Comments from immigrants about their regrets in moving to Canada. My comments at the end.
It’s been 4 months that I have moved to Canada as a Permanent Resident – the coveted tag that almost every other Punjabi is after these days. And, believe me – life here is not a bed of roses as everyone pictures from far.
And, there are plenty of reasons for the same:
The cold weather!!! – As soon as you land, you feel the chill in the air (I felt it even when it was the ‘so called SUMMER” for Canadians – the month of May). I had to wear a jacket on the first weekend while going out with my friends.
The laid back lifestyle – Trust me when I say that we people are far more active in our home countries than people in Canada. You see people with a far more laid back lifestyle and attitude in this part of the world.
Job struggle – I pity those people who come to Canada and believe they can earn big bucks; especially those who leave their well-paying white-collar jobs in their country. Job struggle is immense here. Recruiting processes crawl at snail-speed. Forget about reaching to the recruiting phase, most of the employers will reject you because you don’t have the ‘Canadian work exprience’. It’s like a polite way of saying ‘screw your hard work and experience that you did in a multinational in your home country. Canadian work is above and beyond that!’
Too many INDIANS – I am an Indian and I love my home country, but seriously if I had to get the feeling of living in the middle of India why would I move to Canada? There are so many Indians (especially Punjabis in the GTA and BC – the most livable parts of the country) that not even for a single day you will feel you are out of India.
PSS – No hard feelings, it is a personal choice. But, trust me it is not worth it to leave your friends, family, and life!!!
Thank you, everyone, for such an overwhelming response to my answer. I did not expect it at all.
For all those who think that I hold something against Canada or people from my own country (so-called DESIS), well I don’t have anything against it. I simply mean to say that it is personal choice for everyone. I like the country, I like the calmness that it brings, and I love cleanliness. However, there are somethings which did not appeal to me, just like for many of you quite a number of things from back home do not appeal. It’s just my personal opinion and point of view. For all of those saying I should move back, well I will when the right time comes but it is not now. Canada is a beautiful country, but not for everyone, and not everything is laid here on a bed of roses, it has its own struggles that every country has.
PS – the winters have just begun, I am already feeling the chill.
Note: When I wrote this answer initially, I received a lot of hate comments that after a few months I will start praising Canada etc. etc., and I will never move back. To all those comments, I’ve moved back to India. And, I’m happy to be part of this Cosmic Chaos we love
I will try to answer this from my own personal perspective, and from the trends I have seen in Canada after I moved to Toronto:
People are nice, but not all, further explained in cons.
Society is more tolerant of immigrants.
Gun laws are stringent, and gun violence is almost non existent.
Immigration is easy.
You will not feel alone, there are people from all ethnicities.
Racism exists but is not to the levels that it will suffocate you.
Medical costs are low, you still need insurance for dental, vision, and prescription coverage though.
Water is cheap, electricity is cheaper than most places I have lived in.
Air quality is very good, very less pollution.
It is a very beautiful country. I love going on long drives.
Job experience from anywhere outside Canada is not considered. You will start fresh and will need to climb the ladder again.
If you don’t have references, forget about landing a decent job.
Everything is expensive in quick comparison to US.
Cars are expensive. Car insurance is super expensive.
Housing is out of reach in Toronto and Vancouver, where 90% (ok more like 70%) jobs are.
Medicare is painful when it comes to emergencies. Imagine waiting nine hours in emergency with a broken bone while doctors tend to a teenager who got bad throat due to excessive smoking but can fake pain better than you can. No, they don’t prioritize in most cases. And if you want to see a specialist, better be prepared to wait for months for an appointment.
Racism exists, not as bad as US, and some people are frustrated with influx of immigrants.
There is a big gap in immigration policies and the mindset of employers.
Weather is extreme enough to kill you in minutes in most of Canada.
You cannot save. Taxes takes almost half of what you earn.
Sales tax is extremely high. It was 15% in Ontario, which has been reduced to 13% now. This is what you pay when you buy anything, or any service.
Public transportation is extremely expensive. Travel is expensive, both domestic and international.
Some people I have encountered were extremely rude, they actually topped the charts of rudeness compared to some other encounters in US, Europe, and South East Asia.
Gas prices are one of the most expensive in the world. A litre in Vancouver costs about $1.60.
Very bad roads, they’ll kill your suspension and tires if you are not careful. This is due to bad weather.
Food is expensive, eating out is expensive.
Liquor is twice as expensive as in US, don’t forget to grab a bottle from duty free.
Most important, salaries are on an average 30% less than what they are in US, that combined with high taxes leads to no or very less wiggle room for savings.
So overall, it was a disappointing move. But that doesn’t mean that Canada is a bad country. It is a good country but comes with it’s own challenges like anywhere else. Depends on what you want.
I do not regret moving away from home and experiencing a new life.
But I do regret choosing Canada over Europe (I did have the choice).
Here are a few things I am sure the responses, especially the ones from those who have ‘just’ moved here and likely wrote the comments in their ‘high’ of traveling do not cover.
1 – The cold is deadly – and no one wants to admit it.
2 – It is cold not only outside, Canadians like to burn extra fuel on airconditioning and to freeze their indoor areas too, both in summer and winter (and yes there are only two seasons in Canada). There is not one day all year around when you can do your errands without having to carry a jacket or, ever thinking of wearing a skirt like I like to do – because the moment you step inside buildings it’s FREEZING (unless you are exercising). Although, I must say people do not dress to the weather, and if you have an issue with the cold, you will be always objectified ‘omg! You’re wearing too much! Are you cold?’
Look, winters are 8 months long here (Edit: when I say winter, I mean so long I need to wear knits, jackets, tooks and boots, if you go out with shorts in 10 degrees good for you, anything below 12 is winter to me and most people from mild climates). For at least 3 months, it’s below -15 (Edit: if anyone doubts this, they can track the weather and average temperature in various provinces, make sure you look at the ‘real feel’ value too. Unless you are in Windsor Ontario or BC, this is what it is, if not worse). You need a car. You need a really good home with proper heating, and still your social life is brought to a minimum during those months. Now, let’s see what happens when you are a broke student who lives in the burbs and cannot even dream of having a car. I live downtown and it’s a 15 min walk to my school (nice eh?) when it’s -40, I do mind having to walk 15 mins.
3 – It is super expensive. Rent goes up ridiculously every year. You could look it up if you wished, but I am half-certain that Canadians pay the highest price for phone and internet services in the developed world. Other expenses are high too, compared to many countries – and it’s not like you get a top-quality life for the expensive things you spend money on. I am talking about a single person who cooks their own meals, does not even drink and, does not spare money on anything other than necessities.
4 – Public transportation SUCKS BALLS. I know most people around the world like to talk about how punctual buses are in Canada because if they do not pick people up in a timely manner people could freeze. That’s an utter lie. And on top of that, the reach of each city’s transportation system is very weak. Unless you live in the downtown area (which makes it easier just to walk or bike rather than having to wait for irregular buses for unknown periods of time) chances are you will have to spend 2+ hours on transportation every day just to get to where you work or you go to school. Most of the cities do not have metro (subway) and again when they do, the beauty of it is only when you are in close distances to the core downtown. Otherwise, the metro will never get you to the inner cities, and you will have to switch to subsidiary buses that… again will get you to wait… and wait… and wait.
Intercity transport is also awful, a monopoly and, expensive. I do not know if there are any countries left around the world with such a disconnected transport system – especially given how far apart everything is in North America.
Never mind internal flight prices. I don’t want to even start writing about Air Canada.
5 – Relationships are overrated, and talking about the ‘physiological need for sex’ is the centerpiece of reasoning for inquiring one. The dating scene is an absolute bogus mess, which comes down to women chasing men, hopes of sharing the rent, or otherwise being pointed at as ‘not getting enough sex’ and ‘not having a man’ (sometimes I wonder if it is the 1800s and the age of getting wedded is 16). People move in in a matter of days of knowing each other and move out in a matter of a couple of months. By the late 20s, anyone you meet has been through divorce(s) or separation(s), likely has kids, usually still ‘hangs out’ with their exes(you are likely to learn about the grisly truth only after you have invested yourself emotionally in an unworthy narcissist too hard). Everyone you meet is bitter and cunning, only looking for another partner to suit their economic imbalances. People put up with cheating partners very often, and internalizing these standards, at least when you are super lonely, comes next. You’ll be surprised.
(I generally would not suggest a single person who is interested in dating to come here. If I ever do recommend Canada it’s to couples. If you have kids you will get to raise them in safe, ugly neighborhoods where they never play on the streets – I don’t know why? It’s safe, it’s super flat and begs for two gates and a soccer ball or hockey puck- and you will have to dump thousands and thousands of dollars on their daycare). I will not get into the cost of primary education. Not here.
6 – Unless you are an engineer or have an MBA or, if you are a real estate or car sales agent (or wish to become) forget about doing anything ambitious. You could have all the qualification in the world and work in Walmart and enjoy your 4 K salary with benefits (many people are happy with that and do put aside their goals and settle with having enough pay to get by as an ultimate). And if you refuse to work for years on years in a job for which you are overqualified, you are pointed at as a sloth who doesn’t want to work. Your success is measured by salary, pension, and mortgage, not if you are happy with your job (it’s actually the norm to hate your work). Ironically no one wants to talk about numbers when it comes to money. There is a presumption everyone’s wellbeing and financial condition is safeguarded by some godly ransom that they digged up from the graves of their ancestors.
7 – Dishonesty. The way [most] people do not tell you what they mean and confuse you with their actions and words is astonishing here. Barely anyone is straightforward, and humor is a lost word in Canadian English. Everyone seems to have a stick up their arse (and you will become like that too). People only open up after getting absurdly drunk – mainly for a few seconds before they lose the ability to collect their conscious.
(Edit: there is a general assumption that people in countries with Arctic climate and low-density populations have bigger bubbles around their selves, are more difficult to connect and are easily out of touch with their emotions. I cannot speak for Scandinavia for example, but, have heard foreigners from dense societies feel the same about them. Take this tho; emotional has negative connotations in Canadian English. So you know who you are).
8 – It’s boring (save for the hardcore advocates of outdoors sports – even though the temperatures are usually below standard for those too, I have heard skiiers from Scandinavia come here and are shocked how locals go out on days they would absolutely refuse to exercise outdoors). Other than the few main cities I’m sure you know which ones are and, their downtown areas only, the rest of the towns and the burbs and the cities are a copy and paste version of one another – ugly 70s style cement buildings, from an era where architects stopped being creative and erecting venues was likely left to road builders! City structure is inaccessible without a car and, is alienating.
Having fun comes down to bar hopping with teens (or grown-ups who like to act like they are still teens; super excited about being able to drink), in un-fashionable clothing, hearing some off-tune country music and watching girls throw up and drop like flies – because alcohol is the holy grail no one wants to be left behind in consuming it as much as possible (and guess what? it is also more expensive than anywhere I have been, U.S. Europe, South America). You cannot enjoy your drink, or socialize all without it if you wished – it always seems to me that there is a race in ‘how much’ you can drink, so to say, you have a place in the society!!!
I am an artist, and I have studied human sciences. This type of environment does not cultivate creativity. The level of artwork, presentation and access to creative means is bare minimum because people care too much about having a routine and a salary – because back to the point, prices are no joke here, norneither are your bills, your credit card or the mortgage etc. And the best way to secure those is being as predictable and average as possible. Art is regulated by the government, which is great in the sense that artists can have access to massive fundings; so long that they follow the government’s agenda which changes at every turn of the parliament.
9 – The food including fresh produce, snacks, prepared meals and pub/restaurant dishes is bland and tasteless (I do not really know what it is, the way the American groceries that are exported to Canada are grown? GMOs? The amount of sugar and salt that is used in food versus all the other spices that should be but are NEVER used?)
Edit: I accidentally came upon a source about proteins that indicated in North America some animal proteins (that are not naturally found in the structure of plants) are used for the growth of fruits and vegetables. I have also heard that many standards in agriculture and farming are way different from elsewhere in the world, whether these contribute to the tastelessness of food is for debate but surely modifications that are done to our food remain largely a mystery.
‘Affordable ethnic’ cuisines are limited to Thai and Chinese food. For the rest you will often have to pay 3 times as much.
10 – Get ready for wrecking accommodation, roaches, bedbugs, and mice. There are many many old residential buildings made of wood. Naturally, susceptible to all kinds of vermin. The hygiene level is also below my standards (and I am not fussy whatsoever). People very often do not seem to clean enough. Not all, of course. But it does not surprise me anymore that 50% of the times when I walk into a new place and I notice the clump of dust in the corners and uncleaned kitchen and bathrooms.
Also, bad landlords, awful landlords and absolutely psychopathic ones who own houses and rent it out for extra income and make the life of the tenant hell, are plenty. Unless you are living in a condo building, which is at least 1.5 times rentals and twice as expensive as shared houses, situations can rise easily.
Nature is great though. Again if you have the luxury of accessing natural sites by car. Freezing your ass camping, or, if you would like to go hiking and skiing – mainly in inhuman temperatures. This is all given the fact that you do find the time off to ever do something extracurricular.
11 -Universal Health Care: it’s there, it’s good, so long that you are not actually sick or require an emergency. I cannot count the number of times I have heard people they were kept in the ER for hours with no primary care, no drugs nor testing because there were no specialized doctors available to look at them (this goes from food poisoning to having a broken bone to anything else). I am not talking about medical mistakes. I am talking about a severe shortage of doctors.
Doctors, I mean specialists, literally flock to this country in the hopes of practicing their medicine away from their home country where they have to compete with several others. It is almost impossible for them to get back on the track with new qualifications they require to work in Canada as it takes a decade to get through the tests and everything… and guess what? Life costs money and they end up being taxi drivers – or whatever, not doctors anymore!!! (The taxi driver doctor is such a stereotype you cannot even keep a blind eye). Now, those doctors CAN, in fact, make a good living driving taxis or working in Walmart or wherever, but what do you think happens to people in need of special care?
Well if they are rich they go to the States, Europe or the Middle East, in emergency situations sometimes the correct diagnosis does not take place on time and they end up being slaves to the pharmaceutical industry for their lifetime.
Plus note that the Universal Health Care does not cover the costs of most of the highly specialized medical treatments – unless you have extra coverage with your work.
So, despite being a relatively healthy person you can enjoy regular checks with your family doctor, anything beyond that if you are not employed at the right place and do not have a ton of money to pay for treatment in the U.S. can be scary.
Hmmm…what’s the cancer rate in Canada again?
12 – Unemployment Benefits; I am not going to say it is awful to have help when you become unemployed (but I guess most governments in the world have something along those lines). It is relatively easy to get the few hundred dollar checks and it can cover some basic costs. But the thing is, those who actually rely on this money either torn apart native people, and you know that their conditions go back generations (again I am not going to elaborate on what has happened to the indigenous peoples of Canada, you do your research) and their unemployment in a colonial system that is not compatible with their lost traditions, is not something that can be fixed with a few hundreds of dollars per month, but needs a historical healing. The other benefactors are lazy entitled [often local white] people who do not look for work, do not accept low wage work, and do choose to beg on the streets (because they can collect some more from kind people who help them) while they reside in social housing or dirty cheap team houses. Often drunken bad-mouthed homeless people who are plenty in the richest cities of the country – you only need to take a 5 minute walk in downtown Ottawa or Toronto, for example, to realize poverty is not something specific to ‘the developing countries’. But interestingly, there are no videos or pictures showing this type of thing to the enthusiastic immigrants as ‘Canada’. No, Canada is not only its homeless people. Neither it is its national hockey team. But there are these issues here, like anywhere else in the world and the spotless imagery many people have of this country is simply laughable.
A middle-class worker who does pay some rent for a decent place and happens to become unemployed cannot really manage monthly expenses with this check the government sends. It is just a little help. It does not hold one’s life together unless one decides to move in a basement with 4+ roommates during the time he or she is unemployed – which can mean months. I do not propose the provincial governments should raise this pay, I am just saying those who move to Canada to get these benefits are very much like those buggers who soak up the money sitting on the streets acting like they need help while the real trouble of unemployment (however small in percentage) is draining students and real workers.
And last but not least International Higher Education: There is a humongous number of people who come to Canada as international students every year (I wrote my Ph.D. thesis about this, so this is only a glimpse of the facts I have come upon while writing. Rest assured, I have presented my research to the department of immigration and citizenship and they approved I had my facts right, so there). All around the world, studying abroad is encouraged and celebrated, especially is one gets into a highly accredited institution in the top universities that are mainly located in anglophone countries. Many of those who come to Canada are essentially pursuing this as a pathway for accessing immigration to Canada. Little they know the number of foreign students is so overwhelmingly high, and the information regarding their success in getting permanent residency is very scattered; the reality is the government of Canada recognizes international education as one of its most important economic assets (immediate expenditure of incoming international students earned about 12 billion dollars for Canada in 2016 ) but despite the available programs for immigration of students, the ultimate goal has never been to settle all of them .
Each international student pays up to 3 times the tuition fee the domestic student does (depending on the province) and funding (especially for foreign students) is becoming more scarce every year. Now while you might be experiencing all of the social aspects of life including the above-mentioned, before deciding to study in Canada you might want to check the job market from within – meaning people who have been through your field of study. Do not rely on the advertising university partners provide or the pretty pictures on university websites. Studying here is no joke and one is better to consider everything and more (including finding a good adviser who is not planning on being a dick to you for the entire course of your graduate degree) before committing to a program that requires great attention.
Also please note that an international student can not enjoy any of the government programs such as immigration services, health care, unemployment benefits etc. These only come to immigrants and citizens. Especially after an international student graduates, he or she is literally relying on a single paper called Post Graduate Work Permit. There is barely any budget dedicated to guiding this young and sophisticated bunch through the Canadian system.
EDIT: Now, don’t get me wrong. I do not absolutely hate my life (so please, be kind and save the philanthropic positivist advice, I’d prefer a proper mural or DJ gig lol – you see no matter how great I feel about myself, if I do not enjoy the social scene and do not wish to live the rest of my life HAPPILY in an isolated enclave, there is no way around it). This is not my diary or resume. And I have not included anything close to my day to day negative experience with matters such as underemployment, higher education fees, the art scene etc. These are my reasons that convince me, as per speaking to the general public, why I would have possibly chosen another destination – somewhere warmer with better urban architecture and a dense population – if I went back and decided to go abroad and explore the world at 24 (again, if you are here to represent Canadian patriarchy by hateful comments, you are simply on a wrong post, go read something that fulfills your agenda). Also, this is in the 2010s, Canada screens in almost only highly skilled technical work force and, I am in the arts and humanities. My experience would be incomparable to numerous people who moved here 30 years ago as general labour.
Canadians are very nice. They are welcoming and do not discriminate (often, as I have seen) against race or culture. There are very decent, respectable people I have met here. There are friendships I do cherish. But I do not think that I would have moved here for the sake of meeting these people. Especially for a person without their 1st degree family, life is very machine-like, disconnected here. You might not mind the prices if you are rich, and would likely be able to skip atrocious housing conditions. It doesn’t negate the fact that the industrial nature of everything resonates everywhere no matter what you do. People will not ever, never get actually close to you and at some point you give up trying to break the ice. And you will learn to do the same as them, and limit your relationships to thinking of them as professional networks which you will have to employ for career purposes. You will create your own bubble around yourself and you will either learn to enjoy it, or you will keep regretting your life choices.
P.S. These are my reasons for ‘regretting moving to Canada’. Things I have listed here have affected me personally. It is always easier to see things from a critical perspective once one has lived in different places. Nonetheless, these are my viewpoints as a foreigner; most of the times people who have lived all of their lives in their country of birth think their country is either the worst of the best. Yet, everything is relative.
I did and I left.
My background is somewhat different. I was born in the States, but my father is Canadian and my mother is from Europe, so I already had Canadian citizenship. My family moved to Canada when I was eight and I stayed until about a year after finishing university, then moved to the States after getting a job. A few years later, after working and going to grad school, some family issues came up and I had to move back. I wasn’t eager to leave, but I thought I would give it a shot and I was told that there would be plenty of jobs for me in my field, even though I did a ton of research and saw it would be tough. But I was fairly young at the time and I wanted to be closer to my family.
The move did not work out well at all and I soon regretted it. I had great difficulty getting any notice for jobs in my field. I knew I’d probably have to go down a few notches and prepared for it, but the only things I could find were call center and basic admin work. It was humiliating, especially after grad school and working some good jobs at some good organizations in NYC, a place from where my skills should have been transferable or recognized. In the few interviews I was able to get, I was told that I lacked “Canadian experience”, which has apparently become a cliche. At my last interview, the interviewer brought this up and I responded by telling him that I was way more qualified than he was to do his own job. I just didn’t care at that point and didn’t hold back. He agreed and said that I would have a tough time finding good work because lots of Canadian employers are biased against those who went straight to the States after college.
After that, I figured it was time to go and I moved back to NY.
Other reasons why I left:
I couldn’t stand the extreme cold.
My friends, whom I had grown up with, were all married and I was the only single person, so my social life sucked. It was tough to meet new people and I didn’t find the few people I did meet to be all that interesting.
Bad dating scene.
Even if I did end up getting a decent job, my career prospects would have been limited and there would be little chance for growth, so I wanted more diverse opportunities.
The anti-Americanism was a pain in the ass to hear. Canadians have a global reputation of being extremely tolerant and polite…except when it comes to Americans. A lot of it was just nonsensical and it’s a form of prejudice, full stop. It was annoying because I was born in the States and I hated hearing others slag on my place of birth. It’s also incredibly hypocritical to boast about tolerance (even defending intolerant acts by other, non-American cultures!) when practicing the opposite.
Political correctness overdrive. Now, I’m not in favor of insulting others, but the PC environment in Canada is stifling. I remember being told in school that we were to refer to “janitors” as “sanitation engineers”. What the fuck?! I can imagine it being worse now under Trudeau.
Lack of traveling options and I wanted to travel more. Canada is extremely expensive to travel from.
There are other reasons, but these come to mind right now.
Granted, I do think Canada is a good country and I don’t have any regrets about growing up there. For sure, it was a good place to grow up. It just didn’t work out for me as an adult.
Yes and I left after a year.
I’m European with engineering degree, top MBA and several years of international work experience.
In Europe, when I wanted to change job I got interviews with multinationals for jobs at what I consider my level (seniority and experience).
In Canada, recruiters told me directly that their clients wanted candidates with “Canadian experience” and that was the end of the calls. On the other hand, I had recruiters contancting me for low level jobs (telesales, help desk, etc.) saying that they saw my CV online and it was a great match.
It was quite depressing that in Europe I worked in consulting and multinationals but in Canada I was considered like a high school dropout.
I hear people saying that I should have toughed it out, take any menial job for some months, study an extra degree, etc. but why would I have to go through that when in many developed countries in the world my credentials are well regarded and I can get a proper job in short time and applying from abroad.
Bottom line, I had to spend a lot of money and time to move to Canada to be considered an unskilled worker, but other countries with the same quality of life will hire me directly from abroad and pay for my relocation expenses.
Yes! Think twice before taking this decision. Everyone says Canada has everything. But trust me, it’s not that simple to get that ‘everything’ here. First, it is indeed a long struggle to get a job (in your own field) which might take up to one year or even more and not to mention about the problems one gets without the “Canadian experience”. A lot of money goes into your daily expenditures. And even worse, sometimes people end up in landing survival jobs which pay you very less. And other than that, rents are way too much, even you live in a decent 1 room apartment. And I believe if you are having good jobs back home, don’t leave your jobs in a hurry. Plan for it wisely as India is also progressing at a good pace. Furthermore, you’ll be missing out your family, friends, social gatherings and all that that can never be compared with the money you make. If you’re earning decent there and are able to meet friends, family do not take take this step. Enjoy your life there. You’ll love your decision.
The grass always seems to be greener on the other side.
It was the right decision at the time when China was not a good place to be. Now that China has surpassed Canada in many aspects moving here is starting to feel like a big mistake. I’ve been in Canada for 20 plus years but not much as changed unlike other countries. Here are some major issues:
1.) The taxes are very high and become progressively higher as you make more money. So success basically yields diminishing returns and effectively punishes success and rewards failure. This lead to a huge brain drain problem where the most industrious Canadians move to the US where they are treated better.
2.) The universal healthcare is very inefficient. I’ve waited in the ER for 15 hours once. Getting a specialist could take months. Check-ups are not covered. You can’t even opt out of this system as they’ve made private health insurance illegal.
3.) No matter how much stellar work experience you have from other developed countries they won’t be recognized. I think they do this to protect local Canadians so they don’t have to compete with international talent. Very ironic as they set a very high bar for skilled immigration when they don’t even utilize those skills. There are doctors from Russia that end up as taxi drivers because their license and experience is null and void here. To me this is institutional racism.
4.) The culture is very much rooted in all the trappings of left-wing ideology. You are taught from a very young age to look at wealth and upward mobility with suspicion. There’s a general mentality of victimhood and entitlement. If you’re not successful it must be the fault of corporations or rich people. The gov’t is supposed to solve all your problems. I find this to be very demoralizing and depressing. I don’t think this is the message you should send to young people.
5.) There’s a drug problem on the streets. I’ve never seen so many meth heads anywhere else in the world. I’m not sure what caused this. Maybe the laws are too lenient towards drug dealing and usage? In major cities downtown you will find a lot of druggies panhandling for money. Mostly young people.
6.) The media is very biased. Almost everything reported on China and any other non OECD countries is 100% negative and nobody ever questions its validity. The exception is US, they are also viewed as evil. The people here see themselves as the good guys and the rest of the world is problematic or straight up unethical.
I think when we left China we thought we were escaping an oppressive regime to live in a democratic utopia. What we learned is that democracy may not be the best form of gov’t (even though they train you to believe it is) and western media does just as good of a job brainwashing their own people. The narrative Canada sells is not necessarily a reflection of reality. Perhaps freedom is just a concept.
Edit: I just want to add that I think the reason Canada sits on its high horse of ethics and points the fingers at others is because they only have one neighbor and it’s a friendly one. They have plenty of natural resources and low population. They never have to worry about starvation or invasion. It’s easy to be ethical when you don’t have to make the tough decisions to defend your territory and secure resources. It’s not fair for them to judge.
Don’t come to Canada with super high expectations or you will be disappointed quickly. If you have a great job with good benefits where you are, pls. stay there. A lot of high skilled immigrants I’ve met as an employment counsellor who helps to find jobs in Canada are demoralized as they can not find equal level jobs they left back home. Know this, your skills are not considered comparable. Period. You will start from the BOTTOM!
Discrimination exist covertly. Your accent, communication skills,your ability to convey knowledge/ experience in the Canadian context might differ from what You are accustomed to. You will have to be on top of your game. It might be about who you Know. Networking is sometimes key. Know your job description well. Interviews are not about knowing your skills. It’s also about that and more. Chance are you don’t don’t have appropriate answers. What they need, want to hear. Chances are you did not know what they want because you did not read, research and learn about the company and industry and job duties, you did not research the Canadian context of the job. It’s cumbersome if not prepared. Another idea per my experience, remove countries you’ve gained experience or worked in from resume to gain attention clear and void of what’s deemed foreign experience, not canadian experience.
I came here in 2007. I speak well. Even with a good amount of good American accent in Canada, unless nervous then it shows. I know my shit! In fact my name could never tell that I am black, African. I get the interviews but once they are my black face, all else changed. So beware folks! Unless your life is threatened in your country. If you have respect in your profession and a good job where you are, stay put. North America, Canada is no joke for those educated people, secure in your knowledge, you will have to start from the begining even with Phds. Medical doctors. Master’s from abroad… think carefully before you come! Consult an employment counsellor and even they can not predict your future. I have been there. Just saying!
Yes, Canada is a regretful countrt. There are some realities you should know before moving here;:
1.) Not many white collar jobs in Canada – Canada has lot of jobs to be filled but mainly blue collar ones like cleaners, plumbers, taxi drivers and so. Canadians don’t want to do it. They need immigrants for that.
2.) FreeHealth Care is a fake propaganda. You have to wait for months for tests and reports and follow ups take another sweet time. Surgeries wait time could be 1–2 years. Dental not covered.
3.) Health care is NOT actually FREE. Canada is a socialist country – high taxes and low income. Those taxes are used for the health care. I used to pay a tax of $13,000 per year in the US while on same income I am paying $22,000 per year in Canada. Imagine, I could buy the best insurance for those extra $9,000 taxes in the US where even comestics will be covered and treatment will be lightening fast.
4.) People are COLD – People will greet you but will never talk to you.
5.) Toronto has many problems – Expensive and crowded. There is a lot of competition for jobs because a lot of skilled workers are willing to do your job on darn cheap rates.
6.) Vancouver is worse – One of the world’s most expensive cities. You will have to live in basements. Not many jobs. North Van is littred with drug dealers and criminals.
7.) Calgary and Monteal– Calgary is empty and cold. Most of the jobs are oil and chemicals. Monteal is french dominated and racist.
You can Google all my points and will come to know that all are real.
If you wish to come to Canada, make sure to come with the right mindset and keep yourself prepared for some realities.
As an immigrant, I do not regret it. Because my options are limited. The US is impossible to get into but still with lots of social problems. Australia seems ideal but also impossible to get into in terms of immigration. New Zealand seems amazing but jobs are even more scarce and probably too isolated.
This country feels safe and the fact that the country is solid, rich in natural resources and hydro resource is a good selling point. It’s a good hedge against global warming and the upcoming water shortage. Also, there are no natural disaster.
Although, it does get cold and for far too long. Every winter I wonder why I haven’t moved to Australia. But anyway, I wouldn’t have made it for Australian immigration requirement.
Being a visible minority, it is much better than the US as a whole, although you could argue that pockets of the US are just as good.
I was living in Austin, TX before coming to Montreal and I do miss Austin, though. Now, that’s a special place.
Additional : Austin is way friendlier than Montreal is and stress-free.
Anecdote : The other day, I was in downtown Montreal and I was not being very attentive and I got in the way of a pedestrian on a sidewalk. I ran into her. I wanted to go inside a pharmacy. It was my bad. It was my fault because I should have waited for her to pass, but I was too focused on getting into the pharmacy that I didn’t see her and bumped into her. Before I had a chance to say “Sorry” that lady didn’t stop and decided to just push me away – not too hard but still – and swear in French “ tabarnak hostie calice” with a nasty look on her face. I got angry, too. I swore at her, too. “What the fuck is the matter with you?” as she charged on.
That kinda thing would never happen in Austin. First of all, no one is walking that fast. Second, no one is that confrontational. If anything, they would have just let me pass first or apologized that I ran into them.
This is just one experience, but there are countless times I’ve witnessed Montrealers giving attitude to each other in public. People are generally not as nice as Austinites, even between friends.
Maybe it’s a Quebecois thing. Quebecois are considered to be ruder than English-speaking Canadians. But coming from Austin, it is a shock and not a pleasant one.
YES and a lot
Its been 8 months since I moved to Canada. I moved here because my brother studied here before. My expectation is Canada would be fun.
First 3 months
I am just doing well. I usually stay in isolation in both my home country and Canada. I really got bored of the study here because it has low standard of education. I miss my study and my friends and teachers from my country because they were much more interactive and much more friendly. I like western food so it is pretty good.
Next 3 months
I got bored of the food. There is nothing fun to do. Everything is expensive. I feel homesick. I hate my dorm neighbors as they are some nasty dirty people who don’t take baths and pee correctly. After complaining, I was said to be ‘discriminating’ dirty people and clean people. Fuck you Liberals, its for everyone’s good. These people will get discriminated and isolated if nothing is done. And the smelly people did get isolated now. My life is hell because of my room is right in front of the toilet. Some rules doesn’t make any sense in the school either and things that are allowed are questionable.
the recent 2 months
The only thing that keep me alive from losing appetite is Tim Horton’s chili and Indian foods. I might try to get Mexican food later. I can finally go home this March. I feel relieved that I could cause Coronavirus wasn’t a major problem in my country.
It is pretty peaceful and laid back place as a student
Everyone is pretty friendly.
I like being isolated
As there are majority in the minority, most of them only group up with their own people. And a very different nationality might not make easy friends.
Boring, just awfully boring. I might have experienced Paris syndrome.
The food is getting dull day by day.
The toilets in dorms may be more disgusting than public toilets in my country.
The society tolerates smelly people but individuals don’t. And school authority doesn’t help them.
Sometimes yes! I do regret it.
I see my paycheck and almost half is gone to tax
I see restaurants & shopping bill and 13% taken by sales tax, (worst indirectly forced to give 10–20% tip) actual food cost 100$ then + 15$ tip cost + $15 sales tax, total cost 130$. Ridiculous!
I see property tax bill
I see high rate of car insurance cutting from account
$120 license plate renewal just to drive car on road every year
I pay $5 dollar per month to keep my bank account
Almost no interest rate given on saving
it’s like giving away almost 60% of your salary just for income tax, sales tax, property tax & tips.
no saving at all after paying all tax, it’s hard to think young generation to buy house in Toronto
I see government is working on getting back ISIS terrorist into Canada and justify it [Edit: All people in comment, just do a simple google search]
I see tax money are used to give funding for Catholic school and these schools have more facilities than regular public schools [Edit: I was misinformed for Islamic schools in Mississauga, I have remove that)
I see weather going down to extreme low, I was stuck in -33 last year with my Hybrid car’s alternator died and my car stop working. Getting stuck in winter is crazy. Winter here can kill you within minutes if you are not prepared for worst. Just think medium/major accident in -33 Celsius. Person would die of cold before the injury. Now I started doing work from home or leave when temperatures goes below -25.
I see few feet of snow
waiting for 20 hours in emergency in pain for appendix surgery
I see malls & shopping places closed on public holidays
I find few places open at mid night food
I am asked fake questions like, How are you? and asker don’t have any intention to hear the answer or never meant but asked just a habit. [Edit: fake culture developed around being so-called NICE, read this opinion of international student, easy to relate.
I find people saying sorry or apologizing but not meant it
Above reason makes me think of I should get Canadian Citizenship and move to USA on TN visa.
While, below reasons stops me doing that,
almost everyone in Toronto area are immigrants, white/black/brown/asian
most Indian things are easy to find
lots of Indian restaurants
Celebrates all Indian festivals
Education is good compare to USA
healthcare is free, it’s beneficial for non-emergency visits to physicians
health insurance is far cheaper than USA
Long post alert.
There were edits made after few comments from my friends in Canada to add more details. This makes this extreme long post from long post.
This is not to discourage people from moving to Canada but to rather help them take right factors in consideration.
