idea…”


“A While ago we moved from Montreal, you know where it’s fun, to Ottawa…

Few words needed to describe the place.. 
All Work, No Fun, Go at Red Lights Stop at Green Lights…
Thats about it. lol 
overall it really sucks.. No Subway, Zoo or amusement park >.>”


“Is Ottawa boring? It all depends.

Here are my own personal observations: 
I’ve met some people here that absolutely love it.
In some cases, the salary can make the difference between borderline suicidal boredom or fantastic fun. 

Socially, Ottawa feels like a big village and at 1 million metro population that’s quite odd. Many outsiders have a hard time integrating and making friends here.

If you’re standing at a bus stop, or anywhere else for that matter, and start a conversation, they look at you like you’re an alien from outerspace. They’re so aloof, cautious and xenophobic in this city. Funny thing is every time someone speaks to me…well…they’re not from here. 

Everyone I knew that wasn’t from Ottawa left and never came back. 

My biggest pet peeve about Ottawa? No one moves. Is it so difficult to move over to the right and/or say “excuse me”?! 

People here are also afraid of any type of change to their precious Ottawa. Not-in-my-backyard mentality prevails here. Just try to build a bridge or get a subway going! They’re 20 years behind as far as a subway goes! When Montreal and Toronto hit the 1 million population mark, their subway was built, lit and ready to haul ass. Ottawa hasn’t dug a hole. 2010 around the corner and nothing. 

But, they have the Transitway! Big #$!@$# deal! It only takes 2 centimeters of snow to paralyze their stupid bus system. Some routes take forever to get to the one place you need to go. Sometimes you’re better off walking. In many cases, you’ll get there by car in 1/5th the time. So what’s the point to public transportation?! To add insult to injury, then there are those moon base alpha bus stations in the middle of nowhere out in a field with access to nowhere. Whose the genius that thought of that?! 

Ottawa also has horrible urban planning.

Ottawa also has that flatest skyline I’ve ever seen for a city its size. God forbid they build a real skyscraper downtown and pass that tower up on Parliament Hill. Oh-my-god, I remember when they wanted to build the pedestrian overpass over the canal. Damn! You’d thought they were going to nuke the city or something. People here panic if a squirrels farts. They’re so conversative!! Drives me nuts. No vision. Any change and they go into a seizure. 

Their downtown is not really a downtown. It’s just a bunch of government offices. Where’s private sector?! Hardly any diversity at all. Downtown is dead after 5. Heck, downtown is dead, period. 

Ottawa is such a repressive city. I’ve never seen anything like it. 

Ottawa also lacks ethnic diversity. It’s very much “white”. By the way, I’m caucasian but the way I’m treated here it’s like I’m from planet Zoltar. Ottawa has 14% (or less) ethnic diversity. Ottawa needs ethnic diversity to spice it up, give it a soul and a vibe.

So, is Ottawa boring? I find Ottawa is more repressive than boring. Other cities won’t make you feel alienated or feel like an outsider like Ottawa does. 

You can have fun in Ottawa but the people here lack spontaneity. And, I’m not talking about going out to bars and getting hammered. No, I’m talking about the ease of making friends, the vibe of the city, it’s openess, the people, the economy and diversity.

Again, I think it’s more repressive than boring. Ottawa has a closed economy and it’s a government town. 

If someone is not happy here, the bad news is it won’t change overnight.

If someone has the opportunity (and $$$$) to leave, they should leave because Ottawa will still be Ottawa tomorrow, the next day and the next day and the next…etc.”


“ottawa suks balls, most people smoke weed from parking lot to parking lot”



‘OC Transpo are a bunch of fucking goofs. Shitty Nightlife. Dirty Cops. Bad Food. The drivers are bad too the second a flake of snow hits the ground its like these idiots forget how to drive. The Hockey Team is absolute shit and I hate their fans. Overall Ottawa is not a city to be proud of.’



“How about a motto for Ottawa … 🙂

Ottawa-The Waiting Room of Life.”


“Ottawa – the place where hope goes to die.”


“In response to: “…Maybe the problem isn’t Ottawa, it’s people who can’t learn to set aside their sad, deeply embedded negativity and see that for all its flaws, Ottawa, like every other Canadian city, is a wonderful and vibrant place….”

No, see, its people like you who are the sad negative types who spout veiled hostility any time someone has a different opinion than you. 

Ottawa has its good qualities, fair enough. On the other hand, this city obviously has legitimate problems as well, which many users’ comments have repeatedly expressed. Dismissing those commenting about these issues as being jaded and having “deeply embedded negativity” is in itself negative in nature and self-defeating. Why shouldn’t people post their opinions, whether they’re in favor of the way things currently are or not? God forbid anyone actually read any of the aforementioned concerns of the public and work towards improving the situation… 

You may say nobody likes a shitty attitude, but nobody likes a pretentious one either.”


“While society may be going up or down depending on whether you live in North America or China & India, relative to other cities in Canada Ottawa truly does suck on a galactic black hole scale.

I’ve been here for only a few weeks and have a few weeks left in my short term contract (thank god!) and can’t wait to get back to the lovely Vancouver rain! 

There are real problems in this city that are frustratingly unnecessary, but because this city is predominately filled with polisci types that don’t actually know how to do anything, but whose primarly skill is superficially getting along and passive-aggressivly attacking anyone raising issues or offering solutions, nothing will get done.

In case you don’t know, here are the obvious problems that are relatively easy to solve or unneccesary. 

* Horrible transit (Never have a seen so many resources squandered so badly to provide such bad service for so few people) 

* Why the hell do you all smoke? And why glare at me or complain if I quietly re-seat myself on a patio to escape your weak-willed filthy habit. 

* Lack of short-term accommodation/crappy hotels.
I’m not staying and don’t want to stay at the damn pretentious Chateau Laurier… and a $150 for a Travelodge with a lumpy bed?! 

* Horrible/dangerous drivers 

* Weird people. Aloof wait staff and cashiers that like to mumble in a monotone and are quick to get agitated by even friendly requests for information.”


“OMG so true, and it sounds like you haven’t even come in contact with the colorful folk of King Edward at St Patrick. LOL, if you’re only here for a few more weeks I would strongly suggest staying away from Hull, the facade of exquisite landscaping hiding behind it virtually unimaginable levels of ignorance; a large population witch seem to believe that it is perfectly normal to have 12+ hour ER wait times and no family doctors, and they pay thousands more a year in tax to receive these lousy public services. It is a language obsessed failure, leeching off of English Canada’s capital and somehow manages to also be an insult to the rest of Quebec by not even celebrating June 24’th or being able to make a decent poutine! The single, solitary benefit of Gatineau is affordable rent for apartments that don’t look like they should be condemned, but then again, Ottawa can be blamed for not being able to provide affordable rentals. It should not cost the same to rent a clean apartment that doesn’t smell like a puppy mill or have gun shot holes in the foyer as it does to mortgage a half million dollar estate.”


“I moved to Ottawa from the crappiest city in Canada (aside from Winnipeg)- windsor, ON. Reason: jobs in my field. And let me tell you, I had to move after two years and its miracle I even lasted that long. I get the whole big city mentality that comes when people mistakenly believe they are the best citizens ever because they live in the capital, but its gotten downright scary. I worked in a shelter where addicts were dumped there by the mental hospital who spend your taxdollars on locking up people who have mental illness and addiction issues and then dump them into a massive shelter where no one has to look at them, rather than, you know, using the billions of dollars wasted on low-life CEO’s actually working to get these people better and off the welfare system that we all pay for with our hard-earned working money. I have seen cops beat up homeless people for sport- NOT an exaggeration. And when you go to a store? Try asking a question. Seriously, ANY question. Guranteed you will either get a rude response OR someone speaking that ugly FAKE dying duck French that they think is “real”. I was schooled my entire lie in France-based French (I’m European) and I couldn’t get work in Ottawa because I have been told to my face literally- “We don’t like the French you speak.” My suggestion? go to ANY OTHER French speaking nation on Earth (including the carribean) and then tell me whose French is proper. Oh yeah, another thing- Canada is BILINGUAL. Meaning, speaking only Quebecois crap and two words of English DOES. NOT. COUNT.”


“Ten years ago I escaped the smallest town I ever lived in. (ottawa)

I moved to a town of 20,000 where there are happy honest people who actually work for a living and care for each other. 

take a hillbilly, stick him in some useless BS university course on the taxpayers bill, teach him to be incompetent in TWO languages, then overpay him in a pointless government job to be unaccountable and you have someone who spends a lifetime in ottawa

other than the double wide trailer deep down a lot of them have wasted their lives.

GET OUT WHILE YOU CAN at any cost, your children will thank you”


“Wow, thumbs up to Madison, I can’t get anything done right here let alone ask a question at a store. For three years now I’ve not had a single hair cut done right, or an oil change…pretty much anything that’s not completely in my control is done wrong. Stuck here for the work, if CEO’s would get off their high horses and implement work-from-home software I’d be out of here in a flash. To be honest I think people driving in traffic for hours every day to go and sit on a computer and answer a telephone is ridiculously primitive. Everything my husband does at work he is able to do from remote logon at home but they want him to go in and use their computer, their hydro, their heating and for no reason, he works alone anyway. It’s so bloody stupid. Remote work would get half of us out of this wretched city we don’t even need to be living in.”


“The above posts are a lot more thorough than I could be. Suffice it to say, Ottawa has all the problems of big cities with almost none of the advantages. It also has all the problems of small towns with none of the advantages. It is neither. The great Jimi Hendrix breezed into town for a couple of days during the late great ’68 and summed up Ottawa in his diary “… strange people”. Nuff said.”


“I moved to Ottawa from Europe last August.

Even though I was born here, I can say that I think Ottawa sucks. Or perhaps it is more Ontario. Taxes are way to high and despite what people say, electricity is cheaper in Europe than here. 
We’ve decided to sell our house and leave this shit hole country, can’t wait to get back to the real world.”


“… Does Ottawas suck? Ask my son who was born in Ottawa and is happy to be out of there.”


“Ottawa is the worst city in all of Canada, maybe even north america! I stopped there early last year to see the canada day festivities. From the moment I got out of the car and started waliking around, people were the rudest, walking into you from across the sidewalk to like purposely hit you walking by. Everyone is cheap and not very social. Just stay in ottawa if you live there, don’t move there if you’re a nice person.”


“Nearly 1/3 to 1/2 the population has a chip on their shoulder here. Ottawa is a car city. The ethos here is passive aggressive to hidden aggressive snotty.

Even in Montreal they are capable to say “excuse-me.”
The proper use and not abuse of the english language is to say “excuse me” not “sorry.”


“I’ve been out of Ottawa for 6 months now. I AM IMMENSELY HAPPY! My son is eating again, has alllll kinds of friends and is CONSTANTLY outside playing.

