Comment: The Handmaid’s Tale & Canada

I’ve just finished watching the first season of the series The Handmaid’s Tale. It’s based on the dystopian novel by Canadian author Margaret Atwood. The series greatly improves on the novel by fleshing out the material a little better and expanding on the original idea.

I was greatly amused but not at all surprised to see Canada portrayed as “paradise north” in the show. Canada is the great “escape” for citizens of the nation of Gilead (formerly the USA): a violent theocracy which came to power after birth rates plummeted and procreation became a rarity. Citizens attempt to escape to Canada “the land of the free”.


Fleeing north is somewhat reminiscent of southern slaves and the Underground Railroad. What’s ironic about this however is the fact Canada also had slavery which was only abolished due to British law and was the consequence of being a British colony. While it’s true that Canada’s slavery never reached the same level as the U.S., as we now know this was only due to the wretched poverty of Canada’s poor laborers and its relative poverty to the wealthier United States. Canada also practiced slavery with Aboriginals (something which also happened to a limited degree in the U.S.).

Other comparisons can be made: African Americans in the U.S. were legally guaranteed the right to vote in 1965; Status Indians in Canada were able to vote in 1960. The Inuit are generally accepted as having legitimately ‘gained the right to vote’ in 1962. (source)

In 1920, women in the U.S. were given the right to vote (the 19th Amendment). Twelve states held out on ratifying the amendment, dragging it out for decades more. Prior to the amendment 18 states had granted women the right to vote.

In Canada, women’s right to vote varied by province: the first province to grant voting rights was Manitoba in 1916; the last province would be Quebec in 1940. (source)

The closer one looks at these neighboring nations the more one begins to glimpse the parallels. Far from being ethically superior, Canada begins to look disturbingly similar to America. Lean in closer to observe the historical and legal cracks in its claims to higher enlightenment.

In the USA, women’s rights to abortion varied by state prior to 1973. A federal law (Roe vs Wade) came into effect that year guaranteeing national rights, brought on by a plaintiff from Texas. Abortion only became fully legal in Canada in 1988. Previously the Criminal Code had been amended (1969) to allow abortion if a woman’s life was in danger or a board of doctors signed off. In 1990, Prime Minister Brian Mulroney attempted to criminalize abortion again, but failed. Accessibility to abortion services tended to vary by province, and abortion wasn’t available in the province of Prince Edward Island until 2016.

I will briefly mention there have been some differences in religious beliefs and movements between the USA and Canada – a topic I will leave for another post.

Religious fervor versus wimps:

Reflecting on the matter, despite more fundamentalism in the United States – I believe Canada is a far more likely candidate for a dystopian theocracy than the U.S. First there are the numbers: 35 million inhabitants being far easier to dominate and control than 320 million. Second, is the geography: Americans being spread out over a vast terrain of diverse lands, while nearly all Canadians live grouped together along the southern border in limited regions.

Third, Americans have the right to self-defense enshrined into their constitution through the Second Amendment which says in part … “the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed” and which was upheld by the Supreme Court, guaranteeing Americans the fundamental right to bear arms for protection.

In the United States there are an estimated 270 million guns, conservatively. It’s believed just over roughly a third of citizens own a firearm. (source) That’s approximately 96 MILLION individuals who own firearms.

The United States is often lambasted for its internal divisions, but in this case it may be a blessing in disguise. The country tends to be very divided politically: mainly between Republicans and Democrats; each group fiercely unapologetic about its beliefs. It also tends to be divided socially: between the more conservative religious base, and the liberal-progressives. If a theocracy or autocratic regime were to attempt to establish itself, then roughly half the nation would oppose it – creating a momentous civil war.

In order to establish dominance, a regime would have to resort to destruction on an unprecedented scale (which is simpler in theory than action). For example, take the guerrilla warfare well known in other areas: Ireland, South America, Israel and Palestine, to name but a few. Hold out factions of rebels, criminals or other groups can last decades; Afghanistan comes to mind.

Meanwhile in Canada, residents aren’t even supposed to have pepper spray. Guns mainly belong to law enforcement, hunters and farmers, while the words “self defense” induce liberal gasps of horror among the self-proclaimed intelligentsia. Canadians can hardly run a bath, let alone a rebellion.

And so the two nations carry on along their parallel paths, but Canadians lack Americans’ rights to self defense, bearing arms, free speech; not to mention their combativeness, blunt honesty and rebellious nature. Canadians still have MONARCHY in the 21st century – something Americans abolished two centuries ago!

If anybody is going to live under the thumb of lunatics, it will be Canadians far before Americans, in my humble opinion.

Post Script: I gave up on this show.

Food insecurity in Nunavut ‘should be considered a national crisis’ expert says

The fun continues in Canada. Take a glimpse at the North of the country:

Nunavut (we descend deeper into hell); Yukon (not gold)

Northwest Territories (a new level of hell)

From CBC

Food insecurity in Nunavut ‘should be considered a national crisis,’ expert says

“Food insecurity in Nunavut “needs remedial action,” say the authors of a new report who call for a national food policy.

The Conference Board of Canada released its 2016 food report card on provincial performance, which looks at industry prosperity, healthy food and diets, food safety, household food security and environmental sustainability.

The group defined food insecurity in terms of affordability, availability and utilization, as the United Nations does, said report co-author Jean-Charles Le Vallée, associate director of the board’s Centre for Food in Canada.

Nunavut lags far behind the rest of Canada with one in four people food-insecure compared with up to 10 per cent in the provinces.

“Nunavut is affected more than any other province or territory by household food insecurity, and needs remedial action,” the report’s four authors wrote.

The challenges include high food prices in remote and Northern communities and low incomes for Canada’s Indigenous population as a whole, they said.

“Canada doesn’t think as a country strategically around food,” Le Vallée said. “We don’t have a national food policy. We don’t have a national food strategy.”

In Nunavut in 2014, almost two-thirds of those under the age of 18 were living in households that were food-insecure, said Valerie Tarasuk, a professor in nutritional sciences at the University of Toronto who studies food issues in relation to poverty and homelessness.

“That’s huge. That should be considered a national crisis,” Tarasuk said.

Food insecurity in Nunavut can be addressed, in part because the population is not that large, she said.

“[It’s] really a matter of great urgency that somebody federally move into Nunavut now and start to figure out what kind of resources need to be allocated there to enable people to meet basic needs.”

Alarm bells are ringing but new approaches are needed, said Iqaluit resident Leesee Papatsie. She created a Feeding My Family Facebook group.

“There’s still people struggling to put food on the table,” Papatsie said. “Sometimes we get asked, ‘You have extra cereal? You have bread?’ Just the basics.”

The Conference Board assigned Nunavut a D for food security for those aged 12 and older based on 2011-12 data from Statistics Canada. The Northwest Territories was assigned a B and Yukon and all provinces got As.

The report said some people are more vulnerable, including those living in remote areas, hunting and gathering societies such as the Inuit, single parents, inner-city poor and low-income Canadians.

Overall, food insecurity affects 4 million Canadians, the report estimates.

For Tarasuk, those numbers show no province or territory deserves a grade of A or B on food insecurity because so many are still going hungry.

“There is no question food insecurity erodes people’s health,” she said.

By the time someone is seriously worried about being able to feed themselves and family, chances are they’re behind on rent, utility bills and prescription medication.

Regardless of where in the country people are struggling, Tarasuk said other research points to the benefit of interventions to improve the financial circumstances of those at the bottom of the economic spectrum.

The food insecurity situation in P.E.I. hasn’t changed in about 10 years, said Colleen Walton, a nutrition researcher at the University of PEI and a member of the province’s food security network.

“Parents, especially women, will protect their children, so when you have children living in food-insecure situations and experiencing hunger and poor-quality diets we know that the families are in dire, dire conditions,” Walton said. “It’s all about money.”

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s mandate letter for agriculture includes a call for a food policy “that promotes healthy living and safe food by putting more healthy, high-quality food, produced by Canadian ranchers and farmers, on the tables of families across the country.”


What a lying, sham country this is! The other provinces got “A” levels? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Typical cakers: lie about the state of things, self-congratulate and ignore the rot!

I’m disgusted!

Refuge in BC? Not Quite.

As I go through the process of covering the country, one idea presents itself: taking refuge in B.C. from the inept backwardness of the rest of the nation. This is a pretty common idea among desperate cakers. But B.C. itself isn’t all that pretty when you glimpse beneath the surface.

I’ve already covered the Thompson-Okanagan, and will get to Vancouver and area soon enough.

When people speak of moving to B.C., they almost always mean the Lower Mainland, Greater Vancouver Area or possibly Van island. Most people forget that at least half the province (“north”) is as bad as anywhere else they’re fleeing from.

Not only is it subject to the same terrible winter weather as the other provinces, but it can also boast of terrible poverty, redneck towns, and staggering levels of ineptitude. Having personally lived in northern British Columbia I can tell you it’s as awful as anywhere else.

Let’s begin with some shit town communities.

We’ll start with
Prince George:

It’s the largest city in northern B.C. with a population of just over 70,000 people. A few years back it made it into Maclean’s magazine as Canada’s most dangerous city (a title it held for three years), although by 2016 it had dropped to third place.

21% of children there are living in poverty and over half of single parents are living below the poverty line. The minimum wage is $12.65/hour despite the ‘living wage’ being nearly $17/hour; and (according to a government study) 65% of studied residents were either on social assistance or disability.

Nearby on Highway 16 – known as the Highway of Tears – women (up to 40, according to some groups) have been going missing for decades. There are probably multiple serial killers at work. It’s been argued that little has been done since most of the victims are Aboriginal. And in classic B.C. corruption, whistle-blower Tim Duncan claims emails pertaining to the issue were deleted (he calls the B.C. government a “cesspool”).

Let’s move on to some other shit towns. How about Smithers? A town of less than 6000 people with almost no vacancy rate; an average rental is $750/month; no proper services or access to them. There is limited employment and most people can’t afford to travel anywhere. Basically, a typical northern B.C. town.

How about Hazelton? The village and surrounding district has 627 residents. See: same issues as before, but worse: a poverty rate of 80%. The town’s biggest news and “hope for the future”? An outdoor hockey rink.

What about Vanderhoof? A town with a population less than 5000 people. And more of the usual for B.C.: a nearly 20% “low income” rate; 10% unemployment rate; about 90% of people have to drive. See: same issues as noted above. Women regularly go missing or wind up murdered, and a local serial killer was sentenced a few years ago.

How about Prince Rupert? Its population is just over 13,000 and on the decline. It had a child-poverty rate of 30% in 2016. See: same issues again.

Let’s try Dawson Creek, a city of just under 13,000 people. Like most work in the north (B.C. and elsewhere) the majority of employment is through extraction and a lot of the industry is going to shit. Again, close to 20% of children are living in poverty. See: here we go again.

I could write about another ten shit towns, but why bother? Surely you get the point by now?

Overall, 1 in 5 children live in poverty and it’s been that way for years. As of 2017, it was the second-worst province for child poverty. The province only just now passed a poverty reduction plan/legislation – half assed, as per usual. 

Its affordability is classed as “severe” and is the least affordable of the provinces (generally speaking) for housing and rentals. The average home price is $700k or more. 

The takeway:

Half of British Columbia is encompassed by the “north” which is a collection of barely populated cities and shit towns where unemployment, poverty, and violence are abundant. A lack of proper transit forces people to hitchhike or pay absurd costs to travel. There’s a fair chance if you take risks while travelling you could be killed by serial killers. (With Greyhound stopping its services in Western Canada, there is now no reliable transport in the North – particularly along the ‘Highway of Tears’.)

The main sources of employment are extraction industries, and whenever clean energy comes into use those jobs will be wiped out and northern B.C. will become more of a wasteland than it already is. There’s nothing to see, nowhere to go, no money to get there; a lot of boredom and despair.

The Okanagan is unaffordable except for the wealthy few and has become a cesspool of drug trafficking, addiction and crime. 

Vancouver is extremely expensive and just below Toronto in costs of living. Overall, B.C. is the most expensive place to live despite having a lower minimum wage than four other provinces, and rate close to a couple others. B.C. is jokingly referred to as “Bring Cash”. 

Welcome to B.C., Canada … ! 