Yes, I regret moving to Canada. I moved from India’s most happening city ‘Hyderabad’ from one of the Big4 firms. That being said, neither am I a high flier nor someone who draws high/exorbitant salaries (upwards of 1 lakh per month).
Unlike many, I did not spend a fortune to come here or spend dizzying amounts of my savings. Yes, I did spend significant portion of my savings, it is not just that high when I compare it to my peers who moved here with their families and are still trying to get a job.
Did I not get a job here and is that the reason why I regret?
No– I did get a decent paying job in my area of expertise within 3 months. No qualms here. It is just good networking/ referrals/ family friends who helped me get a job.
Was I not able to accommodate to the culture/ are people not good enough?
People here are extremely friendly.
My friend who I knew from India who got a job here before I came to Canada was more worried about me that I was not getting a job.
My friend’s brother’s best friend’s wife helped me get the job. Let that sink in. I was that lucky to have such a great friend and such lovely people here. I cannot thank them enough. They are like my extended family now.
Why do I regret?
When I was researching if I have to move to Canada, I considered a few points to make the move.
I thought free healthcare, eh, how many countries in the world would do that?
My research was wrong.
As cool as it may sound, it is very slow. I had to wait for a week to get an appointment for an ultrasound scan for my wife because she is suffering from stomach ache. God knows what would happen if the cause is diagnosed after some damage already happened.
If I was in India it would have been done in a few hours. The cost even if I would have to bear it will be very small. Doctor visit in a walk-in-clinic+ Ultrasound+other tests+ medicines would have cost me at the most 3000 INR (60 CAD).
Just FYI: The cost of a colonoscopy in Asian Institute of Gastroenterology (the most famous hospital) where even Prime Minister of India had his surgery costed me INR 2000 (40 CAD).
I was covered by my company back home for 5 lakhs per annum. Not just me, my wife, my parents and my future kids. Now 5 lakhs is only $10k. However, in India, any major surgery can be completed within 2 or 3 lakhs in a upscale hospital. My uncle had a heart attack and the total cost of 2 stents to be implanted in his heart was 3 lakhs.
My parents now are not covered by insurance in India. I will have to buy them an insurance plan.
If someone is coming from India and one of his considerations is free healthcare, think again- You are coming from a country to which even citizens from developed nations (mostly USA) go for low cost healthcare services.
Education for kids
Many studies placed Canadian schooling as the 2nd or 3rd best in the world. I thought it would be a great opportunity for my future kids.
I was wrong in my assessment. I misread the report. The studies consider public schooling system in the country for the rating. Yes, the public schooling system in India is pathetic. Do I really want my kids to join a public school in India? No.I would have had them joined in a decent private school. The education if not on par would at least still be on par with Canadian public school.
If you are coming to Canada considering this as a factor and you make good money back in India, think again- Private schools are really good in India too.
Who are we kidding? The rents are sky high. I knew that before coming here. However, I did not know that even to get a unit when someone is willing to pay the rent, it is never easy. I applied for 8 condo units and 5 apartment units, all of which rejected my application since there were more than 5 people who were bidding for the units and the house owner had a choice to pick from. The apartments buildings had a waiting list. I am talking about some decently maintained apartment units like the Morguard ones.
Now two of my friends got a place relatively fast forcing me to think again- if I am unlucky or considered moving during wrong time or if he is lucky.
I was trying to get answer to this question when another friend of mine mentioned me that searching for rent is like mini-job search here. You will need to put in as much effort as job search.
My search for job drained my energy. Right now, I am not ready for another round of energy drain.
I ultimately made peace with staying in a basement with my wife.
Canada has a housing crisis and most are not ready to admit it. Think again.
This is very specific to me. However, just jotting it down because there might be someone like me. I am someone who would draw energy seeing people. Imagine the number of people at midnight in Hyderabad and the traffic.
Now, the so called most densely populated Greater Toronto Area (GTA) during the most busy hours, is like Hyderabad during midnight. Such low is the population here. Heck, I have to walk at least 10 minutes to find some person in person and not in car. I feel like I am lonely. I landed in June, during summer, even then in downtown Mississauga, I hardly found people.
While some might enjoy the solitude, I feel like I am lonely sitting somewhere on the edge of the world.
Weather- Sun and Cold:
While I was in India, I used to curse my stars that it is so hot in India. After I came here I hardly see sun during winter (which started sometime in October- for me). May be it is for good. I am now realizing what I missed. I miss the sun.
The weather is a nightmare. I knew it is going to be cold. However, I am not prepared for this level of cold. Knowing is completely different from experiencing it. No, I am not considering staying out for extended periods of time. I am talking of walking from my home till bus stop (which is 2 mins, waiting for bus and then walking from Square one till my office which takes 10–15 mins). During the cold snap, it is hell. The cold is not bad, the wind during the cold is.
A little more detail:
Download a weather app, see the temperature, now scroll down and look at the section where it mentions about ‘feels like’. That is how it actually feels like.
I am talking of wind blowing to your face, it feels like it is cutting your face with a knife. Your body generates more fluids. Nose generates water and eyes too. Now imagine your eye drops freezing when you close your eyes to get rid of eye drops because you do not want to take your hand out of pockets. (Mostly in Jan and Feb- not like that everytime)
It is cold as hell. You cannot even go for a walk outside during winter without properly getting dressed. In India I can just go out even during the coldest day here with a pair of slippers and in shorts and a t-shirt.( This is during fall- not winter)
Am I chickening out at the first sight of winter?
What do you think is the favorite pastime of even Native Canadians (exaggerating a bit)?
What do you think is the favorite topic of conversation for small talk (very essential softskill here)?
Answer: Cursing the winter
Food (Eating out)
I get it. Canada is a multi-cultural paradise for food. There is no cuisine in the world that you will not get here. That is freaking expensive. A normal dosa for 12–15 CAD, dinner for two in a restaurant 30–40 CAD. Now before you jump the gun and say I am converting everything to INR and hence I feel they are expensive. Even when you think about in only dollar terms, it is expensive. Just to give you some context, imagine a time (15–20 years ago) when someone used to earn 5000 rs as salary. Now, when you go back to that time, how much was a dosa or a idly? Imagine the same in CAD now.
If you want to cook, it is normally not expensive even by Canadian standards.
Retirement is costly here. Canadian govt provides some pension that will be barely enough for you. Even if you earn 50–60k per month in India and invest a decent amount somewhere like Mutual Fund and likes, you can get a far better retirement in India. I am not even considering the family support system that you will get if you are in India.
Well, never considered retiring here. This is for people who want to leave India for good.
One area where Canadians bury their heads in sand and pretend like no problem exists. Not comparing it with India.
Freaking expensive. Even after you consider the low population density and operating expenses.
Cost $50 for a person(only sim) and low cost provider like Fido/ Freedom.
Friends and Family:
Let us not even discuss, I might cry here in office.
Are there only disadvantages?
There are many positives too.
The international exposure you get at work is international in its true sense. There is at least one national from each continent in my team where I work.
The work you do matters. You will immediately find the difference b/w the work you do on outsourced project and the work you do when you are the business. Exposure increases multiple fold. In India, very few get such exposure, usually restricted to someone from top tier B Schools.
Work-life balance- 8 a.m to 4 p.m
Pollution is very minimal (let’s just say non-existent if you are coming from India). Let me illustrate, go to the outskirts of Pune for trekking (may be into a forest), the AQI here is better than that too.
People are uber friendly. When I lost my way when I went to get my OHIP card, sensing I might be confused, this girl came across from the other side of the road, and asked me if everything was alright and if she could help me. When I told her my location, she opened her Google maps app (I did not yet take a phone by then), and guided me to my location, shared her number and asked me to contact in case of any questions. That’s the sweetest thing someone has ever done to me.
Canada during summer is paradise. Oakville and Burlington’s lakeshore road took my breath away. If that is what happened to me with some random area in GTA, I cannot guess how it is if I visit some real natural locations across Canada. I am sure they will put even well renowned world tourist locations to their place.
Am I moving back because of all of this?
Not right now!
I made a decision to move to Canada and before I move back home, I would want to make enough money to buy a home (1 CAD is still 50 INR) in India.
Someone asked why Hyderabad is great?! Found this article on the internet ..Here it is:
Also, another user commented that I am just whining:
For God’s sake, here is an article from insauga.com, one of the most referred websites of Mississauga for city’s news. This lengthy article talks of how dire the housing situation is in Mississauga and surrounding cities where there are any jobs available.
My childhood was in Korea, and I moved often in the past before settling here in Canada. Here’s my take on Canada, for better or for worse.
Living in Canada? Not Great, not Terrible either.
It really depends what you want to do. There are plenty of immigrants wanting to move here (for better or for worse). Canada is undeniably better than many other countries relatively speaking for many immigrants. Since the question is looking at Canada negatively, there are some I’ve experienced personally that supports this.
Canada is “NOT” nice; it is a nation of collective apathy on social scale much like a hotel; it’s nice enough to attract many people and it’s comfortable, but it’s generic and indifferent. Some see this as a con while some see it as a beauty. Hence, it’s much harder (especially for immigrants) to really mingle and blend it with locals in general.
It is far more expensive to live here in general, though it has universal health care to offset the gap between here and the States. Wage may appear better than the states if you just look at the magnitude of the pay for low-mid range salary, but CAD is generally 30% worth less than USD. The living cost in general is higher. So you have lower-paying wage and higher living expense. Not terribly great combo for people who want to be ambitious about financial success. And it happens to be that many immigrants take risk and move away from their home country to be more successful… so this trend will be discouraging to many.
Winter is a bitch in heat. Not only that it’s cold, it’s also dry and making it worse for skin in general. Canada is more isolated my geography in general, so excessive snow has far more detrimental impact than many US regions with similar climate. Bear in mind, this isn’t applicable to BC which is closer to California and climate is much nicer there and its humidity not shielded by Rocky Mountains like Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba oof.
Job is more limited here compared to the States due to Canadian market being smaller and business operation being more expensive in general. I don’t think Canadians taxes are particularly higher than the States in general, but there are definitely less room for tax avoidance here than in the states for better or for worse.
Less choices. If you want to live like a norm, this place allows you to do that easily. If you try to live above the norm (not just financially but in general), you will have harder time doing so… not that it’s illegal but it will be more painstakingly hard to find options or will cost you more (probably combination of both).
If you like average-just above avg lifestyle and enjoy slow-paced and calm mentality, I’d say Canada is a great place relatively speaking. But many immigrants want to be better or aspire for more and this isn’t the most compatible theme imo.
Personally, I don’t mind living in Canada. But if I become a much better asset (skill, employment options, etc), I would seriously consider defecting to the States (I’d come back here for vacation or grab some nice contract jobs here and there), but I’d say for a typical immigrant who aspire for more choices and luxuries in life… States have more to offer on avg.
Yes and I came from a developping country where poverty level is much higher than Canada and there are lots of corruption where I came from. The things I feel about Canada is that it is a socialist country in disguise of a capitalist country. The medical systems where Canada is proud of is broken at best. There are simply not enough resources to cope with the influx of immigrants. There are a lot of sham marriage from immigrants who try to bring their own village to Canada and never want to assimilate to the host but convert Canada into their own ethnic enclaves. In Brampton where I live, there are rampant abuse of the generous government programs and welfare designed to protect the poor and destitutes. Many people faked accident to claim disability benefits, many people collect welfare while earning hundred of thousands in cash, hiring international students illegally at half minimum wages. The job market for professional is extremely small and there are thousands of overqualified candidates for every job openning due to the government let in freely hundred of thousands of economic skilled migrants from all over the world to compete with Canadians.
It was the dumbest decision in my life.
I moved to Canada 3 years ago as LGBTQ refugee, and i was fooled by the human rights bs.
I left behind a house, good financial status, running business and high social position.
I have spent almost all my savings just to provide myself decent living. After being a manager and owner with 70 employees working for me the only jobs i can get is minimum wage. For what? Just to be an openly gay person and get married and establish a good life but that wasn’t the case. The weather is depressing, money has no value here,constant rise in crime rates, drugs epidemic
Imagine the average home price in Toronto is 700000 dollars.
If i have the chance to go back home i would pack up my luggage right now but i can’t, otherwise i will get prosecuted for seeking protection of other country and my sexuality.
The 3rd world continues are developing and cost of living is relatively low. Anyone who has a decent income my advice is just stay where you are.
I sort of regret. yes.. I used to live in the US.. Went back to India and lived with my family… I thought I could try canada for sometime but this place sucks you out and drains you If you dont have a network of friends and family… I did get a good job without much effort in a year or so… But, it took a toll on me as I thought that American experience would be respected.. THERE IS TOO MUCH NEPOTISM AND CRONYISM IN CANADA THAT IT BEATS INDIA! it is expensive here.. Housing in GTA is appaling. I wanted to be free of attachments- like car but without that it is hard to manage except in core downtown.. medical care is an eye wash. without a good job, and the insurance that comes with it, nothing is covered. In the process, I have lost muscle mass – completely out of shape thanks to all the stress..(due to this terrible weather and not being able to adjust; initial settling down stress etc..) I lost tons of hair.. wrinkles 😦 over all not a good decision.
If I look back, moving to Canada was a natural choice when I was moving, and I can’t regret it. However at a stave when you want to call someplace home,that’s where you start thinking how good of a home it is for you.
Well, it is dull. If you don’t have small kids to take to different activities, and if you are not into hockey or biking, it would be difficult to find a decent hobby if you are used to more cultured environment. You can learn French if you like languages.
I definitely miss more intellectual people environment in the US, people who have ideas, personalities, who are happy, goal oriented, well-read, honest.
I know people lie here and there. But I’ve never met so many deliberately lying people, lying in order to cover for something and just out of meanness than in Canada.
I had a boss at work, and when we had a reorg he was trying to keep his position and was throwing everyone under the bus. Well, he did not get what he wanted, and eventually his new employees literally revolted against him too. But I never experienced so pure lying.
Similar in other areas. I needed legal advice, and I googled several lawyers, and then retained one, but kept in touch with all. So one of them offered some services too, knowing I already had someone. They are not supposed to do that, it is against their ethics code. But that lawyer, Mr. Curran, seemingly wanted to make a buck. He bashed my retained lawyer, his firm, his work. He was telling me he will do better. He was telling me how impressive he is and how he ran for Parliament when he was young. Then the tried to make me sign papers to terminate the retained attorney, When I refused, he then emailed that attorney with lies that if I came to him to hire him. There are jokes about dishonest lawyers, but that Mr. Curran was real face of dishonesty and deceit. I always thought that educated people have some class. Not in Ottawa, not in the case of that legal professional. It’s like – no ethics at all. That was shocking and disgusting.
I briefly taught at a local university, as I did in the US. US students were honest and proud of their knowledge. In Ottawa I would collect bunch of cheat sheets during exams, and there was an enormous number of doctor’s notes before midterms and finals.
I had a landlord who was a slight racist and was always bashing some ethnicities.
I actually thought that with free health care, not much pollution, protected environment, people should be happy, healthy and positive. But by far I’ve met too many sleazy and deceitful professionals and just individuals.
But Canada is still in North America, and there are a lot of nice vacation spots in Central America and Caribbean you can visit for a good price, that’s a plus. Health care is free, but then you do pay some health tax anyway, at least in Ontario, as I know. The climate is horrible though.
Yes, I wish I had never come. I feel like I have wasted 10 years of my life ! I have made many efforts to have a meaningful life but nothing good or worthwhile came out of it. I haven’t met any interesting men, just extremely superficial and not interested in building anything serious on a private level. Outside daily responsibilities, my life is so boring. I have a hard time meeting genuine people. Nothing really deep or meaningful is ever found. The transit system is expensive and obsolete. Food is outrageously expensive. Alcohol is ridiculously expensive too and could not be bought outside LCBO until recently when the rest of the world has that option for as long as I can remember. It’s cold most of the year so it’s difficult or impossible to play sports except skiing and ice-skating . For all those reasons I want to leave but don’t really know where to go? Maybe find a country in Europe…
Yes! It has just been 2 Months Here. Trust me, All those Instagram and Facebook stories of your friends chilling out in Canada are just a face to hide the real life struggles.
From Budget Constraints to Winter Depressions to Sadly watching your loved ones chilling in India , There’s lot of Struggles Everyday. Fortunately, I am here just for One Year and trust me even this One Year Seems to be Eternity!
If You Have a choice to stay back In your own country, Don’t Put yourselves into this Difficult situation!
Yes, I regret moving to Canada and that’s why I decided to go back to my country.
I moved to Halifax Nova Scotia and life in Canada is not as easy as everyone else says. My advice to everyone who wants to move to Canada is to go there for one month and see how is that country before taking the decision to move there. Finding a job there is not easy, even more if you are an engineer, a lawyer, or any other professional degree; so forget about that because in Canada you will have to take survival jobs, your degree is junk for them.
The process for the residency is terribly long and burocratic, so migrating to other countries is much easier.
Don’t believe in all the lies that people say about Canada (I committed that mistake so I know what I’m talking about), go there and see it for yourself. My advice is to think in the US before Canada.
I have a friend. He is an engineer and he moved to canada, Toronto.
When I met him a few years later, he told me of his struggles there.
The chief struggle was securing a job. Canadian companies only hired canadians and only if they really couldn’t did they hire a foreigner. He searched for months. He is an engineer in singapore and a top rated one and he told me he was on the verge of APPLYING AT THE NEIGHBOURHOOD 7-11 ON THE OFF CHANCE THEY HAD A COUNTER JOB before he got a job as an engineer.
So u can imagine how hard his struggle was.
Canada has many opportunities for wealth and advancement . But in a large city like Toronto it is almost impossible to get a professional job. But you can try some business which many people succeed at.
Calgary is better for new immigrants as there are less people , housing though also expensive , is less than Toronto.
My experience is that for my children they have had better opportunities but there really is only your immediate family. You will miss the social and family togetherness and support and be really lonely especially as your children grow up, get married and raise their own family.
It is difficult to say whether moving to Canada is best. If your situation in your home country is terrible then you have more reason to go to Canada.
YES! I have and still do. I am of Turkish descent and was born and raised in Germany. I have lived in Turkey for about 12 years of my life and moved to Canada as a skilled immigrant in 2010.
The most important question you have to ask yourself is: What do I want in life?
If your answers are: Financial freedom, great career/income, adequate housing, good weather – then CANADA is not your destination.
My experience of Canada is quite limited to Vancouver BC. And to some extent Toronto ON. As you might know, these are the two major immigrant clusters in Canada.
Finding a good job/career with a good income is almost impossible if you don’t have Canadian credentials (it’s even hard with Canadian credentials).
Housing is terrible. You will be stuck in a 1 bedroom apartment that is extremely overpriced and pay at least $1600/month for nothing. You will share a washer and dryer with all the other tenants in your building. Apartments neither have the room nor the facilities to hook up a washer and dryer in your own place. If you want to have ‘the luxury’ of being able to do laundry at home, your rent automatically goes above and beyond $2000 easily (still a 1 bedroom apt though)! I don’t even want to get started on BUYING a house or an apartment. That’s impossible! Please refer to http://vancouver.craigslist.ca and check out the apartments and rentals ads.
SOLUTION: Go to college/university and get a new in demand career! ANSWER: GOOD LUCK! Now that you’ve immigrated here and are a resident, most in demand programs will put you on a waiting list for up to 3 years.
Let’s say you were lucky and got in – who is going to pay for tuition, fees, expenses, rent etc? Education is not free in Canada, and books are around $100–250 for each course. You must be available during the day because there are no night or evening universities here. Your BARE minimum monthly expenses as a single person here will be around $2600 (not including tuition fees and other school expenses etc). Edit: BCIT in Vancouver has part-time evening courses but unfortunately course availability is not guaranteed and they cost more or the classical waiting list issue.
HEALTH: Family doctors/general practitioners are readily available and you should be able to get an appointment in 48 hours. BUT if you need to see a specialist then things change. I once had to wait 3 months (not exaggerating!) to see a dermatologist. And when I saw him, he asked me to go and purchase the medicine and come back to have it injected by him again. And the next best appointment available was in 3 weeks. The same goes for cardiology, and it perhaps even worse.
WEATHER: Vancouver summers are amazing! 4–5 months of very comfortable and beautiful weather. But for the rest of the year: it’s raining all the time, it’s damp, it’s overcast, it’s cold. And this is the BEST weather you can get in Canada. Other provinces are -20 C.
FRIENDS/PEOPLE/NETWORKING: People are superficially friendly. Everyone will say hi, smile, ‘excuse me’s en mass. But when you really want to become friends with someone, they withdraw from you. ‘Real’ Canadians don’t like to be bothered – and most Canadians will regard a new friend as a bother. They’d be way happier to sit at home and watch Netflix and have a glass of wine, beer than meeting up with friends for some socializing. Dating is horrible too! I don’t even want to talk about it.
RESULT: So, if you’re really coming from a bad place/country etc. Yes, Canada might be an option. It’s definitely better to be in Canada than in a war torn zone or such.
But if your goals are financial freedom, great career/income, adequate housing, good weather – then CANADA is not your destination. I suggest the USA, Germany, Switzerland to some extent, Ireland (especially if you’re in IT/Software).
Yes. It’s too cold or it’s too hot. The people are nice but boring. There is no history. I wish I’d stayed home in Europe. But I came because my then-husband wanted to and now I have kids and grandkids here so I stay. I would love to have just stayed home with family all around me like my sister did.
I lived in Canada for a short time. I went there (Montreal) for 2 reasons. 1) I was mistakenly led to think that Canada was kind of a ‘lay back America of the 50s – 60s.’ It ain’t. 2) Canadians are easy going, somewhat naive fun loving people that were hardy and wholesome. They ain’t ( maybe some are…just like some Americans are). I expected Canada to be a lot like America and it is to some degree…But there’s still something different about it that I found uncomfortable. Nice place to visit…but I moved back to the USA
Yes in many ways.
It is too cold.You can get sick easily and treatments are costly.
It is highly expensive.Most of your income is lost and there are no savings.You might take loans in future.
Taxes are high.You spend a lot of money on taxes.
No social life.Bonding is less and you dont have enough time for it.
Tough to get a well paying job.You have to keep on searching.
Canada is good for immigrants but you will struggle for a long time.This is true for any western country.What is shown in social media is not reality.So think twice before coming here.
Canada is simply…
too BIG too EXPENSIVE too COLD too STRESSFUL too LIFELESS too BORING too REMOTE too DEPRESSING
The only good thing about Canada is that it toughens you up. You can then run for your life and get the hell out!!
Yes, I am regretting it now. Moved from US with a decent pay job offer. Things are quite different here, depending on where you are migrating from: high taxes, high cost of living – basically you earn in CAD but pay US equivalent prices ( i.e things are roughly 30% more expensive), long wait for basic medical services, brutal winters, gun violence is becoming common in some cities. It is better to spend your productive part of your life in US and then retire here…
I regret moving back to Canada. I should have just stayed in the UK but all my family is in Canada. The weather, the culture, the public transit, the people, the music the food as well as the traveling opportunities are all significantly better in the UK. Now I need to formulate a plan to move back there.
Someone was really butthurt back in the day and had a website called NotCanada that has since dissapeared. I was contemplating on emigrating from Finland, so I was looking at sites trying to assess if it was feasible, didn’t have that much money required back then so it never materialised, but I vividly remember reading this site and really thinking how bad it must be a person can put his energy in such rants.
Wayback machine didn’t have the url, but here’s ”Top 8 Reasons NOT to Immigrate to Canada” taken off that site that might give you an idea of the unhappiness…. *** Visit: www.NotCanada.com ***
8. Discriminatory and Dishonest Immigration System. Immigration to Canada is based on a point system, obtained with your education, qualifications and job experience. Points are good enough for immigration, but in Canada, they are not good enough to get a job in your field. Amazing, how the credentials that qualify you to come to Canada are the same credentials that don’t qualify you for your profession in Canada. The reason is, Canada only wants immigrants to do the labor jobs – pizza delivery, driving taxis, factory work etc.
7. Out Of Control Cost Of Living. From rent, to utility bills, to shopping, to phone, internet and cable bills, to gas, to car insurance, to eating out, to basically anything you have to pay for or buy, the cost of living in Canada has become astronomical. Recent immigrants are astonished as to how expensive everything is. It is estimated that compared to most countries around the world, the cost of living in Canada is on average five times greater.
6. Health Care Crisis. Practicing physicians in Canada are in a shortage, 1 in 4 Canadians cannot get a family doctor. Canadian doctors are leaving to move permanently to the United States. Statistics Canada and the Canadian Medical Association both have identified that for every 1 American doctor that moves to Canada, 19 (nineteen) Canadian doctors move to the United States! Doctors in Canada are overworked and underpaid, and there is a cap on their salaries.
5. Very High Taxes. Yes, you have the GST, the PST, totaling 15%, on practically everything you purchase and many other taxes taken out of our weekly paycheck. You have to pay a whopping amount to the government, out of your hard earned salary, so that the government can turn around and give it to beer drinking, hockey watching welfare bums. Fair? It does not matter, it’s Canada.
4. Money Hungry Government. Canadian Embassies around the world lie to foreigners, painting this picture that Canada is Utopia, because they want them to come to Canada. Why? Because foreigners bring money! So after being deceived, these foreigners come. They must bring with them at least $10,000. Canada has an immigration quota of 250,000 per year. So please do the math, 250,000 multiplied by $10,000 each equals a whopping 2.5 Billion dollars that Canada gains from immigrants every year.
3. No Culture. Unlike almost every other country in the world, Canada has no culture. Actually American culture is what dominates Canada. When was the last time you had some ‘Canadian’ food? There are no Canadian traditions and there is no national identity. What does it even mean to call yourself a ‘Canadian’. . .nothing really. People living in Canada, still identify themselves with the country they ‘originally’ came from.
2. Worst Weather. Yes, Canada has the worst weather conditions of any country in the world. Freezing cold temperatures, snow, ice, hail, winds, storms etc. From the Prairie provinces to the Maritimes, from the Territories to southern Ontario, the weather is so horrific and disgusting that many Canadians leave Canada simply because of this reason alone.
1. No Jobs. Yes, coast to coast, there are no jobs. Immigrants are highly qualified (MD’s, PhD’s, Lawyers, Engineers etc.) but they are driving taxi cabs, delivering pizza’s or working in factories. Even people with bachelors degrees from Canadian Universities cannot find jobs after graduation. This is the tragedy associated with immigration to Canada. I feel sorry for those immigrants who are stuck in Canada for the rest of their lives. It is indeed a very sad and hopeless future.
Experience is the main variable. People who managed to land a job, make an income sufficient to survive on, and haven’t faced severe hardships or crises are generally content. In this particular comment thread more people hadn’t regretted their move.
People who have been discriminated against, faced racism, or whose standard of living has been downgraded are more likely to be unhappy and regretful.
That being said, there are some key facts which come into play:
If you like stable, relatively safe, or are escaping bad governments and don’t mind renting for life and enduring long, bitter winters – you may be satisfied. This type of person is more likely to be an office worker or bureaucrat than a cop or paramedic for instance.
If you value excitement, culture, are ambitious and aspire to home ownership or an easier time getting by – you will hate it here. You may be willing to trade off a higher crime rate or more dense population for greater stimulation and varied life experiences. You will find Canada sterile, expensive and suffocating.
Things people liked best: social safety nets, democracy, pretty peaceful, outdoors.
Things people hated: taxes, cost of living, no culture, bad job market, winter.
To summarize for Canadians who have never lived anywhere else: it’s like preferring Ottawa (Canada) to Vancouver (elsewhere). It all depends on your personality, goals, and how you prioritize.
So here are some of the worst things about living in Canada (in no particular order). Citizens will of course relate and lament, but this may also be of interest to outsiders.
1.) Sales taxes. Each province has a GST (Goods and Services Tax) applied by the federal government. All provinces (except Alberta) charge PST (Provincial Sales Tax) on top of that. (Some places have the HST which is a combination of both taxes blended into a single tax). It varies by place but for almost all places expect to pay 13% to 15% tax on your purchases and services.
2.) Housing Prices. The average house price is now nearly $500,000 after declines. There is no escaping it. House prices in the northern territories are expensive because of the isolation, weather, and cost of supplies – meaning even living in the middle of nowhere doesn’t cut prices. The prairie prices are roughly 300-400k for housing and we’re talking small cities. Vancouver housing prices are at a million dollars and the same in Toronto. Maritimes are cheapest at a quarter million but that’s because we’re talking about tiny locations with no population or work.
3.) Winter. A good portion of the country (northern territories) is in the arctic. The rest of the country gets winter weather each year, varying to some degrees by province and location. Most places average -15 to -30 Celsius during the winter … there is no escaping it. The only places that don’t get guaranteed winter snow and cold are the Greater Vancouver area and Vancouver Island – although this varies by year as well (but temperatures are bearable).
4.) Student Prostitution. The government doesn’t track statistics on this, but we do know from minimal data provided by one company alone that at least 1 in 10 post-secondary students in Canada is prostituting or attempting to prostitute for money to pay bills.
5.) Bilingualism. Canada is a bilingual country: the two national languages are English and French. Roughly 1 in 5 Canadians speak French but almost all of them are contained in two provinces (the main being Quebec). Outside these, the average French speaker is between 1% to 4% of the province’s population. Quebec is Canada’s second most populated province (after Ontario) and outside this self-proclaimed “independent nation” nobody speaks the language. French is plastered on signs, cereal boxes and everywhere else to the cost of nearly two and a half billion per year (when last studied.) Most government jobs require people to be bilingual, and in some sections of the country finding work without French fluency is nearly impossible. There are no free lessons or classes provided by the federal government (unless you are a new refugee who speaks neither language). There is no official website or curriculum to help Canadians learn. Students will receive a few hours of lessons in school, but nowhere near enough to become fluent – especially without any locals speaking French.
6.) Child Poverty. Roughly 1 in 5 children in Canada live in poverty, although it varies by location. In some places the amount is 1 in 3 children, and goes up to 50% of Indigenous children and nearly 70% on reserves.
7.) Prescriptions. The cost of prescription medication is not covered under Canada’s universal health care. Unless you are being given medication in the hospital or are Aboriginal (with a status card), your coverage costs will have to be covered by your employer, disability benefits, or you will have to pay full price independently. In some regions there are varying insurance coverage plans you can purchase if you qualify. (Ontario is rolling out a pharmacare program for seniors starting this summer.) 1 in 10 Canadians can’t afford their prescriptions, a number that will only rise.
8.) Food Insecurity. At least 1 in 8 Canadians is food insecure, a statistic compiled despite four provinces refusing to measure food insecurity. Food prices are expensive and only going up: to feed an average Canadian family (of four) costs almost $1000 a month in food. Food insecurity and prices in the north are often insane and reliability is so bad that only Amazon Prime can be expected to deliver with competence.
9.) Sex Offenders. The National Sex Offenders Registry database is not public in Canada and can’t be accessed by anyone other than law enforcement. Adding sex offenders to the database wasn’t even mandatory until 2011, and is not a lifetime registry. The Registry is such a joke it was called a “national embarrassment” by the Canadian Encyclopedia. Sentencing is usually a joke and mandatory minimum sentences are being struck down left and right for being “unconstitutional” and unfair to the perps. The Canadian government has the names of over 5,000 perps who abused Native children in residential schools but sits on the list doing nothing.
10.) Location. Canada is located to the north of the United States. Aside from the USA, there is nothing nearby – it is surrounded by ocean and far away from Europe or South America. There is nowhere to go except the U.S., which is often difficult when the currency is valued so much lower – at times only 70 cents to the USD. It takes just under a week to drive from one end of the country to the other. Depending on stopping points and starting location, it can take several days to a week to drive from Canada to Mexico. It’s generally cheaper to fly to U.S. destinations or even England than to fly across Canada.
11.) Racism. Don’t be fooled … Canada is as racist as anywhere else. Whether it’s racism against Aboriginals or Blacks, Anti-Semitism against Jews or discrimination against immigrants, it’s all here too.
12.) Canadian content. Canadian media and film are basically a joke. Because Canada has no culture and sucks at the arts the CTRC has mandated that the media force Canadian content on citizens. For radio: 25 – 35% of its music each week has to be CAN content, depending on the genre. Television also has a 50 – 60% quota depending on the channel, shows and time of day. If the quality were good it would sustain itself, because it is not it’s an obligation.
13.) Inferior Netflix. For years Canada had a much smaller catalogue than the American version; now it’s almost matched in terms of quantity but definitely not quality. (Only three years ago its title selection was on par with Brazil and Cuba!) This might get even worse if Canada forces Can-Con onto Netflix as well.
14.) This video is not available in your country (region). Yep, you can’t even watch FREE shit online from Canada!
15.) Cell phone plans. Canadians have consistently paid more for lousier service for over a decade now, at one point coming in even lower than developing nations. Canadians continue to pay some of the highest costs in the world (ex: 138% more than the UK, or 156% more than France). Excuses were made about the “small population” and “large geographic area” but studies found Australia was way cheaper as well, despite the same issues. Digital media experts have called the new “low-cost plans” a joke.
16.) No culture. There is no unifying culture in Canada. It’s a dull, bland place full of dull, bland people. Even the premier admitted Canada has “no core identity”. Nobody knows what ‘Canadian’ means other than “not American” and unable to live anywhere warm. Now they’re bragging about being a post-national state. The lack of identity leads to a national inferiority complex which is staggering and accounts for much of the anti-Americanism (jealousy).
17.) No warmth. No, winter doesn’t just suck … so does fall and spring for a lot of Canada. In the prairies it’s wind, blackflies, mud, mosquitos and misery. In B.C it’s constant down pours of rain and grey gloom. (And snow in the rest of the country.) The “warmest” places are Vancouver (where house prices average over a million, condos are $600k), or Vancouver Island (where houses average a million and condos $500k-$700k). You could try the Okanagan (houses at nearly a million), or crappy places in Ontario like Windsor (homes nearly half a million) or Niagara (the same).
By “warmth” I mean you get a handful of months of sun and decent weather. You can pay half a million in Ontario for a few months of warmth, or a million in B.C. for a few months of warmth and rain instead of snow. Compare this to Maui, Hawaii where the average house price is going for $800k and other regions of Hawaii for $200k – $700k.
18.) Emergencies. What if the national power grids were hacked or failed? How does 3/4 of the country stay warm in -10 C to -40 C weather with no electricity or heating? What if the United States was at war with China or Russia? They’d encroach on northern territory and it’d be a war zone. What if there was a global threat or shut down? Canada’s combined active and reserve personnel totals just over 100,000. What if global borders were closed for a decade? You’d have to stay STUCK in Canada permanently!