To all those sluts and whores on the Stittsville Moms Facebook page who look as phony as a 3 dollar bill… keep your precious city and check your daughter’s drawers. She’s doing drugs and boys to numb her pain.”


“Darnn … i used to live in BC and Calgary and i have never felt so depressed as right now. I wish i could turn back time and stay in either Calgary or BC instead of here …

Miss BC and Calgary badly”


“Hey Everybody,

I came across this blog when I googled “why is ottawa so boring” after having a discussion with a friend about Ottawa. (on how really boring it is)
I am 33 years old. I was born and raised in Ottawa and now looking back I havent seen anything change in this city… 

They can’t even get the O-Train running. A simply east to west north to south route. If I were in charge I would hold an open competition to the 3 major schools in Ottawa (Ottawa U, Carleton and Algonquin) and have them design a system for the city. Who better to design it? They probably use it the most. The designs can be voted on by the people of Ottawa and problem solved. Seems to easy and good to be true. 

The nightlife in the city is dreadful. The only time it gets busy is when the students get back. Pretty embarrassing on the rest of us that live here. The Byward Market is boring and lackluster. The Bylaw officers are way to happy to hand out tickets to people just trying to make a living or just have a good time. The upscale restaurants that claim to have the best chefs and best food are terrible. But everybody is too afraid to say anything because they just want to be seen at “the hotspot of the month”. And yes every month there seems to be a new hot spot. But with the suburbs getting better restaurants and bars, the Market is loosing its appeal for people who live on the outskirts. 

The amount of rudeness in this city for such a small population is bonkers. Nobody says please or thank you. Its gotten to the point where I dont hold doors open for anybody anymore because nobody says thanks. People dont know how to drive in this city. However is teaching people to go 80km\hour in the left lane of the highway and not move when somebody is coming up at 100km\hour needs to stop doing that. 

People are not approachable and open here. I was born and rasied here and find that. Think of somebody that moves here from somewhere else. People judge and critise people here a lot. People are looked at strictly on the outer appearance. Thats why everybody looks the same here. Pure cookie cutter.. 

I know its a governement town, and everybody disappears after 7. But like an earlier comment i read, your salary can make or break your activities. I work for the governement and the majority of people dont make crazy amounts of money. If you are a single man or woman living in this city with a mortgage, bills and maybe a car payment, i’m guessing you are paycheck to paycheck. There is not a lot of room to play with after all of those things. God forbit you have an emergency like a car repair or a over inflated cell phone bill you just got after coming back from the states. The amount we pay for goods and services in Ottawa (and Ontario) is astronomical. But that discussion is for a whole new blog. 

The yearly “festivals and events” that everybody looks forward to are pretty much boring and the exact same every year. For example wine and food, hope volleyball, cheo bbq, bluesfest, greekfest and so on and so on. Its time we got something new, people set thier calenders to these events. LOL 

I’m pretty much ranting, but it feels good to know i’m not alone. But its unfortunate because these past few years, i have seen things getting worse. 

But the bottom line is you make the best of it. If people want to disappear at 7pm, doesnt mean you have to. If people drive like morons, drive the way you need to, to avoid them and get to your destination safe. If people are being rude, call them out on it. And give them a little taste of it back. You’ll be surprised how much better you feel.”


“Ottawa should be the butt of alot of stand-up comedy, but the people here are so self-unaware or insecure that they either wouldn’t get it, or allow themselves to get it.

Great site though.”


“Fuck this ugly piece of shit city. Moved here my stoney creek (near hamilton) and when my fucking apartment contract is up in september i’m gone and never looking back. Ottawa is filled with a bunch of arrogant and ignorant dickheads. What a dirty and smelly city, an embarrassment to be part of canada yet alone the nations capital. Hamilton is a steel town and still so much superior then this ghetto land, mind you the suburb I lived in IS nice. Fuck anyone who defends this lifeless cunt of a city. Day 1 of my move, ps3 stolen, shows the true character of everyday ottawans. I guess people here are too poor to buy their own, so steal someone elses on move in day, Nice!!! And for the record, I’m not from Toronto but have been there enough to know, toronto has always been better, will always be better and just is better then this mistake of a place.”


“I moved here 10 years ago and for the first 4 years thought it was me. People looking away when you look up to say hello, not being able to merge onto a highway because cars don’t move over, being surprised in the food store when the lady stands there with her shopping cart expecting you to get out of her way instead of going around you, miserable customer service, frantic waves from drivers to proceed instead of a friendly nod, crappy restaurants, urban sprawl, non-existant architecture, U-turns at 4 way intersections. Tailgating, cigarette smoking contractor idiots hauling ass down the 174 making their way home to Rockland, ready to road rage any asshole that gets in their way, no quality, no class, just a backwater of comfortable civil service families of four dining out at Montana’s and getting a large double double on the way to their well paying, pension indexed government job that they hate.

So anyways, after 4 years I realized that it wasn’t just me and for the past six have just been putting up with it. But not in 2012 friends. I’m going back to Toronto, where it’s a hell of a lot friendlier, classier and better for business not to mention my psyche! Ottawa, keep your dweeb mayors, Lowell Green, million traffic lights, horrible French slang, dumpy market , over rated glebe first to the trough pension sucking tightass baby boomers who still work as consultants and go to the same goddam home show 3 times a year at the eyesore known as Frank Clair Stadium. As they say on Dragons Den….I’m out!”


“It is true, Ottawa sucks. People are so uptight and awkward here. The majority of civil servants are lazy and have never worked in the real world. They are just waiting for their pension to kick in.”


“It’s funny, I work on the phone with customers from all over north america and somebody called the other day and said, as many do, “where am I calling” and I said “Ottawa” and they replied “well, I’ll forgive you for that” and I laughed out loud…”


“I mean smile for God’s sake, smile once and a while…look at the dang tulips or something, whatever is happening can’t be so bad that people are so misserable or out of it constantly.”

I’m afraid the problem runs a little deeper than smiling will fix (although it wouldn’t hurt). In the unauthorized history of Ottawa that I’m writing, I point out that the city was founded as an 19th century experiment on passive/aggressiveness that went awry. As generations of bureaucrats inbred, the sense of humour was eventually eliminated. And the simulacrum finally able to oust the authentic.”


“Oh this is a great blog page. I was up this morning thinking about some of the truly weird and sometimes horrid people I met when I lived in Ottawa when I attended University there.

Some of the way people treat each other was just bizarre, mean spirited and awful.

My advice for those who read this is to leave for another city (any city) as fast as you can. If you must stay in Ottawa then I have some good advice. 

Make genuinely nice friends (they exist in every town and city). Surround yourself with positive vibes and people as much as possible. When you run into one of the many twits or assholes in Ottawa – keep running (as far away as you can). 

Do not attempt to fight fire with fire by engaging in some goffy one upmanship with a mean person who does something mean to you. Just walk away. If you can bring attention of their behavior to a supervisor (if someone is rude to you in a store for example) then by all means please do so. However do not be suprised if the supervisor is also an asshole and sides with the asshole working for him/her who was rude to you.

Basically just find good people in your life and just ignore the other morons if you can… and you should survive Ottawa.”


“Hi Im canadian and I have lived in BC, Alberta, Toronto and also NB. I made the mistake of moving here 5 years ago. I am a single woman here and if your a single woman you are targeted all the time and people take advantage of you from government offices to workplaces to housing accommodations etc. I lost my ft job in 2008 and have not found much since. If your white and english no one wants to hire you. There are also alot of newcomers with attitudes, it seems half are sweethearts and the other half have a stinky attitude and dont like the canadian born pe ople. ONe of my friend’s who is half native has alot of issues here too because she is single. She also cant get into a government job. I always try to be a good person but it seems in this city people stick up for the bad guys and criminal types. Im hoping to be able to escape this hell hold of a city next month and I will never return here again even for a visit!! I also only like to hear english spoken on the buses but alot of people dont seem to care nowwadays.”


“OC Transpo are a bunch of fucking goofs. Shitty Nightlife. Dirty Cops. Bad Food. The drivers are bad too the second a flake of snow hits the ground its like these idiots forget how to drive. The Hockey Team is absolute shit and I hate their fans. Overall Ottawa is not a city to be proud of.’

That best describes Ottawa. I have lived there for most of my life (I now reside in the United States) and living there was a nightmare. It’s boring beyond comprehension, life-less, expensive, soul-less and utterly depressing place. I actually feel sorry for people living in that hellhole. It’s especially horrid if you’re a young black man. 

I thought all of Canada was like Ottawa so I made a persistent effort to leave Canada altogether. I’m a young man with many talents and positive outlook on life and Ottawa was sucking the life out of me. They’re uncultured old people – the city is disproportionately populated by older generation whites who suffer mental problems and are incredibly miserable – who look forward to pension and retirement. Depression, alcoholism, drug use and social problems remain rampant in the nightmare called Ottawa. 

I now reside in the United States of America where I live with normal people. People that are actually receptive and capable of engaging in normal, fun activities and conversations. It actually took some time getting used to people that weren’t so cold, condescending and contemptuous for no apparent reason other than that they’re unhappy and possess an attitude of vengeful supremacy (to make themselves feel better and escape their unbearable “lives”).

Canada is a decaying country and it’s eating itself away from the inside. It’s becoming increasing unlivable, socially and economically, for an ever growing number of people-particularly the young.


“Today The person in front of me stops at a green light to let out somebody from the passenger side. Nobody honks, not once. Then the woman gets out of the car and starts flipping a bird to everybody including myself and for what? Not honking? Not being ass holes? I don’t get it, what’s with the crazies. Nobody knew what the hell was going on. We’re all stopped at a green light being flipped off by somebody that looks perfectly well dressed and normal. I’m so confused LOL, not surprised…but very confused.”

I’ve had a similar experience (on multiple occasions); a woman was getting out of a car’s passenger side in the middle of the road. I politely waited and didn’t even look at her, let alone honk. Meanwhile the driver, also a lady, kept looking at me as though I eat babies! For being polite!? I don’t get it. So I’m left with amazement and bewilderment. 

In Ottawa you have to get used to abnormal behavior. It’s a very bizarre place. It’s like a horrible social experiment, a mental ward even. It stems from the general population’s social ineptitude associated with its deplorable cultural backwardness. Since it’s a socially dead city they don’t know how to behave much less socialize. The glaring lack of social evolution consequently rendered the city a harbinger of abnormal behavior. 

What’s considered normal is rarely seen in Ottawa…”


“I hate living here. I want to move to Las Vegas, Nevada. Sure, Ottawa has strip clubs and casinos like Las Vegas but it doesn’t have enough entertainment, good weather, good food (though that’s improving) or excitement. When the time comes, I’ll pack my bags and at least winter in Vegas. Ottawa in the summer isn’t bad, though. In winter, it’s a nightmare.”