Edmonton: Rants

I will delve into a post about the shit hole that is Edmonton another day. It’s hockey players most hated city and top five for crime. Some guy even made a blog about it. For today, enjoy the rants:

“Edmonton is a shity place to live. Should be ranked way lower


“Edmonton is literally a cesspool. I’ve lived in a few places and travelled to many, and Edmonton is by far the worst city I’ve ever spent time in. I’m happy for the people who enjoy it here but I am personally counting down until I get to leave this place and move back to the west coast! Safety index, pollution, etc. aside….those things are all lovely but they don’t give you an idea of what living in Edmonton is actually like. This city is the most vile, redneck place you can imagine. Dirty pickup trucks, people wearing baseball hats and sunglasses inside to fancy restaurants, the sun never shines, the roads are falling apart, the entire city is depressing. It’s like something out of a apocalyptic movie. Even Calgary only three hours away is far better than this place. The entire city is built off oil rigs, and you can tell. Horrible, horrible place. I was born here and can’t wait to leave.


“Edmonton is dirty and polluted. You go outside into the park with your kids at the east and you smell the refineries. Since Canada opens the door for everybody, communication is also a huge cluster fuck, starting from ordering a bagel to tech-support. The government itself is filled with crooks and retards, and you will take notice on that when the oil price collapses, cause savings are made on the wrong ends (schools, health care), property taxes are rising and so far I have not seen any relieve from all this. House prices are very high and renting property is no fun either. No oil no future for Alberta. In regards to the people, you have your d-bags, but also very kind people. The only thing that is annoying is the massive amount of different cultures here. I am getting out the door and have a feeling of living in Manila, cause of those fucking Pilipinos. Everybody who is able to hammer a fucking nail straight into the wall is able to immigrate here, no English required. I get pissed off when I have to use hands and feet to fucking communicate. I took English course to improve my communication skills, that shit should be mandatory. I need to get the fuck outta here.


“Edmonton sucks worst place ever,i mean instead on focusing on the important things like health care childcare and so on,we build a arena just to make more money for people who already have more then enough,but at least we pay for a government who is full of crocks and dickheads,who get payd 100.000 a year for trying to find ways to make our lives a citizens even harder.Edmonton should be ashamed


“I live in Edmonton, most expensive place for housing, and finding a place is extremely hard. I have a 500 sq ft apartment for 1000.00 per month (nothing included) 

Food prices can jump as often as the gas prices. Since a lot of the gas comes from here- you would think we would have cheaper gas, not true, actually cheaper toward the east usually and even in Calgary. from 90 cents per litre to 114.00 per litre over night, and this happens weekly. Pot Holes and Non Stop Road Construction- and someone said it before, they are not prepared for population growth. Most expensive place I have even live.


“Edmonton while once being clean affordable and safe is no longer that city. Taxes go up every year to pay for arenas, art galleries, a transit vision that no one will use and will cripple commuting times, a library entity that costs over 50 million a year to run plus its new over the top branches being buit and $500,000 makerspace projects (a fancy cyber cafe/kinko’s) ,city politicians that have no experience and who do not listen to the people, a 1% art levy for all projects + the flag.waving arts council massive salaries that have given taxpayers silver rabbit turds on the side of.the road and $50,000 wall painting of bouncing balls by some overseas artist. ( a ten year old could.have done better)at fitness centers that are black holes for our tax dollars, but not for surrounding communties which use.them.

There are people here living pay check to pay check but council puts art galleries, transit, arenas and their own salaries first.

If you think Edmonton is such a great place you may want to read a bit more river valley is.useless unless you like to eat nuts and defecate in the.bush.

You will also find that a large percentage poiticians do not stay here after retiring and.if.they do they are only part timers. Not a great endorsement for.such a.great place…..


 “Alex C. You may not be talking out of your arse but what is coming out of your mouth or from.your fingers is very close to the same product that would if you were. 

To comment or judge someone elses life, job or actual experiences without “being there in general” would actually make you an awesome candidate to run for Edmontons city council. They are also totally out of touch with what this city and the citizens require to enjoy life.

You may also want to reread my previous post about our mayors etc that run away to warm.places while the rest of us stay and pay for all their legacy projects.

Maybe I should check to see if “Alex C” was previously employed by the City of Edmonton and you now are talking from your soapbox in good old Uruguay.

You have also shown your ignorance(another quality for city council) by using the US of A as a point about living in Edmonton.

I have actually “in general” lived in the US and it is nothing like here. The only places I found close were in the midwest.

Alex you may require some TP to wipe a little something off your lip.


“I have been living here since 1968…The last 12 years, since Mayor Smith left, have been an utter disaster. Mayor Mandel (spendal), gave away our city to developers, we lost the airport for a pie in the sky dream that will never work, our museum for a new legacy project (have a guess what will happen to the land where the old museum sits), and many other things that made our city great! Mayor Iveson has continued the tradition of giving away our land & city to the developers, but added a twist now we have also given the roads to bike lanes, and transit trains that do not work . Same thing as our previous PC government giving away our resources to big oil…Privatizing our provincial parks. Once my last child leaves home ETA 5-6 years, I am out and never returning. I hate how the city has developed and how little is done to help the ordinary citizens who pay the taxes for their schemes and legacy projects. I miss the old Edmonton, the one we loved and grew up with, it is now a city for developers and big business only! Cannot wait to leave!


“I agree. When a mayors (Iverson the I want to be PM) acceptance speech identifies that he wants to help special interest groups I knew right away that common hardworking Edmontonians were in for a huge withdraw of funds from their wallets. 

With property taxes going up 5% every year it directly makes utilities, insurance, consumer goods etc increase as well.City departments role should be to help decrease costs and reduce loss of taxpayers hard earned money.

What I have seen wasted.

:City road cleaning truck being followed around by another city truck with the driver and his passenger laughing and doing the macerana.

: 8 City police and bylaw officers and their cars at speed traps while you cant even get a officer to your house to fingerprint after a breakin.

:City police car out in Devon dropping of his kid for horse riding lessons.

:Edmonton Public Library spending 30 million on salaries and still creating director of directors jobs (exucutive directors) when libraries should be shrinking their staff. Yes EPL is one of the most expensive libraries to run in Canada.

: Edmontons property taxes are higher than Calagaries and Vancouvers.

:Our garbage and recycle costs $43 a month and increases about $5 a month p/year, Calgarys is $14. Yes people that should be added to your property tax so it is transparent for the cost of living here.

:50 miilion more (150 total) for the fancy designed one way bridge by the kinsmen. Who the hell puts in a one way bridge when everyone knows that we needed another way to cross the
river when the high level is blocked or under repair.

: A useless outdoor escalator so the poor lazy city workers can get to the river valley for a nice walk during their 1 hour plus lunches.

:A $600 million rink that no normal taxpayer will ever be able to afford to see the inside of.

:Fitness facilities that are poorly run and are already huge money pits like the libraries.

This town is dying. It only survives because of oil and the oil will never be what it was. Green technology is taking over and I intend to be out of this city as soon as I can sell my house.


“You know how the media is always telling us how great and vibrant Edmonton is? Well they really wouldn’t need to do all this promoting if Edmonton truly was a great city… think about it. 


“It’s all the PC goverment’s fault, they ruined this province.




“Biggest shithole in Canada


“This city is a shithole


Edmonton’s public transit is terrible . Awful . It is a debacle and a disgrace . Many people in Edmonton live in suburban type housing . Regular Mass Transit directly to these areas is very rare . In this one respect Calgary beats Edmonton . For all of Calgary’s negatives it has this one public amenity over Edmonton . All Edmontonians deserve a modern transit system that covers the entire city . IF YOU ARE THINKING OF MOVING TO EDMONTON YOU SHOULD OWN A CAR IF YOU WANT A CAREER / JOB THAT PAYS A LIVING WAGE ($25.00-$30.00 PLUS AN HOUR) . Many guys I grew up with went into the trades . Every single one of them owns a car and drives . In fact I am the only person older than 25 years old that I know ( that isn’t on Welfare or A.I.S.H. [ I , MYSELF , AM ON A.I.S.H. AND ONLY ONE PERSON I’VE EVER MET ON A.I.S.H. HAD A DRIVER’S LICENSE ] ) that doesn’t own their own car and drive . You have to to hold down a decent job .


“not 40 years… 15. Edmonton is 15 years behind in everything.Especially health care. They’ll give a 2yo a punch biopsy for a runny nose.


“Get the fuck out of Edmonton. Totally mismanaged bullshit. Edmonton raping the economy and it’s residence.


“Why are there so many sick children and sick adults in and around Edmonton? – Every time I look at a newspaper or watch the news there is another sick kid we are supposed to feel sorry for… WHY ARE YOU PEOPLE SO SICK?!??!?!?!??!??!?

Why are there so many suicides, murders, stand-offs, sexual assaults, apartment fires for such a small city? 800 000 people is small. The amount of crime in and around Edmonton is staggering..

I hate living here so much.


“Psychologist referral in edmonton = some random idiot calls you and tells you to go to a walk in clinic.


“Sad cause we need them to help us cope with living here


“I have lived in 12 States, and 3 Provinces- By far the most expensive place I have ever lived. Plus the housing is so bad, I have a 450 square foot Apartment, for 1000 per month. Had to wait 1 months to get into it, because there just isn’t housing available. Plus parking costs money, everywhere. The Gross Provincial Funding must come from Parking- average cost at the University is 1.25 cents per 15 minutes- $5.00 per hour. On the streets it’s closer to 3 or 4 dollars per hour. Even in a home where you have to park on the street, you have to buy parking permit to park at your own home, or you will be ticketed. Gas Price fluctuate from 91 cent per litre to 1.14 per litre over night, with little warning. The taxes on Vehicles from other Provinces or the US are so high, in some cases it’s better to buy a nice used car. The Pot holes are big enough to fall into, while in your car, the troglodytes live down there, I can only assume. The average night out for 2 people, at a dive bar, a movie and maybe a cheap dinner- aka nothing fancy, will cost between 200 – 250 dollars.

The cheese here is awful. If you like cheese, don’t live here. It’s crap.

The Provincial “Sin” tax on Alcohol, Tobacco, and Gas, yes, on Gas, because that’s an addition, not something you have to have to get to work, get’s jacked up at the drop of a hat. In the first 6 months I live here, it was raised 4 times.

Reconsider Moving here. The comment on SPorts teams, they had a Lacrosse Team that won the NLL CHampionship 2015- two weeks afterward relocated to Regina because the Owner of Rexall/New Oiler’s Arena refused to have them in the new facility. A lot of politics here to top off the expensive cost of living/low pay rates. Toronto, Vancouver, Even White Horse, Yukon is better compared to this.


“Description of average male in Edmonton:

1) Overweight
2) Drives a truck
3) High school education or less
4) Wears a ball cap
5) Listen to country music
6) No sense of style
7) Uses the words “seen” and “saw” interchangeably
8) Ignorant and loud
9) Smokes

Description of average female in Edmonton:

All of the above expect # 4
In addition:
1) Most likely has two or more children by the age of 24
2) Unmarried


“And they can’t drive for shit. I thought driving in Toronto was bad but Albertan drivers amaze me everyday with stupidity. And some Saskatchewan drivers too. They might be worse.


“preach on brother.


“I’ll add “rampant homophobia” and “douchebag idoltry”.

Lived there for 4 years. Found that if your a guy and your style sense means you dress respectfully, then complete strangers will either give you the ” fuck you” shit eating “Bro, check out that faggot” smile, or drive past you and call you a faggot. Translation: If you aren’t in a pair of jeans, T-shirt and wearing a baseball cap, then their inner homophone will rise to the surface.

Well I guess there is the reasoning of “Protest strong enough and people won’t suspect you’re gay”.

So I suppose Edmonton’s got the highest population of gays in Canada.
Maybe the ” get a trade, get laid, get paid”, “yeah I’m working on my second divorce”, ” I’m better than you because I got me a REAL job” Edmontonians are just angry because there aren’t enough gay bars in the city.


 “Great post, and very true!


“The number of self-entitled ignorant red necks living here is ridiculous! Alberta is the Texas of the US. Wasteful and ignorant province. If you are from a large city and used to people having intellect and class this province is one to avoid.