[This list is ongoing and will be added to periodically when I have time.]
While I’ve been on Vancouver Island a fair amount, I admit I’ve never lived there. One thing that’s surprised me is hearing about how much people from across the country hate Victoria! Whether they moved from Ottawa, Calgary, Toronto … people seem to despise this little island city. I keep hearing the same complaints repeatedly, so read for yourself:
“I moved here 4 years ago with my family from Ontario with the hopes of having a better lifestyle and unlimited opportunity. You would think on a smaller Island as beautiful as Victoria that the people who be more appreciative and maybe a little nicer, but what we and hundreds of other outsiders found is that the people here are colder than a praries winter. They are over-priveledged, anti social, self proclaimed and sadly lacking anything resembling social skills. Because of unrealistic real estate prices homeowners have experienced wealth that is unheard of in any other part of the country. In a nutshell the people here suck. The place is beautiful but the pretty beaches and the trees do not make up for the Islands lack of personality. It is overpriced so every other person has to build suites in thier homes so they can afford to put a roof over thier heads. They are jamming homes in every nook and cranny to accommodate the lack of affordable housing, leaving people permanently strapped and living off of credit pretending they actually have money. The health system here sucks and where else do you have to pay to have your garbage picked up.
I am happy for those of you that are from here and have family but if any of you are planning on moving here without your family being there to help out with kids and whatnot, don’t bother unless you have tons of extra cash to over pay for it. For those of us that wanted to come here and start a new life I want to say that the Island is like a giant high school with cliques that never let you in, that willtake 20 years to ever penetrate. My advice is to not give up your real family and friends for the crap that the Island offers and come here on vacation only, that way you are buying something from the shallow personalityless Islanders that will only be nice to you if you are buying something from them.
I will be glad to leave this Island and I feel dumber for having been on it. Cheers“
“No, Victoria is not a nice place to live beyond the propaganda. Dig a little deeper. The general cultural attitude is cold, aloof, dead inside, uptight, socially cliquey, standoffish, mentally stupid, inefficient, lacking of any common sense, slow, cheap, poor, backward, insane, self delusional, and lots more. They will try to trick you with how great the weather and environment is. Victoria is probably the only place on Earth with any beautiful environment?
Most of the jobs in Victoria BC are stingy paying, slave driving, perhaps even abusive, and don’t recognize your talents. Low or high end jobs don’t matter as they will pay you 25-33% less wage for the same work as cities and provinces outside of British Columbia, where they reward and value skills. You will get squeezed with cheap wages, and high housing, living costs at both ends. It gets worst as the upward mobility job prospects in Victoria BC are limited and limiting. Many Victoria students and locals leave and go work in Alberta, Saskatchewan, Ontario, South America, Asia, Europe, others in order to make big money and then maybe afford a Victoria house to buy. The joke local job market is a waste of time and life. Don’t leave the prosperity of Calgary, Edmonton, Regina, Saskatoon, Toronto, Ottawa, Montreal, Quebec City, etc for the monotony of Victoria. Many outside and local people say Victoria is over rated and move elsewhere in order to succeed. It seems the only prosperous Victorians are those who inherited old money wealth, or do big business in the rest of the world and then spend the wealth there. The lifer local Victorians are usually ignorant, poor, pissed off, and blocked. A friend referred to Victoria as the biggest outdoor insane asylum. “
“Victoria has all the resources and people to become just as prosperous and opportunistic as Calgary, Edmonton, Toronto, Ottawa, Quebec City, Montreal, Saskatoon, Regina, etc. The restricted, restrictive Victorian mental, social attitude keeps getting in the way of adventure, broad mindedness, and prosperity. Victoria region can climb high and go farther if it can get its inefficient disjointed, confusing, frustrating crap policies in order. The public and private sectors in Victoria are equally mental.“
“Run for the hill as fast as you can is my advice to anyone considering a move or relocation to Victoria. Oh, the holiday visit leaves you feeling like it could be a nice place to live, but THINK again. It is so boring there, the people are MINDLESS, void of any real personality, crap jobs, crappy salaries, all broke, no excitment of life in the air, just dead! Run to the East my friend, you will be happier. People from the East are rooted and so normal and friendly, real people, no air of snobbery about them like the Vics.“
“I know many ex victorians who moved to Ontario and Alberta to make better money and actually have a wealthier life. The ones who stayed behind in Vic BC are depressed, angry, frustrated, and these ones are the ones from the wealthier families. The ones from the poorer families can add destitute and desperate to the list. All those friendly Victorians you see are just superficially acting in front of your face. The true happy people in Victoria are the visitors; the locals are very artificial and superficial.“
“Victoria wages are sub par low and various living expenses are above par extortionary high because the owners and managers, all the decision makers know and hope the docile sheeple won’t uncover their dirty ways and stand up. The place looks and behaves like a life sized experiment lab in mass social manipulation and control for the NWO. It is probably a society template for the future global world gradually being made even now?“
“I’ve lived in Victoria for my whole life. It’s super boring here. I probably won’t live here in the future.“
“I not saying Victoria is always 100% shitty to live in. The upward mobility in job prospests, social, wealth really sucks in Victoria because of the public and private sector entrenched cheap, restrictive attitudes. Paying peanuts hires you monkeys. The only reason why I stay in this city is because my family owns apartment building real estate worth about 20 years of a government manager’s wages, in any place. I am not poor, only frustrated and bored. If this frustration happens to me and my well to do comfortable friends, what chances are there for other Victoria people lower down the social economic ladder? My friends and I can’t make it on our own in Victoria and our families’ wealth is keeping up afloat. In Calgary, Edmonton, Toronto, Ottawa, etc, that could be different.“
“Thirty yeara ago Victoria Was a Beautiful place to live then the east moved west and turned Victoria into a Concrete jungle. Roads are now wall to wall parking lots. Real estate has plumpeted to a price my grandchildren will never be able to afford. If you don’t like Viotoria then yoou are to blame. Please go back where you came from and let us return to the beautiful city we onse had“
“It’s a common subject in Victoria and it doesn’t matter who you work for or what you work as. Your schooling and experience doesn’t matter to the brain dead local employers as they don’t want to pay market pay. The screw up low quality staff they do have either quit or get fired for big mess ups, or they gang up bully you if you are too good and make them look bad. Even if all these BS things don’t happen to you at one of the crappy Victoria jobs, you are going to get over worked and under paid anyway. It is not just one or few jobs that destroys your soul, it is the entire Victosria region. There are few good job, or any jobs that compensates and treats you properly“
“Sure Victoria is a nice place to live, if you are independently wealthy and don’t need to depend on anyone else for anything. The place really sucks if you need to work for others to live and must go through life kissing their ass, licking their boots. then it isn’t so nice for you.“
“I am not born but raised in Victoria. I must agree with a lot of the negative posts on here. I am 37, well educated and STRUGGLE to make ends meet. Rent is WAY too high for a dump of a basement suite. It is VERY closed off and hard to break the barrier of social realm. I am tired, depressed, and pissed off…and reading this have me going home a packing my car and catching the next ferry out. OH! In case you are considering on moving to the island? Watch out for the ferries, it will soon cost you $400.00 ROUND trip with one car and passenger on the ferries. So essentially you are stranded on “the rock” as we call it here, because is like Alcatraz, you can never get off. You will be stuck fighting for survival, while the baby boomers reap your blood sweat and tears. They will never give it up!“
“Victoria and Vancouver Island is like social, economic, cultural drug, JUST SAY NO! If you get hooked into moving to the island and Victoria, you will be frustrated beyond belief is various ways. If you are not yet on the island and BC’s capital city, it is best for your peace of mind, happiness, and sanity to continue to be elsewhere. Even those already here yearn for the opportunity and resources to leave. Even the crappy jobs in Calgary pay more wages than the crappy jobs in Victoria. The good jobs would pay even more.“
“Even the weather isn’t as good as people say it is. People in the east seem to think we’ve got some sort of semi-tropical paradise here,and we actually have a pretty lousy climate. Sure, we had a good summer this year, our first decent one in about 5 years, but most of the time it’s cloudy, windy, raining, or just plain depressing.“
“Read the rest of the comments On Victoria on this site. You can and should visit Victoria for a short vacation. I stress VISIT Victoria, not give up everyone to move to Victoria. Others who moved long term to Victoria ended up moving back to their original city because the Victoria culture is dumb down, broke ass poor, anti success, and very uptight and restrictive. Only relocate to Victoria long term if your love poverty, lack of opportunities, stupid people, and being trapped on an island prison.“
“Victoria wouldn’t suck so much if people could actually make something of their lives living in Victoria. Unfortunately, the local employers are too, greedy, cheap, unappreciative, clueless, and sometimes even abusive. You will never be able to afford a car, house, vacation, or any excitement living here. You and your kids will end moving out of here back to your home town to work and go to school. It is dead end here.“
“Don’t get yourself sold an inferior lemon. Always do some research on the internet before you say yes to any deal. You are the second person who was saved from moving their entire life to Victoria, on these Victoria blog forums. The other guy was prevented from moving his entire family and work from Toronto to Victoria. He decided to go to Sidney Australia instead. Knowledge is power.“
“Many locals and clueless newbies from other places thought Victoria would be a golden land of opportunity. That isn’t the case. After the stark reality settled, then it became a matter of attempting to “escape from Vancouver Island”. They could probably make a zombie apocalypse, survival horror, adventure movie with the same title, based on reality?“
“I have a friend who say the wages and employment situation in Victoria genrerally sucks. He also imports his dates and lovers from outside of Victoria, Vancouver Island and outside BC if possible. He feels the Victorian attitude in work, dating, and life is very uptight, cold, closed minded, superficial, backward, soul less, and just straight up crazy. Victorians lack passion, a pulse, common sense, alertness, attractiveness, charisma. Most of them look and behave like they are at a funeral for zombies. Calling Victorians dead fish would be insulting to the fish. Tourist see only the superficial surface and think the city is so wonderful after only 2 weeks. Lving in Victoria and working, living there for years will change your mind quick.“
“The cheap, abusive, clueless Victoria region job market and economy is making me into a bored, blocked, and dead inside zombie. The social culture is very stuck up, cold, cliquey, unfriendly, very superficial. I have no idea how some people can call Victoria a long term home, unless they are drunk, unconscious, or drugged up permanently. Most of the people (employers, associates, strangers) act through their lives as if they have no passion, soul, personality, or intelligence. Everyone is snotty, repressed, constipated, dull, gloomy like they are at a funeral.“
“Look friend, there isn’t any web site blog that only has positive comments on how wonderful Victoria is to live in. The blogs may have a few good comments on Victoria, but they appear weak, superficial, insubstantial and sound more like propaganda slogans. Face the truth, Victoria is one culturally dumb and messed up place in general. I was born a Victorian and I can compare it to other cities all over the world. I’m qualified to judge. The place is a rust bucket dead beat car no matter how many mag wheels, car wax, car toys you try to add to it; it’s not going to look and act like a pimp my ride“
“Victoria is OK to relocate to if you are at the bottom hole in your life. You have nothing left to lose. Most people wouldn’t go there to live a restricted life (financial, social, mental health) of below average contentment if they knew the whole truth. The glitzy surface advertising is intended to lull you into a false sense of belief, make something more than it is. The reality when you arrive is something else. Definitely check out http://www.ratemyemployer.ca when you attempt to apply for Victoria jobs because many of the bad employers are Victoria based. Don’t get conned like some of the other workers before you.“
“The opportunities to rise and improve yourself is mostly limited. Greater Victoria feels like a 5 thing town. You can only do the same 5 limited things in an ever repeating loop, day after day,week after week, month after month, year after year until you die. Employment and social opportunities are the craps, there are many crappy things to follow. Why do you think Victorians look and behave like zombies? They all had their souls and happiness, ambitions and dreams, sucked out of them. Most of them are trapped on Vancouver Island and they know it! Starring at the same prison walls long term would make even a sane, social person weird.“
“Is Victoria a nice place to live, is the question? No! There are many reasons why and the marketing propaganda types will not tell you and try to cover it up. People who live in Victoria or those formerly living in Victoria are your best sources of insider information. Listen to them as it can save you a lot of frustration and disappointment.
Don’t waste your time and money. The big picture is the whole of Greater Victoria is a left socialist wonder fantasy land. There is hardly any opportunities economically, everyone cheap and poor, skills and experiences won’t get you jobs other cities would love to hire you for, at a much better wage too. Locals turn down oil industries that could make this place as rich as Alberta due to socialist pipedreams of ideal worlds. Basically, Victoria is poor, restrictive, and dopey in terms of economy, social life, cultural attitudes and behaviour. Forget your dreams here when you check them in at the entrance.“
“The Victoria contradictory nutty culture is the base of everything else that you could ever encounter in life. That’s not a very good stable foundation to build everything else on top. Watch, observe, interact carefully and you will notice overt or covert signs of group insanity at work. You want to go left but turn right. Yes is no and no is yes. They want and should decide on something and end up not deciding on anything. It should be fast and results are slow. They should drive their cars on a green light but run a red light instead. They want good, efficient, quality and choose cheap, dumpy, and incompetent. These are just some brief examples.“
“I like to warn people who are comtemplating moving their entire life to Victoria BC, that they need to think things over very carefully. All the negatives they would find in other major Canadian cities are even more concentrated in Victoria and it feels worse. There are 1000s of university and college graduates who graduate and can’t find work worthy of their education and end up fighting for low pay, crappy jobs that are beneath their abilities and experiences. Large parts of the people are unemployed or under employed for years. You can forget about owning cars, houses, condos, or go on any vacations. You would be lucky to afford rent, food, untilites for the long term.”
“The Victoria social culture and offiical policies are non-conductive towards job creation, wealth creation, and building a prosperous life. Everything seems to function to keep people down. Lots of people keep cycling in and out of various school programs and still can’t find well paying, stable, long term employemnet. No matter your education, skills, experience, “oh no never you”. You will get much time and effort wasting run around. In the end, you will all end up moving awat from Victoria to Edmonton and Calagary to work for the oil sands industries to make real money. There is a big difference between finding a good job in Alberta in 3 days and 3+ years to find a bad job in British Columbia.“
“Victoria, BC Canada is poor, frustrating, limited, and ever monotonous. It is like being stuck on the same ride ever repeating and can’t get off. I imagined Purgatory would be like Victoria in the afterlife. It give mediocre a bad name.“
“There are not enough jobs good or bad to go around in Victoria. Employers have a tendency to low ball workers on pay and benefits because they think they can. This often results in higher than usual staff turnovers and declining quality. Alberta uses more pay to attract good workers, British Columbia offers more abuse and cheap pay to attract workers. Victoria is not competitive as a labour market as places like Calgary, Toronto, etc. Life in Victoria in general is being stuck in an endless loop going nowhere. I have Victoria friends who got fed up with the slow and clueless Victorian ways and went to Fort MacMurray AB to make real oil sands money. The endless wasted time and money spent on job courses in schools resulted in no Victoria jobs.“
“Victoria is frustrating because you can die of old age while you are waiting for any kind of results you may want. The culture and bureaucracies grind so slowly. There are not many opportunities to shine as it is, but it gets ridiculously slow and drawn out when the other factors are included. Living in Victoria is fun like watching paint dry or grass grow. You can go away for 5-10 years at a time and them return sporadically and nothing much changes. You don’t notice this if you are visiting. You will notice if you live in Victoria for months or years.“
“Greater Victoria does occasionally show some progress, but they are far and few followed by long times of nothing much. The whole place is socially, economically, and culturally disfunctional. The locals and other people wouldn’t be going to Calgary, Edmonton, Lethbridge, Fort MacMurray Alberta to make some real money if it was so good in Victoria and BC. Most people don’t have a 1000 year life span to wait for Victoria to get more work, better work, better pay and benefits. One life time in Victoria and BC isn’t enough to see any serious changes and improvements.“
“University degrees, college diplomas or whatever matters little in Victoria. All your impressive work experience and qualifications don’t matter one bit. The way the Victoria system works behind the scenes is a real mystery. Any other major centre would at least have some sort of decision making rules and procedures whereas Victoria runs on whims, tarot cards, ouija boards, dart boards, or reading signs from animal sacrifice entrails, or whatever crazy decision mechanism. You can even be the perfect fit for a job or date and it doesn’t matter. Winning the lottery jackpot would probably be easier? You can repeadly apply for anything until the cows come home or old age death catches up to you, in Victoria BC.“
“The Victoria economy and social culture is like living in box prison. Any happy, sane, content person from any other place will almost always turn into a bitter, frustrated, depressed, whack job if they are forced to live in Victoria too long, for months, years, decades. The area just takes your enthusiasm, drive, ambitions, hopes, and talents and flushes them all down the garberator disposal to chop it all up. It is bad when times are good and more bad when times are bad.“
“Frustrating is a good starting word to describe life in Victoria. More will follow as you move and get a full treatment from the city. Like everyone else here, you will find out more as you get more familiar. All the negative comments can save you a lot of time, money, and bother before you get sucked in. If I were you new people from other places, move to some other place other than Victoria that has a chance of making you move worth it. Personally, I would like a potential return on my investment. I dislike it when I pay the price and not get my goods, Victoria.“
“I am so grateful that some of my friends and I have parents with some means and resources. IF this wasn’t true, we would have disappeared by now. This city is one of the most mental, restricted, barren major cities I have ever experienced anywhere. It is like living in a city populated by as the others said. “zombies”. Trying to improve one’s living standards is next to almost impossible as everything in Victoria seems to be set up in a way that is designed to oppress you and make you fail. The temporary government jobs with the good pay are contract, temporary at best. Most of the private sector jobs don’t even exist or they pay the cheapest degrading pay possible. The private employers will try to get the top workers for the bottom most wage scale. Good and cheap can’t co-exist together.“
“Even if just one person or family is saved from making the mistake of moving their entire life to Greater Victoria, it would have been worth it. Whoever started this blog topic must have had that goal in mind, to prevent others from making his mistake? Victoria has beautiful environment, that is true. Unfortunately, the less than desirable cultural traits of most people and organizations is what brings down the region and negatively overwhelms the good points. The sad sack culture leads to slow progress for all things, limitations, restrictions, dysfunction, repression, and a general feeling of hardly any progress while running really fast to stay in the exact same spot.“
“Victoria is a good place to live if you like poverty, lack of opportunities, and like getting ripped off. These qualities makes the people slow, mentally lost, cranky, and depressing. Many of them are probably depressed themselves? People want and need food, shelter, money, social and fun to be happy and content. Victoria culture and economics has and lack in all.“
“Victoria lacking in all things is quite an under statement. It is like offering someone who accidentally cut off their own head, while shaving, a bandage to help minimally to stop the bleeding. While other major Canadian metro regions like Calgary, Vancouver, Toronto, Edmonton, Ottawa, Montreal, want to spend billions on mega projects like rail transit, a bridge, airport, docks, they get their crap together and find the funding to get the good built as fast and efficiently as possible. They like results. Victoria, can’t even get the 13 bickering government municipalities and all the various ass clown groups to agree on what to have for lunch at the planning meetings, never mind the big regional projects. They will procrastinate and pander to every small minded citizen and equally small minded community group who wants their 5 minutes of fame. The compromises, endless studies, petitions and counter referendums will drag on for months, years while everything gets studied to death and nothing gets done. After they waste a lot of time and money, they will discover that the best decision was the original choice. Victoria as BC capital is a fine example of how “democracy” has gone wrong. The only way to get the Victoria mess functional is “efficient dictatorship”. Some tough guy or girl basically has to slap all the dead wood around, tie them up like a rodeo calf, put their foot down really hard, twist some arms and ram things through. To do otherwise is to die of old age while slowly going nowhere, really slow.“
“Perhaps you noticed the people in Victoria and Vancouver Island to be friendly only if you and they are in the some social clique? If you try to be friendly to other people outside your establish clique, you are going to get the Victorian treatment. The treatment is less fun than going through border customs and being subjected to a body cavity search for contraband. Victorians are superficially friendly to your face at work, official functions, to keep up appearances. They would not want to get to know you personally after the business is done. Afterwards, they don’t know you from a hole in the ground.“
“Victoria people hang out with their own that they have known for years or decades. You, the newcomer with your bright eyed enthusiasm, fresh new ideas, lively passion, could be seen as a threat to their stale status quo. You could be deconstructed by them and remade in their mode, to become just like them. If you refuse to ASSimilate, you are going to be put into internal social exile. You will have your own invisible box prison around you wherever you go in Victoria. It is like this for work, social, residential needs. Is that cliquey enough for you?“
“Sure victoria is a nice place to live, if you are already rich. Making enough money to have a better life is not too easy anywhere, but appears less likely in victoria for previosly mentioned reasons. You are in for an unpleasant surprise if you think you are goin to give up your old life in another bigger Canadian city go to Victoria to make it big with lots of money, good job, cool friends, house, condo, etc.“
“Christmas, Canada Day, Civic Day, Labour Day, News Years Day, any other holiday in any other city Canadian or otherwise would be filled with lots of happy, cheerful, outgoing, friendly party people doing their things. Every calendar day in Victoria is no different if they were statutory holidays or regular work days. It is all very dull, boring, comatose, completely lacking in anything resembling passion. It is always like being at a funeral or having a full car tear down inspection by border officers. There are always cold, distant expressions, a carrot up the ass types of looks. Laxatives won’t help the Victoria culture.“
“There seems to be prevalence of general life in Victoria to be boring and dull. I feel the people and culture of Victoria are very uptight, dull, and boring. Most of the time they act really odd. Nobody can accuse most Victoria people of being adventurous.“
“We moved here in 1980 and always found it a really difficult place to make a living. We stayed because we got trapped here for financial reasons but have been dreaming of escaping for a long time. There are way too many people chasing too few good jobs. It is also very insular and unfriendly to newcommers. I still remember being asked when I wanted to register my car in BC by the clerk with a sneer “what do you people want here” as if Albertans were from outer space and not Canadians. It is too bad the rest of Canada has such cold winters but I wouldn’t recommend anyone moving here unless you are retired and have lots of money. If you are able to make money elsewhere and live here part time is also a good plan. It is expensive and boring. Most of the locals donot want to meet new people and are snobs. The ferries keep you trapped here as it is inconvenient and expensive to leave.“
“People with brains, abilities, education can get worhty employment and pay in places like Calgary, Edmonton, Toronto because of their assumption of skill and merit. Nepotism corrupt Victoria would label you under or over qualified at the same time and place. They will want to pay cheap for the good people anyway. They drive all the best job applicants to other cities and even outside of BC. The left over results will be sub standard and messed up. The remaining highest ranking best of the worse stupid ones will be promoted to leadership positions and pay. Then you have situations of the most incompetent getting the best jobs and benefits.“
“I agree that Victorians are cheap, restricted, and crusty. The only friendly, sociable, with a clue, intelligent, cool Victorians are the ones fresh off the plane or boat. They haven’t been in Victoria long enough to absorb all the mental culture yet.“
“Calgary, Edomonton Alberta generate revenue by selling oil and gas and other goods to the world. They have a wealthy lifestyle, mindset, higher wages, and the pricey toys and services to prove their good life. The costs and taxes are much lower and the average workers can aspire to build something with their lives. Then you have Victoria, Vancouver British Columbia that generates revenue by putting up all kinds of sales, income, environmental taxes, surcharges, fees to scrape away the already pathetic low wages of BC citizens. All the costs of living are already too high as it is. On top of this, BCers refuse to pump oil, gas off the Pacific coast, transport Alberta oil and gas to sell to the rising rich countries in Asia and South America. The transport of oil and gas could potentially screw the environment. BC say bye bye to lots of high pay jobs, supporting jobs, and lots of wealth while the various taxes further impoverish the BC people.“
“Most people seem to be poor and bored in Victoria. It is no wonder they are cranky, uptight, stingy. The bad low wages and taxes on everything will drain you like a vampire. The BC people are anti wealth and pro tax. The government will be more than happy to suck you dry in various ways, unlike Alberta in all things.“
“Victorians are no common sense, spaced out, jerk around idiots, most of them are anyways. If you love uptight, crazy, procrastinating, closed minded, poor ass, eco freaks, unreliable, indecisive, mental cases, Victoria is the city to spend the years of your life. It takes a special kind of self torturing, masochistic, poverty loving, success hating, nut bar to actually want to volunteer to move to Victoria. The more with it Victorians themselves want to leave. Victoria would actually be up to stuff if the living standards and conditions could match the high environment quality. Instead you will live the poor life of a frustrated crazy person in a beautiful environment. Why do you think BC province is so economically, culturally, socially screwed up when compared to other Canadian provinces? Victoria is the capital city.“
“The Victorian area economy and job market is getting worse and worse. Don’t let any government or agency propaganda fool you into thinking everything is just great. The real proof is on the ground, the front lines. There are long lines of people on various ad web sites pleading for almost non-existent jobs. The jobs lists on all the employment sites are sparse for Victoria. If you do get a job, there are most likely the cheap slave driving kind. The spaced out employers want to hire staff, but not want to hire at the same time. Calgary, Edmonton, Toronto, Ottawa, etc were not this messed up and on top of things. I can’t believe some of you actually want to move to Victoria to become part of that culture?“
“The situation for all or most of Canada and BC or Victoria is the same when attracting immigrants and locals to move for work. However, it is even more so on Vancouver Island and Victoria. We really like your mad skills and experience in whatever high job you are doind, move or emmigrate to work for us. When you finally arrive, the story changes to something like, “Oh, we don’t recognize any of the skills and education from you home region or country. You can waste years and lots of money to go back to school again so we can have jobs at your expense. If that isn’t good for you, we do have jobs as cleaners, retailers, fast food workers, taxi drivers, hospitality workers, delivery drivers for all your mad skills.” Do you feel dumb for falling into the sales scam by Canada, BC, Victoria, etc? You left your home region and country to go from doctor, lawyer, engineer, teacher, government official to beocme a pizza delivery driver/cook in Canada. The governments, employers/trades associations, schools are all in on the “bait and switch” con job conspiracy. Many get tricked because they don’t know any better and lapse in judgement.“
“Unlike many of the other major Canadian metro regions where merit has value, Victoria is all about nepotism, corruption connections. The answer to everything work, social, cultural is always, “you are great, exactly what we wanted and hoped for, but oh no not you! We’ll keep you in mind and find someone else like you and give it to them. You ok with that?”
“The wages are pathetically cheap and the expenses are high. You make less and get squeezed to pay more for all goods and services. The various sales, environmental, carbon taxes and various fees and levies will kill your finances later. Federal income taxes and payments will take another chunk of money from you. That is probably one of the reasons why Victoria people seemed silent, grouchy, unfriendly, uptight, reserved, paranoid? They don’t have much to be joyous about, taxed to death, under paid and abused to death, frustrated, gloomy, and bored. They can’t earn and save enough to have a good enjoyable life. They have a hard time just surviving, no time or resources to have a fun social life too.“
“Victoria would be a lot more fulfilling, fun, happy, and content if many of the people are not economically, socially, psychologically, financially frustrated and blocked. People can’t be happy, outgoing, sociable, and content if they are not achieving their goals and dreams. Life is good when one has what they want and need and life really sucks when people don’t. Victoria is a prison to many people when they are not allowed to live up to their potential. People leave Victoria and BC to other places when home is not good.“
“No kidding! It seems like Victoria, Vancouver Island and all of BC is a crooked price fixing racket? The governments and private businesses look for every small excuse to pay workers slave wages while at the same time charge you extortion high prices for all goods and services. The people are not people or staff, just money milking cows. Getting squeezed at both ends means your prospects are fairly limited or limiting. A main reason why BC is bleeding out brains, talent, and workers is because the BC culture in all things, don’t know how to treat people well.“
“Yes everything is a racket in BC and especially Victoria the capital city. I am actually surprised they still have any brains left as they seem to bleed all the good people out to other places. They don’t know how to treat capable people and their competitors in other places do. This is probably a repeat, but good and cheap abusive can’t co-exist in the same place and time. It must be a natural law of the universe?“
“Victoria is not a nice place to live. The natural environment is nice, but most of the people are not nice. They are culturally uptight, repressive, closed minded, socially restricted to their cliques, and mentally dumb. Common sense is definitely not common in the Victoria region. General life in Victoria is an oxymoron (conflicting illogic) or any other type of moron. The social mental attitude is one of the main reasons why the area economy and social life is messed up. The environment can only be fully enjoyed if one is independently wealthy and powerful, separated from the need to work or bow to others for a living. The low wages, cheap work environment, daily life pressures will grind you, wear you down, and remove most joys in life from you life in Victoria. You will be sorry if you did not do your research homework before moving your life.“
“I personally know many people who are chronically unemployed or under employed just because the live in Greater Victoria. The region is not prosperous because it has almost no heavy industries with the higher pay as a foundation. This leads to everything else that follows been even more cheap and limited. In most other places, these people would probably have accidentally hit a good paying job, or any other job by now. You almost never get a job even if you are qualified. You keep getting sent back to school for endless retraining and always no work.“
“The internet is a good research tool. Before the internet, people would move to a place and find out it is not all that it is made out to be. It is too late to find out the truth. Most people hate wasting time, money, talent, enthusiasm, and other resources on any lost causes. Skills, education, experience, merit doesn’t matter like it does in other normal Canadian regions. Life in Victoria needs to be independently rich, work free, connected or you will be left high and dry with nothing. Many organizations large to small do “fake job hiring” to test how many job applicants they get per job posting, or to scare their unionized work force into accepting lower labour contracts by showing how many people are available to replace them. The resumes and applications sit somewhere collecting dust and unread for months, years, maybe a decade?“
“Victoria is a great place to live if certain conditions and situations are met. You would love it in Victoria if you are too rich to have to work for a living and money just flows over you like by magic. You can use the excess cash as toilet paper to wipe your rear. The bleak reality for most of the Victoria people is a lot less lavish and frivolous. Victoria would be great for you if the scenery and environment can pay all your expenses and give you free money to live the lifestyle you want. You are most likely to get your job applications ignored repeatedly by all sorts of employers of varying size, as their existing lazy and incompetent staff procrastinate. The hiring and start date deadlines will pass as nobody seems to care about inefficiency and lost time and money. The stacks of resumes will grow moldy somewhere as the organizations will continually job advertise for jobs they seem to have no intentions of filling. They treat it like it was a joke game to take up extra free time.“
“Oh definitely Victoria is not a good place to live. You can visit it as many times as you like and then go back home. However, never ever make it your permanent home if you have a choice. Trading in your goals and objective dreams for a few moments of beautiful environment isn’t worth it. The entire regional system is totally lacking in every way. Read all the people’s comments. They are not BSing you. It is the real experience.“
“Life in Victoria just continuously dumps on locals and visitors who stay too long. The glitter is gone and replaced by frustration and dreary drab. It must be the bad vibes of the whole region that makes even a bright sunny day feel oppressive and grey? It is a good thing there is occasional sunshine or living and dealing with Victoria would multiple times more depressing. The entire region is like this.“
“Victoria is not happening enough as a city, a major Canadian city. I met many people who come to Victoria expecting good and big things with their lives and find excessive limitations instead. There is not enough of all the good things that everyone wants to going around. They are in short supply. I agree with all the comments about Victoria before mine. If I could relaunch my life from the beginning, I would not go to Victoria and choose other Canadian cities with more opportunities to go up not down. I was sold an expectation that can’t be met by the local Victoria material available. They under performed expectations.“
Comment: I’ll stop here, although I could keep posting because the complaints go on for another eighty pages! I wouldn’t have guessed it but Victoria may actually be the most hated city in Canada … more complaints/rants than Ottawa, Edmonton or even Winnipeg! I thought about moving to Victoria for a time, but once I researched the cost of living I didn’t bother going. Even in shit towns on the island you’re looking at around $700,000+ for a condo! The problem is that the rest of Canada is a cold shit hole, so naturally everyone gravitates to British Columbia. But even B.C.’s north is a redneck, frozen crap pile, so almost everyone goes to the lower mainland and Vancouver Island. Being that the average Vancouver house now costs one-million dollars, and the city grows bigger, dingier and less affordable by the day, people think they can flee to Vancouver Island for warmth, safety and decent living. How wrong they are! Victoria is small; the nearby towns even smaller. In such a small community there isn’t going to be enough work to go around, locals will always be favored and resent outsiders; with lack of space comes lack of affordable housing; and without decent employment and housing the quality of life is dramatically depressed. The situation carries on because there’s always a stream of fresh bodies looking for one decent place in Canada to live … I have to shake my head at some of the comments too, poor saps! Ottawa is a shit hole, so is Edmonton! Saskatchewan is another shit pile, and good luck moving to the “friendly” east coast! Sure there may be work in Calgary or Toronto, but neither of those cities are exactly great to live in either. The poor suckers don’t realize the rest are big steaming turds too! This fucking country … nowhere to go but you’ll notice the same complaints from east to west: awful people, hideous winters and cold, no employment, unaffordable housing, barely surviving with the cost of living. The only warm or halfway decent areas are full of the mega rich and you can basically expect to serve them and lick their asses until you croak. There is no escape in this giant hole known as Canada.
“Canadians lead U.S. immigrants in unauthorized visa overstays, according to first-ever estimates from the Department of Homeland Security. Just under half of all immigrants in the country illegally are Mexican nationals, according to Pew Research. That share may decrease in the coming years, as Central American migrants to outpace Mexican in unauthorized land-based border crossings. But what about immigrants who come to the U.S. legally with a business, tourist or student visa? Most are from Canada, not Mexico … DHS now estimates 93,000 Canadian overstays, more than double the amount of Mexican overstays (42,000) and about the same as the combined total of South America. Canada has a smaller population than Mexico and Latin America, so its citizens also have a higher rate of overstays in addition to just raw figures.”
Now that’s pretty rich when you consider all the jaw flapping going on up here about ‘Canadian superiority’ and such. But as American border guards and others have pointed out: if Canada is so great, why are Canadians going down to the U.S. to work and vacation? In fact, why do so many leave and never return? Why would people rather live there as illegals than return to Canada? Also amazing to me is the the fact Canadian overstays are double Mexican ones, when you consider the violence going on in Mexico due to the drug cartels. People would rather put up with living in poverty and violence in Mexico than be forced to stay in Canada – no joke! And sneaking over the border is not just a Mexican pastime, but happens from Canada too. According to the website U.S. Immigration:
“The common image of an illegal immigrant sneaking into the U.S. involves a Latin American huddling for cover in the brush of an expansive desert. It’s hot, dry, and desolate. Perhaps they are attempting to swim across the Rio Grande as it meanders through the dusty climes of the southern U.S. or jump a fence in the middle of the night. There is a different, much less publicized form of illegal immigrant—the kind coming from Canada …
… Last year, in an attempt to slow the flow of illegal immigration from Canada, CBP spent $20 million on a surveillance system that monitors 34 miles of the St. Clair River bordering Michigan and Canada—a popular destination for illegal immigrants crossing from Canada.