“In Ottawa you have to get used to abnormal behavior. It’s a very bizarre place. It’s like a horrible social experiment, a mental ward even. It stems from the general population’s social ineptitude associated with its deplorable cultural backwardness. Since it’s a socially dead city they don’t know how to behave much less socialize.”

because it’s not an entrepreneurial city, people don’t develop certain skills. You’ll meet the same percentage of weirdos in other similar cities. (well, maybe not quite as high.)”


“An immigrant’s experience in Canada:

The Canadian government solicits potential immigrants and dupes them into bringing their skills and money to Canada. It advertises the country to people from other countries, mainly for their money; each prospective economic immigrant has to bring with them minimum $10,000. It’s a scam but then again so is everything else in Canada. 

When the Canadian govt is engaged in such a scam you can only imagine the extent to which the average Canadian individual is also involved in a scam of their own to survive, everything from phoney govt jobs to independent immigration consultants. Every Canadian is involved in some kind of a scam. Fraud is a way of life in Canada and you have to do your part just to pay the bills to extortionist utility, rent, insurance companies, etc. If you come with the mentality – as immigrants erroneously do – that this is a developed country and expect an efficient and competent system you will be greatly mistaken: Malfeasance is the call of the day in Canada. 

Since the country’s economy largely depends on service, and Canada no longer a manufacturing country, the best show in town in terms of gainful employment is a govt job. That requires “networking” – code word for FAVORITISM in Canada – forget about best qualified person getting the job. In many respects Canada is a developing country. There’s a disconnect between the political class and the average person (which explains the immigration disaster, among other common fundamentally flawed and corrupt practices). 

Canadians are cold and standoffish. Nothing happens and everybody keeps it to themselves. It’s the most socially inept country in the world. Since it’s socially dead country one becomes accustomed to abnormal behavior. Canada lacks national identity and national culture. Subsequently everyone identifies with the country of their parents or great parents’ origin. Forget about assimilation and adapting to Canada, you cannot assimilate and adapt to an unreceptive environment. Consequently racial attitudes are behind 30-40 years, say the United States. Which is really unfortunate because the country’s population is aging at an incredible rate, and the average immigrant stays for a few years and eventually leaves. (40% of all immigrants to Canada at any given year leave so within a few years – Statscan.) To augment this the govt typically brings in even more people. There’s a continuous flow of “new” arrivals filling the position of those who have come and gone. 

Major cities, namely Toronto, Vancouver and Montreal, are decaying socially and economically. Heavy drinking, drug use and other social problems are rampant along with crumbling infrastructure. But people in Canada don’t discuss issues of national importance, they lack coherent objective national discourse. People complain and say what they think they’re supposed to say, or, more accurately, say what they think will make them sound smart. Whether inferiority complex or other social deformity, people in Canada dislike constructive criticism and altruism. They remain risk averse to a fault, so problems fester. Everyone simply prefers to pretend everything is nice and dandy.”


“… So that’s it from someone who has lived here all their lives. “

The argument from authority in a blog like this is miserably out of place. I refer you to the concept of “Stockholm Syndrome”, named after a city almost as ‘vibrant’ as Ottawa.

Architecture? Do you really think people are coming from all over the world to Ottawa to study how we do architecture and urban planning? 

The city has had and will probably always will have a lack of imagination. It’s architecturally vapid – the downtown can best be thought of as supplying the reply “Who .. me?” to those in search of it. Then consider Carling Ave. between Lincoln Fields and Bayshore. How about putting that in a travel brochure? Or Merivale Road, anywhere? … The list of mind numbing stretches of eyesore are endless. 

As far as complaining about the hating on Ottawa, if anything, the complaining makes it slightly more tolerable. At least some humour can be generated to cover over the hot air and shredded paper which seem to be the major products of this small-minded over-grown hick town (albeit one with a high percentage of 110k earners).”


“Ottawa’s people are very conservative. Any talk of building a highrise tower anywhere causes them to panic and go into a coronary. Being a government city, the downtown core is drab and boring. Developers quickly put up a building at low costs to make them competitive for government leasing contracts. Unfortunately, this has resulted in a very boring and flat downtown building architecture with no vibrancy and character. People in Ottawa accept mediocrity in most accepts. A skating rink is more important and will recieve more press as opposed to building something unique to give the city character. Sparks street, once a vibrant part of downtown is in ruins, yet is embarassingly advertised in travel brochures. Large trucks go through King Edward Ave. as a gateway to Gatineau, Quebec. Which downtown allows this? Those who think this is a beautiful city need to get out more often in my humble opinion to really understand what a beautiful city looks like.”


“Well, it’s been 2 years since I left Ottawa. Never again will I move back there to live. I still have friends there, but this last trip at Christmas? They’re all falling apart. A friend picked a fight with her teen daughter in the restaurant we were having lunch in. My friend, who once was vibrant and full of life is no longer and another friend admitted to me she was bi-polar. Other friends are having trouble with their marriages and others are wanting to leave. Ottawa is poison – it really is.”


“Now I am not going to pretend to make an unbiased assessment of Ottawa as I know that my life experience is colouring my perception of this city just like everyone else who has posted here. I really don’t think an unbiased assessment can be made when it comes to the overall experience of living in Ottawa. We could talk about hours of sunlight per year, ethnic diversity, green space, average levels of education, city planning, crime rates, cultural sites and entertainment venues per capita, or any other factor that would appear on paper to affect quality of life. I don’t want to discuss those things. We could take an opinion poll, but I don’t really care how many people are enjoying life in Ottawa. It doesn’t change the fact that I am not. I found this blog post by googling “ottawa sucks,” and honestly I was very relieved to find that I am not the only one who feels this way.

All I can say is that when I moved to Ottawa I became very depressed. I have been here for three years and I have had a harder time making genuine connections with people than anywhere else I have visited or lived. I once moved to a small town in B.C. by myself and I found people who were eager to accept and include me within months, not years. 

I do find that many people here seem unhappy and closed off. A previous post mentioned things like lack of eye contact with strangers, and not getting so much as a “thank you,” when you hold a door for someone. This has been my experience as well and I believe it is contributing to the sense of isolation that has been growing in me since I moved here. 

Something that made this phenomenon seem much more pronounced was a recent trip I took to the southern U.S. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not going to argue the superiority of American culture in its entirety over Canadian, or more specifically Ottawa culture. (I would never do that.) I will, however, point out that when I was down south I was really shocked by one major difference. When in a store, on a tour, or asking for directions, the people I spoke with made eye contact with me, smiled sincerely, asked questions, and went much further to assist me than I’m now used to. People expressed their opinions unapologetically and without hesitation, laughed out loud, joked with me, expressed concern, and acknowledged my humanity in a way that I didn’t even know I’d been missing.

Upon returning to Ottawa, the constricted way people interact became so blatantly obvious I could no longer ignore it. It seems as though people are so concerned about avoiding conflict or controversy that they stifle themselves. I’m not sure what the reason behind it is but it appears to me that people are uncomfortable in their own skin, uncomfortable with each other, and so inhibited that the possibility of connecting with others is almost completely off the table. 

I feel like an alien here. Not since I was a teenager have I been so self-conscious – never have I been so self-contained. I feel trapped, disconnected, desiccated. I want to leave.

Like many others I am here for work. Not my work – but my fiance’s work. My education goals have been put on hold by the prohibitively high tuition in this province. The only friends I have made are people who are struggling with mental or physical illness. I have been unable to find full time work, even in entry level positions. It seems every subway sandwich artist and his dog has a masters degree, making it impossible for me to compete on paper.

It is just downright depressing.

Yes I do think Ottawa is “pure garbage” as another poster chose to put it. I think this characterization makes sense given my experience here – and all the winterludes, museums, and maple syrup festivals you can throw at me won’t make up for it.

Hang in there, fellow Ottawa-haters. Know that you are not alone and that somewhere out there a place that feels like home is waiting for you.”


“Having been born and lived my 26 years thus far in Ottawa, I can say I’ve seen a lot of the good and a lot of the bad that Ottawa has on offer.

I’ve travelled pretty extensively around North America, both Canada and the US and had a brief stint living in Kitchener-Waterloo. I’m going to be moving to San Francisco, and having just spent a week there becoming acclimatized, I noticed several distinct differences. 

Firstly, the people in Ottawa. Several people have mentioned that Ottawans are quite impersonal, cold, standoffish and socially awkward. I’m often guilty of this myself, and I’ve noticed it extensively with most people you’ll see everyday. I’ve tried a little social experiment a few times; try it next time you’re out for a walk in your neighbourhood: greet everyone you pass with eye contact and a “Good morning!” or “Hello!” and see the confused looks you receive in return. Sometimes you won’t even receive any acknowledgement whatsoever from passersby. I can’t think of one time that I’ve ever been greeted by anyone while out for a walk, or bike ride, very dehumanizing. 

One area where Ottawa is absolutely great compared to other similarly-sized cities is with outdoor recreation! If you like biking, hiking, paddling, swimming, skiing or really any other outdoor activity, Ottawa has lots of places to go and have fun outside. Gatineau Park is amazing, the Rideau Canal and River are great. Our recreational pathways and greenspace are easily accessible. Just be ready to do any of these activities by yourself, because trying to interact with people to find someone with common interests is difficult if not impossible. See above.

I think the thing that wears on folks the most though, is the can’t-do attitude that’s so prevalent in the city. Ever want to do anything cool, fun, inventive or interesting? While people were sure not to connect with you or recognize you as a fellow human before, if you mention wanting to do something outside of the normal day-to-day, you’ll find people lining up to tell you why you can’t, shouldn’t, and probably will fail. I think that’s the worst thing about this city, and it scales from the smallest of small scale things, all the way to the largest of large-scale things in the city. Why are there few Ottawa-based startup companies? Because we’re likely to fail. Why aren’t people more open and friendly? Because people aren’t likely to reciprocate. It makes people with hopes and dreams either leave or have them be crushed under the burden of self-doubt and helplessness that plague this place.”


“Way too many cagey bureaucrat and secret police types. Not enough creatives. Plus a lot of people don’t know how to live in an urban environment.”


“Ottawa, where between noon and 3pm on a sweltering 37c afternoon, you’ll see assholes out jogging…”


“Well, it’s a small comfort to know I’m not alone. I find myself booking blog sites like this just to remind myself of that. And there are plenty, which says something. I’m not from Toronto, nor Montreal or Vancouver though I love each of those towns for their own reasons and also dislike a few things about each as well. I’m from Halifax and have my own love-hate relationship with that place too. And perhaps I’m a bit spoiled because I’ve had the opportunity to live in Paris, Edinburgh and Boston. But see, all those cities evoke at least some emotion in me -good and bad- whereas all Ottawa does is lower the heart rate to flatlining. It’s simply an incredibly dull and nava-lgazing town, surrounded by forgettable suburbs full of forgettable people and a downright depressing landscape. It looks like a giant Northern Reflections store about to go out of business.