“have lived in edmonton for about 26 years and everything here is true, the urban sprawl is ridiculous, the new high density style homes are hideous, the city looks like a giant work camp with its cookie cutter homes. Go to the Hamptons or any of the newer subdivisions and its like a crappy US town from the 50s with model A or B homes all along the street. The night life is terrible, Im lucky I have a good group of friends that house parties are just a better way to have fun than a bad nightclub with overpriced smirnoff. We would take weekend trips to vegas and end up spending less than if we balled out as hard in Edmonton. They know people want to leave and thats why they also tax the living hell out of flights leaving the country. Its a joke…

The people are good though, yes there are rednecks, yes there are rig pigs but thats due to the job market. It wasnt even like this 10 years ago but Edmontonians are friendly people for the most part and most of the racists keep to themselves. But for how expensive it is to live in Edmonton if you are an average Canadian, which I am, means basics like groceries are expensive. I traveled to Hawaii and for a place that has to import everything, the prices there were cheaper than in Edmonton. I’ve never seriously considered moving away but I’m now looking at options to live in a smaller city where property taxes aren’t going toward wasteful spending like an arena that will benefit a billionaire. People who think sports stadiums actually help the economy are deluded after all the economic studies done throughout north america that prove the contrary. Don’t forget the horrendous public transport and the fact that the LRT intersects some really busy roads that ends up causing huge traffic jams every day. The lack of planning is what really hurts the city and all these spur of the moment decisions are making Edmonton worse. 

A big issue resides in the fact that a lot of Albertans have never even left the province, let alone the country to actually experience what other cities have to offer. They think the city is amazing because they have nothing to compare it to. It’s just going to be a forever mediocre city filled with a lot of idealistic people.


“Can’t agree with you more. The number of ignorant people living in this city is absurd. I’ve spent most of my living in Toronto and Ottawa and wow was this city a shocker. A year in and I’m ready to go! It’s a different world out here, and one I hope to get away from very soon. I have never encountered so many teen/early 20 something mothers. If you’re from a small town this is most certainly, “Simpleville,” and you’ll like it just fine. Otherwise stay far….far away!


“Moved here 5 years ago with wife and son from Ontario. god I miss it and appreciate it so much after being here this long. Edmonton is meh. not a horrible place but after a year of living here I was done. 4 years later and I feel like i’m going to lose my mind.

Don’t very much like a lot of the people who are from here either. Most of the people I like aren’t even from here. I saw a bumper sticker the other day that was shaped like the province of Alberta and it said “Fuck off. We’re full already”. In a nut shell that describes Albertans, from my experience working and living with them. 

I was told before coming it was more cultured than Calgary. Maybe but I’d still pick Calgary over this place any day. Edmontonians over hype this place with claiming festival city and all that shit. True festivals happen, but there’s still more and better festivals in other cities in Canada. Edmonton has very little going for it. 

As someone’s already said here, it will change you for the worst. I’ve become somewhat more of a bitter person after 5 years here. I’ve tried to find the positive but the few good things it has going isn’t enough. i was hoping it would grow on me after 5 years. It hasn’t. Can’t wait to get out of here next spring. 

Anyone thinking of moving here permanently. You’ll regret it. Plus apparently they’re full already.


 “I lived in Edmonton from 2009-2011, and during that time tried to love it and carve out a happy life there. I was far from happy, though. Even though quality-of-life issues like transit (I lived car-free) obviously affected my happiness, I realized that my greatest unhappiness came from being an “outsider” in a city that does not embrace “outsiders”. Now, the term “outsider” is not exactly the most appropriate as it connotes being born in a place versus not born in a place. The inside/outside culture of Edmonton is far more detrimental; there is an “inside” track for those who think the same, act the same, and do not push outside that box. Everyone not willing to shut up and do the same is an “outsider”.

I live now in a city that has its own problems–what city doesn’t?–but the biggest difference is that here I can be respected for my unique contributions, and the goal is to do my part in my way to continue to make my community a healthy and happy place to live.

Because Edmonton tends toward insulation because it is fairly remote, the hurdle it must jump over completely is this mentality. This type of mentality stifles the kinds of input and ideas that ultimately give a city well-rounded character, depth, and cohesive planning and development. And, unfortunately, this kind of mentality provides the opportunity for corruption and abuse of power; corruption and power trips are never erased completely, but out of all the places I have lived, corruption was by far the worst in Edmonton. (My home city list includes Chicago–notorious for its long history of corruption!–and Edmonton was far worse!) 

There were things I liked about Edmonton, and I encountered really kind people who were frightened to take any step that might make them an “outsider” as well as some truly terrible, awful souls who had been granted power they abused, and in so doing created a very toxic environment.


“I live in sherwood park just outside edmonton. My family moved here from toronto and i’m in grade 10 age 16 and i’m old enough to see edmonton for what it is. Edmonton is in my opinion the most useless run down redneck hockey loving racist pickup truck loving redneck racist white trash overly polluted poorly made extremely boring lackluster hick town full of foul mouth over patriotic redneck white trash pile of gorilla shit to grace gods green earth.

Now I know that sounded childish but thats as true as ot gets.

1 is the people don’t have any good qualities. There a bunch of retarded rednecks who think they are better then the rest of the world. There extremely racist too. I am italian which is Mediterranean so I am kinda darker and I get no respect because of that. Its a joke here. Who the fuck cares about your color? The day before I entered a 7-11 store wearing a scarf colored after the italian flag because of world cup and some white trash redneck fucker gave me the dirtiest look ever. He was about my age and because im cheering for my team that is bad. And then theres the extreme hicks. 

They drive the biggest most pathetic over sized piece of shits on the road. Most rednecks are poor in america but here in edmonton they got lots of $$$$$$ and im not lieing. These people spend anywhere between $80000 to $120000 on their hill billie mobiles. Who would pay that much to modify a vehicle thats made to carry around manure? And those hanging testicles aint that cool either. Usually these trucks also have desiel engines with all emission controls off and straight pipes so they sound like vacuum cleaners and fire out black smoke which is annoying when your walking down the sidewalk and a random truck comes along and fires a shit ton of smoke into your face. Another annoying thing is people who drive by in there vehicles and yell something rude to you. 

Walking around sherwood just isn’t worth it. Biking is even worse. You better have a $1000 bike or prepare for the worst bashing possible. In sherwood park you must ride with caution if you have a budget bike. So the only other way to get around is your car but thats bad too. If you have a small car or a european car your branded as a “queer”. Everyone has a pickup and its dreadful seeing them everywhere. No diversity in cars but people are even less diverse. White trash and thats it. Worst is they are as generic as people get. They all have the same lame ass hair cut. Same lame ass baseball hats. They all wear the same clothes and worst of all though I dont mean to be mean but they all look and act like inbreds. Its either there inbreds or just uneducated and deformed by the refinery. Guys are pretty bad but girls are not much better. Though they are pretty they act all snobby about it. They think there the best. Just like guys here girls are racist too. If your not white then your nothing and i’m not white. Back to girls is there rude and arrogant and only like people who look like these “inbreds”. They think there above the rest of this world and its just not true there actually the lowest form of female. People of both genders annoy the crap out of me just as much as their pickups and country music dose. I dont mean to be rude if I did but im just telling the truth. 

Yesterday I was hanging out with one of my friends and what was there to do? NOTHING!!! No places to go and no activities to do. Went to tim hortons and then my house and thats it. And then theres sports. In edmonton and surrounding areas people seem to like hockey. Its even worse that hockey players say they always got girls on there dicks. Then they go to say if play or like any other sport your a “fag”. And if you dislike hockey then your treated like a dog. Its stupid but its true. Then theres “hockey moms” who think putting their stupidly named big headed son in hickey makes them good people. You boy suffers enough living with you dont force them into hockey. And they also take their husbands pay while he works down in the oil sands and spends it on stupid shit. Its like the even worse redneck version of the already shitty suburban living. 

Then theres housing. Its a joke. All you get are a bunch of 2000 sq ft $700000 generic tract mansions. Every 5th house looks exactly the same. Once I took a walk down the road and found my exact house 5 houses down the street. The only form of character are the old houses which are smaller but nicer. Now not all of edmonton is bad. Some parts have nicer more diverse people, Less of. A hockey following and better vehicles and housing. You got to travel a bit but once you find one of the good parts of edmonton find out where you are and live there. My review of edmonton gives it a 0/10 but some of those good areas dont feel like edmonton but more like calgary get a 7-8 out of 10.


“I am a former Maritimer who currently lives in Calgary. I recently went on a road trip with my fiance to Edmonton, and I have to say – it’s absolutely horrid, and I couldn’t get out of there fast enough.

For a provincial capitol with a reputation for the arts, more liberal ridings than Calgary and a great university (well, compared to U of C anyway) I was expecting a cosmopolitan city with historical character buildings. 

Nope. The first thing I saw was a, outlandish white monster truck heading into Edmonton at breakneck speeds with a Jesus fish stuck to the back. When we stopped for coffee, there was a minivan painted up with angels and large text proclaiming, “JESUS IS COMING BACK!!! ARE YOU READY?!” Apparently Edmonton is ready, as I have never seen so many Jesus-fish in my life – and I live in Calgary. I went there with an open mind, because I’d heard that Edmonton had a better arts scene than Calgary – but it was the most awful city I’ve ever set foot in (and I’m a former flight attendant, so I’ve travelled a lot). 

The entire vibe of Edmonton is just wrong. It’s like it’s stuck in the 80s. I actually saw a woman with a mullet. I thought Calgary was bad for box stores – Edmonton has the box store honed to a fine art. Who needs landscaping when you can sport a giant parking lot?

If I could move anywhere, I’d move to Vancouver or Victoria – they are by far the prettiest cities in Canada with a great social/arts scene. I am not a big fan of Toronto – I found it to be horribly unfriendly and somewhat snobbish, but admittedly I was only there for a week and was attending a classical guitar conference with my fiance (my fiance is the guitar player – I was bored out of my mind, but the classical guitar crowd here in Calgary are just as obnoxious). Plus my experience on the subway was a little terrifying (some dude was arguing with his own reflection, like Gollum from Lord of the Rings. LOL!). 

Though I never really warmed up to Toronto (I’m sure I would given enough time to pursue things I’m interested in – the service in restaurants was always outstanding and ), I’d live there in a heartbeat over Edmonton. It took me years to learn to like Calgary (only after the recent flood and seeing how people pulled together to help one another have I really gotten to love it) and become accustomed to the rampant conservatism here (being a liberal-minded, pro-science, free-thinking atheist vegetarian environmentalist in Alberta is a dangerous thing to be unless you’re smart enough to hide it. LOL!). I used to think Calgary was the worst city in Canada until I visited Edmonton. The people were unfriendly (even when we didn’t tell them we lived in Calgary! LOL!), the drivers were obnoxious and it oozes conservatism and red-neckery. My fiance asked me if I wanted to see some landmark downtown, and I said, “Nope! I’ve seen enough of this fucking place! Get me the HELL out of here!” 

If I could live anywhere in Canada, I would choose Vancouver or Victoria (earthquakes be damned!) for their great arts scene, weather and natural beauty, but you couldn’t pay me enough to live in Edmonton. That city oozes obnoxiousness, new money and conservatism, and though I have wonderful friends that live there, I just can’t take the vibe of that city. Calgary might be a workaholic’s wet dream, and Calgary might be left wanting in terms of arts and culture, but I’d rather live here than in Edmonton, because at least Calgary is trying to move forward (and we have the best mayor in Canada in my opinion). It’s a shame, I expected Edmonton to be a more liberal and artsy city – instead, its landscape is blighted by box stores, jacked-up trucks and a downtown core that looks like it’s seen its peak in 1986. No thanks.


“I agree with everything you said, Ben – except I think you held back a bit. LMAO!


 “Edmonton: The city of bullshit slogans made up to make you feel like a winner.

I lived there from 06 – 10. Hated living there. The funniest thing about these guys who defend the negative points about the city with as much insult and sarcasm as they can, is that they just say the same old tired things, over and over again; parrotting someone else. “F you, lotsa people moving here” “F you, if you don’t like it, why’d you move here?” “F you, our trucks are driven by real men, F your city, faggot”. 