… Michigan is a particularly popular crossing point. Many lakes and rivers compose the border between the state and Canada and illegal immigrants use the rugged vastness of the terrain to their advantage. Kyle Niemi of the U.S. Coast Guard division charged with patrolling Michigan’s waterways has said, “It’s a very complex system. … You have lakes that are akin to seas—they’re humongous. And then there are rivers that in the winter months you can walk across. It’s a fragile system.”
There you have it, folks. When the Liberals make living in Canada so unaffordable even prostituting yourself won’t work, you know where to go! According to the Department of Homeland Security report there are roughly 93,000 Canadians living illegally after expired visas. In 2015, the governor of Wisconsin floated the idea of building a wall across the Canada-US border. Nothing came of it, because it was generally shrugged off as something silly and unnecessary. Most Canadians living illegally in the U.S. do so by overstaying legitimate visas, not sneaking across. It still makes you wonder about the future ... In my opinion, Canada is headed for a massive decline. Brain-drain to the U.S. has always been a problem, but now it won’t merely be the brightest minds leaving, also people who want better opportunities after years of failing to qualify for emigration. Let’s look at a few key facts: Right now twenty percent of Canada’s population is the result of immigration. This is an attempt by the government to keep the population at sustainable levels. From Statistics Canada:
“According to all scenarios, population aging would continue in the coming years. Over the next two decades in particular, the proportion of seniors aged 65 years and over in the population would grow rapidly as the large baby-boom (1946 to 1965) cohort reaches age 65 and over. Thus, by 2030, the year in which the youngest baby boomers will reach age 65, close to one in four persons in Canada would be aged 65 years or over (22.2% in the high-growth scenario, 22.8% in the medium-growth scenario and 23.6% in the low-growth scenario) compared with 15.3% in 2013.
The number of persons aged 65 years and over per 100 persons aged 15 to 64 years would also increase, from about 22 in 2013 to 37 in 2030 according to the medium-growth scenario.
During the same period, the working-age population—persons aged 15 to 64 years, most of them being in the labour force—would decrease according to all projection scenarios, from 68.6% in 2013 to about 60% in 2030. Between 2030 and 2063, this proportion would remain fairly stable.”
On top of the aging population, we have other factors, mentioned in previous posts. First, drama with the Chinese over their spying in Canada and influence through key officials. Next, terrorism from the immigration population and the locals who have been radicalized (it’s already becoming an issue and will only get worse). Third, the home-born citizens lashing out because by 2030 – 100% of population growth will come from immigration; cue: culture clashes, resentments, minor conflicts. All of this will be exacerbated by idiot politicians needing to be politically correct and ignoring their constituents for votes from immigrants. Then there is the cost of living (which is rising exponentially and hitting ridiculous levels), coupled with the lousy economy and staggering debt of the provinces – particularly Ontario. Not good times ahead for Canada. The irony is that all the politicians and rich bigwigs mouthing off about ‘stupid, racist, idiot ‘Merica‘ will be the ones flying down there for health care, vacationing in Florida, and likely moving permanently (they will have the money). It’ll be the typical buffoon working-class Canadian without the option to leave who remains, muttering self-assurances of superiority, and slaving to pay the extortionists in charge of basic necessities. Maybe in the end, the best thing for Canada is for Canadians to be stuck there among their own: forced to contend with their own self-created society. Perhaps then they will stop looking down on others and actually make the country livable. Time to get building that wall – the hordes of Canadians are coming!
It would be fair to assume that a good way to judge a nation is to look at its capital city. If not a complete representation, it should at least be an indication of the country at large. Some personal words I would use to describe Ottawa, based on my time there: cesspool, dump, septic tank, sewer, gutter, prostituting, repugnant, loathsome, rotten, corrupt, racist, sexist, cold, arctic, incompetent, depressing, bleak, detestable, appalling, boring, cursed, contemptible, obnoxious, offensive, vile; unholy.
O- town Ottawa is the capital city of Canada, located in Ontario with a population just under a million people. It started out as a dumpy little pioneer place called ‘Bytown’ in 1826, and was incorporated into the ‘City of Ottawa’ in 1855. Its major claims to fame are the Parliament building and the Rideau Canal – hand built by virtual slave laborers (poor Irish immigrants dying from malaria); a history the city does its best to downplay as much as possible.
Soviet aspect Picturesque photos of Ottawa’s parliament hill nestled downtown nearby the river – sprinkled with statues and benches – makes for a nice first impression. Which is why it’s the only view of Ottawa that’s ever publicized. Outside a limited perimeter of downtown, the entire city is dismal. (The running joke is that it looks like it was ripped right out of the old Soviet Union.) It’s a bleak mixture of grey and brown buildings, ugly architecture and horrible urban planning. The ugliness is remarked upon by visitors, immigrants, and residents (who even write letters about it). The only way to change the state of affairs would be to demolish most of the city and rebuild. Since that won’t happen, the unattractive soviet-like appearance will remain.
Sewage River For decades raw sewage has been seeping into the Ottawa River while politicians and inhabitants looked the other way. (Only now have they begun to look into the issue seriously.) In 2016, forty-five million liters of raw sewage flowed into it. In 2017, 600 million liters of diluted sewage poured in. What’s rather disturbing is that this seems to be “normal” to Ottawa residents. They happily swim, kayak or paddle board in the river. Even on days when the water isn’t too murky to see into, all you can glimpse are rocks, concrete blocks and garbage. Trash, discarded bottles and numerous homeless camp-outs are sprinkled alongside the canal downtown. The most popular beaches are squalid patches of sand next to the polluted river. They’re often closed for swimming due to the sewage, fecal matter, and E Coli hitting dangerous levels. One of the most popular – Petrie Island – is built on an old garbage dump site. Toxic geese droppings also litter the beaches and make their way into the water.
Crumbling infrastructure During winter the old frozen pipes often burst, leading to building evacuations, or businesses and residents going 3-6 days without water usage. In one bad year the city received over 300 calls about it. Ottawa’s roads are notoriously bad: cracks, massive potholes, disrepair, cheap or nonexistent maintenance and even sinkholes plague the city and surrounding areas. The Canadian Infrastructure Report Card showed only 20 percent were deemed “good”. After being decimated by winter, cheap hurried “repairs” are made in spring and summer, backlogging traffic and infuriating residents. Horrible Transit ‘OC Transpo’ provides bus services for the Ottawa region and is unapologetic about its terrible service. What would be a 20 minute trip by car can take up to two hours and 3 bus transfers via public transit. When buses aren’t being hit by trains, catching fire, hittingpedestrians, hitting bus stations, or not showing up in winter, they are increasing fares (the average monthly bus pass now costs over $100). Rampant infidelity When the cheating website ‘Ashley Madison’ was hacked, it showed that about 1 in 5 Ottawa residents were subscribers. When you factor in age, limited adult population, and other unexposed cheating websites – one can only guess at the actual levels of infidelity. And yes, plenty of the email addresses were traced back to the City and Parliament Hill. (The city tried to counter the bad publicity with a laughable defense.) Ottawa’s true colors are shown to the world!
Arctic weather Ottawa has terrible weather: either humid and stifling summer heat, or cold, depressive, arctic winters. It’s not unusual for winter weather to be -20 to -30 C. It’s usually colder than Moscow, and don’t forget the wind chill and freezing rain!
Crime The crime trend is on the upswing in Ottawa: gangs, guns, shootings, problem immigrants and more contributing to the issue. (So far in 2018 there have been 76 shootings. Last year there were 75 shootings. In 2016 there were 68 shootings and 24 homicides.) There was even a terrorist incident in 2014. With the influx of immigration, and judging by all the niqab and burka covered women in certain districts, it’s no surprise that terrorism-related convictions are now popping up regularly, due to ISIL supporters (locals or foreign born). The city’s illicit drug problem has only continued to increase in the last few years, with local gangs battling over territory. A top doctor even claims Ottawa is “on the brink of a drug-injection crisis”. A ‘safe injection site’ akin to Vancouver’s was proposed by locals in Sandy Hill and opened in 2018. In good news for the city, its ridiculous PR is paying off: a polling of cakers showed they believe Ottawa to be the safest city in Canada.
According to a statistical analysis that was done a few years ago, Ottawa was the ‘murder capital’ of the country only second to Winnipeg. Some time has passed, but with all the new shootings and homicides there’s no reason to doubt this list has changed much, if at all. Ottawans are about as safe as they are smart, they’re about as smart as they are attractive, they’re about as attractive as they are loyal … you get the point.
There is so much more I could write, but this is it in a nutshell. I used to write humorously about my hatred for Ottawa, but after time the humor was lost to total contempt. People would write in their thoughts and feelings to me, I’ve never witnessed such visceral hatred for a city – and I can assure you I share it. I stopped sharing my musings after harassment from unhinged locals. It could be argued no one should submit to bullies – lest it embolden their behavior – but who has time to suffer their nuisances? Ottawa is a cold, ugly little town filled with petty, miserable bureaucrats and hated by all. Take satisfaction in knowing its people will never go anywhere, see anything, or accomplish much in their shallow, rage-filled lives. Ottawa running the nation helps explain why Canada is what it is. It will only get worse from here … Just leave, leave and never return to that unholy place! See: Rants about Ottawa
Many people are Canadians of convenience. What does this mean? They see a caker passport as a means to an end: there is no real loyalty or love for the country, but they acquire and keep citizenship as a ‘parachute’, in case things should go awry in their preferred country. For example, in 2006 the government spent 94 million dollars evacuating 15,000 “Canadian citizens” from war-torn Lebanon.
“In Canada, some political and taxpayer groups suggested that thousands holding dual Canadian-Lebanese citizenship and living in Lebanon should not have been eligible for the help.” (CBC)
Of course to the cakers, people suggesting common-sense proposals are immediately deemed “racist” and “xenophobic”. I personally have met many Lebanese COC. They go to the social services and acquire welfare or disability payments which are automatically deposited into their accounts each month (little to no oversight or questions asked). They then return to Lebanon and live there full time, only coming back for periodic visits. For example: a payment of $800 CAD currently converts into 910906 LBP. In Beirut: a furnished 2 bedroom apartment costs roughly $932 CAD. If you are a COC you have: access to healthcare, safety in the event of war, and evacuations during emergencies. Regarding every day living: your monthly rent is essentially paid, enabling you to save money or pay off other bills. When you boil it down it’s a good deal for COC, costing them nothing, and it just makes sense. Due to the racism immigrants here face, it’s likely they won’t be able to sustain the quality of life they could elsewhere, and what incentive is there for them to stay? This is by no means limited only to Lebanon, but a regular scam from numerous countries that are considered ‘developing’ or have lower valued currencies. It’s the Canuck version of the same scam eastern-Europeans have been pulling in England for some time.
The rich hate the caker kingdom too It’s not only the poorer immigrants that take advantage, but the wealthy also. In 2014 a man was sentenced for helping Chinese immigrants defraud the system. Quote:
“Yet the most significant aspect of Wang’s case is neither the scale of his operation, nor its sophistication and audacity. It is the motivation of his clients.
… Wang’s case involved clients willing to pay tens of thousands of dollars to AVOID living in Canada when they were perfectly entitled to do so, having already obtained permanent resident status…
Wang’s clients wanted to be able to maintain their PR status without actually living in the Great White North, since their jobs and businesses were back in China. And by faking their presence in Canada they would eventually be able to claim Canadian citizenship, with all the privileges it confers, including the right to live in Canada – eventually.
That anyone should immigrate to Canada while regarding living there as a burdensome task to be endured or avoided might sound weird, but the concept is so common among some Chinese immigrant circles that there is a word for it: yiminjian, or “immigration jail”. The term refers to the period of compulsory Canadian residency (now, four years out of the previous six) which one must suffer before applying for citizenship. Think of a Canadian passport as the get-out-of-jail card.”
And again, it’s no surprise. Why would anyone choose to live in the Canada when they could make more money, have a better quality of life, and enjoy culture somewhere else? In fact, the only reason most immigrants come to Canada is for the safety-net (healthcare/ escaping war/ escaping poverty). Many people want the citizenship without actually having to reside in Canada.
Dictatorship over the caker kingdom Between the taxes, the cold winters, the colder people and lack of culture – Canada is a spiritual hell for many people. It’s not an exaggeration when I say that many prefer to move back to third-world situations or even dictatorships than continue residing here. According to a 20 year study conducted by Statistics Canada: one third of all immigrant men would eventually leave the country, and more than half did so within the first year! That’s right, people couldn’t bear the cold hell caker kingdom for even a year after fighting to get here! Look at the Americans for instance. During the 2016 election campaign numerous rich and famous people called Donald Trump a demagogue, a sexual predator, an aspiring dictator, a megalomaniac, a narcissist and even a sociopath. Bold declarations were made on social media by citizens that if he were elected president they would move to Canada. To date, not a single person has followed through on their public declarations. Which means that people would quite literally rather live under a so-called ‘predatory psychopathic aspiring-dictator’ in the United States than have to live in Canada. Which really says it all, doesn’t it? Canada’s future: giving it up like a cheap date And so we return to the concept of the ‘convenience’ of Canada. When anyone discusses moving the cakers immediately begin panicking (particularly about the USA) and offering doomsday scenarios. One of those is war. As in: if world war breaks out – don’t you want to be in peaceful little Canada? NO. Canada cannot defend itself. It doesn’t have the army, navy or the population to do so against the three biggest “threats”: the United States, Russia and China. Cakers are also wimps, they aren’t tough like Russians. They aren’t going to fight off armies like the Russians did (Tartars, Napoleonic, Nazis) and they sure as hell can’t beat the Russians; they also can’t beat the Chinese. And if an emergency were to happen (re: oil, water, natural resources) the Americans would simply take what they wanted in a ‘soft coup’ and Canada couldn’t stop them. Canada is at the mercy of the United States. Being that it is geographically located right beside the USA, naturally it’s going to be protected by the U.S. If anyone encroaches on Canadian land (Chinese, Russians) warfare will break out, and who will be right in the middle? The caker kingdom! So I’ll happily take my chances in the USA which is at least a global superpower with a military force capable of defending itself; it also has nuclear missiles and the theory of MAD (mutual assured destruction) which should act as a deterrent.
The takeaway: Canada is a cold, boring, culture-less hell hole. It tries to paint itself as on par with Scandinavia but cakers are nowhere close, they only have current benefits because they murdered the indigenous peoples, conned immigrants, and live beside the United States. Canada doesn’t even have the benefit of being safe. There are countless COC, and a real threat of terrorism through refugees and immigrants. In the event of war, Canada can only beg the U.S. for protection or live under commies. Canadians of convenience use their citizenship for free health care, and as a secondary emergency location in event of arrest, war, or natural disaster in their true homeland. So if you are a COC, good luck to you and enjoy scamming the caker kingdom (all it’s good for).
Update: Since this post was originally written, the status quo has continued. Anyone suggesting the deterrence of COC is still deemed xenophobic and publicly questioned. Apparently COC are “global assets” and we should be grateful that they desire and obtain citizenship even if they choose to never live here and it remains a purely paper exercise.
“An immigrant’s experience in Canada: The Canadian government solicits potential immigrants and dupes them into bringing their skills and money to Canada. It advertises the country to people from other countries, mainly for their money; each prospective economic immigrant has to bring with them minimum $10,000. It’s a scam but then again so is everything else in Canada. When the Canadian govt is engaged in such a scam you can only imagine the extent to which the average Canadian individual is also involved in a scam of their own to survive, everything from phoney govt jobs to independent immigration consultants. Every Canadian is involved in some kind of a scam. Fraud is a way of life in Canada and you have to do your part just to pay the bills to extortionist utility, rent, insurance companies, etc. If you come with the mentality – as immigrants erroneously do – that this is a developed country and expect an efficient and competent system you will be greatly mistaken: Malfeasance is the call of the day in Canada. Since the country’s economy largely depends on service, and Canada no longer a manufacturing country, the best show in town in terms of gainful employment is a govt job. That requires “networking” – code word for FAVORITISM in Canada – forget about best qualified person getting the job. In many respects Canada is a developing country. There’s a disconnect between the political class and the average person (which explains the immigration disaster, among other common fundamentally flawed and corrupt practices). Canadians are cold and standoffish. Nothing happens and everybody keeps it to themselves. It’s the most socially inept country in the world. Since it’s socially dead country one becomes accustomed to abnormal behavior. Canada lacks national identity and national culture. Subsequently everyone identifies with the country of their parents or great parents’ origin. Forget about assimilation and adapting to Canada, you cannot assimilate and adapt to an unreceptive environment. Consequently racial attitudes are behind 30-40 years, say the United States. Which is really unfortunate because the country’s population is aging at an incredible rate, and the average immigrant stays for a few years and eventually leaves. (40% of all immigrants to Canada at any given year leave so within a few years – Statscan.) To augment this the govt typically brings in even more people. There’s a continuous flow of “new” arrivals filling the position of those who have come and gone. Major cities, namely Toronto, Vancouver and Montreal, are decaying socially and economically. Heavy drinking, drug use and other social problems are rampant along with crumbling infrastructure. But people in Canada don’t discuss issues of national importance, they lack coherent objective national discourse. People complain and say what they think they’re supposed to say, or, more accurately, say what they think will make them sound smart. Whether inferiority complex or other social deformity, people in Canada dislike constructive criticism and altruism. They remain risk averse to a fault, so problems fester. Everyone simply prefers to pretend everything is nice and dandy.”
“Totally agree.. Marketer with an MBA Degree from York (My 2nd one ) still finding difficult to grow here. Total INTELLECTUAL RACISM!”
“Too many things under the surface you can’t figure it out till you live in this society like discrimination,Racism,Nepotism,Hatred many,many social disease in this society and the government is not doing enough to eliminate this”
“Canada sucks, plain and simple!!!! No jobs, lots of racism and discrimination for qualified immigrants, awful weather, bad and expensive food, cold and ignorant people, a third world economy based in natural resources, no culture, etc., etc., etc. The no jobs part is the worst, typical red neck canadians are very hypocrite and put endless obstacles to smart skilled immigrants at every step of the way…”
“I’ll be leaving Canada at the end of this year 4 good. My story is similar to that of Praveen Rao’s. And Sattack above is 100% right. And don’t forget about the systemized corruption that goes on, millions of dollars misused by the 3 levels of governance. Disunited states of Canada is correct. The country’s future looks bleak.”
“I second the motion Sattack and k3kiaze. Canada is an overrated country! Beware. I’ve invested time and money just to settle here but nothing good is happening. I don’t see a clear future ahead of me with the way things are going. I’ve thought of leaving this country for good and go back to my home country or move to Asia where there are better career opportunities and decent wage. I have a year to really sort it out but if it doesn’t work, I’ll be like them packing up my things too.”
“I left Canada because of the Racism and Discrimination and the Family legal system took away my children without any evidence and concise proofs.
I’m shock of the a poor society where family has no value and it’s all about money… The Canadian legal system is racist and injustice based! Not to mention the job situation. I’m not impress with Canada at all! It’s a society where you have to lie and have a lot of money and be corrupted to be able to succeed. I don’t think, I will ever want to go back to hell… for the record, I’m a citizen :-(“
“:Canada’s economy is Immigration. Canada uses propaganda portray that it has good jobs and other social/economic benefits to entice immigrants. Over 90% of the immigrants who come will ‘testify’ that they DON’T get good jobs. Canada also ‘does not recognize’ foreign certifications, this is another ‘ploy’ to get immigrants to spend their money to get ‘Canadian’ qualifications. Then there is the housing problem, houses are priced and built in ‘planned communities’ to get immigrant money and ‘house’ them in ‘controlled neighborhoods’. I have a ‘Bell Canada’ unit in my front Yard and because of that I can’t do anything in my front yard (I am paying for Bell to have their stuff in my property, they are protected by the law). In short, here are the figures: New immigrants bring a minimum of $10BN per year to Canada, Immigrants in limbo (deciding to day or go) bring over $13BN PER MONTH to Canada. So, Canada does not care if you leave after coming here (you have already spent at least $30K and have done the ‘lords’ a service by doing the ‘menial’ jobs). There are Billions in queues awaiting to come to ‘promised land’. All in all, immigrants are the one to blame as NOBODY tells the REAL situation to their friends and family back home.”
“90% of Canadian immigrants leave Canada to USA…as soon as they get their passports. Canada is too ‘Brtitish’ for its own good.”
“i was trying for canada.but i will cancel.after reading the testimonies of the experienced ones”
“I am a canadian whose family has lived here 400 years. I could not get married as I never found secure work in canada and I am educated. I grew up middle class. I have to move many times to different places to secure work. I am now in ottawa since 2008 and only found two temp jobs in 2 years. I am now returning to school since I cannot find work in anything I have been educated in or even in the retail type jobs. There are too many people here competing for the few jobs available. The longest I had a job in canada was at a university, it took me 10 months to get a job there, I scored 98% on the testing that was 8 hours and they automated my job after 3 years.”
“Dont believe what they tell you about canada. Ottawa laid off 150,000 government workers in the past year alone. We have a 24% true unemployment rate in canada. Companies are moving overseas or automation is killing our jobs. MOst immigrants open corner stores because they cant get work in their fields of study. Canada is not he same as it was 25 years ago- then we needed educated people we dont now. My nephew will be a doctor in 4 years-it took alot for him to get accepted hes very bright. One in every two immigrants who comes into canada goes on social assistance….alot of them are moslems…
canada is heaven for less-educated immigrants…but hell for highly educated ones…..its not multicultred but un-cultured…u never know the aim of ur life….just working…earning…spending..paying taxes…..u cant dream for ur next gen.. u cant enjoy ur festivals..like ur nation…..i went to canada with mbbs degree…worked there like security guard…salesman….govt.of canada does not seek justice for immigrants…..most of people cant come back to thier nations becoz of some feel of shame or insult….they send thier kids to marry to native nations..becoz too much freedom n independence have made white people unfit for marriage……..well..i am back to india…got postgraduation …happily living with my family…problems r everywhere in world…but peace is there alwyas at ur home…ur nation…motherland…”
“I am a canadian woman whose family came in 1630. I have not been able to find a FT job since 2008. I live in ottawa. I am educated and have great experience. I found two temp jobs in govt offices but the wages dropped from 20 an hour to 11- just a bit over minimum wage. The agenices keep putting in new people so u cannot get another contract in the same place or eve hope to get hired, thats how they make their money and this is how the govt saves! I have looked for 2.5 years for work in various occupations but have not found anything, there are roughly 750 against you for every job you apply for so employers can be very picky.
I decided I will return study for 1 year in a fast growing field. I have not had secure work in canada since I was 20 years old. I have worked in government, private sector, retail, security…and I have had to move to different cities to find work, I have now lived in 3 provinces in canada in big city and small towns and I am single with no government help……..
I think immigration should be halted for 2 years as we have a 24% unemployment rate in canada and there are very few jobs for anyone right now and very few FT jobs. Massive dumping of people is making things worse not better and driving up the cost of living and food prices………..Ontario is awful now its a have-not province due to massive immigration for 30 years which was suppose to make us richer!”
“I decided to go back to my homeland in 2015 to retire early in my country after spent my live for emptiness here. I just wait for my daughter to finish her university and then I will move back to warm and beautiful homeland. Educated immigrants are ruined here. Please find the better place.”
“Canada is such a waste of life! Cold , unfriendly people in a cold, unfriendly country. Immigrants beware!”
“I remember an interview with (then) minister of immigration in 2006. He clearly said what Canada really needs are construction workers and truck drivers. Good news for me. I was neither! When you apply as a skilled “worker” take it absolutely literally, especially if you are already educated. You are here to work in retail and low level survival jobs (so that Canadian conservative management never feels shaken), consume (so that Canadian corporations make more money) and pay taxes so that the original Canadian elderly can retire securely with their free health care. There ill be no free health care at the time You are going to be retired, as the system is already bankrupt. Reminds me of the song “Royal Scam” by Steely Dan.”
“Hi IT Guy. Like the other posts, IT jobs are outsourced to India and other countries. Come if you would like to regress…. I have the same story – moved here because of crime and now will be moving back, despite the same high crime rates in South Africa. Canada should be sued by immigrants for ‘positive selling’ – or lying to immigrants. There are no jobs here and you will (guaranteed) be discriminated against, especially if you are non-white (I am of European decent and can tell you that Canadian Employers are more racist than South African or other employers). They want us to come (keeping lawyers alive with your application), buy a house (keep the housing market alive), open a Bank account (keeping the Banking Industry alive) and spend money (keeping everyone else alive!) and then basically: screw us. ‘Canadian Experience’ is a joke. In my profession Canada is about 5 years behind SA – a developing country and I find the local exams, etc. very easy in comparison.”
“South African.. you hit the nail…IT Guy and others, take these posts seriously. I think I spilled too much of the beans. I just said it as it is, no political correctness, nothing, so no wonder after about 6 hours my posting is yet to be published…wow! Canadian experience, what a joke? Here is a picture of the Canadian experience in the typical workplace….smoke break and coffee break probably every 2 hours or a little bit less, call in sick at the slightest opportunity, spend the first 10 minutes of a meeting talking about trivialities such as the weather, the dog, next place for vacation, spend the minimum effort in completing an assignment, back biting and gossip in the workplace.. Hopefully this post gets published.”
“Canada is finish as a country. Government have sold people out, all jobs went to China. I don’t care if it’s cheaper to make there then sell somewhere else. If you’r black or white colour skin we all affected. You have to halt all purchase of product made in China. How many of you check where thing are made before you buy it. Don’t shop at local chinese store call the store you shop at and ask for Canadian made product. Live like Amish people here in Ontario you would learn a thing or two.”
“Most talented and educated immigrants will eventually leave Canada for the US. Only those unskilled refugees will stay in Canada.”
“My family and I emigrated here in August. My husband secured a job . I am an IT professional who’s frustrated. .I have been applying every single day for a job and nothing is coming up..not even an interview. I feel we will both regress in our professions. Elementary schools are also way behind in terms of teaching the kids. Canada sucks big time. I want to go back home..we wasted our money coming here. Its a pity we have to learn the hard way. The weather is horrible.”
“Maybe I am one of those rednecks that people speak about but let me say this: I recently moved out of a neighbourhood because I felt like a stranger in my own country. I have no idea how immigrants are allowed in this country who either cannot speak English or refuse to do so. I would go to the grocery store and people would argue over prices with minimal ability to communicate and get angry when store management did not provide an employee who could speak their language. You do not move to Canada with the intention of establishing a smaller version of your former country in a new land. If you come to Canada, you should make up your mind first to become Canadian. I don’t care where you come from, if you come to Canada with the expectation of re-creating your old country here, you will be disappointed.”
“Hey other ‘south African’ – I see there are at least 3 of us on the site. Some good news is that the Human Rights Commission of Ontario recently declared it a violation of human rights to ask us about our ‘Canadian Experience’ during any interview process, as the question was only designed to exclude immigrants from working here. But yes we were cheated by clever marketing to keep their economy alive. What makes this tough is lots of us come from violent countries and have suffered things like rape, murder in our families, terrible discrimination and other bad things just to come here and suffer this further discrimination. It breaks one’s back and many of us are now spreading this truth about Canada worldwide. HEY ROB – yes, but your comments has nothing to do with us. Mostly refugees (not skilled immigrants) you are talking about – they will stay and we will leave.”
“I feel sorry for all these newcomers. Canada is not the country it once was. The government has cut EI benefits so hardly anyone can claim it yet they keep the money they take from our pays. They are treating veterans very bad here too cutting out offices etc. The country is going for broke. I apply to jobs all the time for 2. 5 years now and I cant find any work at all. I have never seen it this bad. Alot is due to automation and the internet. I am trying to return to my birth city which does not fare any better than ottawa for work but its cheaper for me to live there. I had to leave my birth city 7 times since age 25 and I am college educated. I dont know if a degree would have made a difference. I know people with degrees working in factories and coffee shops. A family friend was very bright and educated and all he could find was working in a factory. Then he moved to florida and climbed up the ladder to success to become a top manager for a corner store chain. The problem with ottawa in particular is the french influence and if you are not french you cannot move up the ladder and in case like mine, you will not even get an interview because 90% of the government jobs are bilingual here and ottawa is 10% french. Therefore 10% can pick and chose and the 90% are competing against hundreds for one job. Thats why I am leaving ottawa. To add insult to injury, all the hospitals here are bilingual now and I dont speak french so its a convenient way to eliminate alot of people! This is not the first time this has happened to me. I also worked for Immigration back in 1990 and all the english people were laid off and the bilinguals were all transferred to another department.”
“I have read what people wrote and all of you are 100% correct. I am a Canadian woman married to a Lebanese Christian man for 39 years and my husband received his IT back home and couldn’t work here in Canada in his profession. He did menial work for years and all he did was pay high taxes. We live in Ottawa and no jobs and like someone said here 24% is the real unemployment – I totally agree with you. My daughter cannot find work either and she is Canadian and my family goes back some hundreds of years as well.
To all potential immigrants you have to be really poor and wanting to come to Canada and be able to adjust. You must be able to speak English and French fluently. There is a huge discrimination, the jobs do not pay much – more like minimum wage like what Jane and others said which is so true and what my daughter has been making. I can go on and on in talking but everything that everyone said here is absolutely true. It is the people who are very impoverished who appreciate Canada the most. Everything is mighty expensive and yes the food is not the greatest. The climate here is horrible and you must be able to tolerate the cold weather and be very healthy. Take care everyone and best of luck to all of you. We are having our problems as well even being Canadian born and raised. My husband never liked Canada since the beginning but we have nowhere else to go. All the best to everyone.”
“I have not faced that much of problem. came to Canada in 2007, started by a supporting job to pay bills, got professional license in 2008 and got a good job. everybody respects me in my work place. Off course, Canada is a country of trade people and they reach higher positions, just like in India 50 years before and in most cases they do not allow/beleive educated people to come in. But you will get opportunity somewhere in this big country, real educated people in Canada , normally, do not descriminate foreign education and experience.”
“Many of you are complaining that you have received a commensurate education before coming to Canada and that discrimination is the reason for your unsuccessful endeavours. Judging by the incompetency of the written word I’ve observed reading these comments, I am not sure discrimination is the primary factor. I also work in the health care system, and rarely, RARELY, does a nurse coming from Southeast Asia, or other parts of the developing world have the required skills. So,no,in my opinion, as a degree educated individual who is also a first generation Canadian, do I believe that all cases of “educated” individuals being passed over for career positions are all based in inherent racism. I find that those who complain the most, are the least qualified.”
“I think Canada should allow us as skilled immigrants to own property here and lessen the investment visa requirements, as clearly we are only allowed in to buy houses, cars, etc. and not to add to the economy with our skills. I don’t think the Government knows how to reverse their immigration policies without a collapse in the housing, car and other markets stimulated by immigrants. Its simple – if you came after 2009, you are in trouble in Canada and your CV will just be ignored – whether you are a doctor, someone with 2 masters degrees or anything similar. Before the recession – you are fine. Canada does not create jobs currently and it is clear, whether wrong or right, that skilled immigrants are pushed out to make way for Canadian citizens. Why not then lessen the 730 day rule to say 200 days or so in order for us to work at our professions (other than by serving people with our doctorates at Tim Hortens / McDonalds)?”
“Here goes my 10 cents… I am an IT Professional with +10 years of experience (Oracle Fusion Middleware and Java developer) and I lost my job about 2 months ago. There are very few good jobs (at decent rate, 70k or higher) I see better paying jobs in my home country (A third world one) then here, besides, for every job you apply for there are 50 candidates; IT here is super crowded. I had last week a good offer from a US company (115k) I didn’t leave yet because I am going to get my citizenship by 2014, once I get it, I’m leaving… good look for those who are coming…”
Many say the educational, economic, social systems in the USA and Canada are nothing more than a Ponzie Scheme trick. All your work and educational experience means nothing. Some cities and provinces in Canada are worse than others as the whole system is corrupted by discrimination, nepotism, politics, and short sighted policies and practices that will collapse the society someday. All of this is like a economic, housing, educational bubble ready to burst. People are paying too much to get back too little in this money sucking scheme that only benefit the people running the scam to milk the suckers, everyone else.
Students will be shackled with huge debts in a corrupted job market that has nothing left to offer for the sacrifices. They will still be under employed or unemployed while being indentured slaves to their large student loan debts. They may be farther ahead with just saving money while working at a cheap job and avoiding post secondary education debts. Too many people are graduating with college and university and their job market value is decreasing as everyone can get a certificate, diploma, degree. The education price is sky rocketing as more people demand an increasingly worthless piece of paper, like a form of educational hyperinflation”
“I moved from the USA in 2012 as a skilled worker class. It has been very difficult to survive here. For the last two years I had been struglling to find a decent job. I have masters in Physics and vast teaching and mangement experience. in India and The USA.
True, the Skilled worker class immigration system is definately a mislead to the immigrants.When we move in the middle of the carrer it is true devastation to your personal confidence and education. I am able to make my bread and butter out of my common sense not my expertise or skills. i had been applying for jobs everyday without fail. No responses at all. Here the hiring is not done by the talent but the links. Yes evry second day the situations compells me to leave canada and force to repent the descision I made to immigrate to Canada.
The elementary school education is terrible. School system does not have a “CARE”forstudents. There are no goals set for individual learning. Much more to say……………”
“Hi There. Just to be fair with the current political system around the world, No country is perfect actually. I came to Vancouver to do my degree in 2006 and i love every second when i was there. I came home after my studies to pursue the belief of which “3rd world country provides better prospect of career growth and opportunity”. I was wrong. Most of the top post which was covered by foreign talents and “first” class citizens, and the prospects of growing in the corporate world is limited. I came from a country where democracy is just a mask for corruption.
Although i was born in my beloved country, i was treated as a second class citizen. Bear in mind, i represent the 4th generation for my family in my country. What about the Economy? Inflation rises 2 times faster than your annual wage increment. Properties rises 10-20% annually. Buying power reduce minimum of 5%, vehicles will cost you extra 300% on tax and debt service ratio stands average 70-80% per person. That will leave you very minimal in your take home pay. Public school/universities and government post/jobs is limited because you are a second class citizen. But if you are the “first” class citizen, you will stand in better chance in tendering for government projects, apply to public schools, obtain business loan from the govenment (in which never service the repayment), gets to enjoy additional 7% discount on new property purchases and etc etc. By the way, if you ever visit here, you will also notice there are tons of freeway/highway tol booths (we pay a lot to tol charges just to use these roads due to bad road planning that causes unbearable traffic jams), because these amenities are control by private sectors (more like government cronies).