I tried to come in on an upbeat note but when I told people that I had finally accepted a job here, they were all sorry for me. ALL of them. 

I’ve been ‘doing time’ here for 3 years and desperate to find a way out. Like many, I moved here for work (what else is there to do here?). I only hope I can take the experience and cash and make a run for it. It’s not like I didn’t know in advance about the place: I had family here for a long time (who also hated it) and I’ve had to come for work reasons many times over the years. I just managed to avoid the move before now, and I am still mad at myself for not aiming higher. This ain’t the end all and be all for me, though the local population seem to be curiously satisfied with it. I guess if your biggest aims in life are to get your kids on bilingual hockey teams, spend every Saturday x-country skiing in Gatineau Park, and discuss government job reclassifications over hot chocolate at family-oriented parties post-skiing…well, this is your town.

And don’t even get me started on the idiotic drivers, retarded cyclists and rude, sullen pedestrians. Don’t even start on that one…let’s just say I’ll trust a Parisian driver over an Ottawa-twit behind the wheel anytime.”


“Ottawa is not a middle sized city people. Ottawa is considered the 4th biggest in the country and the most boring city in Canada”


“Two words,

“Yo guy”


“it’s just sooooo boring here.”


“I just moved here recently from Vancouver. We moved here because my husband got a job and Vancouver was insanely expensive. After 1 1/2 month I had enough of Ottawa. While I have a good and transferable profession, have a provincial registration, after almost a year of looking for and applying for a position,I was totally ignored. No job.What I experienced here pretty similar to the previous posters. People are unfriendly, anal retentive, can not even handle a small joke, the service is low grade, the residential towers are frightening, the streets are dirty, buses are substandard.

I wonder if this town is full of Man In Black characters, outside humans, but inside only aliens. It is a very strange little town which is a disgrace to the whole nation. I was hoping I could start a new chapter of my life here, but I do not want to stay here any longer. Back on the West Coast ppl told me that moving here will be a big change for me, I just could not believe it. Now I know it not just believe it! It is worse that some of the cities behind the Iron Curtain! Where the hell did I end up? In Hell? In Hell!!!”


“The bad driver aspect can’t be stressed enough. In Toronto, you put your turn signal on, and you damn well merge, because people recognize your situation, and allow you to do so. In Ottawa, “What? How dare they try to merge IN FRONT of me! What say we hold up traffic in protest? Yes, let’s. How dare that individual try to merge into MY lane, I will do my utmost to prevent them from performing such a belligerent act, and thus, accelerate directly into their blind spot.”



“I moved from Montreal to Cornwall in 2008 and I have only good to say about Cornwall, super friendly, I was shocked to have people smile at me and say hello when walking in the park or on the street. Wow! I thoroughly enjoyed the two years that was there.I had plenty of friends and staff in stores were friendly plus I had everything I needed around me except for clothes shopping. Montreal was there for that, just as hour away. Sad to say, I moved to Ottawa for work. I made sure I had a job before I got here and was fortunate to get a work from home job.

It’s been 3 years now. I still have no friends, though I can’t say I’m depressed, I feel dead inside, not sad, just no fire. It took 2 years for someone to reply when I say hello in my apartment building. Asking for directions on the street seems to be a sin.As a Welcome Wagon representative I have a lot to do with business people and their receptionists, and boy oh boy talk about condescending. Many of them treat you like the help at the best and are most always very expedient. The welcoming smiles don’t last long in Ottawa before they want to see the back of you. At the beginning it made me really sad and I felt so isolated. I’ve gradually learned to go with the flow and do my own thing. There is nothing I’d like better than to go back to Cornwall, but now I had to quit my job because it was costing me more than I was making. Most jobs in Ottawa are sales, service or government, none of which fit my qualifications. So glad to see that I’m not alone, that helps.”


“Truly unbelievably boring for a city this size. A remarkable achievement.”


“I have lived in Ottawa my whole life, 26 years total. I am glad I there are more people out there who also hate this city. I am already looking to move away. This place is boring, expensive and less exciting by the day. Also be careful how you approach people or what kinda jokes you like to crack because everyone has to prove how tough they are in this town. I will be moving to the southern states, I don’t know if the rest of Canada is this bad but I am not risking it when everything is so much cheaper and taxes are way lower down there. I can do without the healthcare for now.”


“While walking home from my job I had some loser heading-to-prison guy come up to me and belch in my face. Time to write a comment.

I have been living in Ottawa my whole life and happened to come across an amazing job by default. With only a couple of years until retirement I can’t wait to move away. 

Having travelled extensively throughout the world I can say that the rudeness here is incredible. Although people seem to be pointing to civil servant coldness as the brunt of this rudeness I believe that it is the drug addict/trailer park aspect of this city that contributes to its vulgarity. Mass transit is horrible. Taking the buss is hell. After a horrible incident with a bus driver in 2009 I still follow up on responses from the city/transit commission for a response knowing that I am never going to get one. My city alderman never responds to anything. Renegade cyclists feel free to drive down sidewalks threatening pedestrians. Walking down a street subjects you to verbal assaults by cars passing by on the street. I have walked down the street in my overrated neighbourhood of the Glebe and been unnecessarily accused of stalking by female pedestrians. And don’t get me started about the boogers on the washroom stalls… 

The market has become a cesspool of misery and drug addiction.”


“It’s been a while since I’ve made a post here and I think for once I won’t make this too long winded. People will argue anyways, regardless of how well I make my point.

I’ve lived in Ottawa proper since 2007 and I gotta say, I’ve given it a good try. I’ve experienced the city in varying situations. Pre-college living downtown, post college living in Gatineau, and then in Aylmer, now in the upper class west end. I’ve experienced the city from varying points of view, in varying life situations, I have tried again and again to give this place a fair shake and I get mud in the face every time. Enough is enough. 

There is enough issues here to make it a very unpleasant place to live and I’ve boiled it down. A large % of the population seems to be passive aggressive, argumentative, void of personality, intimidated by the success of others, unsupportive, disengaged and generally unpleasant. The goal of many individuals seems to be outwardly focused on taking those around them down a notch rather than to exert the effort needed to advance themselves. 

I’m currently in the process of making solid plans to leave the city and move to a place with generally good karma and a population a little less butt hurt and a bit more introspective.

Expecting the response that not all cities are perfect, I can acknowledge that. It is true that no matter where you go there will be people that will cause problems and various other aggravations. However, you have to be able to judge the extent of this. Just as not all relationships are perfect, some are better than others, some are downright abusive. 

The “relationship” that I have had with the city of Ottawa is one that, if it were a romance, nobody would hesitate to recommend ending it. As a hometown, it is an unfit one with a heavy dose of psychological and verbal abuse, unrelenting and unprovoked. This place will drag you down on every level.”


“I respect that some people may like Ottawa as they may have been born or raised here and this is their home or their personality is more appropriate for this city.

I can only speak of my experience and that of people based upon what I know of them and/or what they have told me: I have never come across such strange people in my life. I have used the term ‘weird’ myself to describe them. I have lived in several cities, different countries and no place is perfect but for me, Ottawa’s weaknesses or what I perceive to be weaknesses are too much for me. The people here in my opinion are socially stunted (I mean the people born and raised). They only have friends from their childhood and will not expand beyond those friends. Anyone else are strangers mostly. 

I cannot tell you how easy it was for me to make friends in other cities and when I came here, after a year, I started to think the problem was me. Somehow I had lost the ability to make friends but then I spoke to honestly 200 people over several years and everyone said the same thing: people here don’t make friends with you if you are not already within their circle of childhood friends. Every ‘normal’ person I have met have been from outside of Ottawa. I am not trying to be mean but by normal I mean, friendly, willing to open up and invite you in their lives.

I know countless people who left because they could not stand how unfriendly the city is. By unfriendly, I don’t mean rude. People are very polite but they will not go beyond a certain depth in their interactions with you. It seems to me that non-Ottawa people can live here for years and have zero friends born and raised here. I do believe that people are socially stunted. 

I am not trying to be vicious. It actually makes me sad to have to seen all this. There are good sides to the city but if you are social, friendly person, this is a very lonely place.”


“This place is so lifeless they should send astronauts here to train for Mars landings.”


“I came to Ottawa for university a couple of months ago and I have never been so sad in my life. Like most people here, I found this blog by googling “why ottawa sucks” . I find alot of citizens here defend the city to death but will not take the time to show people from other cities why Ottawa is suposedly so cool and quirky but unappreciated like they’re trying to keep the fun stuff to themselves or something. Anyways, I’m really releived that I found this blog because I’m feeling more and more like an alien in this very odd city”


“It’s difficult to clearly define exactly why Ottawa sucks, but sucks it definitely does. All you have to do is leave Ottawa for a few days, get far enough away, then come back, and you’ll see it. The people have sort of a repressed, miserable quality.”


“As a second generation Haitian Canadian, a large reason why I dislike this place is the lack of diversity. For a sizeable city with a significant amout of immigrants you would think that there would be an established community. But everytime I speak to a native Ottawa citizen about the lack of diversity they always respond with something like ” yeah but there’s a bunch of Africans and Lebanese people here”.

And that’s about it. Unlike Toronto where immigrants communities have estabilished a strong and for the most part, positive identiy in the city, here people just regard them a nuisance and every ethnic person gets lummped in one group and labelled immigrant. Although I was technically a minroity in Toronto, I never felt like one because each ethnic community had a presence. In Ottawa, I feel like a colour and it makes me feel small. I am by no means trying to antagonize white people but its pretty pathetic how little of a presence other ethnic groups have in this city”


“Ottawa still sucks. Not only do we have bad winter weather, uneven summer weather and nothing to do outside of gambling at casinos but now Ottawa has a gun problem. It’s not even safe now. I’m stuck in this awful city while other people live in great towns like Calgary, Vancouver, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, San Diego, Sydney and even St. John’s, Newfoundland and Labrador. I blame it on the dorky mayor Jim Watson, French-Canadians and Queen Victoria.”


“I grew up in Toronto and I’ve lived in Winnipeg, Vancouver and Yellowknife. I’ve now been in Ottawa for about three years and the amount of random nastiness I see day to day frankly blows my mind. I’m not saying that everyone in Ottawa are assholes but there certainly appears to be a disproportionately large number of them!”


“I’ve travelled all over South America, Europe, USA & Canada.