The good points though, the cost of living was great while I was there. The employment was good and the wages were great.

The bad points though, were all that you mention but the biggest one for me, was the open prejudice I found from people there. I took a security gig and I couldn’t believe just how much people actually think that rumors about a job a person does, are true and worse, how it somehow gives them permission to attack a peron’s character by calling that person names, yell at them from accross the street and (believe it or not) trying to run them off the road. I had gotten so many “fuck you” smiles from people (you know when people you don’t know give you a shit eating grin? That’s the fuck you smile) while I was living there. What, just for doing a job to put food on my table? I was even at Mucho Burrito at 100 ave and 109 st (the Save on Foods plaza) and the guy serving the food behind the counter, starts trash talking the security guard who was there, IN the store, talking to someone, with the customer. 

If I was a Star Wars Jedi master, I’d use the force to pick the Rexall center up and then roll it right down Whyte Avenue on a busy Friday night, when all the “Get a trade get laid get paid” douchebags are at the bars. That would solve 90 percent of that city’s problems. 

It’s going to take the city more than riding on the coat tails of hockey, having a transit system that shuts down before midnight, a badass radio station with a stupid slogan like “The station with NO RULES” when they have to follow CRTC regulations and labour laws (what a stupid slogan), the highest murder rate per capita, shitty air quality from the oil sands, and people coming up with poor arguments for defending their city than that, in order to be taken seriously as a city at all.


“Back in Australia now for 2 years and thankfully Edmonton is becoming a distant memory. Its too bad that we will have to return to visit friends and family. Thats not the bad part, its just having to go back to a place that i hate. There was one good thing about living Edmonton for 3 years and that was realising what i had back in Australia was better and that my life didn’t have to be surrounded by heavy industry and shopping malls. I understand that for whatever reason some people love Edmonton, but what i didn’t understand was those people who hate Edmonton, but still choose to live there. There is a lot of them. Its those are the people who need to think outside the box and try something different. It will leave more room for those who actually want to be there. I could never live in a place all my life that i didn’t like. Thats like going to a job that you hate, everyday for the rest of your life. Now that would suck.


“I have lived in Edmonton way too long. I absolutely hate it here and I am currently trying to get the hell out. My reasons?

1. Cops don’t work anymore they let photo radar do the work. You know that obnoxious truck culture you mentioned? Well you should see it now. No demerits for anything just monthly “bills” in the mail that they pay for speeding and it shows. No one does the speed limit anymore and everyone rides your bumper (I have had people actually try to force me off the road). The city police go to the press once a year and say “We don’t know why folks are speeding but we’re gonna crack down on the bad ones”…and then things stay the same. 

I had some friends here for two weeks from another country and they asked me where the police were. All they saw was dangerous drivers and no cops at all. Not one….ever. There were people going down my street one night with bats and axes smashing vehicles. I called 911 and they arrived….three hours later. They let me know there was no one out there and I should not waste their time. 

2. They really did leave the word “planning” out of planning and development. Nothing makes any sense. They build a ring road but use the wrong type of material so they have to tear it up and re-pave. I know someone who walked away from the project because of the constant mistakes. Exits being built backwards so they need to be torn down and re-built (to the tune of a cool million) or they are attached to other roads but not the roads that needed the access. And lets not forget the roads. They cut 2/3 of their road budget for two years and let the roads fall apart. Now there are potholes all over the city that will destroy your vehicle. It’s like a non stop obstacle course. They are filling them with cheap fill, but they are all re-opening again. 

3. Dumb redneck mentality. I’ve seen intelligent people move here and just start acting beer guzzling stupid. I don’t know if it’s something in the water but it seems to be spreading. This probably leads to the truck and balls scenario you mentioned. It hurts my brain being here.

4. Hey lets put our city in debt and ignore the infrastructure so that we can build an arena for hawkee…and lets give all the profits from the area to the oilers owner…and the parking…and not allow other places to hold events to compete. Brilliant….must be the water. 

5. Lack of identity. I spent a few weeks in Calgary this year. Much better than Edmonton and they seem to know where they are going and how they plan to get there. It’s not oil and gas crazy and it really seems to be coming into it’s own. Did I mention I saw police working when I was down there? And it’s clean… 

6. Dirty. Edmonton is a damn dirty disgusting city. It’s river stinks (take a ride on the glorious river boat to get a good up close whiff), the roads are always filthy. It’s buildings are brown….I’m sure they weren’t always that way. Everything that opens here glorious and new is eventually run down an fugly with filth. 

7. Angry people. Everyone here is pissed off…all the time. I came back from the northern states where everyone was warm and friendly and the first thing I witnessed getting back into Alberta was a guy cutting off another guy at a gas pump, getting out of his MANTRUCK and yelling at the old man “you took my goddamn pump”. Welcome home to Alberta were everyone makes a lot of money, is over-entitled and is pissed off. I find myself getting angry being here. Time to move on.”


“Hey Robby, I agree with # 7 of your comment. Everyone does look angry here. I`ve seen better smiles from the cracks of peoples asses. 


“how can you feel special about something anyone in the world can access? You dont even have to move to Alberta to get a job, companies just fly you out there because no one in their right mind wants to live around so many raging morons.

Ft, Mac full of non Albertans because they can actually work and not whine about it.

It must just drive you NUTS the immigrants come and “steal your jobs” right? lol

Just because resource extraction companies haven’t set up shop ALL ACROSS Canada doesn’t mean their isn’t extractable resources all over the place. Your province just happens to be be guinea pig number one. Then its off to Saskatchewan.


 “There is no “burbs” really…. The entire civic layout of the city is a total nightmare. Be prepared to put THOUSANDS of kilometers on your vehicles. Also be prepared to buy a $400 000 vinyl sided nightmare of a house.

If you like being inside basically all year round, and dont mind paying $600 000 for a house (after you add in mortgage interest, not to mention property tax :)) for a plain, over-sized, over priced house with no backyard or privacy, in a community of people who are xenophobic, egomaniacs who place every aspect of their own self-worth on how much they can accumulate within their lifetimes, then you will be in heaven. 

Also if you don’t mind living in a 1 000 000 000 man work camp(thats what edmonton basically is), with terrible weather all year round, none of the communities being walkable, no parks except the river valley. You will notice massive urban sprawl with a rapid transit system that goes to low traffic/no usefull areas of the city. 

If someone asked me to describe the most nightmarish city I could come up with, it would basically be a carbon copy of edmonton.

If your a redneck and love guns, driving for MILES (cause driving on pot-hole riddled roads, with angry, sociopathic drivers is FUN for some weirdos), LOVE spending all year round INSIDE, want to spend FAR MORE MONEY on things than you would in NORMAL parts of the world, and pretend your getting what your paying for, and generally like to live in a dream-like, delusional state, then its probably and OK place to live for you.


“O YA, not to mention no culture, the “festivals” are watered down versions of REAL festivals elsewhere. They only throw SO MANY festivals at you in edmononton, just for the sake of being able to say “we have more than anyone”, it just plays into the perpetual inferiority complex the majority of the people embrace..

ALSO you have the morons that WORK in edmonton, but live in places surrounding edmonton (because edmonton sucks according to even the locals) like fort saskatchewan, spruce grove, st albert, sherwood park, leduc, nisku, which creates NIGHTMARISH COMMUTES.. They dont even treat these roads like the highways they should be treated as.. so much traffic, little to no dual lanes and NO LIGHTS AT NIGHT… 

I really cant believe a place like edmonton exists in the civilized world… it just seems so tremendously backwards, in ever sense of the word.. as do the peoples thought and behavior patterns..

not to mention the “no zero policy” encouraged in schools, so you have generation after generation of idiots with attitudes running around…

its like living in a out-patient insane asylum..



Horrible winters
Terrible sprawl
Drunken idiots everywhere
Looks like the moon in winter
Feels like Hamilton
In the middle of nowhere
No identity
No culture
No thanks!!!!


 “this morning, not having been awake for 20 mins, nor outside for more than 10 mins. i hope in my car and pull out down the alley.. i have this idiot from deadmonton on her bike riding on the sidewalk no less, stop on her bike in front of my car and give me a dirty look and swore at me for my bumper being slightly in the sidewalk as i was awaiting to pull out in traffic..

everyday is like this.. just more idiots who get in your face.. im so sick of the fucking morons here..people just dont even know how to “be” they are so inept.. 

so basically i have an idiot riding her bike on the sidewalk who feels so self important she needs to stop and point out to me that my bumper is in the sidewalk. any normal person could mitigate this by either walking behind the vehicle or by slightly offsetting their path…

deadmontonians = seldom right but never in doubt..


 “Having lived in Edmonton for 5 years and recently escaped to the West Coast, I totally agree with most everything you say. One error to correct: The Ranch went out of business a year or so ago. It was replaced by a restaurant “the beer market” I think it is called. I only know this because we lived in Old Strathcona. That would be my other response. If you are liberal and live in Edmonton, Old Strathcona is the place to go and is a great place to live – the cultural center of the city.


“Came to Edmonton about a year ago. Although I found some nice things here and it is much better in the summer, I agree with 95% of the negative points that were mentioned here.

Nice to read that others had a similar impression of the city. Feels good to know that you are not the only one.


“Edmonton was not named the city of champions because of hockey but because of black friday and what people went throughthat horrible day do your research moron…

I agree with the bad city planning point it is pretty bad..not much to do in Ed and West Ed does get boring after going there a hundred times over since its the only thing to do next to bar hopping.


“I’m originally from Toronto (I lived there almost 30 years). I then lived in Windsor, Ontario (and worked in Detroit) four years before moving to Edmonton. I tried hard to enjoy Edmonton, however during my four years there the only thing that really struck me as special was the Fort. Edmonton is not a city; it’s a big town. It possesses the drawbacks of a large city (sprawl, traffic, crime) with very few of the benefits (culture, entertainment). Likewise it lacks the charm of a small town, but it’s not short on boredom. While the river valley is nice, it pales in comparison to the Rouge River in TO (the world’s largest urban nature reserve) and falls short of TO in terms of bike and walking trails. The festivals are nice, however there are far fewer of them then I would expect for a town of this size. I found that there was so much more to eat, do, and see in Windsor (a town less than ¼ the size). I’ve travelled extensively throughout Canada and I was really surprized by (in a bad way) by Edmonton.

I am surprized you didn’t mention crime. The murder rate in Edmonton tops that of Metropoloitan Toronto (a city nearly five times the size). While I lived there I witnessed muggings, was offered drugs several times, had my car broken into three times – my girlfriend had her car stolen twice (both times it was used as a getaway car in a robbery). I felt safer in Detroit.

Of course it all depends on your living conditions. In Edmonton I was a poor graduate student living a rough neighbourhood. Today I’m a College Prof working in Fort McMurray. I quite like Fort McMurray! I wouldn’t mind leaving but I’m tied to my mortgage – a 40 year old attached home that only cost a half million ;). In any case, I like the people I work with and I have almost nothing to do (directly) with the oil sands. I think part of the reason I like this town is that only 50% of the inhabitants are Albertans; which gives the town a surprizing multicultural feel (Edmonton always struck me as the whitest city on earth). 

Anyway, everyone has their own perspective…but I certainly have no intension of returning to Edmonton (it pains me just to visit). Incidentally, the tumbleweeds are released downtown and roll through the streets promptly at 8:00pm.


 “I’ve only been here 8 months and I’m already depressed and anxious to go home. Driving to work is a nightmare, customer service is terrible, and there’s no privacy. While I have met some nice people, the vast majority of my experience has been negative. I lived in Calgary, Jacksonville FL, North Carolina, and Anchorage and this city is by far the rudest. I compare it to the hicks of Kentucky, actually. I’ve seen women beaten in the streets, children being abused, road rage that involved the entire road! I can’t read minds, PLEASE SIGNAL BEFORE YOU CUT ME OFF! I’m sure Edmontonians will be more than happy to say goodbye if I leave…and I will feel the same way. I can’t WAIT until I can say ‘GOOD RIDDANCE ALBERTA’


No do not leave. You are truly giving them a reality check, for the real life of what it is like living in Edmonton.


Edmonton poisons you. Get out before it changes you negatively.