And last but not least, your government will never openly say “GO BACK TO YOUR OWN COUNTRY!” when the people rally due to the hike in taxes and prices. Just for your info, my country is also run by RACE BASED POLITICS. Yes, you are right, a racist government. Work hard is all i can say, and thats what my ancestors have been doing for the past 100 years just to stay in this country. Which country you live in that does not expect you to contribute 101% of your time to work? Work hard and smart in the same time, to improve the economy and also to provide growth for all sectors and also your children’s future. Happy New Year Everyone and Wish You a Good Year ahead. (Hoping to come back to Vancouver in the near future)”
“I wanted to add my two cents on the comments made here. I have a honours degree from the UK, with a wealth of experience in my field. Coming to Canada was the worst mistake of my life. The hoarding of opportunities, rampant nepotism, intellectual racism and a lack of empathy for the immigrant experience is what sums up Canada for me. Despite my ability and experience I have been stuck here and aim to leave. Singh made a comment that rung so true: Canada is better for those less educated, willing to “live to work” instead of actually have a life. For the person who commented that people must not be able to converse in English hence the discrimination – this is categorically not true. My English is perfect so why am I being discriminated against. Furthermore, for those who say that why are people crying for things to be in their language and for there to be staff who speak their lingo I say this : is the immigrant tax dollar somehow cheaper than the born Canadians (the majority of whom were immigrant’s themselves!)? Why bring in foreign workers if you don’t aim to provide adequate services for them. Why is that other western countries provide services in different languages? Why do we not see people in power that reflect the very community it serves? Racism. And its not obvious racism but covert, sinister and probably the worst I have ever seen. I cannot wait to leave this country!”
“Moved to Toronto with wife and 2 daughters in 2009. I am ca from India and CPA from California USA. Candian ca institute did not recognized US CPA from California for reciprocal award of Canada CA. Got job after 3 months with Indian CGA for $1500 a month. Came back to India permanently after 2 months as not satisfied with job prospectus of CGA in Toronto. Settled at Mohali near Chandigarh with parents family income of Rs70k per month, feels satisfied”
“This country is awfully corrupt, as a student at George Brown College, I was forced to study college English and that course cost me C$1000, a course that I should have been exempted from, at the same time I received an exemption from a microeconomics course that should have saved me C$1000 but the college’s excuse for charging me C$1000 was that we pay on a per semester base and not on a course base this in itself is corruption as why must one pay for a course where one did not need to study for it, neither did I learn a thing and also I did not take up resources for it either.
I am beginning to hate this country, my professors have masters and Phds and yet their ability to calculate mathematical numbers is awful, my own un-educated mother has been able to calculate numbers mentally faster than I can and yet the Canadian professors themselves are not able to do so. Whats even worse is that backward mindedness, outdated material… is the order of the day at Canadian learning institutions.
We have many channels to take our complaints to, but the thing is that the channels are not able to do anything about it, this makes me wonder whether or not the channels were created for appeasing the distressed – they channels are like ‘toothless dogs” – (a metaphor), who only appear to give hope but cannot do anything at all.
Guys this country is just too corrupted and is comparable to a third world nation, the only difference is that it is slightly better managed. If you are well educated do not come to this country as it shall de-motivate you and possibly lead to a lowering of one’s IQ levels.
The country social cultural habits are very bad, the people are very oblivious and do not care about others at all. Don’t believe me, come and see it for your selves.
I also incurred a huge amount of expenses as the Canadian govt did not process my passport on time, I had to lose the amount of money for the earlier bought ticket spend an additional C$2250 more for a ticket at the last minute, I incurred additional phone charges close to C$60 + travelling costs close to another C$100 just to get my own passport. In total it cost me C$2410 for an un-employed student who has an interest rate of 19.99% on my credit card, I highly think that this is unfair and that the govt should have done a thing about this.
But then again this is Canada, in some aspects it is worse than a third world country (education, culture, mannerisms, tradition, common sense….)”
To those of you who say you left a good paying job in the US to come to Canada, I’d like to know why. I’m assuming it’s got to do with the inability to renew a work visa in the US. Canada has 1/10th the population of the US so why would you expect many opportunities here. I also think it’s interesting that many of you call Canada “racist” as Canada’s entire immigration system is based on how not racist we are and how we encourage people to come here to celebrate their diversity. Multiculturalism was a huge mistake and gave immigrants the idea that they could come to Canada and live like they’re still in their own country only with government perks and safety. The United States expects you to become an American first and you can celebrate your roots on your own time and dime. I know and work with lots of immigrants who have good paying jobs and good lives.
Canada has always been a place where there wasn’t that much opportunity and many native born Canadians have left for greener pastures for economic reasons and better weather. Why didnt you do your homework before you moved here. A lot of people come here to get a Canadian passport then leave which is incredibly deceptive and self serving. You want Canada to treat you like citizens when you actually hate the place and are not loyal to it at all. Just leave without the passport if you hate it so much. I’m an American and a Canadian. Both countries have their pros and cons. It is well known that Canada is a natural resource based economy and the US is a consumer based ecomony. If you couldn’t get into the US Canada is not the next best thing by a long shot. And getting a Canadian passport doesn’t suddenly make you more attractive to American immigration. They think Canada is full of terrorists because of a slack immigration policy.
As far as Canada being in the business of immigration? It was actually the Liberals in the business of bringing in people who would vote for them out of a sense of gratitude for letting them enter Canada. People who have been here awhile and have established themselves see through that one. If you are in fear of your lives in your own country then getting out and going anywhere safer is what you have to do. If you are leaving for a better materialistic life, go to the US. Canada will never be able to offer you the lifestyle you can achieve in the US. Note: if you move to the US and become a citizen or even just a green card holder, you will be filing tax returns and possibly paying taxes to the US for the rest of your life whether you live in the US or not. Their tax code is based on citizenship not residency, so if you naturalize in US and return to your own country Uncle Sam will have his hand in your pocket and the IRS will know every single bank acount, investment, etc. that you have as foreign banks have all agreed to allow this. I know as I file in US as well as in Canada and the IRS is extremely intrusive and my bank is afraid of them – as am I. Things really haven’t changed in Canada since I can remember, it’s all just hype as many of you have figured out. I”m back in Canada to care for family. May or may not return to US to retire. I work in healthcare and it’s just as bad there as it is here. And nepotism is worldwide.”
“It’s a cold country with colder people. Multiculturalism is a sham, and no one wants to know about your culture. People are box-minded and very, very conservative. Society is intellectually stunted. Very grave situation for qualified and educated immigrants. Hence, if you’ve come here, it’s best to get the best out of Canada. Avail all govt resources given out to immigrants (like free healthcare, though we pay for it, free education for children, different kinds of loans and grants, etc) get the citizenship and move out before you start earning so much that you have to pay heavy taxes. Moving to USA, Middle East or going back to India, Pakistan are the best options. And anyway, in other countries your Canadian citizenship status will get you a better pay package. Sad to say, but Canada cannot be called anyone’s home. It’s not ‘warm’ enough.”
“Not only immigrants and residents leave Canada because of bad jobs, bad pay, bad social life culture. Even natural born Canadians leave when they become frustrated and bored. Some provinces and cities are better than others, but the whole system is not as good as Asia, Europe, and some other continents. They will pay you your value and some have cheaper living costs to wages. Canada is all about corruption, nepotism, connections as merit, skills, experience does not matter. It is all a money sucking, rip off, Ponzie Scheme scam in its politics, education, medical, economic, and social systems. Screw you and thanks for your money sucker! The worse of them all is Vancouver Island, Victoria, BC, Canada. The city metro is very old money, old boys/girls network, culturally cold, cheap, and uptight. Read the people’s comments on http://www.ratemyemployer.ca, http://www.topix.com (Victoria BC section), http://www.yelp.com, http://www.thedirty.com, Yahoo Answers. Knowledge is power and ignorance will get you screwed.”
“Thank you G. Lawrence. Your comment is so impartial and full of truths. I came to Canada in 2009. I’ve invested a lot of my time in my studies (Msc in Computational Mathematics) and international certifications (CFA exams completed, SAS and C++ ), I speak and write French and English, but the only job I’ve done in this country is with call centers. If the government of Canada could present the immigration opportunity like Mr G. Lawrence, many immigrants would certainly not take the risk to come here, but the few adventurers would not complain. I’ve lost my career back home and my small saving during the 6 years I worked there. I’m planning my return in summer 2014 after having wasted 4 years of my life. I thing I can still catch up, God willing.”
“VERY true, you ever see an immigrant or for matter a 2nd generation brown immigrant with no qualifications in a top job No. Ever see a white canadian with college diploma in top job yes. Bottom line racism exists here a lot but Canadians will never tell you that to your face gave to keep up the nicest stereotype.”
“My parents immigrated here in 1990. I grew up in Canada, speak perfect English, and have a family here. I have 2 degrees, speak French and can’t get a job in anything other than temp work. I grab my Tim’s every morning just like everyone else, go camping in the summer, and am Canadian to the core. Between the 4 of us, my siblings and I are qualified in the following fields: travel agent, teacher, mechanic, and nutritionist. We pay taxes, we contribute to society. We are good people. But we can’t get anywhere. I don’ t know if it’s because we’re not white or because our last name isn’t Smith or Morin but it’s really frustrating. We can’t go anywhere because Canada is all we know. Why let people into the country when they can’t get jobs?”
“If only I can refund ALL the expenses I had here in this joke of a country, I’d take it and just go back to my country. Moving to Canada was the biggest mistake of my life.”
“Hi everybody…reading all comments was really good experience and eye opening for me. But I feel Canada has given us the opportunity to work, wherever we feel like, taken care of your health, by giving you health card, taken care of your children education, by free education and there are many more facilities and liberties Canada has given to us. Yes…. I am also leaving Canada. I also came with my wife and two daughter to Canada for my brighter prospects, brighter prospectus for my wife and good education for my daughters. But, here I realized that we are ill-equipped for Canada. I do agree with comments posted but not all comments. Its not Canada who is raciest, its people, People of different origins, different culture. different race and different background. They spread this. Canada has welcomed us here with his open arms but circumstances lead us to take this decision and feel like this. Ya, I do agree that we have to up-grade our education as per Canadian standards, then what’s wrong? Once we are in Canada, we should follow the Canadian systems otherwise we will spoil the system. Why we chose Canada – it was because of all these systems. We all know in our hearts that it was our deficiencies that we could not get adjust as per system. Remember those days when we applied for visa, waiting period, feel the feeling when we got the visa and finally we saw Canada. That’s commendable. Now what happened to us…? I feel that we are selfish.. Yes I do feel like this for myself. We should think in broader platform so it wont hurt us and will not shatter image of any country for our failures.”
“Thanks Baisakhi Roy for speaking out courageously. I too left Canada as being a qualified accountant, I do not want to work delivering pizzas and being security guard. I do not say such jobs are inferior, but a qualified accountant doing such jobs is a waste of talent and effort. Wherever I went seeking job, either I lacked ‘Canadian Experience’ or was ‘overqualified’. Applied more than 400 jobs and got only 2 calls for interview. The jobs offered were selling insurance or collecting debts. Thanks Canada for allowing to spend 5 years of savings in just a couple of months! Thanks Canada for the beer and Niagara Falls! Thanks Canada, you allowed to come and leave; and find better opportunities in other countries where my education and experience is valued; and feel sorry for you as you are loosing many educated and loyal future citizens.”
“My Canadian husband went to NZ to study and work in his mid 20s. Education is cheaper there, cost of living is low and there are plenty of jobs. He decided to return home after 10+ years so he could be near his elderly family during their final years and now finds that after 1 year he still can’t get a job here. He’s white, has long-standing ancestral ties to the area he lives in, and has three university degrees. He can’t even get an interview for anything, be it a highly paid job in his field or a min wage labouring job. No one is interested. I’m beginning to suspect his foreign degrees are actually working against him. He’s been out of the country too long and Canada doesn’t like that, eh? Sad situation. We may have to head back to NZ to survive.”
“Thanks for all your comments guys, specifically Tanya’s- pretty much genuine ones! I do not blame Canada, rather I do blame myself. If you are not satisfied of the quality of life you are having, FIND AN ALTERNATIVE!
Racism does exist (yet, some people are kind) – polished, well advertised diversity and multi-cultured life for immigrants with stress on the integration factor into the Canadian society that only exist in the fictional world (totally different story you find on ground) and, last but not least, the big title – The Canadian Experience that actually considered the worst worldwide where you will never get exposed to a real experience that will benefit you in any potential, future career goal or does not even match your academic qualifications.
For the lovely G. Lawrence’s comment about being deceptive to have a passport and leave the country! I am just wondering, isn’t it deceptive from being drawn to the country, spending more than $50k as premium international tuition fees, promised to be equally treated as per employment concern, working in a labor intensive sector, fast food and in overnight shifts in some warehouse and paid as low as $10.25……..who does that? Engineers, Programmers, MBA graduates or maybe, according to my experience, all of them plus a doctor, astonishingly, handed out to me a sandwich once in a fast food restaurant.
Without the immigrants, the tax payers, the economy would be history now. And for all who still wondering why bringing people in if there are no jobs? Well, immigrants, in most cases, injects into the country everything has brought from home-country and even they take loans in hoping that after getting the Canadian, fancy experience, they will land in a descent job – something related to their academic background. So it is a huge benefit for the economy; easy money invested in.
I feel sorry for all people who came here to live the North American Dream, they ended up working at Tim Hortons or McDonald!
To conclude, lots of potential people now are shifting towards other countries, like Australia – I still love Canada though.”
“I lived in Canada for 5 years from 2000 to 2005 and moved to US since. It’s the same shit everywhere I swear. My brother lives in England I visit him once a while. He is not rich and people in UK r struggling I’m talking about British citizens not immigrants….I have friends in France they hate the day they moved there and the french r the first people to consume anti depressant drugs in the world…In Australia, don’t think it’s easier u’ll suffer big time be4 finding a decent job and some immigrants left it because of its consisting bored weather(the same all year) and the feeling of being far away from the world…My advise is: if u have a good or decent job at home keep it, and if u can afford to travel, yes come here visit the US and Canada or elsewhere….if u r financially poor yes I recommend u to come here but unfortunately the odds r those people generally speaking won’t be able to make it here…that’s life…”
“I thought this my own problem, however, reading through the comments of others I get relieved. My story is almost similar to most of the stories outlined above. I came to Canada in 2011 as a PR. However, I did not stay permanently taking the advantage of staying 2 years in every five years. In August 2013, I resigned my well-paid Associate Professor job in one of the leading universities in the Gulf countries. By the way, I hold a Ph.D. in Management from a leading university in UK and more than 12 years of teaching and research experience.
Once I arrived I started to apply here and there, almost I applied for advertised jobs in more than 35 universities and colleges. I got only two interviews, for an instructor position in two different colleges, one in Alberta and the other one in Toronto (post-secondary education). The funny thing is that in Alberta college, 7 people interviewed me and non of them is a Ph.D. holder and after 3 weeks they replied negatively by telling me that the market is very competitive, given that the instructor position is considered below lecturer in the ladder of academic institutions (TA -Instructor -Lecturer -Assistant Professor – Associate Professor –Professor). The second interview held in November 2013 and the interviewee immediately told me that the college will start in take in March 2014, so I will contact you by that time to see what we are going to do, and to your knowledge the duration of this job is 5 weeks and it is contractual.
One university also send me an apology letter telling that we already selected the person to fill the job and your application was unsuccessful this time. The rest of places I applied for never contacted me. From that moment, I started to realize that there is no future for me in this country. The problem is that it is not easy to get back to my home country nor to the Gulf country where I came from. I am stuck at the middle. My immediate plan is to get survival job, till I get my citizenship and immediately leave this country.”
“Sure, constant incoming immigrants into Canada injects new money. However it is all short term, short sighted. It is only sustainable for now. Someday the whole scheming system will dry up and seize up. They don’t want you, only your money and assets. They could be more honest and just advertise for you to transfer all your assets to Canada and tell you to stay in your home country. You are just going to join the other birth Canadians in their job, economic, and social life depression. I agree with many of the other people’s comments on Ratemyemployer.ca, Topix.com, Yahoo Answers, and others.”
“Some provinces like British Columbia (BC) is sarcastically referred to as the province of Bring Cash. This is because BC is restricted, cheap pay, debt ridden, low savings, and poor compared to the other provinces of Alberta (AB), and Saskatchewan (SK) where you have a 1/4 change at any kind of job, BC has 1/98 chances. You have to bring your own own and friends to BC as you will not find any there.”
“Canada is not a nation for International doctors. Medical Council of Canada does not want them to be licensed practitioners even if they pass all medical licensing examinations. The Problem is that they do not get matched into residency.”
“I recently moved to Canada and was offered a job in a Senior position at ISM (a reputed organisation in Canada) through an employment agency. Although I applied for the same role directly through the organisation’s website but did not get any response rather when I applied through the agency I got the job immediately as a contractor for 12 months. As soon as I start my work, all my so called qualified and non-qualified white colleagues and Finance manager started doing sneaky politics and tried to confuse me since I do not have white skin.
One of the qualified accountants9who never attended in any class while he was doing his bachelor degree as he mentioned to me) commented that having a degree form UK does not qualify me to get a job in a senior position in Canada. Not to mention that, I completed my Master’s degree in Finance from a UK university and have 15 years of working experiences in many reputed organisations. My manager and junior staffs were forcing me to do data entry tasks and asked me to help them in their tasks despite I was recruited for a senior and supervising role. Some of them also shouted at me saying ‘As a Contract staff, I should do those jobs and help them in their tasks rather than carrying out my designated jobs.
My manager who is very lazy and unskilled (although he and others claim themselves well qualified accountant and putting their qualification tile in their email which I found very funny) unable to provide the quality jobs as the organisation was expecting. They all were constantly playing games with me since I joined at my work place and finally got rid of me in six weeks’ time saying, I do not fit in their team as I always try to contact with higher key people at the organisation (they tried to mean I always try to contact with the head of the department who is an FCO). What an excuse to get rid of an educated skilled people. People are in Canada are very sneaky and low mentality regardless their education level. If qualified people in a reputed organisation are like that, you can imagine the rest of the people in that country who do hardly have any education.
After losing my job just after six weeks in such a reputed organisation, I have decided to go back to England as working environment there is much better than Canada. In my short period of staying in Canada, I have learnt that Canadian people are rude, non-friendly, disrespectful and racist. These white people always forget that they are also immigrant and migrated from Europe to Canada. Canadian work experience will only teach you how to be non-productive, a lazy bugger and non-friendly. In the name of immigrating skilled people, Canadian’s are making money to keep their economy running.”
“if you are earning good in ur country than no need to come in this country. i think in recent years canadian government will pass the rule that every immigrant ,either highly educated or not ,must take admission in higher secondary school ( AGE NO BAR) so that he or she will understand the country.and people.i am B.Tech ( mech) M Tech and doing Phd . I AM GOING BACK WITHIN A MONTH”
“pfft did tax dollars fund them? these people are the minority. Most immigrants come from real hellholes and end up in low paying jobs here and wouldn’t move back to their shithole countries”
“My experience is not very different from most of the people who left their comments on this article. This place is a complete waste of time, money and energy. Shame on you Canada!”
“I came to Canada three years ago . I regret this decision as it ruined my life and life of my family. It’s the worst nightmare to become disillusionate, I have all my credentials recognized and found the job pretty quickly. My last year income is higher that national average by 40 gran. Yet it’s so fictional – half of my paycheck is being trimmed. I feel like a cow being milked – no motivation to move forward and to be achiever. What for ? Socialism sucks. As mentioned above – overrated, outdated, uncultural, disgusting weather, what else? Arrogant hard headed people. I hate it here. I will run away as soon as I am getting my Masters”
“canada can not even look after their own people,the white canadians,yet alone look after immigrants. just stay in your country and make it better.canadians are tired of immigration coming to canada and taking what jobs are here,canada does not feel like canada to older canadians,racism is worst with immigrants moving here and not respecting canadian culture,thinking they can do what ever they want,not speaking english or pretending you can’t so we had enough stay home and make your country all it can be. our soldiers did not go to war just to have immigrant take for their own,that is why you have a hard time here. you have no respect.”
“Oh wow, there really is corruption everywhere! All of your should have heard about the Victoria BC McDonald’s Restaurant corruption (Topix, Victoria BC Canada) by now on various media? McDonald’s franchisees lied to the Canada Government temporary foreign workers program about not being able to find any Canadians to do the work. The foreign workers were favoured in FT, promotions, over Canadians. The foreign workers were also made to work overtime without pay and end up being paid less then BC minimum wage. McDonald’s Canada is now cutting off the franchisees and investigating all the others across Canada. The Federal Government is now talking about fines and possible prison time for the McDonald’s franchisees. The owners got their pictures on TV for all to see.The owners only brought in foreign workers to avoid Canada labour laws and standards for excessively greedy profit. Many say the Temporary Foreign Workers Program should be scrapped and Canadians first.”
“WOW! What can I say? I have been dreaming about Canada for years now. I have always love Canada. But now, I am so confused. I have a friend that works in oil and gas. And others are doing good as well. I’d love to settle in Canada. But all these comment confuse me big time.”
“Richard, does Canadian have any culture or history? Are you not immigrants who were migrated from Europe few years back? Do not make yourself stupid by calling others Immigrant. Canada, USA and Australia are all immigrant country. Before asking others to go back to their country, why don’t you and your four fathers go back to Europe from where you originally came from? Mr English speaker, could you let know what language do you speak when you travel or reside in China, Dubai or other parts of the world? Do you speak in their native language or in your native language? How many language you dumb and non-qualified people can speak? You racist, moron people will only learn how to hate and find fault in others. If you ever come to abroad let me know, I will force you to speak in other language and will see how good you are in that language.”
“Damilola, your friends impleaded you. Most of the immigrant tells the same story to their friends and always encourage them to come to Canada so that they can live with their love ones. In reality, living in Canada is like a hell. Canadian people are racist, arrogant, non-friendly, rude, do not know manners at all, corrupt, etc. Perhaps Canadian white people are the worst and most racist people on earth. They are ruthless and treat you as their slave. If you want to live in Canada doing low profile job then come and do the Canadian white people slavery as that’s the way these Canadian white people treat other nationalities. You will end up living with the most disgusting people & place on earth. That’s all I can say with my recent experiences in Canada. Check YouTube and see how these white Canadian people treated minority Native people who are actually real Canadian. I have also included some other links of you tube.
Spread all these news and let the people know. So that they will stop coming to this country and wasting their money and time. Canadian Government just want all other nations to come to this country to inject their money into their economy. Once the immigrant will stop coming to Canada, their economy will start collapsing and lazy Canadian will realise how immigrant actually were contributing in Canadian economy.
I would urge to all, that treat all Canadian white people ( when they go to abroad) in the same way they treat other nationalities. Do not show any respect to them and behave rudely with them. They should get a lesson that how it feels like.”
“Canada busy for nothing , no real social life . criminal organisation which exist even without a constitution.. quebec never signed it”
“What is to be confused about Canada? The bad, selfish, greedy Canadian employers who are unreasonably greedy would turn the Canadian citizens and the less protected foreign temporary workers into modern day slaves if they could. They would prefer to pay everyone zero if they could get away with it. The Canadian labour fraud news coming out of BC, Alberta, Saskatchewan, Newfoundland, probably in every province should be proof enough for everyone. You will give up up your relative good life to be an abused slave in Canada. Even the Canadians themselves are beginning to backlash against foreign temporary workers and the shady employers that brought them in. The resentment will only grow. Royal Bank of Canada tried to fire all their Canadian IT staff and ordered them to train their Indian foreign replacements, until RBC got exposed to the media. Some mining company in Northern BC tried to bring in 200 Chinese miners until they got exposed and the unions filed lawsuits in court. This kind of thing is now spreading all over Canada. The country is a sinking ship as a society. Why join up to sink along with the others?”
“In canada there is hardly any decent job available but it’s government still welcoming immigrant saying that they need skilled people. This is quite misleading info by higher authority of a country. You can easily figure out why they are doing this. Just to make money. If each immigrant bring at least $ 10000 as per immigration rule and each year 250000. Now do your math. It’s whopping 250 billion dollar (or more as most of the immigrants bring more than $10k ) injecting into their economy every year. In return most of the highly qulified immigrant work as taxi driver, security guard, or other low profile job. This is what the real scenario of canadian immigration.”
“I moved to Canada from the USA with my family, my wife found a job, put after 9 years I still haven’t got any replies from companies I applied to, I’m a retired aircraft mechanic, I have an FAA license which in Canada it’s not valid, I don’t understand why because they use a USA curriculum and books from the FAA to get their license, in Canada the mechanics are considered engineers, a title that came from the British and in England a plumber is considered an engineer by title, I find Canada just wants to be above everybody else, I know I can run circles around any Canadian mechanic they throw at me, so get off your high horses.”
“It is not just the immigration system that is syphoning money out of immigrants and foreign temporary workers. The post secondary education system is doing the same thing to Canadian and foreign students. They accept endless numbers of students and charge them different kinds of fees, taxes, tuition, in various programs without any consideration if the students will be able to find enough jobs. All they want is your money and you are on your own. If you can’t find work, they will be happy to sell you more expensive courses for a price, endlessly.”
“Canadian’s are notorious and uncivilzed. They do not know manners at all. That’s why many well educated and decent immigrants leave this shitty country.”
“The problem with immigration in Canada is very much the same as in any other country, be it first or third world. The prevailing idea behind economics, and therefore labour, is that business people need a work force to carry out tasks the business owner does not or cannot do in order to amass as large an amount of capital (power and privilege) as possible to forever weather the undesirable blows dealt to the individual by the system the individual itself promotes; in oder words a vicious circle. This is the real principle behind job creation. Very seldom is an original business idea revolutionary enough to provoke a meaningful change in the social and work-place fabric, fact most evidenced by the design of work spaces themselves. It then becomes clear that the inner workings of an economy respond to the perceived needs of those who have managed to climb the socio-economic ladder either through their efforts, their connections or the combination of both.
To my knowledge there is no country which has the would be very honourable practice of asking its immigrants for what they are able to contribute to society. Business people are very narrow minded and therefore not in the least bit concerned with the healthy functioning of society; such conception is simply too broad for them, it escapes their mental structure. True concern about a sound social inner working means not only investing but also agreeing on crucial matters (the creation of a social contract). This more often than not is seen as a hindrance to obtaining privileges. In general, the modern world is privilege and not rights oriented.
Canada occupies a very particular place (like any other country) due to its history as a business enterprise of the British crown and the upper class behind it. Canadian society is not particularly enterprising, unlike the US or many other first world countries. Canadian life revolves around a notion of stability and security that disables attempts at adventurous creation, to the extent of not yet experiencing a real coming of age of some of the arts, even when compared with some developing countries like Mexico, where this aspect of productive life is in a state of crisis and decay.
Canada had the fortune of living in a state of peace good enough to introduce social democracy after the Second World War without having to go through the struggles of Western Europe to achieve it. The result is an endangered welfare state constantly pelted with invectives and all kinds of unreazonable accusations by those who seek to either not pay taxes or use state funds for their private gain (socializing losses and privatizing gains).
There are immigrants who will always struggle to addapt to Canada simply because of the material entourage; one example that comes to mind is that of the Russians. It is not the same to have been born and raised in places like Moscow, St. Petersburg or Kiev (to mention just a few), adorned with magnificent colossal buildings hundreds of years old, exhudating beauty and a conception of life quite different to commercialism, to suddenly finding oneself at the intersection of Yonge and Bloor. To the defenders of profit in spite of everything else, the previous comment might seem ridiculous and even an unmistakable evidence of feebleness, but to those who need to feel there must be something of a different nature and uplifting enough to strive for, it comes as a bitter disappointment. I gather the same is true about places like Australia and New Zealand. In a nutshell, migrating should not be an act triggered only by the vague prospect of future economic stability or even gain, but should be the result of a profound research and reflection on the characteristics of a country and the personal constitution: “Who am I?”, “What am I willing to put up with?”, “Is this an adventure to reinvent myself or to improve my quality of life?”, unless, of course, it is the result of a dire emergency. Always remember at present countries do not issue policies of any kind on consideration of the many (wherever they might be from), but of the very few.”
“New immigrants and foreign temporary workers are often treated like slave workers by their all controlling employers, because the more knowlegeable local workers know all the employment laws and human rights legislations. The employers want a more exploitable work force that will bend over at every command. The Temporary Foreign Worker corruption scandal that is spreading like a disease across Canada, from Victoria BC is an example of what is wrong. The various levels of governments need to follow the general will of the people and heavily enforce and punish the unscrupulous employers when they step out of line. Most employers can not be trusted to be non parasite and totally self centred to the detriment of the broader society. Employers would turn everyone citizen, immigrant, or foreign worker into a slave industry. These kinds of scandal serve a purchase of cleansing the unreasonably exploitive and excessive employers. They are not too smart in the long term. They are saving $1 to get back $20 in hassle and inconvenience. Employers today are very short term thinkers. They would eat themselves and the entire market to death if allowed complete freedom to do whatever they want.”
“The only people who can afford to live in Canada are the corporate crooks, not only are the immigrants being screwed here so are the Canadians who were born here. We are being nickle and dimed to death, there are so many scam companies and the government here does nothing to help the consumer who’s been ripped off. My advice to immigrants, stay in your own countries and make it work there. Coming here is a big mistake. We can`t even have a life here, all this stupid government wants out of us is to work and pay taxes.”
“I have a nice job in Canada , though most of my Canadian colleges look at me as if i stool this job from them. They sting mew with the racism poison by asking stupid questions . Most white dudes are also immigrants to Canada for sure- Racism for sure – big time racism – They think we don’t know it ……”
It’s a sad reality, but as a born Canadian with roots dating back to the 1600s on my maternal side, 1st generation on my father side, I too feel a false sense of security or opportunity to create a decent life over here. With corrupt inner workings (aka, government and big establishments) feeding off the backs of hard, honest, working individuals. This is the price we pay for capitalism in Canada, unfortunately most of the profits are shared among the elite (the so-called 1%) while the rest are thrown peanuts struggling to make end meets.
I too see the decline of quality of life over the years and not because of mass immigration, but government and corporate greed. If you have a conscience, believe in fair play and honesty, or want to have a work-life balance, don’t expect to last very long or feel content with your life. Plenty of Canadians are drowning in debts and this creates a haven for employers, banks and institutions alike. This is what is call modern slavery, not by race or ethnic background, but by financial obligations and it draws out fear, abuse, deceit, dissatisfaction, and why many are turning against each other.
Not just immigrants feels delusional, but many Canadian born individuals as well. As one of my friend would put it describing Canada, “you feel like a hamster running on a treadmill, not going or gaining anything.” I too looked at emancipating myself from my own birthplace, but then the economic crash happened and it’s like I feel stuck for the moment.
I’m also a seasoned traveler and been to many different parts of the world, and I do know as one might say, ‘it’s always greener on the other side of the fence’ (I do know, it is very different when you are a tourist as oppose to being a citizen), however, with my experience, I’ve never met so many Canadians who feel so dissatisfied with their life as to the locals I’ve met among my travels.
“A constant struggle” as one of my coworker would put it and not to mention, we also have to content with cold, harsh climate (this year is particularly brutal) which does not make the matters any better. I’ve always said, we are locked indoors, workaholics for 8 months of the year, and only have a life and feel human, when we are able to go outside and enjoy the weather the other 4 months of the year. That’s not what I call a decent, satisfied life, but then again, we are reminded of many politically unstable regions parts of the world, and you think, well Canada is not as bad as them, but again there are so many others that are better.
On one last note, I don’t see a bright future for Canada, only on the decline, the rich will get richer, and the poor will get poorer and the rest of us, well, will work like a fool paying the majority of the taxes. But on a brighter note, our climate should get warmer thanks to the world polluting, we may not be able breathe clean air, but we will experience warmer temperatures due to global warming as the years are yet to come. FYI, the Canadian government and probably the American government too, is monitoring your message under the umbrella of “National Security”. That’s democracy in it’s highest level.
I don’t blame anyone who want to leave, it’s hard to make a decent living here in Canada. Either you are lucky enough to find a job in your professional field, but usually pays on a salary basis (clever employers whom come up with this just to hire less and squeeze more out each individual) which turns you to a slave (you don’t leave until the job is done and many times, take home with you) or you are under employed or unemployed and in most case, feeding the post-secondary institutions (another powerful enterprise) or you not employable, then you are on the mercy of government hand-outs. Whichever way, you look at, your screwed either way unless you have no conscience, dishonest, deceitful, self-centered, greedy or criminally minded, then you will thrive well here which is how the country is run.”
“It would be unfair to generalize the entire Canada, because some areas of Canada are protected native reserves, but probably most of the issues are centralized within major metropolitan areas such as Toronto, Vancouver, Ottawa, Hamilton, etc?
First, if an immigrant was starving in his/her home country, then Canada will be great for improving your standard of living, until the economy can no longer sustain the corruption and unemployment, and austerity on social services come into effect–Read the stories about austerity in the European Union.
However, if an immigrant was earning a middle to upper class income in his/her home country–DO NOT come to Canada unless you are GIVEN a JOB which pays over $60k a year.
Most of the jobs are in the urban centres of Canada, and with the current economic depression, it is hard to find any job which pays over minimum wage. Rent isn’t cheap either, and renting a room in a shared home in Toronto can amount to at least $400 a month depending on the nearness to the upscale areas of downtown or Yonge Street.
Another topic worth mentioning, the Canadian job market favours certain groups and genders of people, that in the democratic Canada, if one were to publicly express any grievance or corruption over certain demographics of people, it will be considered a criminal offense or defamatory comments.”
“I agree that the Canadian job market was racist even in the 1970s and 1980s, but back then if anyone worked hard enough, they could save enough money and live comfortably. But as of now, the society of urban Canada is leaned towards corporatism, narcissism, nepotism, corruption, Marxism, xenophobia and worship of the Almighty dollar.
The education in Canada reeks of profane and pro-Marxist material, that will make the most conservative immigrant shudder in disgust.