I have lived in Peru., Miami, Texas, England & Sadly now live in SHITHOLE BORING Ottawa Ontario Capital city of SHIT.
I have had a very interesting happy enjoyable life everywhere but in shitty Ottawa should be renamed BORINGVILLE.
Ottawa SHITHOLE city is truly the place that fun forgot. Everything is truly BORING in Ottawa. If you want to die of boredom look at Ottawa. Look at the old People totally lonely and miserable at your shopping malls. Summers in Ottawa way to short , freezing miserable disgusting cold winters way too long. Ottawa truly sucks . People in Ottawa are IGNORANT losers all they talk about is beer drugs smoking or boring hockey lol . Ever heard of reading oh no not these Ottawa folk they are truly proud to be BORING & IGNORANT.
So if you are brainless go live in Boringville Ottawa you might actually enjoy it HAHAHA. Shopping Malls Restaurant & Sewage infested Rideau River which these fools call beaches & swim in it in summer DISGUSTING. I HATE Ottawa I cannot wait to get the hell out of this MISERABLE place. Don’t move to Ottawa you will HATE IT. Ottawa is the place you go to die of misery.”


“Been here 16 months and will be leaving as soon as I can. Unfriendly people who are anti-social and rude. Most walk around with earbuds, texting and ignoring everything and everyone around and they must believe this is normal. Guess they found their own way of coping. I’m leaving before I turn into an Ottawa robot that only lives for a government job!”


“The reason why Ottawa sucks so much is because everyone is sad to live there.


“Immigrant Perspective: Ottawa is the rectum of the Canadian body. People there are mostly rednecks – lacking in culture, manners, finesse or even anything more than a blue-collar perspective. People are not only mean-looking but mean and look miserably unhappy. They are also incredibly boring. People will have nothing to do with you there based solely on your race. They are so prejudiced that they think that they know everything about you based on your appearance only. The attitudes are passive; parochial; backward; primitive almost. Ottawa is a Paradise for Losers. The standards for anything – e.g. food; medical care are abysmally low. The majority of people there are some slack-jawed public servants and their low standards/mediocrity are reflected everywhere. Yet, they all think that they are the greatest, when all they are is small fish in the big pond (rather morass) of Ottawa.

They have no idea how to undertake anything and achieve an outstanding result- only the barest minimum that is enough for them to get by, is the norm. If anyone tries to be excellent at anything, he/she is quickly worn down by envy, contempt and subtle forms of intimidation. The women are like rhinoceros – fat, ugly, aggressive, excessively competitive and will quickly stab you in the back if threatened by your success/characteristics. The weather alternates between violently cold and unbearably hot – it’s like being in hell or frozen hell. I would never in my life go back there.”


“Martha, everything you said about Snottawa is pretty much spot on. I’m “from” Ottawa, and after living 8 years in Los Angeles, 3 years in Italy, 1 year in Boston, 1 year in Zurich, 2.5 years in Vancouver, 1 year in Toronto,coming back to Ottawa was awful,the people incredibly provincial and anal and uptight, like they have a pickle shoved up their backside,and all in all,just a soulless hicktown with a parliament…..glad I left again, it was the best decision I ever made.”


“Ottawa is a provincial backwater town that thinks it’s big time. Do you ever hear people in London or Paris saying “let’s visit Ottawa! I hear it’s so beautiful this time of year!” No you don’t, because it is a squalid dump where no effort has been made other than to do the absolute minimum to exist. It is a perfect example of letting things rot and having to replace them (infrastructure) resulting in at least twice the expense.”


“The people there are so fucking rude. Nobody talks to each other and everybody stares. fucking weirdest city I’ve been. By the way Ottawa…YOU FUCKING SUCK.”


” Yes I 100% agree. I am here right now to change visas for work (An Australian living in New York) and I am both bored to death and sick of the people. They are seriously rude and I kept wondering why they were staring at me!!!!

Tonight I was bored to death, because I am on my own for this trip. I tried to make friends with the bar tender and he barely exchange three words with me. I thought it was very bizarre. Glad to hear it isn’t just me!!”


“it’s like going 30 years back in time. The racial slurs and homophobia is out of control. You could even say it’s accepted. Everyone looks the same because their afraid to stand out at all because of the ridicule it brings. I left Ottawa at 18 and was away for 15 years. I came back to visit family for the summer and worked as a bartender in a VERY busy establishment. All the same shit as 15 years ago by the SAME people who are now 15 years older. Wearing the same ball caps and ponytails they did in high school. Still fighting people who THEY bumped into and spilt a tiny drop of their Molson Canadian.

I’ve lived and worked as a bartender in cities like Los Angeles, Sydney and Toronto. Ottawa is the most violent, ignorant stagnant town I have ever set foot in. This is not a one situation rant either. I saw this day in and day out at work and in the streets. I avoid answering if I am asked where I’m from and when I go back to visit my family I am in and out of town in a blink. My life began the moment I left that town. For those who want out…just leave. Don’t save a pile of money or pay off cars or any shit like that. Get your ass to a city with variety and different cultures. Bar and restaurant jobs are everywhere and they pay great. Ottawa has a way of squashing a dream before it even becomes a thought.

Since I’ve left I’ve recorded decent selling albums, travelled the world with new friends (hot girls included), did a few tv commercials, gone to great partys and just all around seen some cool shit and met cool people … So…those of you who love Ottawa..PLEASE STAY THERE. Don’t travel! Those who hate it…come on out and enjoy yourselves with the rest of us open minded, friendly, hospitable and encouraging folk in the big cities all over the world. We want the best for you and the more interesting things you do the more we raise our hands in excitement and cheer your ass on! For you older folks in Ottawa, I’m sorry your once beautiful magnetic town has been looted. Ottawa is not the way the rest of the world works and don’t ever listen to someone who says it is! GET OUT NOW!!”


“I hate Ottawa because its soo unfriendly people are fake and slimy backstabbers, the jealousy is too much

Its not a place that wants you to grow and succeed in life but its a place that everybody wants to pull you down and wants you to be under them.No body is genuine and everybody stares, everything in this city is soo expensive”


” Honestly i don’t think it’s only Ottawa that SUCKS but the ENTIRETY of Ontario… this place is a shithole!”


“That last comment said everything. I have grown up in this town my entire life. My parents are always pressuring me to find a government job ( despite the fact I have two degrees and a masters) I can’t find anything. I went to Asia to teach for two years. It was amazing, I never felt depressed once or sad. I came back and went through another bout of depression before moving to London, UK. Once again, I felt much happier after a year there. Again, I find myself back in Ottawa trying to get a job to help message to move again back to Europe, this time Berlin. I had to cut off my Ottawa friends because all of them would bully me whenever I would complain about Ottawa.

I always thought I was the only one that felt like this, I always felt depressed and suicidal thinking about spending the rest of my youth in this town. There’s no culture, life, or decent thing going on here. I can’t even find a retail job here, it’s been six months. Ottawa is never going to change. I can leave as much but every time I return home it’s the same back waters hick town. Everyone wants to work for the government, buy a house in Barhaven and go to Mexico once a year thinking that’s ‘extoic’. Go fuck yourself Ottawa and the weird people that live here”


“This is all true…I find it scary how there are no jobs here and everything is private sector. People go to school and get out,dont find a job for years and are working at Walmart…I find the youth unemployment rate extremely disturbing. In general, they have ridiculous expectations for jobs paying MINIMUM WAGE….people overqualified get shit jobs and people qualified dont even get a retail job. You literally might as well take your degree somewhere where they will acknowledge it and pay you good And not 40000 a year for some gay job and having to be bilingual and having experience What a fucking Joke.All of the people who talk shit about how great it is here and how the states suck are the ones booking a flight to florida every year because its sooooo GREAT right? The rest of them who think its the best place on earth have never even left the city and been somewhere else and probably dont even have a stamp in their passport…

FYI the states basically runs Canada and theyre gonna buy everything out if they want lol. What is sickening is how everything is so overpriced and people just follow pay out the ass for everything and appreciate everything LOLLL Insurance, Apartments, Houses, Living in general? You might as well move to Miami because OTTAWA IS MORE EXPENSIVE how the fuck does a condo in ottawa donwtown cost 800,000 when i can buy a condo in Miami for 500,000 on the beach and a house in florida for 200,000? a house in barrhaven cost 500,000 Like what the fuck. Everyone is getting robbed and not even knowing it, Im almost done my program and Im getting the fuck out of here.

People are anal and unpleasant, the rules are gay and they rob taxpayers to pay for Bi-Laws to walk around and ticket your car and come to your door when your get together is too loud. I got a ticket for going to britannia beach at 10 pm because im trespassing when the beach is closed…?? This place is a giant retirement home which I may add there are almost 40 of them in ottawa which is 10 times as many in Toronto. Its so dead, theres no exciting events, everyone just goes to work and then home, so strict and so regulated. roads are shit and theres not even a proper fucking transit system or rail system that even third world countries have. There are 5 days out of the year when it doesnt rain and there is actually sun and blue sky…..the rest is rain, 50 cm of snow, and -50 which North Pole doesnt even have.

This city has the WORST drivers I have ever seen I have almost been hit or killed on multiple occasions, they should stop worrying about people making noise after 10 pm and make a proper driving test or stop giving out licenses to kids who are 16 and have only been behind the wheel of a car on their xbox. The radio stations are as limited as everything else here in general, no variety, no taste, just monotomy.”


 “All the 20 things about Ottawa are 100% true I couldn’t put it better myself. I’m glad tonsee that there are a few people left who are not in fucking denial. I did a degree in tourism just to get the hell out of here. I was 28 years old and felt like a 90 year old person living in a giant retirement home. If you hate it find a way to leave, I have. R.I.P Ottawa”


“Oh boy oh boy oh boy. People are agreeing with me.

Ok, I’m just a fifteen years old, but I can already see how much ottawa (with a minor “o”) fucking sucks. It’s been half a year since I came here, and every day is as painfully boring and shitty as the others. I was raised in Quebec, where people you don’t know rush to you as soon as they see you to say hello and talk to you. Let’s just say that the shitville gave me a bad first impression. so far, for 6 godamn months, no one, and I mean it, NO one ever FUCKING said absolutely ANYTHING to me. Not even “hello”, not even “thanks”. It looks like I’m fucking invisible. The whole city is ugly and grey. Yeah, grey. The buildings are grey. The sky is grey. The snow is grey. The place fucking stinks. People don’t know how to drive, my dog was almost ran over 5 times! Seriously, if you EVER have to move to ottawa, especially if it’s against your will, fucking brace yourself.”


 “Wow could not have put it better myself. Small town sensibility, cultural-social wasteland, it’s all true. I felt it since my first weeks in this city, and still several years later. It does not get better because it is not good.”