“Ive lived in my fair share of cites/towns across Canada, even Toronto. No place has left a more bitter taste in my mouth that Edmonton.

Ive found the people to be pretty well off the handle. Ive really never met so many people with psychological/behavioral/emotional problems. No one seems to have any coping skills outside of “gettin fu**in hammered” or cocaine or meth or all three. So many angry, aggressive people. Xenophobia is encouraged. So many internal divisions.. Everyone seems to hate everything, all the time.. 

Hate towards other provinces, hate towards other races hate towards what side of the city you live on, have towards you if your not from Edmonton. It just goes on and on..And so many people with so much ego and attitude that is un-substantiated.. 

So much community disconnect, its like living in a twisted version of high school all over again except with adults with the mentalities of teenagers.. 

Ive had so many negative experiences in Edmonton I have stopped counting.. From going to the bank, to driving , to walking to work in the mornings, to getting food poisoned, fired from jobs with no notice, land lords not returning security deposits, the list goes on and on and on.


“You pretty well, explained what living in Edmonton is all about. I agree that Edmonton is a VERY negative city to be living in. I can say this, because I have been living in Edmonton, for thirty LOOOONNNNNNNGGGGGGGG YAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNN years.


“When thinking of Edmonton hubris comes to mind, and it does not matter if the people are blue collar or white collar. Either been nowhere and know everything, or been a few places and still know everything.

Indeed Edmonton is located in the middle of nowhere and this is reflected in the fact for most international flights one has to feed through Calgary or Vancouver.

The essence of Edmonton, often referred to as Deadmonton, is a very large Fort McMurray, hardly cosmopolitan and very dull on every level; mediocre. 

Now there is talk of a new taxpayer funded hockey arena and the surrounding district (about a billion dollars) that somehow this is going to miraculously revitalise an entire city, especially the downtown “world class”. Some writer/moron even compared it to the Guggenheim Bilbao. People from all over the globe would be making pilgrimage to see the sacred arena district, where all would be overcome and have some sort of hockey and cultural epiphany . . . I nearly pissed myself. 

On the other hand this is pathetic . . . “Build it and they will come”.


 “I’m from Edmonton and I must say this city is really fucking shitty. Everything about it sucks, the weather sucks, the architecture sucks, the night life sucks, the food selection sucks, ed hardy sucks, ppl who wear ed hardy sucks, how most guys in edmonton think theyre gangster sucks, rich kids who come from good families think theyre gangsters sucks, girls who think theyre from hollywood and try to live their life like its an mtv show sucks, how everyone loves to talk shit and act like their shit dont stink sucks, ppl who think listening to rap music makes them hard sucks (rappers are entertainers, theyre the same as justin bieber cept they swear more. They dont move drugs and they dont care what happens to your life, they just want that $15 of yours), guys who take steroids sucks, the city council sucks, guys who act tough and only fight when they outnumber ppl but speak the “no beef” when theyre outnumbered sucks, random stabbings sucks, innocent civilians getting attacked/mugged sucks, the bounce sucks, wannabe rappers sucks, snow removal system sucks, smoking crack sucks, the scenery sucks, how walking at night is not safe sucks, ppl who make decisions based on what a rapper or scarface would do sucks, idolizing scarface sucks (shits a movie not real, the real scarface died of syphilis)

I’ve had it with this city. I left a couple years ago to travel around the world then came back to find this city become even more of a dump. Ya Edmontonians will defend the city but most likely they havent been outside of alberta and see what other cities have to offer. People who cant distinguish rap /mtv/scarface and real life are pathetic. As for the city iself, it just doesnt have that spark, everything is so gloomy,plain, grey and cold.


 “Hello everyone. I have lived in Edmonton for 1 year and 9 months, and am looking forward to my move in 5 days. I have travelled extensively throughout Canada and the USA, and lived in many places incl. Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver, Winnipeg, Calgary, USA and Europe. I came here for work and while here made a great effort to explore Edmonton and surrounding areas. I have been to all the festivals, partied with the rednecks,explored Ukranian heritage, dined in the ethnic restaurants, shopped at the farmers markets, seen all the malls, hiked the river valley, visited small towns and lakes, made friends with educated people and oil workers, locals and foreigners alike. I tried hard to find something about Edmonton to love enough for me to stay but despite all of my exploration and experiences here I have found Edmonton to be lackluster and void of personality and charm. Most cities have a vibe or an energy but Edmonton doesn’t have it, and if it does…it’s so dull you barely feel it.

One thing that really bothered me about this city is the lack of walking communities and connectedness from one community to another. Also, living in Edmonton feels like living in the middle of nowhere. I put a lot of miles on my car and having said that, I will end with a positive note-this province does have good gas prices. 🙂


 “Oh my, its like you read my mind and put all my thoughts of Edmonton, down on paper for me.

I am originally from London, UK but previously lived in Sydney, Australia. I was very disapointed when i arrived in Edmonton. I have been here for nearly two years and have hated most of my time here. The people are nice but the city is shit. I have nothing nice to say about the place and i can’t wait to be on my way again. We are just waiting to for my husbands visa to be approved an then we will be back to Sydney, where the transport is great, there are no box stores, chain restaurants, where the industrial areas are kept to one part of the city (on the outskirts) a place people are proud off living and there is more than a giant mall to visit. Edmonton is a terrible city to live in and will only seems get worse. I can’t wait to get the f%ck out of here.


“I’ve lived in Edmonton for 26 years and agree with almost everything you have to say. For all of the individuals on this website that claim to be a proud citizen you are actually proving many of Ben’s points. Canada is a “freedom of speech” country and he can speak his mind all he wants therefor put your testicles back in your pants and leave them off of your trucks! City of what? Losers and want-to-be Eminem fags.


“I’ve had the great fortune to live in 3 major cities, and 2 different countries in my lifetime. Edmonton is by far the worst. The sad thing is, it could be one of the best. What makes it suck is, like I mentioned earlier, it is full of douchebags (as we’ve seen direct evidence of, by their postings). I think I have only seen 1 person defend this city, with any intelligent arguments.

Teh problem with Edmonton, is that it is full of jobs that require no education, so that is exactly what you get…..a bunch of poorly educated fuckwits, who have no concept of anything outside of themselves and the oilers. If you mention anything outside of their world perception (which lets face it, is nearly everything) you get called a fag (because this is the worst thing in the world apparently).

Edmonton is full of people who have no critical thinking skills, and therefore believe whatever rag media they subscribe to, tells them. They question nothing, and the ones who do are shouted down by the morons who believe the rhetoric by someone who shouts louder.

It’s really like a small sister marryin’ town that grew into a city.

Like I said, it’s sad because it really has the potential to be great, if only someone with any kind of forethought was here to implement it. Unfortunately, as long as the dregs have any sway, we’ll always be a cesspit.


“Wow this comment just adds another point to the original post. Think that the life in AB represents the world. Narrow-minded Albertans.. I also live in Edmonton for a quite awhile looking for an opportunity to get the hell out. Ppl from all the small farm towns can form their own utopia that doesn’t even function thinking that Edmonton is the best place on earth…. Hahaha what a joke…


“I grew up in a developing country and been on 3 continents. Edmonton is THE WORST major city I’ve ever been in! By far! Agree with everything you said. In every country, and in every major city, you have problems. But these problems are compensated by positives. Edmonton doesn’t have any. Conservative people, disgusting looking city and infrastructure and awful ass backward everything. The whole province is like a post apocalyptic wasteland that’s trying its best to re-develop after discovering the cure to whatever caused the apocalypse. It’s like they know that they need to re-build after the doom that caused the city to go to waste, but they have no idea how.


“Get the fuck out of Edmonton. Totally mismanaged bullshit. Edmonton raping the economy and it’s residence.


“This city is a shithole


“Biggest shithole in Canada


“Edmonton is terrible the people are so rude and are all jerks not to mention the Edmonton public school system is a fucking joke


“My name is also Ben. I have lived in Edmonton for a few years now. I’m originally from Ontario. I don’t agree with most of what you listed. I believe Edmonton is a GORGEOUS town with so many AMAZING THINGS to see and do. It is, HOWEVER, populated primarily by the biggest pieces of redneck, right-wing, racist, sexist, cheap, white, middle-aged, male shit. And they all drive giant, spotless, $100,000 trucks, bitch like children about carbon taxes and blame Rachel Notley for the weather. I don’t feel safe letting my family drive on the same roads as these selfish, careless, NEVER signalling morons who will HAPPILY run anyone off the road. It’s really that bad. Just spend 30 seconds on the Whitemud or try one of the roundabouts in the city. Not signaling on a multi-lane roundabout at rush hour is something that idiots and psychopaths do. Edmonton’s got those in spades. Rant over. EDMONTON IS A BEAUTIFUL PLACE IT JUST ALSO HAPPENS TO BE FULL OF THE BIGGEST ASSHOLES IN CANADA. I’m moving to BC as soon as possible. Seriously if God’s going to smite a town, it’ll be this one.


“Edmonton is shit. A poor excuse for a city. I moved here 5 years ago and the past years have been the most difficult of my life. Every winter I feel like blowing my brains out, but I don’t want my parents to know that I died in a shithole Alberta city called Edmonton. They would never forgive me. The people here are dumb and oblivious. If there was ever a modern equivalent to Plato’s cave, Edmonton would be it. Life is too short to suffer in Edmonton. I am so happy I’m leaving. Fuck this place.

I just don’t understand how people say they work 10 or 12 hour days like it’s something to be proud of all the while the city still looks like shit and projects are still behind. LRT metro line to nait is a ….trainwreck, and the walterdale bridge is delayed, again. Let’s put a pile of silver balls by a freeway so people can marvel at the wonders of our city and call it art.

“man every time I see a cyclist by the road I just want to run it over with my truck” – overheard at school.

“I was in millwoods the other day. Holy fuck, its fucking pakistan out there. People were looking at me like wtf. I’m glad I live in Spruce Grove” – my foreman.

Take a risk, it’s the most Edmonton thing you can do.


“I lived here for 2 years now. I am a person who makes his own mind up about things. If others are saying shit about someone or a place I would like to experience it myself before I make my mind up about it. From what I’ve experienced. What is said in this forum is true. People, you are not alone with your thoughts about this place.

and Trevor from Millwoods your comment

“The thing about Edmonton is we’re not trying to compare ourselves to Toronto or Vancouver, Montreal, Halifax, Winnipeg Edmonton is just Edmonton and that’s it we barely feel like we’re are part of Canada at the best of times so when you bash us it just reaffirms it and we’ve learned to embrace it because if people out east hate us we must be doing something right”

maybe you don’t feel like you’re apart of Canada because people here don’t act like Canadians. You act like Spoiled Teenagers who think they’re better than everybody else.

PS, when all you could say about a City is Work(school), Drink and going to a Mall, you know your city is just a bunch of Teenagers.


“Yup, the douchebag population of Edmonton is still high.

Doesn’t change the fact that the people in your city are a bunch of xenophobic, knuckle dragging assholes.

“Get a trade, get laid, get paid, dude! Oh yeah and if some dude’s by himself and he’s dressed better than someone not wearing an Edmonton Oiler’s hockey jersey, then it means they’re a total faggot”.

That’s the mantra that comes out of most of the dumb asses in your city.

Bored in Edmonton? Well just go down to Whyte Ave or the Oil City roadhouse and start a fight with a cop, just for kicks. No cops available? No problem, just fuck with any security guard you want.

The city’s nice and easy to get around in and the rent was amazing but you guys have some serious rat and vermin problems, aka: the people who live there mixed in with the city being the murder capital of Canada.


Plus it takes ten blizzards before your crews even crawl out of bed to plough the streets in winter.


“theres only two types of weather in Edmonton eather really cold or really hot


“Edmonton is Alberta’s shitty asshole


“10 years later and nothings really changed. Edmonton is still lame.

I’ve been here 7 1/2 long years. The money of course, compared to cost of living back home in Toronto.

About 4-5 years ago I saw potential in Edmonton and thought it could be a great city maybe in the next ten years. Nope. It’s a little better due to a hockey arena and more LRT. but it’s still boring. People are still dicks. And I will gladly be leaving this place finally within the year.

