Perspective: II

As Canadians watch events unfold down south regarding the ‘Black Lives Matter’ movement and overall discussions about race, they pay lip service to these topics without looking inward. So here I am to point out the obvious.

Let’s start with slavery:

Canada had slavery for two centuries. While enslaving any person is an abhorrent act, enslaving Black people strikes me as particularly egregious.

Why? Down south the enslavement of Blacks was the driving force of the whole economy and building of a nation, while here in the north enslaving Aboriginals was part of the Boreal economy and sustaining the fur trade. So why enslave Blacks in Canada? Simply put: because they wanted to. Again, I must emphasize: they went out of their way to enslave Blacks when the economy didn’t depend on it.

It’s a disturbing, sobering fact which makes the enslavement all the more revolting. You might think if Blacks were down south and in short supply locally, and Aboriginals were enslaved for the Boreal economy – there should be very few Black slaves, right? Wrong. Stunningly, Black slaves still made up at least a third of all slaves! And this is despite the fact they cost double the price!

To have a Black slave was to confer prestige upon yourself, and of course to keep up with the American neighbors. Canadian slavery never reached the heights it did in the United States or South America, but this is only because Canada was a poor, sparsely populated colony which no slavers felt could finance the cost of transport and purchase. (Even France refused to send shipments.)

Canada did try however: it legalized slavery as an institution in 1709, and three authorizations to ship slaves were given upon request in 1689, 1701, and 1721. In 1733, a legal precedent was set: even though a slave was ‘Christian’, he could still be sold and purchased as a commodity. Slavery wasn’t abolished until 1834, and even then it was done through a British mandate and not the mandate of the Canadian people.

We’ll move along to the cover-up:

I will compare the ensuing denial to the best analogy I can conjure: imagine a wife who denies her husband has been sexually abusing their daughter. Is the denial worse than the crime itself? No. Is it as bad as the crime? Perhaps not. But is it heinous, cruel and sickening? Absolutely!

So it is here as well: enslaving Blacks purely for ego was already evil enough, but then to hide and deny the truth afterwards is heinous and repulsive! I cannot stress this point enough, it truly sickens me.

Slavery in Canada was not taught in schools. I didn’t learn of it until I was in my thirties, much to my shock. Even then it was only because I read an article about a historian’s book on the subject. The book pointed out that “generations of historians maintained a virtual conspiracy of silence about slaves owned and exploited, bought and sold, by Canadians themselves.” From the end of slavery until the 20th century … Canada simply pretended it never happened.

I’d only learned about the “Underground Railroad” and how Canada had been a safe harbor for runaway slaves (despite slavery still existing here legally).

For generations, Canadians have sanctimoniously looked down their noses at Americans because of the slave trade, Civil War, Jim Crow and racism. While Americans enslaved Blacks for economic gain, Canadians did it for prestige and ego. While Americans fought a civil war to end slavery, Canadians did it when the British Empire abolished it. While Americans celebrated heroes such as Frederick Douglass and Harriet Tubman, Canadians hid from the truth and lied to generations of the nation’s children. Then they had the gall to proclaim themselves superior!

And the racism carried on. In 1870, Hiram Revels was the first Black member of the Senate and Joseph Rainey was the first Black member of the House of Representatives (during the Reconstruction Era). In contrast, Canada’s first Black member of Parliament was Lincoln Alexander in 1968. The first “Black” (biracial) U.S. President was elected in 2009, while Canada has never had a biracial or non-white Prime Minister.

And the racism carried on. The Ku Klux Klan was openly acknowledged as a part of American history, but Canada’s KKK was never acknowledged: hidden and whitewashed out of existence until only recently by mainstream media, authors and the nation.

While everyone here knows about segregation in the American south, fewer know of segregation in Canada’s east coast provinces. Fewer still know that Canada was also segregated in law and/or practice; the last segregated school in Ontario closed in 1965, the last one in Nova Scotia closed in 1983.

And the racism carried on: through racist laws which were effected because Canadians considered Blacks inferior and undesirable. There was: Section 38 of the 1910 Immigration Act, the Black Immigration Ban in 1911, various court rulings in favor of segregation, all among other things.

Why are they so racist? A curious question …

Racism cannot be justified, but there’s usually some historical context for bigotry and prejudice. For example in the United States – due to marginalization and deprivation – many Black people became associated with ghettos, the drug trade and gang culture. Although being forced into these situations wasn’t their fault, the general context became justification for present bigoted views and continued racist sentiments.

Going back to an earlier time: slavery and its aftermath created a societal hierarchy in which Black Americans were viewed as inferior to generations of white citizens.

In Canada, the case was paralleled by Aboriginals: originally slaves then segregated from society, confined to tiny reserves, ‘educated’ at residential schools and left in poverty and dysfunction. Being forced into these situations wasn’t their fault, but overall dysfunction from generational trauma became the context for present bigoted views. Canadians (like their American counterparts) label their undesired group as ‘welfare bums, degenerates, lazy, uneducated, criminals, thugs, moochers’ and so on.