“… Without being facetious, what Joe is doing is providing a valuable service to society at large. When you arrive to Ottawa, you go through a circle: first, you enjoy it for a brief week or two. After a while, you start noticing all the small and big soul-destroying things about it. Then you start blaming yourself for not trying enough, not giving this city a chance, etc, & ‘being the boring person’ yourself (the fave of our fellow Attawans). Only after several years of trying to give it a shot, you realize IT IS NOT YOU, it really, truly is the decrepit soul-sucking shithole called Ottawa. Joe’s posts are valuable because they help people”


“Dilapidated, that’s the word I’ve been searching for for the 6 years I have lived here. Thank you, thank you, now I know what to call it!”


  “LOL this is the most Ottawa-esque thing anyone has posted. Person googles “I hate Ottawa” get offended by content and leaves a passive-aggressive comment. WTF were you expecting to find here? Go back to calling by-law on children playing street hockey”


“Hi. Your posts continue to provide me with much-needed support and the endorsement of my views of this place as an Attawa Shitizen. Last night I went to the Trailer Park Boys show at the NAC. I am well aware that “if you can’t stand the fire, get out of the kitchen” but even I was unprepared for the level of buffoonery and sluttery that only Attawans can provide. One girl went up on stage and repeatedly simulated a stripper and lapdance routine, which was met with howls of approval and baying from the crowd. The two hicks sitting in front of me kept standing up and waving their arms in the air – thereby restricting my view even though I paid the same price for my ticket as they did. Two goons who stood at the side throughout the show launched a barrage of profanity-laced abuse at the usher who tried to get them to sit down. The Redneck Convention was not in town – they own this shithole. More reasons to fear for humanity. Keep up the great work and thanks. I fully commiserate.”


“I am asian 6’3 and I know I am not ordinary appearance. But the way ottawa people looking at me almost insulting, they have very limited minds and mentality of hicks country mid-west type. A lot of old people it’s like big retirement home… So many homeless people it’s crazy!!! Ottawa people very snobish I don’t know why, maybe because they never see anything else. Also lots of people coming to work here from shit wholes like new brunswick or nova scotia and they act themselves like new yorkers but in fact they just rednecks… no sense of fashion, luxury, and life in general…the mentality everything must be cheap and ugly although everything in ottawa very expensive….Ottawa people are goon… French are very nervous especially on the parking… Ottawa people treat immigrants like shit I wonder why they invite these people especially skilled one… My immigrants with university degrees working low payed part time jobs… free health, i was waiting for fucking doctor for 6 months they treat doctors like Gods though their skills much lower than in european doctors…one family doctor never even examine my body or done any analyzes he just done his conclusion on assumption which is non sense, and he was white canadian with 11 years degree and some experience..i don’t really know how this country still successfull if everything so low level must be some magic”


  “I don’t agree that these comments could apply to any city. I have lived in Vancouver, Detroit, Philly, Toronto, NYC, London, Bangkok,part time in Paris and Hong Kong and now Ottawa. Some of your items are Ottawa spot on; the worst and rudest drivers anywhere,not even close. My car has been hit five times while standing still!!! It is the most boring place I have lived.An unfriendly cliquish city(but not the unfriendliest,Vancouver by a mile). 

Ottawalians are the country’s greatest busy bodies. Research published in the local paper found Ottawalians more likely than any other Canadians to snitch on neighbours re;by-law infractions(hanging laundry out, growing flowers too close to the curb, complaints about driving etc) The weather? That’s a personal preference. It took me six months but I grew to love the Bangkok weather. Compared to Bangkok Ottawa sucks.I found weather in Vancouver to be really unenjoyable. Six months of low gray overcast and rain. Then it clears up but summer never arrives.I mean the average temp in the summer is 22!! That is a nice spring day everywhere else. But is was the dreadful ‘winter months’ gray miserable really depressing that got to me. The lack of a proper hot summer only made it worse.

As far as people speaking another language goes well I guess I haven’t spent enough of my life in my mom’s basement to be bothered by the fact that not everyone speaks English so I can’t comment on that. However you would HATE Hong Kong and Bangkok because so many languages are spoken there. 

Sports teams?I mean who cares really. Across Canada the sports teams are all a joke. No Canadian team has won a major sports title in over a generation. Ottawallians do seem absurdly attached to their teams. i guess that is because a) there is nothing else to do b) their city is void of any real identity. At least when they lost the finals a few years back they didn’t throw a 3-years-old hissy tantrum and trash their city. 

The people here live with with the reality that almost all jobs are drone like, dead end lifeless crap civil servant jobs which seem to give them a sense of entitlement. 

The music scene sucks BIG TIME here. You are right no performer comes here except for festivals. Ottawallians flock to festivals in a sheep like fashion that is rather unique( and a bit frightening). However in Canada the only music scene that kept me happy was Toronto. I still travel 5 or 6 times a year there to see bands who don’t come to Montreal let alone Ottawa. London NYC and Paris were heaven that way. And it fairness to Ottawa the music scene in Vancouver and Montreal is rather pale as well. But nowhere near as bad as here!!

The restaurant scene is sorry in Ottawa. it has improved a lot but is still well behind any Canadian city I have lived in. There was a guy who set up and ran a fabulous restaurant in Ottawa , I mean fantastic. After five years he gave up , sold it and now sells street food in a van. That is Ottawa food tastes in a nut shell. 

There is almost no cultural diversity. Chinatown is the size of a postage stamp. Little Italy is just that, little and there is nothing else.Very little arts scene in Ottawa. Yes the National Gallery is very good and often has great exhibits; Monet at present, Dore, van Gogh and Caravaggio in the past few years and of course a great Canadian collection. But it is the nation’s national gallery so of course it is good. 

There are some nice park land areas. the Gatineau Hills are very lovely at certain times. But Ottawa has nothing compared to Stanley Park, Central Park or Toronto’s Rouge Valley Conservation Park. (the largest nature park within a core of a metropolitan area in North America). 

At least it’s very safe, not Detroit NYC or Vancouver’s Eastside

While some of your comments might apply to any city much of what you say is true.

Ottawa and Ottawallians are the clear front runners at the bottom of the pile, a good bit worse than runner up Vancouver. My top; Paris(duh)NYC Bangkok Toronto”


“I just wanted to say that I am a huge fan of this blog. You are doing a great thing. I lived in Ottawa for many years and it almost killed me. Please keep this up as I know for a fact that you bring a lot of smiles to a lot of miserable people wanting to break free of the miserable capital. God bless you in your efforts with this blog”


“A sentiment many posters have already raised but I want to express my own appreciation for: thank you for this website. The solidarity we share in our contempt for the Ottawa is, conversely, really positive for many of us who feel or felt isolated. The city and its miserable residents will break your spirit, leaving you feeling self-conscious and lonely. But don’t worry like-minded reader, its not just you who feels this way”


“Awesome list; made me chuckle a few times! Knew it was gonna be a good read when you touched on the staring in point #1. Its like prison inmates sizing each other up but in Ottawa its born out of conceited arrogance, not intimidation. I had the misfortune of living there for over ten years and it is indeed full of unfulfilled, self-involved bureaucrats. A total cultural/social wasteland with terrible public transportation! Its residents love to gloat about their home being a metropolitan national capital yet are flabbergasted and routinely revert to small town sensibility on issues such as transit, infrastructure, crime, employment, development, etc. that every part of city-life everywhere. Don’t even vacation there–you’ll run out of things to do on day three”


“Ive said all these things in public and agree with the improving Ottawa article 100 percent. Ive lived in BORINGVILLE Ottawa for 13 years. I am saving so I can take my book collection via shipping and buy myself an airline ticket back home. I have travelled all over the place USA Europe Canada Southamerica and Ive never encountered such a god awful place as Ottawa. I cant eait to get out of here and if I never see this forsaken place again I will be truly the happiest man in the world”


  “Been here 16 months and find it the most unfriendly city I have ever lived in. Superficial people who act friendly if they think you can benefit them, but have yet to have one person follow through on “keeping in touch” or being friends. It’s all about government jobs and money and not about people. I’m leaving as soon as I can before I suffer from permanent depression from becoming like them”


“I was there for 2 weeks and I HATED IT!! I was so glad to leave. This list is legit. I am American, and I never felt so discriminated visiting this place in all my life. The people were beyond rude and would stair or make rude blatant comments to your face. And let me tell you.. If they were in NYC or any other place in the U.S. I could guarantee most of these people would see the front of someone’s fist.

The French speaking people in retail stores acted like I was a pariah and like I was an idiot for not speaking French. Yup, that was my shopping experience-in Ottawa. I laugh because a guy commented the city looks like war-torn Afganastan. I thought the same thing.. only Russia! When I watched tv, the news media seemed to constantly compare Canadians and Americans. Like they hate us. I didn’t get it. But the stuff they would say, and in the manner and tone was like straight up blatant disdain. I couldn’t wait to get out of there! It put a bad taste in my mouth for Canadians and Canada in general. Honestly.. I have NEVER met more rude and miserable people like I did when visited Ottawa.”


  “Really dull city. You can line up in any line…restaurant, movie…etc. and nobody will initiate conversation with you. Walk down the street, nobody makes eye contact. A civil servant town where people carry that attitude in their private lives. The greatest thing about Ottawa are the highways leading away from it”


 “Again, Mr, Beaver, you nailed it! Cheating on your spouse isn’t bad enough for these IDIOTS, they have to display it on a website. Everything written on the web is permanent, deleted or not, PERIOD. Karma is a bitch, F them all….. “So I’ve known for awhile that Ottawa is full of self-entitled scumbags, selfish assholes and cheaters.” Join the club! “They are delusional and beyond help” yes… YEEESSSS! People are sooooo lazy, they would rather connect thru a website than meeting face to face, pathetic. All the while, leaving their information behind on the web to be hacked and divulged. GOOD FOR THEM!!!!! No wonder it’s so lonely here, everyone meets online. No more casual conversations, no eye contact, please…..that’s sooooo creepy. Attawa is the scumbag capital of Canada. 

Manipulators, liars, users, petty, superficial and soooo easily scared. Attawa is not only the city that fun forgot. It’s the city where COURAGE came to die. You, Mr. Beaver, give me the strength to go on in this shithole!

You are probably the last decent person left in this JOKE of a national capital.

Take care and keep this blog going…..Please.
Oh, and try to have a good one……somehow :-)”


  “I have been in Ottawa for almost 10 years. Even with a “government job” (those of us on the inside call it “public service”), this is a deeply boring, uninspiring place to live. I don’t drive due to a health issue, so every day I have to take some dirty bus across the decrepit downtown. It goes by Parliament Hill and I feel SO bad for the 15-30 tourists with their cameras. They are probably thinking this place sucks. And if I want to try out a new restaurant or visit friends, it takes forever to get there because of the terrible urban sprawl. It ends up isolating people and limiting their exposure to whatever part of town they inhabit. Seriously, City of Ottawa, just build the damn light rail system already.”