Edmonton is nice if you like the quiet boring life. I’ll admit that. It more for the folly, farmers market, cross country skiing type people. I find that stuff dull as hell so definitely not for me. But if you’re that wait than sure, it’s a good place. Or meeting up in the Canadian tire parking lot with your pickup truck buds.Something that’s also very Edmonton.

I’ll be out of here soon enough. All the best Edmonton.


Yukon (not gold)

As we travel across Canada, we round off the third northern territory: Yukon. Regarding this sad little place:

“Most of Yukon has a sub-arctic continental climate with a longer winter and shorter summer compared to most southern provinces. Temperature across Yukon communities varies according to their geographic locations.”

In most communities the daily low temperature in January is -30 C. 

It has one city (the capital Whitehorse) and seven communities. Total population: just under 38,000.

The average yearly income is $52,000. The median income after taxes-paid is $40,000.

All of this being noted, you’d rightly assume that the cost of living should be within reason for its location and scant resources, not to mention limited employment. But this is Canada, so think again!

In 2018 the average sale price on a single-detached home in Whitehorse was nearly half a million ($475,000). The average rental price has stayed at over or around $1000/month the past several years.

The biggest employer is ‘public administration’ at 30%, followed by “trade” at just under 15%. (Clearly a sizzling hot employment market to pay off your half-million dollar home!)

What’s not to love? Expensive homes, arctic temperatures, low population and slim opportunities … let’s throw in crime! Yukon had the third highest crime level in Canada (2017) for yet another year.

So far the Yukon sounds typical of Canada, albeit a miniature version – is there anything else to add?

Whitehorse hosts a “Frostbite Music Festival” in February (don’t cringe too hard). It has the world’s largest windvane and the closest nearby city is Edmonton. Sound inviting? I didn’t think so. Why don’t we try caker tourism promo instead:

“Close your eyes now and breathe in crisp Yukon air. Smell spruce sap and the earthy scent of tundra, and listen for the excited howls of husky sled dogs. Open your eyes and drink in Yukon landscapes under dancing aurora borealis. Canoe a Yukon river and dip your hands into the clearest water you’ve ever seen. A vacation in Canada’s Yukon is a larger than life experience. Stay awhile—you won’t want to leave.”


Some “high points” might be the northern lights or dog sledding, but these are things that can be experienced in Alaska, Nordic countries or Russia. Why spend the money on a third rate corner of the caker kingdom? Ninety-nine percent of cakers can’t be bothered to visit, I’m not sure why anyone outside the country would either.

Anything caker promotion left out? The territory is mostly white, a quarter of its population are Aboriginals. Almost 40% of Aboriginal people don’t have a high school education. A third of single-parent families earn below $30,000 (mostly women).

Due to the small population critical resources to treat battered women, mental health issues, and addictions are underrepresented, leaving people to struggle in poverty and violence virtually alone.

Only 58% of Yukon residents have a high school diploma.

There’s a critical lack of doctors, psychiatrists and other needed healthcare practitioners.

Food insecurity is an ongoing issue; there are two food banks in the entire territory. According to one:

The Whitehorse Food Bank is a community-based organization that provides emergency food to people in need. We provide emergency food hampers to 1300 people a month.

Poverty? Check. Limited employment? Check. Unaffordable housing? Check. Awful winters? Check. Fairly uneducated population with scarce prospects? Check. Forced to learn French? Check.

Well, we’ve just simultaneously summed up the Yukon and caker kingdom.

O Canada!

Nunavut (we descend deeper into hell)

The caker kingdom … it just gets better and better doesn’t it? You thought the prairies were a shithole (you were right) so it’s no surprise that Saskatchewan had the most klan members, or that Manitoba is a racist, barren dump that’s regularly mocked in American films. You thought the Northwest Territories was a frozen abomination: the culmination of incompetence, indifference and the arctic – but now we do one better: Nunavut.

Nunavut has the distinction of being the “newest, largest, northernmost, and least populous territory of Canada.” Sounds fun.

Just when you think it couldn’t get worse, wait. Nunavut has the privilege of being right in the center of hell: it’s bordered by the Northwest Territories, cornered by Saskatchewan, and right beneath lies Manitoba. (Truly cursed!)

Most of the territory is in a polar climate and averages -30 Celsius in winter. Its population is just slightly over 37,000.

And if you’ve read the post on the NWT you’ll remember this bit: “Statistics Canada does not collect or compile data directly measuring poverty in Nunavut …”

Because hey, who needs to compile statistical data for the federal government in its own country? Data leads to information and provable facts, that in turn would require action and common sense, not allowed in the caker kingdom! So what other fun facts do we learn from a 2015 report?

 – lower life expectancy than the rest of Canada

– high school graduation rate is 54%

– approx 58% are living in public housing

– at least 41% are on welfare  (up by 1% from ten years ago)

– 45% or more are “food insecure”  (up to 70% for Inuits)

– the suicide rate is 10x the Canadian average 

-unemployment rate is 17% (as high as 56% in some communities

(This information was compiled by a non-profit.)

Note: The next report released said virtually all the same things, so I’ve left the original info.

Food prices are insane due to the expense of importing them up north. An article from 2014 referenced this:

“…$12 boxes of Rice Krispies and $9 bottles of ketchup …

The outing is an exercise in sticker shock. In the meat fridge, two rib-eye steaks cost $26. Frozen chicken nuggets are nearly $23. The fresh strawberries are just $5, but five ear of corn are $8. Ms. Papatsie stops at the fridge lined with Tropicana orange juice, at $11.99 a pop.

… Onion prices were 233 per cent higher; bananas, 155 per cent higher. Flour is only partly subsidized through the program, though it’s a staple in traditional Inuit food like bannock; a 5-kilo bag was selling at the NorthMart for $25.”

Some families pay up to $600/week for food. The prices are ridiculous for other services as well:

“Heating and lighting costs more in Nunavut than anywhere else in Canada. In Toronto, commercial electricity rates range between 8.3 to 12.9 cents/kWh. In Iqaluit (which has the lowest rates in the territory) they are a staggering 43.42 cents/kWh.”

In 2013, forty-five unfortunate souls took their own lives. Who could blame them in such a place as this? And more to the point, which of us wouldn’t if forced to live there for a lifetime? At least by 2017 that had somehow gone down to twenty-five.

Some other recent new stories regarding Nunavut:

  • Lousy health services so bad that child deaths aren’t even investigated.
  • A shitty, greedy, failing airline that people have no alternative but to use.
  • Since the child mortality rate is the highest in Canada they’ve had to start giving out baby boxes filled with supplies and doubling as a bed (a smart idea, which naturally the cakers didn’t come up with on their own, but copied Finland).
  • A social work system so incompetent that 40 foster children have been stranded without social workers for eight months in Ottawa, living in group homes.
  • Unsurprisingly, a shit prison “condemned by everyone from judges and lawyers to Canada’s auditor general and the federal Office of the Correctional Investigator.” (Now needing to be overhauled.)
  • A rushed vaccination program after the largest whooping cough breakout on record.

It just goes on and on. And like the Northwest territories, there are no political parties as Nunavut runs on a “consensus-based government.” Eighty-three percent of the population is Inuit, which means tiptoeing through politically-correct jargon, having ‘inclusive’ meetings and studies, but not actually accomplishing anything concrete.

How did this mess start? With colonials taking over Canada who then proceeded to ignore the Inuit before forcing “relocation” on them, after destroying their culture and way of life. Instead of using their ‘traditional’ names the government gave them small discs with numbers, meant to be worn to designate which “number” was which in the community. In 1939, the federal government took over “responsibility” for the Inuit (who are not under the same Indian Act as Aboriginals) and now the cakers are attempting damage control after the situation has spiraled to terrible depths.

The Inuit assert they were forcibly moved in order for Canada to claim sovereignty over certain Arctic territory, by having its “citizens” residing there. This act made Canadian claims more ‘legitimate’ than those of the U.S. or Russia. (Knowing cakers, this is completely believable.) After leaving them with almost nothing in -51 C temperatures, the government insisted they be “self reliant”.

In 1996:

“When Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development Ron Irwin signed a compensation deal with Inuit survivors that same year, he flatly refused to apologize for what he called the actions of civil servants who organized the relocations.

“It’s hard to go back 50 years and say who was right,” said Irwin, a minister in former Liberal Prime Minister Jean Chrétien’s government. “I can’t assess their motives.”

Denying any blame for the relocation of 17 families from Inukjuak and Pond Inlet, Ottawa agreed to set up a $10 million fund, called the Arctic Exile Relocatee Trust, in exchange for the Inuit giving up any right to sue for more.”

After being forcibly relocated, left with next to nothing, and spending decades/generations suffering (due to actions by the federal government that wanted the land) the Inuit people are understandably in dire straights and unable to resolve all the issues themselves.

We can trust the cakers to make everything right, can’t we? I mean they’re doing a swell job of it!

The takeaway:

Nunavut is a cold, desolate arctic hell hole run by incompetents, where people would rather kill themselves than continue residing in. It may well hold the title for worst place in Canada (which is really saying something). Shamefully, it doesn’t look to be turning around any time soon.

O Canada!

Update: nothing changes. Come back and check this blog post in 5 years for more of the same.

Thunder Bay: Rants

“We are a small family possibly moving to TB. What areas should we avoid when renting or buying a house? What areas would you recommend? Thanks


“the entire city


Don’t move here all you are going to find are little darlins with snake-like wet skin that drink ethanol from morning til dusk trying to dream the real dream which was robbed of them during the pretend treaty making process. The other thing you will find are the reptiles called the old town wondering around without leashes crapping on everyone and everything that has two ears. Right now the crappers are up in apartment 1, 14 Regent St. Thunder Bay, Ontario atempting to kill or maim psychologically or physically the three good Indians living below them, so turn around and stay in Saskatoon unless you are one of them crappers.


“One piece of advice: don’t move here.


“I moved out in ’94 after 34 years…

DO NOT spend a load of money on house….DICKER!!….I know SK is hot right now….don’t put your SK money into a TB house….TB is the only ON city that has a declining population.. 
TB realtors are living in the 80s…..they play the same ol’ game…just like the pirate car dealers there…do not be fooled by them!! 
I am better in the S.Ward…..stay out of the east end…downtown core….Westfort….parts of Northward (ugh)….Green Acres is good…Victoria Park is good (Chestnut, Walnut)…Riverview is nice….new developments in the country are nice… 
In TB is see a scary trend…..VACANT homes for sale….not a stick of furniture….maybe in 20% of the homes I have seen….AND I CHECK LOTS!!! 
My home in TB sold for 187,500 in late ’94…worth 175 now….my QC home went from 155K to almost 300K (down now along with everyone else’s but not that much) 
TB has a load of good things about it….good luck…have a Sally Ann on me…


Thunder bay sucks unless your retired or native. There is nothing to do and everyone knows everything about eachother since its such a small city. Theres no places to party and everyones right pyscho and whore.. and everyone thinks they can be models here but lemme tell you thats not the case. SO i would say stay where you are.


“Do not move to this hell hole, also known as Blunder Bay. I have resided here for 42 years. The only time I thought it was a nice place to live was when I was young and naive. Limited employment, a high crime rate, a lack of anything substantial to do as well as the extremely high tax rate (2.5X that of Toronto, based on a homes assessed value) makes it an undesirable place to live. The jokers in City Hall insist on wasting the tax payer’s money on expensive and mostly unnecessary projects. Redoing the marina (to make it smaller and less attractive) with a price tag of well over 100 million dollars, a new hospital (over budgeted – maybe double the price), planning a new, multi-million dollar events center (w/limited parking) which no one will use, so on and so forth. This is all passed on to the hard working tax payer’s of the city. When residents sign petitions or request plebiscites, we are laughed at and basically told to shut up. Never mind the lack of proper infrastructure upkeep. An improperly designed sewage treatment plant recently flooded homes/businesses and displaced 100’s of families. A class action lawsuit against the city is on the books now and if the residents win, guess who foots the bill! Don’t even think about going out for a leisurely walk, at any time, unless you’re in a large group or carry a weapon! Population wise, approximately 22% are bogies. They flock to Blunder Bay to drink, do drugs, rob, steal, assault, murder, all while never contributing to society. The only thing they are good at is breeding – produce kids like rabbits to live off the rich’s of the city. The only reason I’m still here is my transfer has not come through. I would gladly take a loss on my home and/or possessions to leave this cesspool. I could write a book! Do not take my word of it – do your own research and make it thorough. If you don’t and you choose to move here, you will likely regret it! Best of luck!