Most of the public schools in Canada are more interested in promoting corporatism, political agendas, illicit behaviour and dumbing down rather than teaching students into becoming entrepreneurs of the future. In other words, the public schools indoctrinate their students to become corporate labourers in a very competitive labour market.
The Canadian workplace would be seen as a culture shock to some newcomers. If a white Swiss immigrant was overlooked in his job potential, imagine the situation if it was a racialized minority. The problem stems from the early 2000s, when a certain Marxist social movement was being promoted on the internet, using sentences like the 77 cents per dollar, a social movement endorsed by government, a social movement campaigned by middle and upper class white.
This is where the job market began to favour certain genders over another because the employers were either scared to be sanctioned by the big government, or that once the white middle-upper class activists managed to infiltrate the job market, they hired one gender over another ignoring the qualifications, some businesses have to reach gender quotas!
So if a 40 year old male Indian Manager was to apply for a job in Canada, it would not be surprising to hear that the job was given to a person who has another gender who grew up in the Canadian indoctrination system, because the employers know that the 40 year old immigrant will end up in trouble with the Marxists and the snobs in the workplace.
Don’t even get started with the flouride in the water, big government, NSA spying, the mistreatment of Aboriginals, income disparity in Canada.”
“After 9 years of job discrimination and rampant nepotism, I emigrated with my wife and daughter to the USA, a wise move. I hear the complaints of Asian immigrants who make the mistake of settling in Canada. I am of German origin and have the skin and hair color that would please the most “discriminating” Canadian business and government managers. Yet that still wasn’t good enough for them Their (cowardly) excuse was that I did not have the “kind of expereince we’re looking for”. I realize “never” is a powerful word. Nonetheless, I will never set foot on Canada again !”
“People visiting Canada on vacation for 2 weeks have a wonderful time spending their own money on food, entertainment, shopping, and then they leave for home. Working and living long term is not that good. The money, promotions, and just ordinary work prospects are really low. A big part of the problem is the government and private company employers are just playing useless, time wasting games with job applicants. Even when they say they are hiring, it is a fake lie. They will find some kind of excuse to not hire. They will expect you to work for almost free if they manage to hire any staff. They are making their own company worker shortages as their old employees quit when unable to tolerate their employers any longer.”
“Hi all, very interesting article & comments section. I have been working for 10 years, out of which 8 years in places other then my native. one thing for which i am sure is that discrimination/racism is everywhere. Wherever I went I have observed, locals gets the first preference, and I am kinda used to with it. My concern is the level of racism/discrimination. currently I work in Middle East-Arabic region, I see rampant racism, particularly with Indians, who are seen as labor machines (I am a highly qualified engineer/working in an MNC in Oil & Gas) locals enjoy all day with no responsibility. and in Middle East one will never become a citizen, which can be possible in Canada. So, I am also applying for a Canadian PR! To be honest, I don’t think Canadian employers are that stupid/racist to prefer lazy/unproductive locals over hardworking/productive/intelligent immigrants….if this is true in Canada also then its equal to Middle East. Fingers crossed!”
“I went for PhD at UofA. My supervisor sucks real bad and stipend was very low. Was depressed and felt cheated. Came back to India finally, 3 months back. Though, no job right now, but I feel confident that I will do good with my life.”
“These companies here in Canada are a joke, they don`t want to hire anyone, or if they do hire its for minimum wage, yet they got their pissy mitts out for our money.”
“To all the people who wish to immigrate and to international students:-You can only dream of a job that gives you respect and good salary. If you are Indian you will easily get a job as most of the business owners are Indians other than that its a tough ride. First mistake that that I did was to take a masters degree from a university. Never ever take a masters degree in Canada. Employers don’t even value them and will term you as overqualified. Then what I did was to take the masters degree from my resume and finally I got a part time job as a night auditor in a motel(that is the best job I got so far) and also I work in a restaurant and often go for catering rest of the days.All in all I Work about 70 hours a day. The economy is stagnant and there is nothing here.”
“Canada is devolving into a hewer of wood and drawer of water economy. The business class has no intention of deploying their capital to create opportunities for workers in industrial concerns, the way they used to in the 60s and 70s. Now, they would rather invest overseas. Come to Canada for things like education, if you must, but I wouldn’t advise any immigrants to have high hopes of having a great career in this country anymore. Business and government have developed into a parasite class and I don’t foresee a change in this anytime soon. Emerging markets are the place to be going forward.”
“I commented above about never obtaining a ft job in canada that lasted. It is true that most of the govt job bs are through networks so your resume and education means nothing and this applies where you just came from india or your white and here a few centuries. I had a fed govt job in 1990 as a casual and it was shutdown and guess what? Only bilinguals kept their jobs and .were transferred and the rest of us lost our jobs. I also want to comment on education and how canada has changed. In the 1980 and 1990s most people only needed a 2 year college diploma and if you were smart and worked hard that job was forife and you later were promoted. But things changed alot since then. We had massive immigration from around the world and technology advanced alot as well. Now most jobs require a masters degree where in 1990 they didnt. So people like myself are left behind.”
“Post secondary college, university education is an over priced, nearly useless Ponzie Scheme. The schools, businesses, governments are more than happy to extract tuition, book fees, activity fees, parking fees, administration fees, and taxes out of you while knowing well there are not enough jobs at all levels for all the students. Even if you graduate, you are most likely going to become indentured student debt slaves for a very long time. You will have school debts and still no better or stable jobs. Unless you can own capital such as property, patent rights, copyrights, means of wealth production, you will always just be someone’s low paid or even high paid bitch.”
“My dad foresaw the future when the liberals took over canada. In 1990 he tried to convince me to move to the US where i could secure a food job in my field and i also have relatives so there which helps tour application even more. I made the mistake of living in the multicultural big cities which is a white wiman’s denise but i never realized it at the time. All these programs to help nonwhites and after 15 years its niw impossible for me to get into a govt job in my own country.”
“Canada is country ? Are you all serious ? Everyone in this world knows that Canada is not country – Canada is territory created by Brits and improved by USA. Canada is world-known joke which ever existed. Jacques CARTIER’s precocious description of Canada when he for the first time stepped on it : Land God Gave to Cain”
“And the last, if to be really honest , Canada is good only for three reasons :
1) To get passport for international travels (if you are from third world country who does need visa everywhere)
2) To get “easy” money (only in Canada the thieves from government aren’t persecuted, no even not trialed !!!!!! Even in third world countries sometimes government are punished and in Chine are shot (death punishment). But only not in Canada where government can easily and openly steal and embezzle money ).
3) For hard, stupid workers from third world countries (like Philippines and etc.) who are ready to work for minus – 1 $ an hour .That’s all.
For other things there are even no reason to live here as this artificial territory, sorry “country” doesn’t have a future ! (here is still past century of eighties and it’s not going to be any improvements and modernization). Beware this garbage – Canata (big village) !”
“I too had a not sooo very good experience, I have been living here for 20 years, I already have my education/international training in the oil and gas industry before I came here as an independent immigrant. I am non white and the first thing they asked me when i called for an interview is if I have a canadian experience? like helloo?? been here that long and I can tell you, everything that govt provided me is to tax me more and more and more. I could not even get any help other than asking me to pay more and more taxes. all I can say is, they make me feel that I am lucky to be a canadian, now I am looking into getting out of this cold frigid country.”
“and taxes out of you while knowing well there are not enough jobs at all levels for all the students. Even if you graduate, you are most likely going to become indentured”
“After reading all these comments i realized how lucky I am to be here in India. May be i am earning less salary but i have peace of mind..my society respects me. After reading comments from Indians..Germans..i feel who is in third world country?! Guys come back to India..now after Modi becoming as a PM..I am sure good days are going to come. Use your talent to benefit locals. Thank you for sharing your honest opinion. May God bless you all and show you correct path.”
“Well. I have lived in Canada for 20 years, traveled extensively, met all sorts of people and I can pretty much say that by now I see the big picture. Yes, Canada has it’s problems but on a larger scale it is one of the best countries to live in and those who are willing to get to where they want to be do so (I have seen it many times), it just takes time and effort – sometimes lots of it. Such is life! One thing I can’t stress enough: Do en extensive research on Canada before you immigrate here. Come and spend some time here first, if you can. Best of luck!”
“I immigrated to Canada in 2000 under the skilled workers program, I was never told that my education would not be equal to a Canadian. I went to school for 3 yrs in UK and became an RDT. I had always wanted to immigrate. The first year I arrived, I got a job right away. To apply for my registration, I had to work 1080 hrs in Ontario, which I did. When I had my credentials assessed they said although I was equivalent to the 3 yrs at George Brown they felt I hadn’t completed the course in enough in college hrs, hence I had to go back to college and do the 3 yrs in Canada. I was then let go from my employer as they needed an RDT. Since then I have worked in cleaning and for other dental clinics but I am talked down and am not allowed to advance at all.
I have recently decided to go back to school but now have to sit Grade12 English, math and a science. I was told I needed Canadian English. I also need an English test which costs $150 to get my citizenship (Celpip), The Canadian English Language Proficiency Index Program.
I have struggled for years in Ontario and can’t make enough money to go back to the UK. Canada is an education discriminative country. I shall struggle on …..”
“I had arrived to Canada in March 2011. Rapidly, I prepared Canadian style resumes and sent them to the relevant recruiting companies. I only got one interview with no result. Then I went to Access Employment for baking issues and got CSC. Despite I had 12 interviews with the banks, none worked out. Soon, I got two different CSR in two different companies, both funded by the government; in both cases, when the government payment for half of the salary dried u, the companies laid me off. I had to take a security guard position in which, currently , has been more than 2 years.
Having applied to the citizenship last April, I am awaiting to have the citizenship granted, say, in 2 years. I enrolled into CFA but I know perfectly well that it will not serve me here but perhaps in the USA. But there certain things that I waned to share with you regarding the money issues.
During the interviews with the ban officials, they were impressed about my money management results and tried to obtain the “secrets” of it (same goes in the university of Ryerson where I took some finance courses). Then, while working as a security guard in one of the Toronto condos, I met some traders and when they had learnt that I knew the trading techniques, they were upset.
The point that I wanted to make is that, if they figure out that you know how to deal with your money and you have the potential to become rich by your own, they are really getting pissed of because, they don’t want you to be successful for they want you to work for them as a simple unskilled worker forever… Guess what?! If you start to get rich, they will start to harass you all the way with unfounded allegations. I had sent my resumes to some websites such as job bank. And the only calls I received were CSR, security guard and marketing of financial products (because had worked in these field in Canada). But nothing regarding what I did back at home.
M advice to you would be to look for other opportunities in the South while collecting international certifications + Canadian citizenship. I believe that it would be more valuable to look at Canada from that point of view. I agree with the unfavorable comments but one has to take advantage of the system and use it as a tool or leverage in order to move to a better position in the South or in Europe. Good luck!”
“As the saying goes in Indian language…Canada is a place for the “Mazdoor or the Majboor”. Translated ” for the labourer or a person who has no choice”. Either you open your own mum and pop shop, drive a taxi or work as a security guard, if you are educated forget it just not the right place to come to. The Canadian system will indifferently convert your foreign Bachelors or Masters degree’s equivalent to some basic diploma or associate degree here and there onwards starts your rut with the job market. I have heard of maybe 1 out of 10 qualified immigrants making it and happy in their profession, the rest are just about surviving.”
“My husband and I are established university professors with PhDs from American universities. We were living in Brazil with our daughters when invited to attend a lecture at the local Canadian consulate. The staff encouraged us to apply for permanent residency as skilled workers even though we were in our 40s. We were given a seemingly perfect opportunity: to live in a country that values higher education and provides a healthy environment in which to raise young families.
We received our stamped passports thirteen months later and landed in Vancouver, BC, in 2007. Two months upon our arrival, we were hired as sessional instructors by the best universities in town. We (and every job hunter) thought it would not take long before we landed in permanent positions because we speak English, have accreditations and experience.
We soon realized that the dream of becoming a university teacher in Canada was not meant to be. We heard phrases like “You are overqualified”, “You are expensive”, “Universities are not hiring in your field”, “Most openings are for contract positions”, and, finally, “Managers do not like to hire over 40 years old”. We then moved to plan B. I was hired as a Research Associate while my husband worked as a Curator. The uncertainty of our future, with no job security but pressing financial responsibilities, took the best of us and, after 8 years, we decided to go home.
During our stay, we met people from all over the world. Some were kind enough to share their stories. Many gave up careers to go back to school and obtain Canadian diplomas. Others switched jobs. Some families split, with some of their members remaining in Canada while others live abroad. The majority went back home, where they have gratifying and productive lives. Their stories are those of disappointment, resentment and hatred. They are being told in this magazine, on TV (Lang & O’Leary The Exchange, “Fewer Jobs for Immigrants, 2011), and in the newspapers (New York Times, “Immigrants in Canada: have PhD, must sweep”, 2005). Many of them are from immigrants like us, experienced and with PhD degrees.
Why is this happening in Canada, an underpopulated country with declining birth rates, aging population, and shortage of skilled labour in many areas? Specialists say that discrimination has been playing a major role in the job market. According to them, Canadians are better educated now, with many possessing more than one post-secondary degree. Several immigrants report that they had experienced unfair competition during hiring procedures.
The immigration of university professors confirms that Canadian immigration policies need urgent revision. They reflect a lack of understanding not only of the impediments of recruiting highly qualified foreigners but also of the prospects of retaining them permanently. According to the Canadian Association of University Teachers (CAUT), post-secondary institutions have been massively hiring sessional instructors, who are poorly paid and have no benefits, job security or academic freedom. CAUT’s campaign “Fairness for Contract Academic Staff” has been ongoing for years.
Surprisingly, university professors remain an eligible profession for Canadian immigration as recently announced by Canada Immigration & Citizenship and the BC government. The situation in BC raises a new concern. Many post-secondary institutions now require that their applicants obtain the “BC Provincial Instructor’s Diploma” to qualify for sessional instructor positions, which will prevent newcomers to find jobs immediately. The message is clear: your chances of getting hired are slim without Canadian certifications, regardless of your academic background.”
“Canada in general is a ponzie scheme fraud. Some regions maybe worse than others. The Canadian born students are over educated, unemployed or under employed, and overly indebted for almost the rest of their lives. Forget hoping to buy a house, car, vacations, have a family, or expensive toys. By the time you manage to pay off your extortionate student loans (increasing price for diminishing returns of value), you will be too finished to afford anything else, even if you do manage to get related or unrelated work. The managers, supervisors, owners will not hire you if you have too much education as that threatens their positions. They will also not hire you if you are not educated enough because think you are not smart enough to be used, while also not smart enough to be a threat to them. Go to the youtube CBC documentaries “Generation Screwed”, and CBC Doc Zone “Generation Jobless”. The future of Canada is declining living standards, increasing inefficiency, lost future generations, society decline, economic decline, political decline, and a Baby Boomer generation that will scorch Earth everything, everyone else. The ruling Baby Boomers will see their pensions, real estate, and other assets collapse as the younger ones have no jobs, no money, no confidence to buy their assets. Clueless immigrants and temporary foreign workers are trying to join this decline.”
“If I was going to leave Canada where would I go that is a good place. Canada is getting too crowded. I have a fairly decent job but hate the congestion, pollution and crime that is growing in this country.”
“A friend and I recently went to a Human Resources managers question and answers forum organized by a private sector hiring contractor. Five HR managers from 5 large public and private sector organizations showed up to answer questions from attendees. I hard always suspected that Canadian hiring reps just put most of the job applications, resumes, references from mail, email, facsimile machine, immediately in the recycling container or shredder. They then keep advertising for the same jobs endlessly. One of the HR managers was truthful to say that any resumes they did not like for whatever reasons would be thrown away and destroyed if they did not impress within 11 seconds. The other 4 HR managers tried to keep quiet and bypass this question, but their body language gave away their thoughts. Applying for any kind of Canadian work, at any level, or pay grade is like going to the work market casino. You only get some kind of job if you win the work lottery. Your education, skills, enthusiasm does not matter. You are just expendable.”
“I have read all of the comments and I agree with a lot of them. Things have not really changed towards immigrants since the ’60s. You do not have Canadian experience was the familiar cry. You have to improve your English, although you are from an English speaking country and only know English. You just can’t get a promotion, yet the secretary of the fairer race who cannot write a proper letter or proofread their documents or have proper administrative skills gets promoted to an administrative position and goes up and up.
I am speaking from another angle. High school, George Brown, a few courses at night school and Ryerson before it became a university. Dozens of workshops at work along the way in every area for my job. I saw the first set of computers, worked on them. It was just as tough for us but although they took advantage of us, we as women were able to live a half-decent life but with one price, owing the bank. So now that people are much more educated, you are experiencing the same thing that a lot of us experienced, the only difference is that it hurts you more. And to the person who said that all the employers and job owners are Indian, you must only have Indian friends working in an Indian community. I worked and lived in downtown Toronto and I have worked in the white corporate world. I never saw an Indian boss or employer. It is not easy, Racism is subtle and so is discrimination here.
Canadians would kill you if you said that they are prejudice, but many of them are. When you see them outside of your job after they have told you their life stories, they conveniently shift their eyes. They do not invite you to their homes and they don’t want to hang out with you. Walk by the restaurants and check the scene out. I dress properly, smell clean, quite attractive, was brought up in a middle class/upper middle class home, a combination of both at different times, yet, I have gone through a lot of rejection with Canadians. I have been even told how come I can dress the way I do for who I am. Am I supposed to dress in rags and smell? Am I not suppose to have extra skills and talents? I am here because I can’t do any better because I do not have any relatives in my homeland and I left when I was just out of school.
So I have learnt to adapt and accept Canada as my home that is what has given me peace of mind. I will tell you one thing, I am not going to be ashamed when I am old and in need help to go to the government. I worked my bones off. Thank God, I can survive now and don’t need any help otherwise I would just have become another statistic. I have paid my dues in taxes to this society and have helped to make way for visible minorities to be more accepted in this society. Just imagine being the only person on the train sometimes with everyone being afraid to sit next to you. Try imagining that.”
“Angie I am a white woman and I never got to get married, have children or have the middle class life (although I grew up middle class in the east). I just want to advise you that there are many white people who live in high insecurity in jobs and housing its not just immigrants. I had to leave my birth city 7 times and I am college educated. I could have got a degree but I did not know what I liked at the time. I have not been able to secure a ft job since 2008. I only held two temp jobs since then. I lost my apt more than once and had to live in rooms in ottawa as my EI ran out. I am mixed white race but color does not matter. Its more and more competitive in canada because there are fewer and fewer good jobs and there is more and more competition.
When I grew up canada was almost all white in fact I never heard the term multiculturalism until my high school graduation in 1982. My high school was 97% white and so was by city and province. All I knew of other races was what I could see in a book until I moved to toronto in 1989. As far as you stating you are not invited to peoples homes guess what the same thing holds true for whites. Minorities stick to their own for the most part and now that there are many the dont even speak english, so this make us feel out of place.
I think whites are alot more open than any other race. I see alot of bigoted minorities who judge you on very little knowledge since they know very little about your culture. This is more and more the problem in canada, we are suppose to learn about you but minoriites dont have a clue about a white person and judge us all the same and we are not the same we are very different as we come from many races. Think if u had to live in india and all the male sexist men who live there u should be grateful its not like that here, your are respected alot more. Same for a black woman.”
“I used to be able to get almost any job with my education and work experience, sometimes 2-3 job offers at a time. Now, even getting a fast food, retail, food service, other low end job is almost like going through Customs at the airport or land border crossings. The guy about who mentioned the Canadian Broadcasting Company documentaries Generation Screwed, Generation Jobless is very relevant. Everyone is over educated, under employed, indebted for life, and the entire Canadian society and systems will collapse one day from the decline, dysfunction, and systemic corruption and incompetence.”
“On the matter of Canada marriage, family, children, and related costs, it is better for you male or female to just remain single and save your money. A Youtube documentary by some USA college professor said the middle class is dying out. The only increasing social groups are the poor and high class rich. Having family and children is bankrupting the middle class because children, better neighbourhoods, better housing, better schools, more cars, more children associated expenses, are all inflation to insane heights. Her report was also from 2007, one year before the 2008 world Great Recession. Men and women have sexual needs, agreed. The solution is just to have Friends With Benefits and casual sex without children or family related high costs, unless you like to become one of the declining and bankrupt, disappearing middle class.”
“Not all immigrants are in your situation. A very small handful of immigrants are posting here because they are having difficultly finding a job and immediately blame it on racism. The other 99% of happy immigrants worked incredibly hard in school and then worked their way up to where they are today. They did it by accepting jobs they didn’t always like at first and then showing the employers they were competent and at the same time gaining experience. Eventually this led to better and better positions but the process takes many years. Even Canadians had to go through this process. Canadians have been here longer and started at the very bottom while in high school and they slowly gained more experience as they attended university and later got their first full time job. If you have only a degree and no experience, then you will be competing with a lot of people that have a lot of experience and probably don’t stand a chance to get a professional job right away. Everyone had to start by taking jobs they thought they were over-qualified for at first. The first step to being successful in Canada is to expect to have to work hard. Don’t expect to be given the best jobs in Canada just because you are an immigrant… employers get 100′s of resumes from people far more qualified. Also, relevant experience is far more important that 2 master degree and everyone here is educated. Before considering a masters degree (or even a bachelors) think about what jobs are available. Currently there are very few jobs available that require degrees… the jobs that are in enormous demand and paying well are the “trades” jobs such as welding, trucking, construction, retail jobs in Saskatchewan and Alberta. You DON’T need a degree for those jobs, instead go to a college for trades. Don’t waste you money on a degree, otherwise you WILL regret it.”
“Clearly it is Canada’s immigration system that is broken. The system is broken since it is allowing immigrants to come here without a job in the first place. In the USA you must have accepted a job offer before being able to immigrate. It’s important to fix this serious problem in the broken Canadian immigration system.
Also, employers are not accountable and can just as easily let go of immigrants. Since Canada is quick to give permanent residency. Unlike the USA, most immigrants are temporary and must return home. They must acknowledge the temporary nature of the assignment to the immigration officer and cannot try to represent themselves as “permanent” residents. The differences between Canada and the US seem small but are very large. For Canada, the immigrants assume they are here permanently and have a right to a job, while in the USA the jobs are a privileged and if lost the immigrant knows they will need to return home and work hard to find a new job. The Canadian system creates the assumption that you have a right to a job whereas in the USA the system does not and also absolves the state from having to care for jobless immigrants since they cannot stay in the USA without a job and must return home.
Canada also makes the situation worse by allowing immigrants to have dual citizenship which is ironic considering that Canada is not friendly with many of the countries that immigrants come from. Citizenship is suppose to show loyalty, but you can’t determine loyalty with certainty if an immigrant has 2 loyalties! AHAH! For example, if Canada imposes sanctions against Russian and goes to war with Russian, how do you know if a Russian-Canadian citizen in Canada is loyal to Russia OR Canaduh if they have both Russian and Canadian citizenship?? How stupid can our lawmakers and immigration system be?”
“My advise with ivy league education from top 3 globally ranked institute in USA along with work experience of 10 yrs in USA is, don’t come to Canada. This place is good if you want to clean streets, drive trucks and cabs. It may be good for construction workers or manual labor. There are no high end jobs and people are very rude and racist. If you go to Pakistan they are racist in a particular way that they don’t want other religions like Hinduism, Christianity, Buddhism to survive, they will force you to convert or leave the place.
Now if you are coming from such country like Pakistan, Bangladesh or other African countries where it is question of survival, Canada is good option. Do manual labor earn little bit, stay in shared room, cook at home and don’t spend. You won’t be beaten physically here and crime is less. On other hand if you are highly qualified even from top universities like Harvard, MIT, Stanford etc in professional fields and are making reasonable income in countries like USA, India etc never come to Canada. You will just loose everything and some people talk about women liberty in Canada, well this doesn’t apply to Indian women since they are living life like princess in India especially in middle and upper middle class societies. Condition of Canadian women is not good, whole life moving from one relation to another, doing low pay jobs and fighting for justice in courts with feminism spirit seems there only motto and destiny, to some extent just like American women. Indian Hindu women are far better protected and have stable and free lives, they don’t deal with subjugation as practiced in middle east or Pakistan on one end but then they don’t need to deal with life of Canadian or American women as well which has its own pros and cons and illusionary freedom and feminism.
Moral of story, highly educated and middle class people don’t ever come to Canada, you want to see beauty of nature, well come for a month on tourist visa, enjoy, spend and go back. You want to do low end jobs like cleaning, driving, working on small stores or construction and are doing very bad in your own country, then come to Canada, learn little bit English, you can make your ends meet and chances are nobody will rape you or physically assault or beat you. Canada is nowhere near USA in terms of innovation and inventions, it is small, closed and conservative economy with almost nothing. People who will give me lessons on integration etc, well my English is good and I was doing a high paying job in USA and later on got another high paying job in Canada as well but then I will return to USA once few things are sorted out. Canada is place for manual labor and no intellectual should come here.
Go to number 1 country of the world which is America if you are really qualified. What colleges, Canadian work experience people harp on in Canada, no Canadian institute except Rotterdam school of business is in even top 100. This is just a scam, government wants more and more money and nobody will tell you truth in order to keep false image. Remember Canadians are multicultural to an extent where they love flags of different countries and food, there is nothing more than this. Canadians are highly cunning and shrewd but then people are cunning and shrewd in Middle east, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Mexico etc, after all there is competition and at-least in Canada nobody forces you to convert to there religion, at-least not openly and nobody is wasting his or her entire life for after life benefits.”
“im canadian born and i wish lcould leave this country, but where would i go i dont have dual citizenship…im tiredn of seeing the corruption and greed that exists in our public sector and how the rest of the country lives so poorly or anxious about increase in debt etc.”
“Canada is not a place for skilled labor and intellectuals. The country is suited for manual labor like construction jobs, truck driver and cab jobs etc. Don’t focus on Canada if you want to do a high end white collar job, too much intellectual racism and there is no hope of getting entry. US is number 1 country in world for a reason and Canadian economy is not even in top ten. My advise please don’t count on Canada if your intention is to build an innovative business or do high end white collar job, yes if you want to do manual labor and are not doing well in your country. Canada will fit in with your needs.”
“Canada is no longer affordable. Who can pay 700.000 for a house? Not even the skilled worker can afford that. Bye Canada, Hello USA.”
“My experience in Canada varies from positive to negative, but I give it an overall 6/10.”
“I moved from the UK with my wife, who is a Canadian born. After a brief trip 3 yrs ago, we thought of trying an adventure. Luckily I was able to find a job within 1 month in my field of Robotics Engineering. It wasn’t as rewarding as my post in England, but to build an empire you have to start from the bottom. My wife also found something with a publishing firm.
Things seemed Rosey at the beginning then took a sharp downhill after 1 year when my wife lost her job and the best she can get is a p/t clerk @ $13/hr. Me, myself, wasn’t able to move the ladder and did see lesser qualified workers filling managerial positions, though they only have college degrees – Not 2 Engineering degrees like myself. When I protested, I was told that they had an advantage of being familiar with the Canadian work space. I used to work as an Engineering Project Leader in a Government department in Surrey, England. I don’t believe British work ethics can be different than Canadian. Speaking of which, we used better technology and methodologies than what Canadians do.
At work I was sometimes refered to as “The new Pakistani Engineer”. I am a 2nd generation IndoBrit and never heard such a comment, even throughout my life back in the UK. I have a slight believe it might not be racist, since Canadians have the conception that all immigrants are all refugees coming from 3rd world countries and are less educated – or having degrees from Mumbo Jumbo Universities, like some douche bag on this forum mentioned.
Anyways after 3 years of working in the same post and after almost 8 unsuccessful interviews, plus my wife being technically unemployed, I was demoted to part time status. Everywhere else looked at me as an over qualified individual. My family and I had a serious talk and decided to move back Home.
Canada is a great country with breath taking landscapes, but with no serious opportunities for the middle class economical category immigrant. Unless your not a political refugee or moving here from Somalia or any other war torn zone, then you will not appreciate what you have. But if you are a respected professional working in Dubai, China, India or even Europe, then Canada will add alot of grief and misery to your life. Back home, driving a Taxi is a career, which takes alot of dedication – but in Canada it is the #1 job for foreign trained Engineers. Job security in Canada hangs on a ledge – there is no long term forseeable guarantees that you can maintain your lifestyle, while keeping a great job, especially in today’s Canadian economy with the Conservative government policies, forcing companies to downsize and lay off good Canadian workers and hire more Temporary Foreign Workers (illegal immigrants) than hiring new immigrants or even hiring Canadian born.”
“The Canadian employers must be idiots. Some cities and provinces are more idiotic than others (ex. Victoria, British Columbia). Why do people make jokes about BC meaning “Bring Cash”? The employers have a tendency to look at your education and work experience in a superficial, do not care kind of attitude. They will tell you that you are under qualified, over qualified, or both at the same time depending on the time of day, day of the week, etc. It is like dealing with crazy people.
The Canadian employers like to advertise jobs, tell everyone they are not good enough to work for them for their below average cheap wages, and then just continue advertising in fake job competitions. They expect university, college graduates to work for high school jobs and salaries. They would prefer free slave workers if they could get away with it, but the living costs in Canada are very high compared to the pitiful wages. Many post secondary graduates are forced to work high school jobs because there is nothing else and the high school students are screwed because their jobs are taken by college, university people. They will never be able to pay off their university, college student loans debts and an education that does nothing for them except make them poor.”
“If any of you really want to understand the insanity of the Canadian economy, job markets, corporate politics, social politics, government politics, or other things about the culture, go read the comments on discussion forums such as (www.topix.com [On Victoria, Is Victoria a nice place to live?], http://www.ratemyemployer.ca, Yahoo Answers, http://www.yelp.com, http://www.thedirty.com, etc. This cultural trait is not restricted to just some Canadian cities or provinces, but some regions are worse than others, while others maybe less severe. The entire Canadian system is broken and seizing up. Someday it will just break down completely and just collapse. The system is in its current sorry condition due to years, decades of incompetent, short sighted, greedy, self destructive policies. Ignorant temporary foreign workers, students, immigrants, and even Canadian citizens are either willfully blind or accidentally blind to this development.”
“That Bibeau guy who terrorist attacked Canada’s parliament last week tried to get a Libyan passport to leave Canada because his father was from Libya. The Libyan embassy turned him down and his Canadian passport was seized. I guess he could not go to Syria and join up with some Islamic extremist group? He decided to go on a shooting rampage at the national war memorial and parliament before security forces shot him dead. That is an extreme case of some Canadian citizen really wanting to leave Canada for somewhere else.”
“Canada isnt for everyone. If you are looking for a progressive career or to start an innovative business, then think elsewhere – You will get dissapointed from how your life will end up doing minimal jobs and you will drain out all your life savings.
But if you are looking towards a life of safety, comfort and to raise your children in peace, then Canada is the right place for you.”
“We came to Canada in 2010 and just got my and my 2 sons Canadian citizenship two months ago. We have lived in SIngapore for ten yrs prior to coming to Canada. Before we came here my sister who is Canadian and another friend were already discouraging us to come to Canada because of the lack of jobs. We really prepared ourselves before coming and researched about possible options and jobs and how much we will be spending if we dont get jobs. My husband was lucky enough to be offered a job which allowed him to stay in Canada but travelling overseas as an ENgineer while I stayed home looking after my 2 boys. I tried applying for a job but didnt expect much. We never had so much expectations coming here. We just wanted to come here because of our two sons . Our objective was to have them get Canadian education and to have a good future. I dont know if they will be given a good job after university.
My two sons who studied all their lives in Singapore easily adjusted to life here but found that their classmates are far behind in terms of Math and Science education. I guess thats the reason why they consistently get good grades without much effort. My eldest son is now in University in the best university in Canada. I hope when he graduates he can find a good permanent job and not just temporary jobs . The experiences that everyone has shared in this forum is true…the hardships of finding a job in particular but I guess before coming to Canada we must research well on what we are going into so we wont get frustrated. If only the Ministers will hear all these complaints I hope they can come out with a better job and employment program for immigrants and not just invite more immigrants to come in without having any job prospects for them. When i say job prospects it means jobs that are appropriate for their education and experience. Good luck to everyone!”
“I completely agree with your sentiments. I was a finance executive back home. I took a post-MBA program from Canada’s best business school. After graduation job hunting became my full-time job. I could not get a job in finance because I don’t have the Canadian designation. Now, I am working towards my CPA designation. The program is a repetition of what I already know (IFRS, really? I have been using it for more than 5 years, Canada just implemented it in 2011; Assurance, really? I have been an auditor at EY). The CPA materials are crappy and exams are ridiculously easy. One of the exams is a downright intellectual insult. Here is the worst, I expect to complete the CPA program in the first quarter of 2015 but I will not be eligible to obtain the designation just yet because I do not have the Canadian experience. Seriously, I have to wait until I get a job when I can’t get a job because I don’t have the designation. Both ends are covered and I am stuck in between. Many of us are in the same boat but the CPA organization doesn’t care. They just care about our tuition fee.”
“All the regions of Canada will give you double talk and the run around for no good reason except to waste everyone’s time. Some areas like Victoria, British Columbia are even worse (www.topix.com, http://www.ratemyemployer.ca). They have no serious intentions of hiring Canadians, immigrants, or temporary foreign workers, unless you are cheap slave enough. The Canadian systems is designed to only extract various money out of you while you wait and go back for endless retraining. You want a miracle? How about winning millions in a lottery and then you will never have the kiss the more stupid person above you, forced to call boss?
The following is a recent commentary on a top, well known, advertising web site about Victoria, British Columbia, Canada, but it can easily be representative of many other cities in Canada. They bad job market symptoms are the same, you just substitute Victoria for your city.
“employers of victoria compensation: what you pay for. lazy unreliable with an attitude. employers of Victoria! stop asking for for certified, fit, reliable, professional, people with strong work ethics and offering bottom feeder wages! and we all know what to be discussed or based on experience means when it comes to what you offer as a wage. it means 10.50 for dishwashers 11 for prepcooks/linecooks and MAYBE 12 for an experienced line cook. which doesn’t translate into much when you can only offer part time work! or even fulltime for that matter. no hard working certified professional is gunna work theyre ass off for you day in and day out just for the AWSOME opportunity to only afford to pay theyre rent at the travellers inn and maybe just enough to support theyre alcohol addiction which they acquired when they realised how depressing working for you is and how there is no other alternative in this hopeless screwed up depressing city of no opportunity. but atleast we got flower baskets and Christmas lights…..”