“Thank you so much for your blog. Every time I start questioning my mental health in living in Ottawa I read your posts and feel so much better. It’s NOT just me. I am not alone in hating this town. Ottawa is possibly the worst thing that has ever happened to Canada, and having spent time in Winterpeg in January, that’s really saying something. I can not wait to get out of here, and based on the comment above, I understand that you are getting out. Lucky you”


“Thank you for all your comments,they provide a gloomy comfort-confirmation as I am stuck here,for now.Worst place (people,culture,climate) that I have ever lived( and Ottawa is not a big city…not even near..maybe middle ,but only by Canadian standards, a country that has a lower population than the state of California)I actually enjoy super hot summers , and now summer seemd to have been cancelled,for the second year running,as well. “At least its better than Afghanistan” is a standard Ottawa defensive response.Okay, New York State -and the US border…. is less than a two hour drive south away, but the only place wherein Ottawa compares favorably is war-torn ,terrorist -ridden Afganistan? That says it all.”


“I couldn’t have put together a better list. What I would add though, and I think it’s probably the biggest problem is Ottawa is the following: Smug people who have no clue how mediocre/shitty Ottawa really is (or they’re in denial). I don’t think you can overemphasize #17, how ugly the city really is. New neighborhoods are low-end construction with houses featuring weeds instead of front yards, new overhead hydro wires, vinyl siding, asphalt driveways, no trees, etc. Few people takes care of their properties, probably because it’s either frozen outside or a Mississippi swamp during the summer and unbearable. Finally, the lack of ambition is mind numbing. This permeates all aspects of life in Ottawa, from municipal paralysis to a ‘can’t-do’ attitude in all areas of private life. I consider myself so fortunate to have taken the opportunity to leave this hell hole.”


“Ottawa has to be one of the boring cities in Canada. In general, people are cold and incredibly dull.”


“yeeeesss, attawa is a retarded town!

Vancouver not only has lounges but also sells to license holders
without any problems from police or city officials ; they have other
priorities…..not in attawa though, they enjoy harrassing pot smokers!
binge drinking, steroid and cocaine consumption is rampant within
the ottawa police force but smoking a joint in designated areas,
that’s a real crime. What a bunch of IDIOTS!
Attawa really is a backward town!”


“I agree with the first commenter. Ottawa is a very boring and depressing city indeed. I think this is due to the climate, geography and the fact that it is a government town. The down town is sad and dilapidated, overpriced and dull. It is also devoid of character and culture. Suit up, clone in or get out!”


“All of the above 20 reasons are highly accurate! My husband and I are from Montreal originally, and I’ve lived and traveled outside of Montreal and Ottawa, and Ottawa is indeed a dump!!! After a few years of being shit on by government workers at work, as a security guard, and super-rude citizens in general, we are happy to be leaving. My husband found a decent job at a crown corporation, but even he says people here are rude and self-centered. (All I could find was security jobs as alot of job ads promising full-time work here are not really at all. Job fairs here pretend to be hiring, but expect the moon and the stars for min. wage jobs with no guaranteed hours, so you can’t support yourself. If you’re not a friend or dumb-ass relative of a government worker, you’re screwed. That’s why most job fairs or ads are scams here; they already know they will be hiring their buddy, so they make job criteria i,impossible to fulfill. Expect to see just fat, lazy government workers boozing it up, because besides hockey, pubs are all they have).”


“YEAH…..OTTAWA SUCKS….BIG TIME…… no way to meet women…. dead after 11pm god this town blows…… people do drive like idiots here…stuck in their little world…. “


  “I am not from Ottawa but have lived here for 5+ years on and off. I am Canadian. I thought it was just me,but your right about the people. I find it very odd that people can be so cold and not bother with you just because you are not from here, or you are out of work or don’t have an overpaid government job (people who work at hardly working). I had a few of them say they only invite someone to dinner if that person did a favour for them! I never heard of such a thing.”


  “they by laws, gross unattractive people who act confident with nothing to back it up, unnaturally strange behaviour, kindergarten mentality on the road, dog shit every where because everyone is too entitled to pick up shit. People who talk in clipped tones (accompanied often with spit) or people who converse in obscure Canadian accent hybrid (yo guy, eyh watsup gouy) fun times. + psycho bus drivers”


  “Hello. I absolutely adore your blog. Adore. I moved from a hellish 20 years in the city of strange, antisocial sucks and I am ecstatic being in civilisation again. My father moved to Ottawa when I was 9 from the GTA an right away, the pudgy, pinched faced kids who told on me at every opportunity made me so unhappy and miss the more civil behaviours of southern Ontario. My experiences since then consist of people deliberately endangering their lives in traffic ‘because I had the right of way’ trying to control every aspect of their neighbour’s lives, exhibiting the rudest behaviour possible and attempting to pass of ignorance and cuntyness of as sophistication.. they love honda civics and have never heard of Hermes. I feel for y family remaining there.

My mother, who is ill, poor and lives alone presently has little joy in he rife, her uptight decided she was having to much fun feeding the squirrels, his crotchety complaints resulted in a memo (they LOVE those) warning people not feed the squirrels, because it leaves too many shells on the ground. These people would not understand quality of life, the value of a dollar or the basic rules of civility if all three jumped up and bit them in the anal retentive collective behinds. I am so, so, sooo happy to be out of that hellhole. People think TO is bad?
Simply put, Ottawa is a stupid contest, and -everyone- is winning.
ps. you really, really suck Ottawa.”


  “OTTAWA IS A SHIT HOLE – that’s how i found this blog. the people here are bland boring rubes. idiots with no sense of humor. But what is the most annoying thing about Attawans is they feel threatened by the most inane things, they have such a victim mentality….it’s like they all have battered woman syndrome. Honesty scares the shit out of them and it’s tragically unfunny. I live in Kanata and holy f–k!!! Talk about boring!!! I’ve worked close to the Canadian Tire Center for almost 6 years now… Well I still attract police attention, just this afternoon upon coming to work, there was a cruiser waiting in the parking lot and as soon as he saw me, he took off. It was a black police member (you know, one of the 28 working in the organization). In Attawa, they have a subtle way of saying that you are not wanted in the neighborhood, they feel entitled to ostracize people and, in their view, provoke an incident that requires a violent response ATTAWA POLICE ARE PENISES !

Since the police in this town are discreet white supremacist, black police members are forced to act as “uncle toms” ; serving their white masters or else be crucified in the media like Const. Jason Mallett who was a community minded member of police unlike his white counter parts or the suicide of Sgt Ghadban another non-white member of Attawa police. Police in Attawa will harass, threatened, charge and ultimately murder the members that
doesn’t fit the mold of white supremacy. I will mention that Sgt, Ghadban committed suicide in his office at HQ. Get the message? Any excuse is used for walking around with assault rifles bought with OUR MONEY!!!

I was searched on 29th of Sept. 2013 for dubious reasons, no charges.

When walking to and from work, I’d get almost run over by police “cruisers”.

On 24th Dec. 2013, a white pick-up truck aimed for me while biking back home from work at 01:15 AM and when I took the same way to commute back to work on the same day 11:30 AM, the same pick-up was waiting for me at the Esso gas station on Edgewater street. Attawa police are murderers!

PLAIN AND SIMPLE! Just looking for a reason to assault honest, working
individuals with no criminal past, mind you. F.U. OTTAWA! 



Happy new year, Attawa and F–K YOU!”


  “1965 anyone…… oh and since the O-Train is as useless as it can be, maybe the city will build a monorail to nowhere…..with that song blaring on the speakers! dullard attawans will clap and cheer, throwing their money in the wind, making it rain, as the saying goes. Veni Vidi Vici…..TABARNAK!!!”


“Indeed friend, Attawa is a piece of shit place to live….. Not only full of wannabe tough guys or hoodlums ( I mean come on, right….Get a grip Attawa…..this isn’t Chicago) The cops here are ridiculously over paid, harassing and covert white supremacist! (2% are non caucasian out of a 1400 strong work force) APPALLING!!!! With this ‘Mall Shooting Incident’ we will now be treated to a parade of ‘gym rats’ in uniform sporting AR-15s….Why the long face, sir? Isn’t this the wet dream or fantasy come true! Playing make believe GHETTO USA on the tax payer’s wallet! ATTAWA SUCKS BALLS—–PERIOD!”


“I absolutely love this post! I consider myself an open minded type and it is a dreadful, dreary, place to live. I’ve been living in Attawa since sept.1988. The city has changed tremendously since then. It used to be homely, comfy and service oriented as far as public insttitutions went. Now……It’s snobby, indifferent, cold and heavily prejudiced. SHAME SHAME SHAME on Attawans! The vast majority of friends and accointances are from outside the country or grew up outside this city. Attawans have the worst sense of perspective EVAAR. They are so intitled and self absorbed. I just wish I could afford to get the “F” outta here 4ever. THANX FOR THE POST—–RIGHT ON THE MONEY… and BTW, there is NOTHING wrong with grabbing a beer on a wednesday. Some of us actually work with a schedule outside of the monday to friday, 9 to 5 standard.”


“Thank you for your contributions to the sanity of the remaining non-lobotomized population of this wretched city. I wish you all the best in your attempts to extricate yourself from this miserable excuse for a “capital” of a first-world country”


“I could have written your block entry yesterday. I had major stare down by loser at my dentist office in the split second between coming into the office and taking my snow boots off. Dirty look at staring at my boots. What a creep. Then I drive down Merivale and cars turning left onto Merivale are blocking the entire lane of oncoming traffic since they’re pulling out into the intersection too late and traffic’s not moving (why one earth people have to drive 20kph on Merivale I will never understand). A light after light is missed due to this conduct, no one honks, nothing. If you honk at illegal behaviour in Ottawa, YOU are the aggressor. I hate this place so much and I’m counting down the days”


“Great column! The driving has always been atrocious here. The locals used to use Carling Ave. as a drag-racing venue back in the sixties. Because, using a main drag where pedestrians could be put in harm’s way, was, apparently, the logical and fun thing to do. And also, showing one’s ignorance in dramatic fashion is a sort of rite-of-passage, here. So goes the well-known adage goes, “you can take the Ottawan out of the sticks, but you can never get the sticks completely out of the Ottawan.”