“the poster disapoitned is the reason we are taking over this town. if you are NATIVE then we welcome you here!!! whites keep off our land.


“lol Hardly taking over! Epic fail if you think you’re taking over as the jails are over crowded and there is more native on Native Crime. What was that in the last 5 days? Two Native Murders killed by two different Natives. As the Fort William Band is working hard in business working with the general population of Thunder Bay, You lil’ bastards are making them look bad!


“Thunder Bay really, really sucks. I moved there to work in a lab- most of the people that I worked with didn’t know the first thing about chemistry (seriously). Turns out they were all friends- and also back-stabbing, two-faced, lying, sabotaging, jerks. Avoid this place like the plague it is.


“Thunder Bay has gone down hill…all they do is spend money building when we have plaenty of vacant buildings which could use refurbishing.
Years ago when I was young and it was Port Arthur & Fort William it used to be real nice & safe..a cop on the beat all the time..they would get to know the people in their area..I loved it then..left so many times..why I came back..heaven only knows


“Thunder Bay is just a huge reserve now.
Come here, pop out a few FAS babies, live of the guv-mint titte.
Guess who pays?


 “Yea…STAY AWAY. This town is pathetic! Cold as f*ck, and the transit sucks.

Can’t walk 5 blocks without some skid asking for a smoke.
No jobs, useless cops, oxy-zombies everywhere and high rent costs…
I’m looking for a way out!


“You know what makes this city suck? All the racist b***ards, that’s why you shouldn’t move here. All I hear and read is f***ing Indian this, f***ing Indian that. I like to inform everyone that I’m native and probably have more education than most of you, I’ve worked with the homeless, the drunks, the drug addicts and do you know they funny thing, most were white. But I didn’t judge, I tried to help, I fed them I gave them clothes I helped them get into detox. Get off your racist a**es and help someone, we all bleed red and we all have problems, be f***ing human beings and stop the hating. Dumb a**es.


“Open your eyes. Go walk around May and Victoria for half an hour and see.

It’s not that we’re a bunch of racists who hate natives… It’s the fact that we have a high concentration of the worst elements of reserve life thriving and growing in our downtown cores. 
A person like you who is educated and native isn’t part of the problem.
It’s your 94 cousins all drinking lysol in the back alley and robbing Macs stores that’s the problem.  
If I got free schooling like you did, I’d take advantage too. I don’t know why more don’t do it.


 “Lived in T Bay for a few yrs. Glad I moved. It’s a gross city. It’s the Detroit of Canada. Honestly. Horrible drivers. Big city attitudes. People passing out drunk outside your bathroom window at 4 in the morning. True story. Constantly being asked for smokes. Crack heads everywhere. I don’t even like going there to visit.


“Yeah, you’re right, we are born a bunch of stinkin’ crackah racists.

Or perhaps this profiling is true 90% of the time? What do you think?
Was I born racist, or did I learn to be this way based on the FACTS?
Don’t want to hear about “f***ing Indians”?, it’s simple….
Stop them from acting like a Bogan. And yes, there are a lot of them.
Until then, I will continue to be racist, since it has done me well.


 “I would never suggest anyone move to Thunder Bay, place is a dump! Drunk natives walking around everywhere, ruining the city! And SOME Police Officers are just power tripping disrespectful pieces of crap who don’t deserve a badge, or they cheat on there wife, and ruin a family! Eh Bob or Robert N…?


“I live in tbay and it’s not a great place! I am currently going to lake head but may transfer out to somewhere else next year! The people generally are very backstabbing and think they are worth more than they are! Simply put its not a good place to invest. There is a lack of leadership in the city! It needs a change and I would advise to avoid at all costs!


“Thunder Bay is really bad now, it’s ok if you live in current river Thunder Bay North but avoid all other areas


“I believe you, as I have education BUT no one in TBay considers natives period. It is a racist town, and most addicts are white. Too proud to admit it, but love to put the minorities down them ghosts :P. I keep up with the news and more of these ghosts are being exposed on the news great job. Even for the simple jobs, how many natives you see employed? More immigrants migrating here taking jobs from the CaucASIANS, that’s good! I couldn’t even tell one white from the other because they all have the same face.


“DO NOT MOVE HERE for ANY reason.


“I agree never move here. Horrible town and power tripping police! Aint that right Mr. R Neill.. biggest arse on the force!

Natives drunk passed out all over the city. The youth here are such wanna be followers.




Thunder Bay is a horrible city. I live here and it sucks. The people are nasty small mined idiots. I hate, hate, hate Thunder BAy
BTW- I’ve lived ALL over the world, big cities and small. So my assessment of this city is just. It’s a racist (Aboriginal child having his hair chopped off-google it), homophobic (gay bashing google it) town. Stay a day or two, or just keep driving.


“I grew up in Southern Ontario, and travelled with the family across Canada —I have had some great experiences travelling and seeing this great country of ours. In July of 2007 I married my hubby who had taken a job in Thunder Bay. Lets just say in my time here in Thunder Bay I have hated 85% of my time here and count the days and weeks we have left in this city. I’ve never meet so many complainers in my life………people here blame everything on people from Toronto its hilarious. They complain that all they’re mills are shutting down and Toronto isn’t helping them, Even though you wonder if these places in T-Bay couldn’t stay with the times and come up with plans before the need for paper supplies deminished or realized how many people really are running to stores for snowmobiles, how many snowmobiles does this country need???? Wonder why everyone is losing jobs here, how about creating jobs that are up to date or invent some shit to make jobs??? Then the race war between Natives and “Whites” Its embarrassing (I’m actually Metis) and how the local Chronicle Journal posts hate letters from both sides in their Letters to the editor every week to fuel this race war….pathetic!! 

I will only look back in my experience living in this city as the city limits were beautiful with nature and the fishing was excellent and the neighbours I had were lovely but this City is living in the dark ages and they hate everyone outside of Thunder Bay and are a bunch of blamers, like I said this city is pathetic!


“Sure, Thunder bay is great if you work at the hospital, or are a schoolteacher with June July and August as your best reasons for becoming one. But the city sucks donkey balls. Private Industry is dead, except for the couple of construction companies the city continually feed. The town was cut up like an apple pie 50 years ago, and the reason no business comes here is because of the monopoly attitude. City Hall even LIED about the MILLIONS they BORROWED to fix up the old fogeys’ home, then did an abrupt about-face, gave the homes to the province, and took that BORROWED TAXPAYER MONEY and GAVE it to some favorite cronies. There’s a law called Criminal False Prospectus, but the local fraud cops are in the pocket of City Hall. 

Sure, the wilderness is nice, but don’t try to actually purchase a TINY piece for yourself because it’s simply not allowed. Besides, who likes being harrassed by the OPP and MNR when you’re out fishing?  

Yup. A great place for civil servants, their cronies and natives. Everyone else had best leave, ASAP, if you want some sort of future for yourself. Those are my plans, to sell out and split, but hey, did you know that you can’t even GIVE AWAY an amethyst mine around here?


 “Stuck in Thunder Bay – it was the city or my marriage (husband’s family is here). I think I may actually be clinically depressed. Thank God for Grand Marais, Duluth, Minneapolis, and our airport.


“Well, I spent the first 20 years of my life then moved away for school, and I gotta say, after seeing the entire country, and a good chunk of this wonderful planet we call home, I can honestly say that Thunder Bay blows. And I’m serious as can be. Unfortunately, my parents are still there so I am forced to make my way there once a year, and I dread my two weeks there. For all the people who defend this city, you’re obviously fallen of your rocker.

I laughed at the clean air comments….cuz the smell of shit coming from the paper mill on a hot summer day is all so pleasant…pleasant enough that when you go to Old Fort William trading post, you know the biggest tourist attraction of the city, you can smell the nice pleasant smell of rotting shit. And when was the last time you let your children swim in boulevard lake? And hey, do you dare to walk downtown port arthur at night? No. Or how about taking a nice stroll down May street or Simpson street, at any time of the day? No. Wait, wait, let’s all go to county park where it’s just a massive neighborhood of violent crimes, drugs and poverty. Hmm, that won’t work either. Should we make our way to the community auditiorium for a decent concert…oh shoot they don’t get any. Well, I guess we can always go check out all the neat little shops/boutiques/cafes/nice restaurants….uhh, what? Their aren’t any? My bad. Hey about naming one decent/pub/bar/nightclub in this city…oops, can’t do that either. 

Do any of you rememeber the hype in ’94 when it was announced that Thunder Bay was getting the real canadian superstore? Yes, fellow readers of this blog, there was actually a ceremony for the opening of this momentus occasion. And getting the walmart around the same time was like winning the bid for the olympics..only with less economic impact, less low paying jobs, and more reasons for city council to destroy the core of the city. Also, do any of you Thunder Bayites remember the plan to build the expressway all the way out near Kakebeka, then the city ran out of money, and it ended at golf links road? For about 15 years of my life growing up, there was this giant clearing at the end of the harbour expressway(which by the way, it’s only about 3 km’s long LOL) and about 50 feet of pavement just left there to wither away like the Fort William Gardens. And someone here mentioned the housing prices…well there’s only one reason, and one reason only for that….no money. If you all want cheap housing where you have a shot at a livable income, go to Windsor, I almost did, but I ended up in Oshawa where I currently reside. And as for Toronto and area not having nature…any of you heard of Niagara Falls? One of the natural wonders of the world. Hell, I have a cottage in havlock, located in the best known, most famous cottaging/recreational area on the planet…the muskokas. Oh but I’m sure Ouimet canyon beats Georgian bay right? Located 50 minutes from Toronto. Skiing in Thunder Bay? Ya sure. Let’s go to Loch Lohmond, or Big Thunder and have the crap spewing from the paper mill blown right in our faces. And of course Mt Baldy, with what, 7 runs? Sorry, I’d much rather go to Collingwood(45 minutes from Toronto) where it actually is world class skiing and resorts, as opposed to go to a ski hill that had the World Nordic championships, and couldn’t do Giant Slalom or super G. 

You Tbay people can all rant about nature…but you have obviously not see the rest of the most beautiful country on the planet that we call home. Thunder Bay is a cess pool of filth, crime, and unemployment. The roads are shit, the transit, well tbay transit eh…I’ve seen better trasnsit in places like Regina, Swift Current, North Bay and Saint John New Brunswick. And I have yet to visit a city in my life that has more boarded up schools. Like crap man, my school, black bay road public school, has spent 15 years collecting dust. It really says alot of about a city when I can say that growing up in Current River, I lived in the best part of the city. Which ain’t saying much cuz I lived a 10 minute walk from one of the largest psychiatric facilities in the country…which speaking of which, my high school was located right across the stret from. 

Sorry to rant like this, but hopefully people here thinking of going to visit/move thunder bay…you’d best keep going to Kenora, Dryden or Atikokan…this way you can avoid getting your head kicked in by a gang of natives, or a gang of white folk who think your native, and also to see real nature, and not some random group of trees that we call a bush…anyone else notice that Ouimet canyone is starting to look like a dump from all the garbage thrown down there? Ok, sorry I’ll stop now….after I mention the fact that Thunder Bay has the second highest percentage of people in Ontario living offof welfare…google it ;). How’s that for employment prospects?


 “Avoid Thunder Bay unless you’re touring. The whole city is run on nepotism and cronyism, the city council and mayor haven’t a clue on how to run the city, the economy is in the toilet, and frankly, these are all reasons why people want to move out of the city. 

I’ve lived here all my life, and I can tell you that as a 26-year old with a background in computer animation and an English degree, there is NOTHING here for me. The people with the money don’t want to see new industries come in and create competition and new jobs, the jobs that are here are for those who graduate high school and don’t want to do anything else to further their education, and frankly, the paper mill is whistling past the graveyard, employing a small fraction of what it once could.  