“By reading the article, it looks like a majority of those who leave Canada are men. As a Canadian woman, men in Canada rarely respect us, and they objectify us. In the workplace, if I show a bit of cleavage, the men in the office leer at me. The public schools in Canada need to teach more feminist subjects to these young men because it is harassment when those teenage boys leer at my cleavage on the street.
A woman’s dress is not an excuse for sexually harassing her, and if men are leaving Canada because they can’t respect women, then good for them. The men who leave Canada will never find happiness and love abroad.”
“Above all comments, I would say I personally subscribe to the core point that has to do with the nepotism, racism and insidious discriminatory artifice that have been injected into the over rated country called “Canada”.
It is such an inglorious shame of the highest order with Canadian system in disguise, that has long been successfully beguiling the true mindset of good individual with professional backgrounds; forcing them to condescend to menial jobs lurking in the dark corner of the market.
I have had my master degree in Environmental Science, diploma in computer science, and presently doing my power engineering program in NAIT just to fit in into the so called trade world of Alberta. That is how duplicitous this country could be when it comes to a professional, or highly educated spirited mindset, they toy and gamble with many of us, not leaving out immigrant and born Canadian. My advice is, make whatever you have to out of Canadian system, and proceed elsewhere.”
“For me, I came with my wife to montreal in nov 2012 full of hope, motivation, energy and vision for a brighter future and a batter career and life for my family. Now after 2 years I have accomplished many things:
Didn’t get a single interview after a very active search for a job (I am a professional who worked in an american company in Egypt).
Lost all my money (Spent over 30K$) trying to survive and to maintain our standard of living.
Working as an extremely under employed (Dishwasher, flipping burgers, cleaning toilets, removing trash)
Family problems have raised because of the situation we are living. (of course unemployement will put family life on the edge)
Lost all my energy, motivation, entered into commas of depression and despair
Sold all my belongings like furniture (Paid 9K$, sold 1K$)
Applied for the province social program (Peanut money I received)
Now our family are living in a one bedroom apartment 2.5 that is infested with centipeded and sometimes rats as visitors. Three sharing one room where i have to sleep on the couch.
Reurning to my home country in 3 weeks where there are better opportunites and cursing Canada and Canadian for their extremely misleading whatso called skilled worker program. Conclusion and ironically, The same reason that brought me here, is the same reason getting me outta here.”
“Don’t live in Toronto. I repeat..Don’t live in Toronto. This city will suck the youth, life and wealth out of you. It’s a trap for an ambitious person. You will hardly get rewarded for your hard work in Toronto. You have to be part of the club to earn that nice salary. Toronto is a social engineering city. Don’t expect the level of education to be in line with foreign education, which is of course more focused on education and skills rather than frivolous social engineering.
Don’t live in Toronto, and if you live in Toronto and wasted 15 years of your life like I did, plan to move out the city. Move to any city other than Toronto.”
“I despair of Canada. I am here as a permanent resident, married to a Canadian. In the five years since I arrived, despite conforming to everything required of me and paying out so very much money just to be with my soul mate, I feel used, isolated and unwanted by this country. It took little time to dawn on me that in leaving Europe, I had traveled back in time by about 40 years. The levels of racism, sexism, cronyism and numerous other outdated concepts are very ingrained and openly flaunted…….including by the government. I would never have believed this without living here. I could write for a long time about my experiences, but could never convey how I feel the life being sucked out of me by the whining, selfish, money grabbing, culturally shallow country in which I find myself. I fully understand that, compared to many places in the world, this is a better place with more opportunities for a better life. However, if you are European….DON’T COME HERE. It will destroy you. And yes, if it were at all possible, I would be out of here in a heartbeat. Guess I better win that lottery. As with all else here……..money money money.”
“If you are already middle, upper class on any other continent outside of North America and Canada, do not ever sell all that you own just to move to Canada. It is not worth the hassle, wasted money, wasted time for a better live that will mostly never show up. They don’t even want their own citizens, why would they even care about or want you from somewhere else? You will only join the current Canadians in their frustrations and watch their country and society decline and fall. You will go over the edge along with them when the fall happens. Do move to Canada if your current country is in even worse condition as that would be an improvement. Getting Canadian scraps for your life is still better than getting nothing wherever you are. Giving up all you have for Canada is going from riches to rags.”
“Canada was still on the way upward 40 years ago when I came to Canada. Now, it seems to be gradually disintegrating as a society at all levels. I agree with the others that Canada is destined to decline and fall like the Roman Empire and its oblivious citizens. Canada’s citizens are just as oblivious today. The people will still be here, but the political entity and reality will be new and different. Owning income property gives one freedom of choice and some security. It will not be so good for those who are not wealthier or have no resources. Canada is good if you come already rich, not so good if you are not rich.”
“I am a 51 year old Canadian, 4th generation. I certainly know that racism exists here in Canada and well everywhere around the world. Always has and probably always will.I can easily see why new immigrants would feel that it is racism that is holding them back but I am experiencing the very same employment issues as they are. And yes I get furious that I am a son of Canada and cannot find work.”
“I think the main motive in the posts above is Canadian immigrant’s employment issue. Clearly, CIC immigration application screening and approval systems, especially those for issuing work permit and PR have been under-performing. There is disconnection between CIC and Canadian Labor Market Information Service agency. The potential immigrants are unaware about which credentials must be possessed to speed job search in new countgry. This leads to tragedies of immigrating individuals, their families and mostly complicates ever growing social problems in Canada (e.g. medical care, social benefits, etc.) I believe, CIC is a huge blocking and unsuccessful bureaucratic structure taking “million hours” of review for the hundreds of thousands PR applications submitted for its unreasonable review. CIC brings futility to an immigration policy proclaimed by Canadian Government. CIC must be sued by the immigrants, expelled from the public system of Canada and 100% restructured. Dear PM – Mr. Stephen Harper please take a serious note of immigrant complaints made on this web page.”
“I can co relate with everything said here. I ve been here for 6 months now and have been going at break neck pace. I did nt know it would be this tough before coming here. Its a great society but its not making me happy what I came here for. I have a great family and I am not just sure if the life here is worth it at the cost of not having another kid under current stressful circumstances or keeping my only daughter away from extended family. Money is tight so I cant visit back often. I am at such cross roads in my life. I have an offer from the employer I resigned from back in my native country and it would not stand valid for too long.”
“One thing is for sure its not worth it to come here if we are 35+. At that age its extremely cruel to start from scratch. That’s the age when we have established some sort of foundations and a platform to build a constant life. Migration is a huge decision which does not sink in really till we go through it.”
“@ OMG, what is so mind boggling? The governments, corporations, and other organizations like schools with a vested interest to import unlimited foreign workers, students, immigrants are not going to tell you any truths beyond the official propaganda. These people here and Topix, Ratemyemployer, Yahoo Answers, anywhere else are telling you the hidden truth of the real Canadian world. Much education or almost no education does not matter anymore. The Canadian employers and schools are playing the fake job hiring scam on the government to get government immigrant, student job program funding, while fleecing the student out of tuition and other fees. They job advertise, ignore, re-advertise the same jobs over and over, leave them vacant on purpose, to create the illusion that there is a labour shortage. They are trying to manipulate and get around the natural economic laws of worker supply and demand, price wage fixing. Experienced or not, you will not find suitable work in Canada because it’s all a sham.
Well..I’m not immigrant or PR yet..just an international student…im here already 4th yr..spending enormous amount of money for nothing..I’m coming from Europe,where college education is not considered as post-secondary education.. i live in toronto,where i find this city full of trash..literally. Canada…such a rich country has horrible public services..transportation and other things I’m not even mentioning just suck.. the corrupt culture is already here..roads are broken, and blaming weather. .people never complain. .never..of course if u r coming from poor country and compare it to there..this is heaven..I’m totally outraged by behavior of people working in public services…not mentioning education system which only wants you to pay crazy money for stupid education..buying expensive books every semster because they produce all tje time something new.. this is developed country but doesn’t seem to me..every time i get back from europe i feel like i came back in time..canada lives from its old accrued heritage..but it’s not working in 21st century..I’m sad to see people to be happy with raising tuition fees, broken and dirty streets and roads.. sure..this is not europe..but also not somalia (i dont mean to insult somalia) Not sure this is good place for people from western europe.. bottom line…big disappointment”
“There is one thing no body knows, it is the “boss abuse” by white canadians. I am an Indian started a business and have to face so much from my employee, I am afraid to give any instruction or ask her any question, because she will pounce on me as if I have tortured her or something…..I came here 7 years ago, the only hope for me was to do business…
I also have an outsouricing business in India, so that keeps my one leg in India..
I always said there is no racism in Canada..but after 7 years I am saying this…especially low and low middle class white people have too much hatred for immigrants..”
“To all Canadians who lament here that they too cannot get any jobs…please not here….there is always somebody who will not get a job in some part of the world…you Canadians are born here and have no choice…but we came from a country by choice…yes the country where we came from have issues, but still….apna ghar apna ghar…(your home is your home)….I am only thinking about my children now..for them I will bear any torture….(that is Indians, give life to kids)..”
“There are many things common people dont know, many provinces in 2012 +/- have regulated massage indutry, now you should have a minimum 2200 Hrs course, because of that 50% therapists disqualified thier jobs (thai, chinese mnostly)…and some grandfathered canadians…. Now this 2200 Course costs $20,000 my wife has taken student loan, license charges etc…bull shit…
No body knows “Canada is tightly regulated” if even you want to “stich chappals”…That is not worse, inter provincial regulation….as if they are foreign countries..if your an Engineer you should have stamp for each province..if you are massage therapist you need provincial clearance…
Before coming abroad I thought white people are fair, but now I see they have thier skeletons in the closet…a lot….read what they did to Japanese immigrants (some where even citizens ) during world war. I think Government apologised now. Read about first nations…”
“Siva is all correct. Canada is in decline like the Roman Empire and other ancient empires because it can no longer operate a fair and functional government or society anymore. The USA, Canada, France, UK, Australia, Spain, Portugal, Greece, and all the other western countries are in their twilight of empire. The fall is coming, to be followed by the next rise after that. The Dark Age between the fall and rebirth is the hard part to endure. The following comment to a post on Craigslist can be applied to most place in Canada, some more than others.”
“I agree with you completely. The younger people in this city are ALWAYS hurting for work and employers take advantage of that. They lie to you about wages, treat you like crap but they know how much you need that job and most of the time people stay and deal with it because there’s no other work around.
I came here back in the summer with high hopes. Beautiful city, great weather but I’m now staring to prepare to move back to calgary which I said I’d never do because I hate that city but I don’t have anymore options. I don’t want to get stuck or taken advantage of by cheap ass employers. Very unfortunate since I was going to go to UVic in the fall. Oh well, you do what you gotta do I guess. At least I’m not the only one that feels this way”
“Now I am going to give you a very real picture of what canada is about and what i have gone through in canada in last 7 years.
I am a mechanical engineer by education but by canadian experience I am a truck driver, server, dishwasher, cook, retail sales….i can quote a few more. This is what I have done in last 7 years. I never got a satisfactory job in my own field coz the canadian system didnt recognize my non canadian credentials. Whether somebody tries to negate me by saying a million things like myabe my efforts were not right, maybe i had a hard luck, maybe the people i met were wrong….blah blah….it is immaterial now. coz as time elapsed i became more and more vulnerable to the faulty system here. with each passing year I was becoming more and more away from being a suitable candidate.
Here the people from your home country who have arrived much before you and have settled down in life are one big ass. They exploit you the max…at jobs..emotionally…in every possible way they will try to screw you and make your life miserable. If you work with them then thats the end of life for you because you are nothing more than a bonded labour for them.
So why the hell did i stay here for such a long time. Because I had closed my book back home and had moved to canada with whatever I had in search of a better future. I never got one. My parents never joined me here as their friends/relatives/socialcircle/etc warned them that canada is just a witch with loads of makeup looking good and presentable which inturn they told me but i never listened.
When i talked last with them sometime ago they said the same thing which they had told me 7 years ago. It is then that i decided to move back. Its better to die with head held high in relatives than live the life of a miser here.”
“7 years ………most important time……..lots of money……..= complete waste. Regret coming to canada. LAstly my advice for everybody aspiring to be in canada –
1–Your parents life will be screwed up coz by the time they immigrate to be with you they would have passed a good 5 to 7 years alone in your home country without you.
2– If you are a professional consider yourself at the dead end of life and getting a job that befits your experience or education is non existent
3– Racism does exist here but in a very refined way that you cant see it openly but will feel being subjected to it at every step of life.
4– you will loose all the hard earned money of yourself or your parents and family and the end result will always be 0.”
“I was BORN in Saskatchewan, am Aboriginal (First Nations, “Red” Indian, American Indian, whatever you have to call it to distinguish it from “black” “African,” people!!) left soon after I was born to be raised in San Francisco Bay Area. I have all my college degrees from US universities including Yale and UC Hastings College of Law. When I went back to Canada I got treated like a “foreigner from overseas” and called a liar and an impostor even when they were looking right AT my Saskatchewan birth certificate. (And in French, right in front of me but on the phone to their supervisor). I’m surprised immigrants DON’T leave. WE who were BORN THERE leave in droves. I mean, if I try to use my degrees to find a job in another country like, say, the Philippines or Malaysia, then I UNDERSTAND being treated like a foreigner because then I actually WILL BE one. But in the country where I was BORN?! Now you understand why Canadian aboriginals leave and go live in the USA. We have that right under the Jay Treaty and that’s why people assume that Canada doesn’t HAVE any Aboriginals because most of us live down in the USA because our own side of the Treaty Line is so bat-a** racist.”
“@Raj, my fellow Ivy Leaguer: you’ve missed one point of coming to Canada as a female with higher level university degrees. The rate of rape in Canada of “visible minority” women (read “brown skinned”) is substantially higher per capita than the United States’. In fact it’s so far into the stratosphere that the UN Commission on Human Rights has been called in to investigate Canada (in the Western provinces). Other than that, you’re right. However, the US is no place for a brown-skinned Ivy League (or similar) graduate to find a good job. Here too it’s wash dishes, work in a call center, stock retail shelves, etc. I mean, THEORETICALLY only, down here there is more “merit-based” work to be had – but the competition is fierce in what few states still have any at all. I stay in the US because it’s slightly better than Canada….but only slightly.”
“I’d like to express the same sentiments that many have already made regarding the Canadian immigration experience.
I think the biggest thing to take away is that it’s been incredibly disappointing. Disappointing not in the sense that Canada is a shit hole (far from it), but it is a country with great potential that actively seeks to sabotage its true ability. Truly, this is a place where innovation, the entrepreneurial spirit and competition end up dying.
As many of you have pointed out, coming to Canada as a skilled worker will mostly likely set you back. I truly think there is a HUGE problem in the way the Canadian mentality works as a whole. It is a nation with a big country’s resources, but a small country’s mindset. I can only sigh when Canadians jump in joy at something that we’re marginally better than the States at. It’s never good when you’re more obsessed with what’s going on with your neighbour. Yes we’re less bad at some things compared to the States, but we could be focusing our attention on better things such as innovation and actually pushing the country to progress, and not just coast along with our bountiful resources.
Many here I’m sure have posted their disappointment because they had qualifications and experience in a certain work field (whether IT, law, medicine, CPA or otherwise), but ended up being shafted when they came to Canada despite being at or higher than the standard required. Although it is a multicultural and socially liberal place, I always get the feeling that Canada exists in its own bubble and is constantly suspicious/look down on what goes on outside its borders. What ends up happening is that there is an over-inflated sense of self vs. the true value presented.
For the people who say “good immigrants, go and never come back”, let’s be clear: the large majority of immigrants are not refugees and actually bring money and expertise. Immigration is a source of income for provinces like BC. But when immigrants leave after 5 or so years, that is a serious failure of the immigration policy. Immigration ends up becoming a musical chair dance: yes you make quick cash through the immediate spending on houses, cars etc. but that is chosen over long-term job creation and progress. Just look at cities like Vancouver where housing prices and spending have spiked despite no similar increases in employment opportunities and annual income.
Extra tidbits I like to share:
-My parents came from Singapore and had got the entire family residency cards shortly after my high school graduation. I graduated from McGill university with a degree in finance and moved to Vancouver. I struggled to find work for almost a year and had to supplement it with a lot of part-time and menial jobs. Ended up working at an HSBC branch for something I wasn’t interested in and where job movement and mobility was extremely limited (my boss had been in his position for over 5 years). Most depressing thing was seeing a British-Pakistani man in his mid 30′s work as a teller despite his qualifications and years working in the banking and finance sector in the City. After I got my citizenship, I did my masters in England and I’m now currently working at an investment bank over here.
-There were widely publicised news reports of Canada lacking physicians a few years back. They could have easily supplemented the numbers with foreign educated doctors. Instead, many failed to secure residency despite years of experience back in their home country. I personally knew of a physician who had 10+ years experience working in a famous clinic in Paris that couldn’t land a residency in Montreal, despite getting accreditation and obtaining her Canadian qualifications!
-I knew of a Swiss/Indian family who were basically an immigrant policy planner’s wet dream. They entered as investment immigrants. The mother was an Oxbridge PHD professor, the father was a self-made millionaire with various business ventures around the world and each of the 3 children were incredibly bright and extremely successful in their fields. The father had no real interest in really pouring his money in Canada because of various financial barriers, taxes etc. so him leaving shortly was understandable. But if anything, his 3 children should be the very example of how Canadian Immigration has failed terribly.
The eldest was a mining engineer who couldn’t find a suitable job in BC despite her years in the field, qualifications and excellent education (Stanford PHD). She used her Canadian passport and previous education to eventually land a H-1 B into the States. The second was a banker and encountered similar experiences as mine. Prior to moving to Canada he had a degree from Columbia and had landed some big time internships at major investment banks in NY. When applying for jobs at Canadian banks, they basically ignored it and asked if he had Canadian experience. He ended up working in Switzerland, got an MBA and landed a lucrative investment banking job in NY…again using his Canadian passport to obtain a H-1 B. The 3rd, who spent most of his childhood in Canada, understandably had the most attachment to the country. He had built up a successful online business venture while attending Cal Tech that he sold to Oracle. After years working in the States (he had a green card), he decided to move to Canada and start his ventures there. It failed miserably but now he’s a millionaire in Silicon Valley. He’s only 30. I can’t for a second think that he was stupid or that he lacked motivation, or that his networking sucked. Luck may be a factor, but I think it speaks more to the failures of the Canadian mentality which holds back talent and skill.
This might sound like an immigrant’s rant, but it could be easily applied to any natural born sons and daughters of Canada. Why is it the best and our brightest always end up leaving and settling for the States? I believe that the short sightedness, the inflated sense of Canada’s ability and importance in the world has unfortunately produced a dangerous situation for both immigrants and born Canadians alike.”
“Too many people blame others rather than look at their own behaviors/actions or personalities.etc. It doesn’t matter what your ethnicity is: do people like you?”
Ad hominem attacks just prove that anglo Canada is a stuck up place which robs immigrants of their life savings. Sure Dr. Gupta was an honorable doctor in India but when he arrived in Toronto he ends up driving taxis for a living.
Social class is a huge divide in Canada. Either you work at Bay St or you don’t.”
“I’m a Chinese whose born and raised here. I feel like this country is at it’s downfall, taxes are ridiculously high, if I go to Hong Kong, where I am a permanent resident, I only get taxed a maximum of 17%, that is 2% above the minimum federal tax rate. This country has a lot more social and political problems than other counties in Asia. They give special rights to people who commit crimes and drug addicts. The government loves sending troops overseas. After I get my bachelor of technology in accounting I believe I would move to Hong Kong. Easier to find a job, lower tax, less crime, less social problems. Easier to live in general. I feel really disappointed in Canada and it’s current way of dealing things, including transit and telecommunication, which is a joke.”
“To the lady who is european above : I so do agree with you. We come from Europe as well. It is like going back 40 years ago upon coming here. But at the same time we are treated as if we are morons.
It is shocking. We were expats in various parts of the wold before; were treated to canada as the land of “milk and honey” and other nonsense.You arrive here and you are being talked down as if you are 2 year old kids.It is a real shock to your self esteem.Highly qualified europeans : do NOT come here. This country lies to get you coming, takes your money, wants you to buy a house etc. And ends up not recognising your diplomas (why did you even give us visas then ?).If you already have a family please reconsider. You will not be able to go back to your home country.
We are white alright (French and Irish) from UK. It is the first time we got an inkling frankly of what it might be like to have a different skin colour arriving in a “white” country.”
“I can understand most of the posted sentiments. I came to Canada in 2011 with my husband and 2 children. Canada was and is still good to us. I understand it is frustrating for many of us who believe we are educationally qualified from their home country yet they fail to establish satisfying careers here. This is not exclusive to immigrants. It is the current situation of Canada, which affects all its residents. Canada is a very generous nation. Let us just remember why we came here in the first place. I certainly do not believe that Canada promised us high paying jobs. We just hoped too much. We came here because our home country may not be able to provide what we came to Canada for. Let’s stick with that and move on.”
“@ sara evans, The immigration to your country is based on certain crieteria, which includes that of shortage in skilled manpower,y age , educational and english language proficiencies. It is a lengthy process and the govt of canada invites immigrants based on their understanding that there is shortage of workers in perticular fields(atleast for FSW applicants),and they pay all the govt liable fees which turn to your income one day. it is not one sara evans running the whole show. immigrants are not refugees, they are being invited by the canadian govrntment ,it is just like at your home you call someone for dinner and when they come you say sorry no dinner served today. Such is the attitude.people are frustrated because the ground reality is not put forwarded by the authorities, they inflate and make it in such a way that your country is an utopia.remember whatever you take back home saying its your income ,a part of it was hard earned money of immigrants like them.just think there is an agency called WES @$322 who does the canadian equivalency of the international aspiring immigrants, and based on that these people immigrated to your wonderland without knowing that it is yet another money making channel for your country. these immigrants after coming to your country is not recognized for educational qualification by any of the so called hardworking employers.yet another scam..should know the ground reality ..”
“Yes, Canada’s job market is very tough. But it depends on the profession. Medical licensed professions (except doctors) are good in Canada. IT market also depends on what technology one knows. It depends on the demand. US has 10 times the population and it has more job opportunities for all areas. But I do agree that Canada is over regulated when compared to the US. Less job opportunities with over regulation are a family killer or new immigrant killer. They say Canadian standards are higher than American. But the high standards do not translate into Jobs or GDP growth. Real estate prices are also overpriced when compared to other developed countries of similar size. People make the mistake of thinking that since Canada is near to the US, it would be like US. Sorry.”
“Canadian born and foreign born or educated workers are both being screwed by the Canadian society system. The mouth says one thing and the hands doing something else. The policies and the realities are not in unison. It is practically false advertising to immigrants, temporary workers, and even citizens. The Canadian employers and governments seem to be playing with all our lives as if it is a computer game like The Sims, Sim City, Sim Earth, Sim Whatever. I think they are all just doing fake job hiring, advertising games to waste everyone’s time and to make it appear they are doing something constructive. It is all very corrupt. http://www.macleans.ca/economy/business/land-of-misfortune/”
“Canada has a dark side and ignorant citizens, residents, immigrants, or temporary foreign workers will be setting themselves up to be someone’s slave if they do not educate themselves. Predators of all kinds look for weak and clueless people as victims and prey because they are easier to exploit. There was a recent news story in the media about an Asian man who literally worked himself to death 70 hours per week at a Vancouver, British Columbia for minimum wage. There was no legally mandated over time pay or other worker rights. The BC Labour Standards Branch of the provincial government fined the chicken meat processor company for labour law violations, after the worker died.
These are the kind of unscrupulous clowns you will end up working for if you leave your home countries to emigrate to Canada. These rich fools exist in every province and city. They are so greedy, they will try to save $1 to get back $25 in troubles if they are exposed. Do you feel these kinds of people deserve your loyalty and dedication? You could end up like that dead Asian man at the chicken factory is you are not careful.”
“I would be surprised to see if for a well-educated and talented immigrant who doesn’t leave Canada within five years of arrival. I left Canada after four and a half years for a job offer in Seattle.
Before I left for Seattle, I was teaching in the engineering department at a college in Alberta. The engineering department head was an interior designer. There were three instructors working underneath him and I am one of them. One of the instructor was also an interior designer, the other had a high school diploma and I was the only one with formal engineering education, advanced engineering degree and engineering license. By default, I was the only one who was teaching all the engineering subjects.
You might wonder what interior design or high school diploma have anything to do with engineering education in a college. I can tell you the answer is nothing
For those of you who might be wondering what Canadian experience really means, I can also tell you it is just a convenient way for an employer to not hire qualified immigrant workers. There isn’t anything special to it”
“Yip, every thing is candy coated here in Canada Propaganda and spin doctors are in abundance. The only reason I can see why they accept the sheer number of immigrants to the country is to have them slave for the abundant monopolies setup here since the early 1900. The success stories are too few and far in between and tarted up like a retired hookers. Having lived and worked on 3 continents and numerous countries, this place is still 40 years behind…Yes they have a handful of cutting edge companies, but that does not make the rest of the country cutting edge. I concur with the discrimination mentioned in previous posts, any one who is not Canadian born having lived their bland cardboard box life of home & cottage weekends is seen as THREAT! Correct they can not fathom the idea of someone coming from another country with open mind and experiences upstaging them and possibly taking their job away.”
“After moving to Canada in 2004 (manitoba)from Germany, my parents and parents on law decided to move back to Germany for health reasons and age. My husband , kids and I went with them, as we wanted to stay with the family, And thought we could find work in Germany. After two years now there are still no jobs And we reply on welfare. We had a house and a good life in Canada When I think back. most of the people I know that came from Germanyarr Happy in Canada, having jobs , houses…I can’t imagine having all this here in Germany.
Just wanting to say that every country nowadays has those job market Problems. And in Germany the majority of people are very rude no matter Where you are from. Everyone here asked us why the he’ll we came Back to Germany when everyone else is trying to leave. You pay a lot of Taxes here, the medical system is worse than ten years ago… People go to university and still don’t get jobs. ( at least you don’t have to pay for university here and if only minimal amounts) But we are still thinking about leaving Germany for Canada again. As we lost everything here, including nerves and mental stability. and had lot more back in canada. Don’t know if it’s right to leave as both places are not perfect And everyone wants to raid their kids save and in a place with future, but those posts Don’t encourage me.
Plus the school system in Europe and social system is not teaching kids Ethnically… A lot of trans gender, gays have more rights than straight people, perversity and nudity everywhere, try raising kids normally here. I don’t see a bright future for Europe either, in any way…. Hard decision for us to make, indeed.”
“The head of Bank of Canada announced Canada has 0% economic growth for 2015 in a news conference. The entire situation is not stable and unpredictable. Some of the other western countries are actually recovering from the 2008-09 world economy recession. Graduates can’t find sufficient jobs, citizens, immigrants, foreign workers running up the credit card debts to insane levels to survive, Canadian employers not investing and hording money, dead job growth, and others are all crashing the economic machine. They neglected the maintenance and now it is going to stop functioning.”
“Canada is a professional DEAD END!!! If you are a professional with skills, DROP the idea of Canada. It’s a mediocre country with mediocre people. The country lacks flair, an ambitious drive, technology, innovation & opportunities. Canadians generally have little knowledge of what’s outside North America. To an intellectually challenged Canadian, most of the world is “3rd World” junk and in the same breath they’ll try to pretend they are very liberal and open minded. As long as you go along with their unfounded stupidity, you’ll be fine. But if you stand your ground and present an opposing view point, you’ll be called names and made to experience typical Anglo smugness of epic proportions.
Unless you’re a refugee escaping life threatening situations, why would you want to immigrate to Canada? It’s a frozen wasteland. When was the last time you heard of Canada on the news?”
“I am so thankful for this article and comments. This supported my view of the past 4 months living with unemployment status here and soon deciding to leave wherever my profession is recognized. Honestly, I was thinking whether my assessment is wrong for any reason but day by day I started feeling that am not, now that am concrete after reading this article. Many thanks for all of you, God bless you”
“@Marewan, do you want to be appreciated and paid well for your work experience, skills, education? Do you want to feel contentment and have a fun social life? Go work for the Chinese, Saudis, Russians, Koreans, Japanese, etc. They are not cheap, limited, amateurish like Canada, USA, and some others. USA, Canada, and some others are declining empires like the Ancient Roman Empire. The long slow decline goes before the fall. Canada is in the decline stage currently, the fall comes next.”
“People who think Canada is so good and wonderful only look on the superficial surface. All the political, government, economic, social systems are seizing up and falling apart. Canada and the other western countries are in a long term state of decline, decay, and eventual collapse. The society is unsustainable as it is birthed, grows, and eventually will die. The news that the Canadian economy is dead or dying is all over the news media as it runs out of will, ability, and fuel to continue the prosperity. The party is going to over very soon.”
“Whoops…..you forgot to mention; THE APPALLING SCHOOL SYSTEM. Immigrating to Canada means that your children with will get a third rate education at best, UNLESS, they are place in French Immersion. Unfortunately, many immigrants come into the country when their children are older and are unable to enter the immersion system. In the English “core French” system, it is not uncommon to see many (usually more than half a classroom’s pupils) 10 year olds who can’t link their letters, can barely hold a pen or pencil properly, whine when they are requested to write six sentences, can’t spell the most rudimentary words and can barely add or subtract It is incredible to see and the teachers always refer to these kids as “low,” without considering the fact that there might be something terribly wrong if more than 50% of the class are “low.” I distinctly remember being expected to write an in class essay of at least a page with decent paragraphing, spelling, grammar and storyline by the time I was 10. In addition, at that age, most children knew basic math facts like the multiplication table and we certainly were NOT allowed to whine when requested to do some written work. PARENTS – IMMIGRATE TO ANOTHER COUNTRY IF YOU WANT YOUR CHILDREN TO STAND ANY CHANCE OF AN EDUCATION AND THEY CAN’T BE PLACED IN THE IMMERSION PROGRAMME.”
“Ex resident here. Mid twenties, white and educated. Hated the fake, unempathetic, soulless lifestyle of Canada. It’s boring, dull. Did many menial jobs, and wasn’t getting anywhere. Also the lack of holiday time etc, just not much incentive to go back. Bad food (tasteless), the people are only about money money money. It just lacks anything real. I felt dumbed down.
This is not a race issue, this is a culture issue. If you have a strong cultural mentality, this country is not for you. I won’t be returning.”
“My family and I moved from Europe to Canada 7 years ago. I am a CNC Machinist with additional degrees in Mechanical and Industrial Engineering. I haven’t had any difficulties finding good paying jobs. I also have to mention that we did not come here to find better work opportunities. My family and I wanted to experience something new. It all started out pretty good. We bought a house two years after arrival. I have a job now, where I make 110,000 CAD and my wife has a very good income working as a part-time nurse. And still, after 7 years in this country, we just want to move back to Germany (and we are going to this year). We tried to ignore many things that started to drag us down, but eventually it all got to us.
My conclusion of life in Canada:
As other posters said, do not come here if you have a very good education. The work environment is horrible. I started working at a German machine building company in 1990. At that time this company was already decades ahead of what I have seen here at any employer today.
There is no work-life balance: you live to work. You actually are a slave to work. Canada’s motto: work work work
Canada’s government protects the market for Canadian companies. There is zero competition in the market. This results in companies charging you arms and legs for any service. It is so unbelievably expensive. Everything is a rip-off and you buy miserable quality. Made in Canada? Lol…
Canadians don’t care about their environment. Cars are idled in cold, mild or warm weather. Water is apparently abundant, as people water their lawns even if it rains. Exploit mother nature, everything is there for the taking.
Canadians are narrow-minded, self centered and superficial.- In Canada you will hear that everything is great all the time. If you offer constructive criticism you are just a stupid immigrant and you might be told to “go home if you don’t like it here!” No wonder this country is still in the Stone Age.
Both education and health care is abysmal. Why are Canadians creating this hype about their health care and education system? It is government propaganda on the radio, on TV, everywhere. The Canadian government will honestly tell you in your face that Canada is the greatest country in the world with the best work force in the world. I have heard this countless times. Apparently Canadians believe this. Try to tell them anything differently…have fun. BTW, I find the work force lazy, numb, and nobody takes pride in what they are doing.- Depression levels are high, so is drug and alcohol abuse. Why? Because it is one boring country. There is nothing to do here, except for visiting national parks. No culture, no night-life, just hockey. Nothing to do but working and spending money. Dull, dull, dull…
It’s good to come here for vacation, but having stayed here for 7 years makes it 6.5 years too long. Now we want to move back and try to get some sanity back into our lives. Don’t get me wrong when I say this: if you are from a developing country you might like it here (though I heard people say they want to move back, too). If you come from the US, Singapore or a European country you may be disappointed.
Some say Canada is freedom… it is not. You are welcomed into slavery. I have never felt so imprisoned in my whole life. Canada is a very sad and depressing place.
Also – Canada has one of the worst employment benefits packages – one week holiday a year compared to Europe’s one month a year. All work and no play, that’s Canada. Eat, sleep, slave, repeat.”
“@American man: Fortunately my country of origin (Germany) is so much better already. In comparison to Canada, there is nothing to improve, that’s why we are going home 😉 As my wife always puts it: We are going ‘back to the future’!”
“People need to understand Canadians will stay the way they are, high superiority complex, extremely vocal with pretentious manners, and fake economy based on sales of commodities and it may end like Greece. It is definitely not a place for qualified people, which Canadian company is in global list?, check comment of research in motion or blackberry founder, he himself says, Canadian economy is designed to fail. Ironically USA should stop recognizing Canadian credentials and in 1 week , all attitude problems of Canadian will go away. There is no good quality construction work, look at windows and ceilings in homes which are falling, very bad healthcare, no knowledge based companies, nothing and still false pride and ego, based on what?”
“I have been here for 3 years and can tell you I have wasted my money coming here in CANADA. I had to redo some courses to get my degree recognized and gave been working in an unrelated job for 14$/h. They are lying to people and it’s about time we show to the whole word that the Canadian government is doing a shameful propaganda to show us a country with jobs, money to make, degrees to obtain. Yes there are all of that, however what they don’t tell you is that you will spend a fortune paying for a degree with which you will be able to work for a job that is badly paid since they will tell you you don’t have the experience in Canada. At the end you wasted more than 50000 $ and didn’t have your pay back. People are quite hypocrite and just talk to you if in need. People in Québec province are the worst, very rude, and think they are the best since their prime city Montréal has an European flair (in their opinion which is untrue). I am European and would not waste any more money in this city and country. Believe me when I tell you we are better off in our country back in Europe. Sure there is recession for the time being but in overall the quality of life is better and people much more open minded, open to criticism to improve ourselves, better food, better hospitals our health care system.