“I lived in Ottawa a few years…hated every second of it and got the heck out. Not just Ottawa…I got out of Ontario/Quebec. What a dump. Worst weather imaginable and no ocean, waves, mountains, beaches. Everything in that region is so lame. I cannot stress how much I loathe the weather and geography in that part of North America. And the way the French bully English speakers is appalling. Only regret is not leaving sooner. Ottawa is just a sawmill town that won the lottery. Nothing there but French speaking government drones, dumb immigrants, and even dumber Anglos, too stupid to move West”


  “I’ve lived here going on four years and have tried my best to make it work. The fact is I like the city less every day. Ottawa boosters sadly believe that their provincial backwater is a major city. It is not. Here is the impression of someone from coastal BC who has also lived in Washington State, California and Québec (Montréal):

– Ugly downtown streets: Either chocked full of aggressive busses and white trash smokers during the day, or depressingly vacant at night. No (or few) street trees

– Bleak neighborhoods with low property-maintenance standards; even expensive Glebe homes need significant reno work. New homes are cheaply built with vinyl siding and asphalt driveways (and no trees). Old ones if renovated are done on a shoe-string budget and look cheap. Horrible landscaping.

-Bizarre driving habits–people thinking nothing of blocking major roads to selfishly make left turns, refusing to pull into intersections when waiting to turn left (meanwhile making other cars miss lights), and suddenly finding the gas pedal in major neighbourhoods and blowing through despite pedestrians including elderly, children, and pets. Real asshole mentality.

– Constant raving amongst urban “elite” about overpriced and extremely mediocre restaurants. Best restaurants are in the suburbs.

-Deeply-ingrained municipal “can’t do” attitude. Corrupt municipality. Absence of community police. 

– Pathetic signature university – OttawaU – where bilingualism trumps academic merit. Much like public service approach to bilingualism. 

-Decades behind on public transport. 

-Much more horrible climate than locals will admit. There are many better climates within Canada. 

-Knee-jerk anti-Americanism, yet ask a local when they were last in Vermont (so close by) and they’ll tell you they’ve never been! 

-Sparks Street speaks to the lack of ambition and imagination in this city.

-Outside the Rideau Centre is truly third-world. I won’t go there and wonder what Nordstrom was thinking (even though I’m thrilled they’re willing to give Ottawa a shot). 

-Anyone who is dynamic is planning their exit strategy. Only true losers or those with family also trapped in Ottawa want to live their after retirement.”


  “Born and raised here in Ottawa, did what many do, got a decent degree, got a gov job, a wife and kid and a house in the berbs. Travelled abroad a few years ago with my wife, saw life outside and thought Ottawa oh hell North America in general sucks. Been overseas yearly since then sometimes with my wife other times by myself just cause I cannot stand to not atleast experience a better life even if only for a couple of weeks. Why dont I leave, well the hardest part is giving up a gov job. The pension is only a few years away, once it does, I am gone within a few days of it kicking in. Done with Ottawa forever aside from a few visits to family that will sadly remain here. To those locals who love this city, great good for you, but try travelling and staying in a few cities overseas and try living life as a local and you will never want to set foot in Ottawa again. I found heaven in Italy, and if all goes to plan, it will soon be a reality and Ottawa will be a memory that I used as a means to get where I really wanted.”


“A friend of mine who worked with street kids said that the Ottawa version were well-known as being far more violent than the Toronto or Montreal ones. When we first moved here a few decades back, I was shocked to see that there were hundreds, if not thousands of guys like the angry fellow in this video: A few decades later and things have improved (believe it or not) but there’s still a lot of angry, barely civilized people in this city. Part of the culture, especially among the ‘locals’ is stuck back when they built the canal under poor working conditions and feigning being a tough guy was the best you could hope for. There are still people here who are about as anti-union as you can find anywhere in the world. Things are improving, but according to Ottawa time – very very slowly”


“Sweet fucking god please get me the fuck out of this hell hole this year before I stab my eyes out with a fork and then slit my own throat to escape” THAT was my daily prayer (actually I no longer pray since I gave up on my faith while in that HELL HOLE!) while I still lived there. I have made my life’s work to leave, there was no alternative, I was basically willing to work hard and do WHATEVER it takes to leave Can-nada. Now I live in the United States of America. Yes, there is LIFE here. Enough said”


“I have lived in that hellhole for twenty years! I basically grew up in Ottawa, and as a none white person it was nothing short of living a nightmare. I truly sympathize with anybody living in that horrible place. Ottawa is like a horrible-time-wrap-experiment gone wrong, from the 1970s. I now reside in the United States of America, yes, I waited my time and quietly left that hellhole. And the difference for me is life and death. I left to save my sanity”


Every single comment so very on the money about Ottawa . I am so relieved I am NOT alone in my perception of this horrible city .”


“Could not agree more with every comment on here. Glad I’m also not the only one!


“I totally agree.

I am out of this SHITHOLE as soon as I am able to.
I HATE Ottawa , its the place you go to die.
Ottawa should be renamed BORINGVILLE .
I’ve sadly lived in SHITHOLE Ottawa for 13 years.
Never met such People as the People who live in Ottawa.
Conversation topics = beer hockey beer hockey or weather . Damm don’t these People read? 
Maybe they should read Noam Chomsky, Freud, Yukio Mishima, John Pilger, WB Yeats, Francis King, Aleister Crowley, Colin Wilson etc.
Would give them something a little bit more interesting to talk about, oh I forgot they only like beer hockey and shitty weather LOL.


“Crappy and expensive restaurants and pubs for food. The only place I like and really like is The Prescott!


“Thank God! It’s not me. I don’t have a “bad attitude”. My husband has lived all over the world and came here for ( drumroll…) WORK. My grandfather came here for… work. My father came here as he was fleeing a dictatorship. He thinks it’s fantastic! I don’t! I hate it here. I’ve been stuck in this hell hole for 43 years. People stay here because of golden handcuffs. The “Ottawa Allowance” or ” Northern Allowance ” paid by employers so you will fritter away the best years of your life in an intolerable climate, with equally cold people, depressing streetscapes and architecture and now…. expensive taxes and housing, too? Thank God, we all have our EU Citizenship. We are out of here. Time is the real commodity, people… not money.


“It is good to find this blog and to know I am not alone in my dislike of Ottawa. It’s sad to think that a blog must exist just to help people survive this wasteland. I have been here almost 3 years and I am so happy to be leaving in a couple of months. I too have lived in several countries and other parts of Canada. Ottawa is a soul destroying place full of narrow minded people with a strange sense of entitlement. Don’t make jokes they have no sense of humor and will look at you blankly or be offended. There is absolutely NO culture or creative vibe here. It is a completely risk adverse place where independent thinking is frowned upon. I’ll be burning rubber out of here soon never to return.


“You are sooooooooooooooo lucky to get out of shithole Ottawa. I am saving up so I too can get out of shithole Ottawa. Living in this boring city is truly a NIGHTMARE.


“Every time I have to come back to Ottawa from vacation I cry. I hate Ottawa. I moved to Toronto but I have to go back to Ottawa because of family and I just want to die after 2 days of being back. It’s SO DEPRESSING. Everyone’s so by the book. All work, no play, no fun, no life. No wonder I started travelling young!


“These comments are hilarious. So accurate. I have been in every small or big town in Ontario and Ottawa is by far the worst, maybe other than London or Windsor…sorry guys. I have lived here my whole life and it is a city that breeds unhappy people. no one is open to change, or give people chances. you want an entry level job? sorry man you need two years experience. uhhh what the fuck? the whole mentality is this pompous elitist entitled fuckery where no one is good enough but everyone is better than the rest. makes sense right? 

coldest, rudest place to interact with humans. my lovely girlfriend moved here to be with me and quickly learned that the peopel here are just awful. dont even try to have a conversation with someone or ask for help at a store. i wont even start on how fake the poeple here are, do we have to make links about the whole fucking ordeal? cause ottawa had the highest sign up rate on earth.

want to use public transit? be prepared to shell out AT LEAST 2000 dollars per year, not including the INSANE amount of time you have just spent attempting to use said transit. tip: buy a piece of shit car and save yourself an average 10-15 hours a week of bussing in good weather. apartments are insanely expensive and most landlords are scum bags. ive had two rent deposits stolen after being told i was accepted and then fucked over. 

this is the scary part:

the average apartment in ottawa costs just under 1000 dollars per month for a one bedroom, not including utilities or bills. 
In order to be considered as an acceptable applicant, one must have an income that is over three times their annual rent value. ie: your rent is 1000 dollars per month, you need to make 36,000 dollars per year to be considered for your shit ass, smelly, poorly kept apartment. WHAT THE FUCK. 

Minimum wage here is under 12.00 and you can stop kidding yourself if you think youre getting anything more than that here if you dont have a university degree in government fucking ass licking, let alone find a job in the first place. this city has the highest unemployment rate its ever had! 

but of course none of this can be addressed because then it would be real and the city would have to do something about it. save yourselves children. go to school somewhere else, go live somewhere else. this world is too big to sit and live in a dreary, unhappy city.


“OMG, what a relief to see SO many people hating Ottawa! I just returned to Montreal from Ottawa. WORST city everrrrr!! The bars sucks, people seems to have a stick up their asses. Everyone seems to be LOVING “the market”, which completely sucked balls too. I went to the Rockcliffe Boathouse Marina – a BUNCH a snobby peeps, wannabes, food was disgusting too!! No cultural diversities much as well! I thought Ottawa would be better than Toronto, now, I know that TO is def better than Ottawa!! Will probably never go back to this city!


“Yep, this city is trash and so are the people who live here. I’m a gay dude, average looking at best. I can’t walk anywhere without being psychotically stared at/called a faggot/threatened with violence all over minding my business. Fucking warped and morbid values people have here. Extremely superficial and lacking in human decency. I’m always confused when on the rare occasion I’m met with kindness from a stranger.


“Yes anon is sooooo right…a boring politically correct, unimaginative rat hole! Transit station elevators always out of service, smelling of shit and urine. Buses always late. A mayor who never rides the buses but who constantly spouts politically correct jibberish about how things will be so much better when (and if) the lrt is built….no spaces for public music or entertainment…everything revolves around the federal government…no industry…a giant golf course with nanny state twerps shouting orders on transit public address systems..almost orwellian in its cold, calculating monotony…the poor are simply ignored…bmws mercedes benz and other high priced vehicles racing around the streets at top speed without regard for pedestrian safety..any self-respecting person would be well advised to leave this shit hole..for good!


“Have lived here for 35 years of my life. Have visited Calgary, Banff, Montreal, Toronto, Baltimore, New York/Brooklyn, and Florida. Ottawa is by far the coldest, rudest, most stuck up place of them all. I can always tell a newcomer or tourist just by how friendly or outgoing they are in public. Growing up in the 80s and 90s, it was a boring, bland government town, but seemed cleaner, safer and had decent city services. Now its a boring, bland government town that is dirty, unsafe, full of gang activity, swarmings, shootings…Herongate, South Keys, and Bayshore are basically ghettos. And the Byward Market is overrated.


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Typical Ottawa: lousy Senators/ bragging about being in the capital city/ obligatory filming of down town (since the rest is too ugly)/ promoting the dump/ lying about it being safe and affordable/ very honk.