It’s sad, but when you realize how incredibly stubborn and stupid the city has been in terms of bringing in new jobs or improvements, you honestly get angry and stop caring, altogether. Why? Because people in the city have been doing it for years. Soon, the city will turn into another Elliot Lake or a gigantic reserve for the First Nations. Everyone who graduates from the medical school here wants to go somewhere else for work because of the aging population and political games. Same with the university and college. What good is staying when all the answers you get while trying to get a job involve call centres, nursing and truck driving?


 “I was born and raised in Thunder Bay. My sister and me moved to Vancouver. We were appalled at the lack of customer service, smiles and thank you’s. It was almost painful!!! These people hate it here and don’t mind showing it. I’ve moved back due to some unfortunate events and am counting the days till I leave. Don’t get me wrong, it’s really beautiful..but, if you’re not an outdoorsy type there is little here. A cultural wasteland comes to mind. The locals like it the same(change is a scary thing!)..Tim Hortons and every restaurant featuring the same menu seems to do well. In general, the people here don’t mind going for their groceries wearing their breakfast on their clothes. Racism, homophobia and sexism is the norm. Which equals people like me running very quickly in the opposite direction. Let the giant sleep.


“If you are wondering why many of the locals are down on their town there is: the lack of jobs unless you have connections or luck, some of the stupidest most myopic car driver’s in the country along with badly synchronized lights that makes for needless stop-and-go traffic, mediocre city transit that has limited evening times and ends around midnight, needless urban sprawl that goes beyond the large city limits. There always seems to be the need to tear down much of the old to build something new (with no guarantees on workmanship and costs way over estimates). The fix is also in on many things from the vote for the city name (purposely splitting the vote by offering ‘Lakehead’, ‘The Lakehead’, and ‘Thunder Bay) to city council asking for citizen opinion on big projects when it already has it’s mind made up to if, how big, and where they will be, to local contractors being the tail that wags the dog on city building fixing and building projects. 

The isolation of the city doesn’t help – you are a good 7 hour drive from anywhere bigger (Minneapolis and Winnipeg). The only close city of around the same size is Duluth/Superior.  

As far as the comment by IRK wondering why people who are “stuck” here don’t leave. The cost of living isn’t too high (that may change if the local gov’t keeps increasing taxes for it’s many recent white elephant projects), they may still have friends and family here or other commitments, and who is going to leave unless they have a better job lined up elsewhere without a skyrocketing cost to their housing. The philosophy being the devil you know is better than the one you don’t even if you are working several McJobs (which IRK probably isn’t – if you have a regular secure good paying job anywhere can be good).  

The recent “boom” mentioned by IRK doesn’t help anyone who has been here for a while and doesn’t have very recent education and experience in the precise field needed. Most of the “boom” only helped those outside of the city getting a job here and only slightly indirectly helped a few here.


“Having lived all over Canada and multiple places overseas I can say with confidence that Thunder Bay is indeed a shit hole. The author of this article shouldn’t be criticized, he manage to point out a few nice points about this place, which is not an easy task. The nature surrounding Thunder Bay is fantastic, the city itself is shit. 

Living in Thunder Bay is kind of like living in some sort of groundhog-day-esque, 1980’s surrealist nightmare complete with mullets, hair band classic rock, Reganistic attitudes towards anything progressive but without any of the jobs that came with the 80’s.  

Most trucks are jacked up higher than their drivers IQ’s. Vomiting spaghetti on a map would probably have been a more sensible and aesthetically pleasing approach to city planning. Locals are not welcoming unless you have wallowed in the same gene puddle together for most of your life. Plus it snowed into May this year, which is some whole new level of bullshit anywhere south of the 60th parallel.  

I cannot wait to be done work here and get the hell out. I have been here off and on for about 5 years, having spent the last 2 years here in a row and can say with the utmost confidence that when I pack up and leave this little backwards frozen-turd-nugget of a town I will never return. Sorry for the negativity but other than nice nature T-Bay has no redeeming qualities whatsoever!



Video: Failing First Nations’ children

Welcome to the true face of Canada. One thing the cakers don’t seem to understand is that in these remote communities people are left with two choices: continue to live in poverty (due to a lack of proper resources and access to them) or relocate.

Relocating is an arduous, expensive affair that still won’t fix the problem as there will still be (even smaller) communities left behind, made up of those who wouldn’t move.

The only reasonable answer to this ongoing issue is to make the communities larger or have numerous communities sprinkled closely together, sharing resources. In order to expand the population you will have to actually make these dumps livable … that will require investment and attracting talented, motivated people.

How to do that? Most intelligent people don’t want to live in Canada to begin with. Even the cakers born and raised here (that don’t know any better) overwhelmingly live down south alongside the U.S. border. 

How do you attract people to a dumpy, arctic shit hole? (That’s Canada’s problem). Once they get there, how do you attract them to an even dumpier, colder, worse-off shit hole in the northern parts? 

A first step is to stop ‘consensus based’ governing in the territories and apply proper oversight through political parties; start up the ‘government machine’ where it can prove useful. The second is to invest in expanding infrastructure and building in northern Ontario so that these places can grow and link together. 

But since cakers can’t even run this dump with all it’s natural resources, commanding the world’s second-largest country (land mass), and attract a population on par with England – you better not hold your breath waiting for smart solutions, especially for Aboriginals or the north. 

See also:  Northwest Territories: a new level of hellNunavut (we descend deeper into hell)

Northwest Territories (a new level of hell)

So you thought the average province in the caker kingdom was bad? It’s all sunshine and roses compared to the Northwest Territories. 

A 2011 Poverty Progress profile report stated the following:

“The Government of Northwest Territories (GNWT) has yet to provide a definition of poverty and currently has no territorial strategy to eradicate it.” 

You know things are bad when that’s the opening sentence of a poverty progress report.

It carried on:

“The Northwest Territories (NWT) stands out in Canada as the territory that has the greatest need for housing repairs, a crime rate six times higher than the national rate and soaring mental health issues.  

The territory functions by a consensus system with no legislated political parties making it difficult to provide services that are at the crux of eradicating poverty.”

So far so good: we’ve got no definition of poverty, no plan to eradicate it; no legislated provincial parties to oversee progress or act as a voice for the people.

It carries on to say that Statistics Canada has no reliable data on poverty so the report has to conduct an approximation:

15% of residents are living on an income of less than $30,000 with different areas ranging from 15 – 25% and up to 40% for single parents.  

5% of the population experience homelessness.

The average low-income earner receives $16,344.

Regarding housing:

“The government plays a small role in combating homelessness. It has no designated overseer to address or review the housing crisis, nor has it produced a report on the issue. The federal government allocates $417 000 to Yellowknife programs that address homelessness.”

On high school graduation:

“One statistical measurement showed that high school graduates had increased on average from 43% in 2001-2005 to 51% from 2004-2008 with a goal to reach 60% by 2015.”  

Alcohol and substance abuse, as well as suicides are the worst in the country.

As for Aboriginals:

“Without further commitments to funding, Aboriginal peoples will continue to occupy the bottom realm of the income distribution accounting for 90-95% of the homeless population.”

So by the 2015 report what are we left with? We’ll start with this little note from a bottom page:

“Statistics Canada does not collect or compile data directly measuring poverty in Northwest Territories, such as the Low Income Cut-off (LICO), Low-Income Measurement (LIM), or Market Basket Measure (MBM)”

Because of course in Canada if we don’t have statistics or proper data we can just paper over the issue and carry on! We learn that:

– 17.2% of residents struggle with low-income.

– There is a vast income gap between non-Aboriginal people (in larger communities) and their Aboriginal counterparts in smaller places.

– It has some of the highest rates of homelessness, crime and addiction in the country.

We can’t learn anything about income assistance, food issues or low-income families because the “data is not available”.

Yet it does mention that, “in 2013 the total welfare income for a family of four was $33,782.23. However, according to the latest NWT Market Basket Measure, the income required for a family of four to meet its basic needs in Yellowknife is $51,314.”

So in 2011 they were telling us families under $30,000 are considered “low income” and yet the government is giving a family of four people 33k to live off all year?


The unemployment rate is 8.2%  

60% of children in smaller communities suffer from delays in development.

31% of children live in food-insecure households.

Now if you go to the shitty NWT Bureau of Statistics (not federal) you can get a tiny bit more information, nothing too substantial though. You can get answers to questions like:

“self-perceived mental health”

(It’s good ma’am, the voice in my head told me so!)

“satisfaction with life”

(I love this arctic hell hole ma’am, I’ve never been anywhere else!)

“sense of community belonging”

(everyone else here is miserable, drunk and suicidal – guess I belong!)

You can’t make this stuff up folks!

Yup, 2014 statistics can tell you the ‘sense of community belonging’ but nothing about food insecurity, income assistance or other hard data needed to properly implement change.

So according to estimates, in the Northwest Territories the population is a little over 44,000 people. It contains 33 communities, the largest being Yellowknife with just over 19,000 people. Aboriginals make up about 36% of the population but are disproportionately the poorest.

Food prices have skyrocketed due to shipping, freight charges, a fluctuating dollar, etc. As of 2014, here were some prices listed in local news stories:

“When prices at the local Northern Store jumped in early January, residents began posting photos of the prices on Facebook: $53.49 for a 10-kilogram bag of flour, $10.25 for a pint of grape tomatoes and $90.96 for a case of bottled water.”

Everything is more expensive. According to this report:

Household Heating Cost Comparison 

Yellowknife- Heating residence with fuel oil – $1.20/litre $6,500/year

Paulatuk- Heating residence with fuel oil – $1.50/litre $11,000/year

Edmonton- Heating residence with natural gas -$3.00/gig $700/year

Imagine being a low-income person or single parent living off $16k-30k yearly and having to pay these prices to eat and keep the lights on. Unbelievable!

Adding to the absurdity is the fact that there are no political parties in the NWT, but a “consensus government” – meaning one member is elected from each constituency. At first glance not having parasitic career politicians might seem to be a good thing, until you realize they are having to simply elect one person from each area who may or may not be qualified, experienced and capable of the job.

Compounding problems is the terrible weather, economics and cost of living: meaning nobody wants to live in the hell hole North, which of course makes attracting quality people problematic. With no political parties comes no proper oversight or accountability, and without the ‘permanent professionals’ that orbit other provincial MLA’s, it seems like amateur hour at best.

In fact, government recruits (of any capacity) leaving before even a year is up has become such an issue that the government now wants to force them to sign a one-year contract if they received any public funds for relocating up north.

The takeaway:

The NWT is a cold, frozen hell hole filled with poverty, inequality, and despair. It sucks to live there, it sucks to work there, and nobody in their right minds wants to be there unless it’s all they’ve ever known (and maybe not even then).

Somehow even after decades, the cakers can’t manage to fix this mess that ONLY has 44,000 people! We’re not talking millions here … less than 50,000 people and they can’t handle the job!

We finish off with this sad promo attempting to con poor unsuspecting immigrants to the NWT. Here are some of the best bits:

“The geographic and climatic realities of life in the Northwest Territories can make the cost of living fairly high. Because of the higher transportation costs, many day-to-day items cost more than they would in major Canadian cities. Compensation, however, is higher in the NWT in order to offset the higher cost of living.” 

“Housing in the NWT is often more expensive than the Canadian average, due to the costs associated with building structures capable of withstanding the cold climate. The average price of a house in the territory ranges from $275,000 to $310,000, making it one of the most expensive housing markets in Canada. However, the cost of a house can be 50% lower outside of Yellowknife than in the city itself.” 

“Despite the small population, the Northwest Territories has a comprehensive and first-rate public education system that covers a child from early childhood programs through Grade 12.” 

“Alongside the more traditional culture, Yellowknife is a growing modern city. One can find there many of the same stores, entertainment and other cultural elements you would find in any other Canadian city. However its Northern location and relative isolation give Yellowknife a strong community feel and a distinct character.” 

“Immigration to the province today is mainly to the capital city of Yellowknife. With the city’s economy booming thanks to natural resources, individuals are moving to Yellowknife to take advantage of economic opportunities.”

I feel dirty just reading it! You’ve got to pity the poor suckers that were conned into going up there, whether they’re duped immigrants or bribed to stay at their remote job location. You’ve got to pity the people born there – one of the shittiest spots in the caker kingdom!

But don’t listen to the naysayers, everything’s peachy in the Northwest Territories! Canada too!

O Canada!