Going to the US seems the best alternative for immigrants since they are very upfront with their immigration policy. You have to have the skills and you will get the money. Here in Canada they ask for money first and then tell you, you don’t gave the skills you have to get credentials. I say go to the US or to Europe if you miss your country but don’t stay here in Canada they are using us, it’s about time we start to invest our money where we know for sure we are not losing it! Do you hear a lot of people regretting moving to the US, compared to Canada ?! No. You will not because you know in what you are getting into when you go there.
USA is not the promised land either, there are still racism in some part of the country , the poor are not getting better and the education is expensive. However those who strive hard to success have an equal chance. If you are talented and get handle competition you are sure to enjoy the ride.
The American dream is still possible in USA but has never existed in Canada. Do not be fooled by their advertising whether you are in India, Pakistan, China, Nigeria, Africa, or Europe. This is a lie. All of my friends already go back to Europe and some are in the US right now.”
“Go to the US, you can have better wages than here and great quality of life. Canadian will tell you it’s a dangerous country but there is not a single day without a murder case in Toronto or other Canadian provinces. Luca Magnotta the guy who killed the Chinese and dismembered him with putting the video on YouTube was from here Canada in Montreal , and now we have another case of murder with cutting off limbs in Canada in the same city.”
“People are as sick here as in the US. It’s not the peaceful country they want you to think.
To all migrants worldwide, reconsider the country where you want to emigrate, Canada is not that great and pretty much am overated country which knows need migrants to save their economy which would collapse over wise, that’s why they make it seems they give you great benefits when coming here and show you the residency card or even the citizenship. But they don’t give anything in the end since all they needed was your money. Don’t be fooled! Go to the USA it is my last words.”
“@going home. I felt the same way when I moved from the UK. I and my wife realised we immigrated to a country that was 10years behind the UK.”
“When immigrants applied for permanent residency they are not aware of that their education is of no value in Canada without studying further. Most of them came to left their government jobs, when they worked in Canada as a general labour it makes them depressed and feel them guilt to come in Canada so most of them decided to go back in their backhomes.”
“It is naive to think that this discrimination is due only to some employers. In first world countries, imperialist countries, the government is representative of the highest class, just like a puppet. The immigration system in Canada is just a plicy to import highly qualified professionals to turn them into common workers for industry or agriculture. It is not by chance, it is a well established policy to build a high quelify population and avoid greater social issues, ’cause professionals are mostly civilized people that won’t get into crime, drugs and such things. It is a system of importing high educated slaves, in the modern slavery of imperialist capitalism.”
“I came from the UK 8 years ago. First 2 yrs were fun, trying to explore the place in Toronto. After that you start to see the cracks. Canadians like to say they work hard, yes you do but not efficiently. They like caos, confusion then say they work hard, yes work hard to sort mess out. They never tell you what they think, its awlays smiles – but they will stab you in the back. UK, Europe were brought up on values Christian values this does not happen here. Everyone in Toronto think they are cool. Lol I wear clothes from Europe they stare it is very rude, this is how you get laid lol, the girls are that easy and slow. There is a lot of Brit backlash now, not so cool to be Brit here anymore. I wish it was easy to be social here its not communication has gone. Im in pain writing this, just awful here. Canadians do youself a favor come out of your shell more, they are some very interesting people here.”
“I came here to canada in 2009 as a student when i was 17 years old from Dubai. I am from Indian Descent. I completed my Bachelors of Business here. Majored in marketing and new venture creations and graduated in 2013 December. i have barely any accent left, most my friends are canadians born and raised here. I am moving back to Dubai next month. I still havent found a job in my field. I have been working as a night auditor at a hotel here and applied for my PR but it still hasnt come through, gonna take another 3 years and seems like the gov is playing a great game here of scamming international students of 100 of thousands of dollars to study here in the dreams of settling down in canada and then taking over 4 years to give you a residency so they can milk you even more. The system is so messed up here. For those saying english is an issue with immigrants getting a job in Canada. I got 8.5 out of 9 on my IELTS Score for just 3 months ago. Plus even after graduating out of a Canadian University with a double major in marketing and new venture creations i am struggling to find a decent job in my field. I would love to see some comments if someone is currently in my situation.”
“I have wasted many years of my life here in Toronto and now feel trapped because I have grown children living here. There is absolutely no culture here, you feel totally disconnected from the rest of the world, it is like Narnia ‘always winter and never Christmas’, as stated in a previous posting we are about 10 years behind when it comes to fashion, furniture, appliances etc. You also feel so isolated as there is nowhere interesting to visit. I came from Europe where I had six weeks vacation and guiltless sick days and would stay home if I had a headache, cold etc. I could jump on a train and go to so many interesting places for a day, or a weekend, and experience history and culture at its very best. But here in Canada you have to work 52- weeks of the year and only get 2 weeks vacation in many jobs. And you are made to feel incredibly guilty if you try to call in sick (only a terminal illness is allowed)!
To anyone planning to move here from Europe, PLEASE think twice. It is all about work and even if you do have some down time there is nowhere to go. It makes me laugh when I hear Canadians talking about Toronto being a world-class city – as it is more like a back water. Don’t be fooled by the cottage propaganda either – the Canadian highway is jam packed during the brief, humid summer weeks with cars driving for 4-6 hours or more just to arrive at a small plot of land to look at the same scenery every weekend, get eaten by black fly and mosquitoes. The land is parceled off around the lakes North of Toronto, just like the city, so you can’t go hiking and exploring, as you are surrounded by private land so will be trespassing. I can say this, because I have been there, done it, and know first hand that it is not worth it. As for winter sports, it is too bloody cold to be outside in the winter. I know this is a very negative posting, but I feel if I had been more aware of what was involved in emigrating here, I would never have done it.”
“Toronto Ontario is the best city that Canada has, all the others cities large, medium, small are less than Toronto. If Toronto is still considered crap, can you imagine how all the other cites (Victoria, Vancouver, Ottawa, Montreal, Quebec City, Saint John’s, Fredrickton, Halifax, Calgary, Edmonton, Regina, Saskatoon, Winnipeg, Yellowknife, Iqaluit, etc) are like? The smaller places would be much worse. The web site Topix has lots of comments about Canadian cities, provinces, and country. Just pick a place name and read everything. It is not good.”
“Seems no one wants understand want to do good for the economy.politicians / higher decisions making people can’t read these topics or they do not want to . they closed their eyes thinking we do not see the lion & lion will not eat .Canada is heading towards deathbed.
Try india . india is not it uses to be. Job from IT to cab driver. Abounded skilled worker. Every thing is home made.do import from China. Corruption is big issue but now decrease side.”
“I came to Canada with part of my family (mother, brother and sister) but my father and other brother stayed back home and now after many years of trying to bring my father and other brother to join us in Canada we couldn’t find a way to bring them here because to sponsor my father we have to have a high level of income and our income is not enough also my brother is considered as an adult so we cant sponsor him to come to Canada even though he is unmarried. so now since there is no way to bring our father and brother to live together in Canada, now we are forced to leave Canada and live somewhere else where our father and brother are allowed to join us and live together.”
“A LOT of truth to these statements..came here from the UK for opportunity….what a waste of time and money… I was better off staying in the UK!!!. I also think that Canada is WAY behind the rest of the modern world and agree that there is NO culture here…Tim Hortins and hockey…and that is ALL. I cannot speak for the rest of Canada but I don’t know what the Liberal government are doing in Ontario…driving the province and taxpayers into the ground with a Tax and spend mentality. There is no middle class here anymore …it’s the have and have nots. Canada as a country could be so much more…but it doesn’t recognise skills or schooling from other countries …which is absurd, as they are generally much better than Canadian system or schooling. The education system here is a joke …when I ask my daughter what she learns in school she replys “we play all day”. We will be going back to the U.K. as it is just a rat race here….modern day slavery… No life /work balance. I had 5 weeks holiday in U.k here 10…days.”
“@ Jaffa, why would the governments and private companies recognize foreign school credentials when they hardly even recognize Canadian school credentials from citizens? It is all just a scam to squeeze money out of everyone at every stage. Go to school to get a better paying job they are too cheap to actually hire for. Then you get sent back for endless retraining, repeat. At every level, someone will profit from you instead of you. That is the Canada, USA system. You are just a money cow.”
“This is all correct. I remember when I got the immigration paper done family friends and colleagues were advising not to go to Canada as its a FOOL’s PARADISE. I wish if I would really think in that way too and would not choose to migrate here. I have professional masters degree in finance from UK and its recognized in Canada so its nothing like qualification matching problem. Secondly, I have plenty of experience on serving various head positions back home and even in UK so experience is not an issue. I have a decent background so I am good in communicating as well. But here I am searching a job since 3/4 months even at a low level but in my field but not getting any response. I have applied over 500 jobs / positions in various positions and some of them were matched with my professional skills and past experience and I was so confident that I will get at least an interview call from there but nothing comes up. Then I start making fake experience resume and started distributing that that worked and I got 2 interview calls out of 150 I have applied. Than some one told me that only reference work but here equal opportunity employment act also falls and its a law so they have to give it on merit. Then I come up to the conclusion why I am people dont get calls and done get hired on merit.
Firstly they dont have Canadian work experience so your chances are already limited like only 10 percent chance that the employer will even bother to call you. Now how that 10% comes down to 1% or even 0%, let me explain. They create opportunities to show Canadian government that we are creating employment opportunities for that they get marks and rewards in terms of 50 best employer of Canada or 100 best employer etc. So they create fake positions, so believe me or not remove 40% of those positions. So 40% of that 10% is removed and you come down to 6% chance that your application will be successful. Now out of those 40% they always say did you work for this company before do you know any one. Means reference for that an employee who is referring is getting a monetary benefit for hiring a right person and for that they take priority. So all the employees try to get their own references and there is only 1% chance that you get some hiring manager picked out of nowhere from those who has been referred by an employee. so if you apply that 99% on that 6% chance you get 0.000000001% chance that you get employed by a company randomly.
So my dear friends dont waste your time here and go back to your home country with a respectable jobs rather cleaing kichens and washing floors of mcdonalds or kfc. This place is for those who cant get good pay rates in their home country for labour job and hence cant buy home and or buy new car. This country is paying good to them and rewarding own home (which is banks property but you feel like its yours) and car on financing (which is also not yours) but in the end of your life you feel like you have everything. So I am packing my stuff and going back where I belongs I dont give a sh*t who dont respect my knowledge experience and education.”
“I came here 11 years ago , I compare myself with my friends where I came from , I found myself lost many things and value , it’s not about money but I feel like I am in a labour camp , work from 8 to 5 , pay massive amount of tax , everything I own belongs to the banks , layoff many times without notice , work like donkey and not able to save. Yes I was able to work in big companies , has a job in IT managerial role , but you can feel how much discrimination , white people or whatever they call them are the worst , I can feel the pain when a white people report to you , I can feel how they are hoping to report to white people like them , I have been laid off and replaced by a white guy just because I complain my white boss to HR , I can feel how the law in the side of the Canadian company , they can laid off you any time without cause , and you cannot complain to anyone , I am thinking seriously to leave Canada forever , this is not what I came for , I always tell newcomers , plan your future , try to continue your education , get your passport , and don’t build deep root , the government doesn’t give a shit about you , you are just a number paying tax and build the glory of Canada”
“WOW to this extent Canada is shit. I can’t really buy all these gloomy stories … I don’t know why I have a feeling that someone is purposely fabricating such stories to discourage others from applying to immigrate to Canada … might be wrong … anybody else share me the same feeling. ?!!!
Come see for yourself Yemeni. We’d love nothing more, than for you to come suffer with us. Nothing beats real life experience. Why don’t you immigrate to Canada and find out for yourself?”
“I am an active reader of this forum since January 2014.All of the facts stated here is true and honestly derived from immigrants personal experiences in Canada. I too moved to Canada (Alberta –Calgary) in April 2013 with a professional accounting designation from UK/Ireland. It was immensely hard and daunting task to find job in desired field in Canada. Nothing more to re-iterate ,I have taken a wise decision to return to Ireland in April 2014,immediately find a job with one of the top 4 US MNC bank in Ireland. I am now happily resettled, bought a new house, recently had a new born baby, one promotion, enjoying the friendly European nature and culture. Once I thought, my life was lost for ever in Canada. I took my decision based on conclusion reached by own personal experiences, general observation, similar comment posted on this forum. My advice to those who are willing to immigrate, please do not go to Canada if you have a decent job and family in the Country where you are living, otherwise go and ready for further challenge for next 5 years in Canada.”
“@Yemeni, the negative Canada comments would be just possible Bull Shit is only few people are saying it and typing about it all over the Internet. It is very likely true when there are many people all over the internet web sites such as Topix, Ratemyemployer, Yahoo Answers, Canadian Immigrant, and others saying the same things. Don’t blame other people that they did not warn you when you ignore their advice and insist on learning things the hard way.”
“everything you said about Canada is right”
“If one one of a few people all over the internet said the various parts of Canada sucks for everything, then it could be true. It is not BS when many people on many web sites have the same opinion. Yemeni can learn the easy way or the hard way. Don’t say we did not warn you.”
“My husband and I arrived here 4 months ago. We are contract workers in Singapore. I feel so depress because we have applied to so many jobs but we didnt recieved any call for interview. We are confused if we will just go back to Singapore or will still try to find job here. We are scared thay our hard earned money will be finished here due to unemployment. Please give us some advise”
“I have lived here for 15 yrars , my life is going down everyday but I have to take care a Canadian born ill husband. I am 50 years old woman,have no job,always apply for one but never get it. I live on credit card,almost bankrupt now. Please go back to your homeland before it’s too late as me,that has nothing to for retirement, just live in poverty.”
“It is hypocritical people defending “Canada’s Immortal Propaganda” about how good Canada will forever be. These people are in self delusional denial about how the system and society is slow crumbling and heading towards a fall. When citizens, immigrants, temporary are all saying the society and system is a dysfunctional mess, you better believe it or you can not blame others for tricking you. all over many Internet web site is this exposure of Canada’s dirty secret as a money sucking scheme. Go and check the web site links in the other comments and learn before you are too late.”
“To people who advocate Canada or asking people to stop complaining – For something to be true we need to look at the number of samples. Here in this forum, we could see ~95% or more failures. As far as i understand, the Canadian Govt / Immigration system is making money with people trying to move there. Like some one mentioned, once you move in, that’s all. You earn, you pay taxes, if you don’t earn, still you pay the rent and for consumables, through with they get money. Once you have left, un-successful, there is space for a new bait.
If 1/1000 people live a better life than others, then its not a paradise. People are milked their money for every process in immigration and education.
I read that Canada targets 1,85,000 people in a year for 2016. Why do they target 1,85,000 people to Immigrate to Canada? To solve the problem of not able to fill the job vacancies? No, just to make money as long as people move in and spend there.”
“@Canadienne, you are not alone in Canada being squeezed dry and living in poverty. The top 1% to 15% in anything are doing fine regardless if the economy goes up or down, it makes no difference. The other 85% of Canadian citizens, immigrants, and temporary foreign workers or refugees get treated like money ponzie schemes. All those college and university educated people being forced to do high school jobs to live is really wrong. Then the high school students have nothing. I find most government and private company employers seem to be playing hiring games to waste everyone’s time only to make themselves look good. I think they just make up some BS job vacancies to appear to be hiring, training, and contributing to society. In reality, they are just cutting everything and everyone to increase their own bonuses, and profits at everyone’s expenses. Each person and organization with a vested interest in continuing the sham line up to inhale your money. You get to pay, wait, apply, reapply, and other things, but you will never get to actually play. They advertise, ignore, readvertise, whine about having not enough staff. That is just acting and they don’t really care about having staff or not as long and they save money and keep all the profits, even if they crash their organizations in the process.”
“came here 3 years ago with wife a 3 boys, I have worked so hard and wife too, no culture just work work work pay out all out for cost of living, six months of winter nothing to do TV sucks food sucks, it’s a hard life when I talk with old people that have slaved all there life and have very little it’s just a trap here get here and slave. We are going to the US as soon as possible, don’t believe the hype on Canada”
“BY reading all these commends many canadian whites saying there is a 24% job shortage there.In that case the canadian government must stop this skilled migration programme until all canadians having their own job.If you have a skill shortage in canada and no canadian is there to fill upthose vacancies,what the government can not offer job letter to the foreigners before asking them to file the PR process?even the new express entry system also not effective.if u have skill shortage your job sites should not mention that “eligible to work in canada” even if the job profile sits in skill shortage list.If you have skill shortage and need foreign people to fill it advertise FIRST in internationl job sites,then ,after the company select people ask them to get PR and migrate to fill that vacancy.Not that canadian government authority FEELS/SMELLS that there is skill shortage and ask everyone to migrate to canada for NOTHING.use brain.If white people are jobless why government allow others?”
“@Vinod, many of us agree with your question. Do not assume the Canadian Government or corporate policy and decision makers are actually intelligent with common sense. They just have higher rank and power, interested in cashing in on their money bonuses and perks. The more immigrants and temporary foreign workers the system can push in and process, the more money every vested interest person and organization can generate. Many of the other commenters have mention that everyone (citizen, temporary worker, immigrant) is nothing more than a money cow to be milked. Canada has a serious problem with Canadian born citizens with college and university education being forced to do retail, fast food, private security, cleaner jobs to pay school debts, other debts, etc. The system and society is broken and declining. It is all a fraud. Immigrants and others keeping quiet about this fraud is doing everyone a disservice. The Internet should be the great knowledge equalizer to combat the misleading propaganda.”
“I was an international student in Canada from 2003-2006. Graduated with a computer science degree, graduated in top 5% percentage, dean’s list and completed some co-op work terms. Even while applying for co-op work terms, the competition was intense. There was very little opportunity from tech companies in Nova Scotia for internships. I ended up working at the computer science faculty as a lab admin and later at the same university IT dept doing Oracle DB PL/SQL scripting and web programming projects. I thought the work experience was OK and it was something good to be added into the resume before landing the first “real” job.
After graduation, I did apply for IT jobs in Canada, but I was not getting any interview. My student visa and passport were expiring very soon, so rather than trying to pay food and housing bills with menial jobs, it would be easier to go home and start a career there. Even menial jobs for an international student requires “legal”work visa back in those days because I was lucky enough to have an on-campus job which paid $7.xx an hour (min. wage in NS). I decided to return to Malaysia to reunite with my family members since I had been away for close to 3.5 years. Coming from a Chinese ancestry, I have a strong sense of filial piety, so I thought it was a good time to pay respects to some elders and parents who granted me the opportunity to complete the university education in Canada. Back then, the exchange rate was RM2.5-RM3 to $CA1. Because of forex, my folks worked and saved few times harder to give me a western “Canadian” education experience. Having experience both western and eastern lifestyle in cities, western family value has degraded much more. It is still a common sight for 3 generations living under the same roof, grandparents, parents and children harmoniously in Kuala Lumpur. Those who were born after the 70s are more exposed to western education, hence more influenced by western thinking and behaviors.
I landed my first job easily in Kuala Lumpur, one job application, an interview the next day, and I started working the day after. Over the years, from 2006 – 2012 in Kuala Lumpur, IT sector has been one of the easiest fields to find a job if you are good at what you do. Started off with RM32k and worked the way up to RM9x k annual salary.
I applied for the Canadian PR in 2007 with the hard earned savings in Malaysia. I did not close the student bank account and I diligently saved up $11k (TT and paypal) over the next 2 years. Only in 2010, CIC sent me a letter that my PR has been approved and I needed to do the landing within the 1 year period. I did the landing at Vancouver airport in Aug 2010 while keeping my permanent IT job in KL, I thought that was a smart move to spend 2 weeks at a relative’s home in BC. That short stay did not provide me with a lot of insight other than seeing Canada as slow and bureaucratic in certain aspects of public sector/service.
Almost a year later, I was offered a job at an IT startup in Halifax while still working in KL. So, I thought that would be a good time to move and fulfill the 2 years residency obligation. 3 months later, my contract was terminated with the IT startup and that was my first taste of being fired because higher management decided to go with a different direction. When they let me go, they said what a team player I was for putting in extra hours and etc, and we are sad to let you go. The different direction here implies after having a newly immigrated software developer/engineer completed a milestone feature that assisted the funding of a grant, the contract engineer is no longer needed and higher management can use the grant money for “something else”. I was actually happy to leave that startup and moved on. Few weeks later, I found another job with an IT Consulting firm in Halifax, the pay was $55k a year for an intermediate developer position. Took it because my housemate and I just signed a new 12 months apartment lease, so there is a need for pay check to settle the bills. Worked there for about 5 months as part of a contracting software consultants to an Oil&Gas company. The job was not fulfilling at all compare to the ones I had in Kuala Lumpur, it was just maintenance tasks for an old web project developed 4 years ago. So, I decided that if I were to work in IT, I would definitely enjoy a higher sense of work satisfaction, promotion and bonuses, warm weather, better food and family company in Kuala Lumpur. It was obvious enough for me to resign and travel a little bit in the maritimes. Left Canada in Sept 2011.
I went back home as a different person, much more appreciative of close family and friends. Worked in IT again and that short “misadventure” in Canada turns out to be a blessing because my salary was almost doubled when I return to the old company I used to work for.
Then, my life journey started to turn more inward and spiritual due to few other major life events. Started volunteering in organic farms, growing my own food in containers, meditating and studying Buddhist dhammas. In 2013, I return to Canada to volunteer in a retreat center. Ever since, this has been the way I live, far away from the cities and close to the mountains and lakes at Kootenays.
Like most of the comments above, if you are already successful in your home country and it is reasonably peaceful without war and terror, there is very little reason to migrate to another “developed” country to seek material success or wealth. If you are from an Asian country where a lot of good virtues and family values are still hold onto, it is foolish to abandon those values and replace with modern western values that will cause the inner well being to degenerate. Even living amongst or close with low morality people will have negative impact in your life.”
“@ Canadiene I’m in exactly the same boat and understand every word you say. My Canadian husband is retired on disability. All my savings went on making sure we had no debt. Now stuck, unable to get a job & no way to leave. It doesn’t help having no family here, and so called friends who always turn out to be just out for anything they can get. That seems to be a common trait here – nobody helps anyone without a price attached. I have been stabbed in the back so many times that I don’t trust anyone here at all. I am desperate to go home, but can’t wish for it as it could only happen if my husband …… well you get the idea.
The loneliness and depression which this country has caused in me is mind blowing. The occasional bit of pretty scenery in no way makes up for the numbing boredom of day to day existence here. And before anyone suggests it, yes, I have tried hard to integrate, but when you are constantly treated as though you come from a different planet and are stupid, it soon makes you stop trying. It really feels to me that Canada is on a different planet. There is so little connection to, or knowledge of, the wider world, that it scares me.”
“@ Gabby who were your ancestors? Mr crowfoot or Mr. Deergoot? To all Canadians defending Canada…. We call this ….” Gunndu chattile gudhirai otradhu….” No problem if you guys dont understand this. Right now I am sitting in northland mall and no eee kakkaa moves….Canada sucks big time….over inflated country and people…. Wait and see Canadian dollar go $0.50 USD….useless Canada… Useless Canadians….immigrants think we’ll…I am here for 9 years now”
“@JD I’m sure you have read this entire forum. Consider these few things before you move. You will need a very good amount of savings, much more than you will show as settlement funds. Keep in mind childrens education costs, your take home pay after 30% Tax cut. As soon as you land- you need a rental place to live, a cellphone connection(so recruiters can reach you) a bank a/c, maybe a printer/scanner to print resumes and cover letters, the weather is cold compared to India. Prepare for the worst case scenario (I’m not trying to scare you, nor be pessimistic) based on my research it takes an average of 4 months to score a job,please read real life stories of Immigrants, its all out there on the internet. Hard earned huge savings getting wiped out, those people are educated and “street smart” mind you, this is because at the time of applying for immigration no one imagined that they would have to pick up survival jobs- all they assumed was that they have the experience and the education and they are qualified enough to immigrate. You may be a teacher/esthetician etc in your home country but in Canada most professions need Licenses and you have to upgrade and pay for licenses accordingly. Read, research further. I have been invited for a Provincial Nominee Program- I’m having second thoughts now that I have started reading and researching in-depth.
Most immigrate with the assumption that life will be rosier,the lifestyle will be better, but ask yourself at what cost? Have a back-up plan just incase. JD I’m not aware about the job scenario, for your NOC Code. When we applied, the Job Bank sent irrelevant jobs and the reason could be because the job market is bad. Are you willing to work on a contract basis? I’m sure you’re aware to qualify for the express entry- you have to have your education assessed and also take the English exam like IELTS before you create your express entry profile.The grass is always greener on the other side.I want to thank those who have been open enough to share their struggles and warn others(not that I will base my life decision on their experience) My indecisiveness to go through with my application is what brought me to this forum. JD,I wish you the best of luck in your endeavor. Most importantly follow your HEART and no matter what you choose never regret that choice.”
“Most of the IT jobs are ‘just for name ‘ the person is already hired for the role”
“Canada does not need people with MBAs. Canada does not need managers and office staff. Canada needs trades people and laborers. Canadians will obviously hire Canadians first. There are many highly qualified and fluent English speakers competing for these white collar jobs. Why would I hire somebody that can’t communicate properly and cannot cohesively operate in a team because they have no concept of the social etiquette and protocols that are expected in Canadian business? Welcome to the real world. I expect this is the same in every single country, especially in the xenophobic Nations most of you come from. Sorry your time in Canada has been a waste but you clearly failed to do any research before coming here.”
“If you are from South Asia or Africa, then maybe Canada is for you but if you are from Europe then think twice before coming here..I lived in Germany as an Immigrant and I curse the day I divorced my German wife to come to this waste land…Career wise, I lost a great job in Germany and all I have been doing in this Toronto is working over the phone because je suis Francophone..I excellent civil engineering diplomas from Russia and Germany, and 2 college diplomas in Toronto..all did not work..Canadians in general are insecure and fear the intelligence. there are bad and good people all over..Toronto likes the Entrepreneurs so if you are one, then life maybe better for you..all in all, it depends on your experience but for me Germany is much much better than all North America.Good luck with new adventures!”
“After working for 10 years in the banking industry here in Canada my husband finds it extremely hard to work his way up. people openly tell you; it’s not what you know, but who you know that helps you secure a job. With only five big banks to choose from, most positions are filled this way. Your experience and qualification take a back seat. They expect new immigrants to be content with low paying jobs and don’t want to promote them.They think are communication is not on par. We are incapable of formulating ideas and opinions. We are moving back to India, where the air might not be the cleanest, but where we are treated with dignity and where peace of mind resides.”
“@ everyone, the government and corporation left and right hands do not know what they are doing. They will tell you one policy while all the other branches will contradict their organizational policies. It is really a dysfunctional and confusing mess called Canada. This seems to be the situation in the entire power and private sectors. Canada, USA and almost all the Western Block of countries are in long term decline, and maybe fall someday. Rome and the other ancient empires shrank and eventually collapsed as everything started to disintegrate like a societal cancer.”
These are among several I’ve read in addition to the horror stories I’ve continuously heard about from immigrants, not to mention the horrible experiences I’ve had.
I’m glad to see people telling the truth about these duplicitous douche-bags!!!! I’m making sure that I share and post this in as many places around the world as possible!!! STOP HIRING CANADIANS! They want fair treatment from everyone else on the planet when they go to their countries for work, but they never want to do that in return regarding employment in their own country! And Canadians have the NERVE to criticize America for racial backwardness!?!? America does sadly have some social problems. However America’s middle and upper middle classes contains Africans, African Americans, Muslims, East Asians and South East Asians, that Canada can only dream of!!!!
The Canadian government lures highly educated and highly skilled professional people from all over the world with dishonest promises of employment in their professional fields. They know full well that this “cuddly & polite,” but incredibly RACIST & XENOPHOBIC white populace has no intention whatsoever of hiring anyone with a strange long name or tan that emigrates here. Actually, let me be fair. I’ve heard of many EUROPEAN’S, and even some people from Australia and New Zealand voicing similar complaints about this place! Bottom line. The immigration PONZI SCHEME that Canada is running is an abomination!! You are a bunch of hucksters! And they get off their high horse regarding Americans, and feeling morally superior to them. You are some of the most ass backwards, mentally ill and retarded people I’ve ever met on this planet! And I mean DUMB AS FUCK compared to the many, many Americans I know! And I don’t mean the hinterlands of Canada. I’m actually referring to Montreal, Toronto and Vancouver. All of your “so called cosmopolitan cities, ROFLOL!! You can’t be serious???? Even after many thousands of complaints, you still continue to make these false promises around the world and just lure people here to suffer serious blows to their self esteem after they’ve spent their entire savings! That’s in addition to suffering endless humiliation as a result of having to either: a) Settle for low paying menial jobs. And it’s usually humiliating menial work that is several grades lower than their usual pay, and white collar professional rank. They instead end up at call centers, fast food places or minimum wage factories. b) Spend years not finding any work in their field AFTER having spent both their savings and racking up incredible levels of debt in the thousands of dollars! That’s after being further conned into taking courses on recommendation to “gain some kind of Canadian experience.” Knowing full well though, that this will still yield no results or nothing more than a job at Tim Horton’s or similar, or a Call Centre. Canadians talk a good game about being tolerant, etc. (Please see my remark about them talking shit about America’s issues) Well maybe you should look in your own fucking backyard, ok duplicitous douche-bags?! In fact I’ve never seen a western society that is so at ease with misrepresenting itself. Even part of the immigration lure of citizenship in 3 years turns out to be a lie! You can’t even keep that small promise! Where the hell do you people get off talking abut anybody???? The fucking NERVE!!!! And now, my favorite. You’ve now gone out to con refugees into coming here? Have you no fucking shame???? You know damn well you have no employment possibilities for these people who have seen horrors I can’t even begin to comprehend. You’re low birth rate is now their problem in addition to all the immigrants you’ve conned for the last several years?? Why not tell your citizenry to procreate more, and stop luring unsuspecting victims into your fucking nonsense?! Yes, more sex so as to have babies and less Ponzi scheming!!!!
If you have no jobs to offer, who the hell is reprimanding you?! Its not a crime, but don’t run around the world deceiving people that this is a place of milk and honey in terms of inclusiveness and opportunity, only for people to go through the humiliating ordeals that are far too commonplace among immigrants here. Most especially ethnic ones. There are several people who, like in the article included above, were living very comfortable and stable lives elsewhere. And by that I mean other Western democracies! That’s prior to having the misfortune of being sucked into your repugnant Ponzi scheme with false promises!! Like myself, they only took you on your word because a creed of Western industrialized societies is that of trust, and meaning what you say,a nd that your word has some credibility. Especially when it comes from a susposedly respectable authority such as the government. And there you have failed miserably! There’s no doubt whatsoever that this is deliberate deception to simply increase your tax base at the expense of others. It does however seem that the world is on to you. Upon many recent refugees (who’ve suffered unspeakable horrors) being offered asylum here……what was it, only 6% responded that they had any interest in coming here? That is powerful testimony! I certainly agree that they should be given safe cover from such horrors. And on that I commend you. However based on my employment experience here and that of many, many others in the immigrant class, you’ve set such a low fucking bar, that it’s not really saying much.
I very strongly encourage anyone that has excellent professional work and academic experience that plans to emigrate to a western country to try the United States, UK, Australia, New Zealand or Europe. This includes any Americans who are fearing a Trump victory, and exclaiming that they’ll move to Canada if that happens. Believe me, you will run right back to the USA. Trust me on that! Coming here is just asking to be cast in a three ring circus by a bunch of fucking con artists. They are just truly repugnant, duplicitous douche-bags!!!! AVOID!”
Globe & Mail article: “Did it feel like a slap in the face? When the federal government revealed this week that only 6.3 per cent of Syrian refugees living in Jordanian and Lebanese camps, when offered the chance, wanted to come to Canada, did we feel just a bit spurned? Like we had cooked a three-course dinner and vacuumed the house, only to learn that our friends would rather go out for pizza? … Which is why this should be sadly familiar. Contrary to our self-image, Canada is not good at attracting newcomers. We have, for most of our history, been better at deterring them – and we’ve done little lately to improve this record. In the century after the War of 1812, Canada’s stifling Anglican culture and colonial bureaucratic-mindedness were a powerful deterrent to arrivals. From the 1850s to the 20th century, a Statistics Canada historical analysis concluded, “many immigrants entered Canada. However, more people, especially those living in Eastern Canada, left the country primarily to settle in the United States.” The United Empire Loyalists who settled north of the border never numbered more than a few tens of thousands; the number of Canadians, and immigrants to Canada, who moved southward was an order of magnitude larger. For the first half-century of Confederation, Canada endured “migratory losses – more people left Canada than entered the country,” Statscan said. As our southern neighbour built a powerful economy on the ambitions of entrepreneurial newcomers, we missed the chance, settling for wood-hewing and water-drawing. It was only in the early 20th century, under Wilfrid Laurier’s leadership, that Canada learned to attract and keep people – by spending serious money on agencies and campaigns abroad, and giving people land and cash to come. No period has come close to the Laurier decade for keeping immigrants. We soon fell back to our exclusionary patterns. With the exception of the 1910s and the 1950s, immigration in the 20th century contributed little to Canada’s population growth: In many decades people didn’t want to come; in others, people arriving barely outnumbered those departing. We spent much of that century turning away refugees and warning each other about the civilizational threats posed by southern and eastern Europeans and Asians. Only after 1999 did immigration, for the first time, overtake childbirth as the main source of population growth. … Even in Britain, Canada has become a turnoff: We are currently the fourth-most-popular country for British emigration, far behind Australia (which receives twice as many people), the United States and Spain. In fact, it’s a net loss: During the past decade, an average of 5,200 British emigrants came here each year, while 8,500 moved the other way. Worse, the British Post Office surveyed British emigrants, and the happiest were those in France, Spain, the United States, Australia and Thailand – Canada didn’t make the list. We should heed the lesson we learned a few years ago in Ireland: After the country’s economy collapsed in 2008, Ottawa hoped for a migration boom of skilled workers. But only about 1,000 a year came, and they complained about unfriendly conditions and unaffordable cities. Only after paying for a big advertising and outreach campaign did that rise to 5,000 – for a year, until things got better in Ireland. Next time we have a months-long national debate about migrants, maybe it shouldn’t be about them, but about us – why we still seem so cold and unwelcoming, even to those we want.”