If Canadian Aboriginals are akin to Black Americans, then so it’s reversed in another parallel: Black Canadians and their history are conveniently ignored and forgotten, much like Native Americans in the U.S. This was my working theory, however it doesn’t hold up under scrutiny …

Some Americans admire and respect their Indigenous nations, others with racist views may sneer at them, but mostly they are forgotten and ignored – especially in comparison to African Americans. Generally speaking, it can be said hatred is not present.

Year after year, decade after decade – Black Canadians have been the number one target of hate crimes. This is astonishing when you take into consideration the fact they represent only 3% of the Canadian population. Also consider the context: a third of slaves (a reduced history of slavery), small numbers, no real large immigration influxes, and a lack of criminality which is usually associated with Aboriginals.

In fact it looked so bad that Statistics Canada has stopped taking down the relevant information on individual races. It has never compiled federal statistical data on other issues (police shootings, murders, crime data, etc) so as to avoid the topic completely. One could never compare Black issues in Canada against the United States because the nation collectively refused to compile any data which could prove its racism.

Some can be gleaned from localized records, media reports and so on. One news study showed that Black Canadians made up 9% of police shootings despite being 3% of the population. Only this year (2020) has discussion taken place about compiling race-based data on police shootings and other subjects.

In the United States there is a long history of injustice and searing pain, which remains raw. Canada has always looked on with hypocritical disdain while not even admitting the truth about its own history and racism. Now it begins to confront it – only thanks to the United States.

It would have been great if Canada had taken the initiative, but as usual it waited until the Black Lives Matter movement erupted in the United States and then copied the protests and self-reflection so as not to be left behind. NOW the government releases a statement, NOW the media saturates with news stories and programs, NOW people begin inquiring into the past and the cover-ups. (I guess better late than never.)

And Canadians wring their hands; the media admonishes us “there is racism in Canada too!” Individuals and groups proclaim and exclaim; while doing so they also congratulate themselves on their ‘voluntary’ introspection. Swallowed down is the sanctimony and schadenfreude they usually indulge in while looking south … at least for now.

The questions remain: Why are they so racist? And what will they really do about it?

What I would like to see from the Canadian government, media and people, an acknowledgement:

That you are as racist as Americans.

That there has been less violence because there has been less immigration and fewer minorities generally throughout Canada’s existence.

That Black Canadians are particularly singled out for hatred with little historical context as a back drop.

That you have purposefully refused to compile data which proves the disparity and racism.

That ignoring slavery, your history and the past has been a heinous act which merits an apology by the state.

That there is no greater act of contempt than to refuse to admit past crimes: in this sense you minimize wrongdoing, negate the suffering, disallow survivors to become heroes, and most importantly preempt future change.

That you understand and admit all these things openly, and not simply pay lip service to change while making empty gestures and pronouncements.

Truly look inward instead of putting on a show (feeding the ego, starving the soul).


Post Script: More Thoughts

Crime and violence against African Americans is often used in comparison with Canada, the obvious inference being that Canadians are by and large less violent and being Black in Canada would’ve been better. I’m not sure I buy this argument.

Generally speaking, Aboriginals can expect worse treatment and living conditions than Black Americans. The murder rate of Black Americans is significantly higher, but this can be attributed mainly to the drug trade in inner cities.

The United States is one of the most populated nations in the world, and is also linked by land to Mexico. Both these factors contribute to the national drug trade, and historic impoverishment of Black communities explains their connection.

As of 2016, Canada’s Aboriginal population sat at nearly 5%. Despite this low percentage (at a historic high) their overall conditions are as bad or worse than Black Americans – who account for 13% of the American population. Also include the fact that half of Aboriginals live in remote areas and on reserves.

If it’s this bad now, what would it be like if they were 13% and lived in cities?* And if Black Canadians are treated this way now, how would they fare at 13% and if slavery had been a larger industry historically?

There’s no doubt that violence against Black Americans has been worse overall than Black Canadians, but I feel it’s due to context. If the situations were reversed I don’t believe Canadians would have been any better – most likely worse.

*Look at Winnipeg and Thunder Bay as examples.

Foreword (quoting George Elliot Clarke)

I wanted to share this Foreword to the book The Hanging of Angelique, written by George Elliot Clarke. I only recently discovered this book, and the summary in the beginning perfectly captures everything I’ve been saying, only with more eloquence than my rantings.

I find Canada worse than the United States in the same way I find a corrupt police officer worse than a criminal: it is the complete betrayal of trust based on false imagery and misrepresentation; the total base hypocrisy which is abominable and beyond contempt.

So, to quote:

“As I WRITE THIS FOREWORD, Mme. Michaelle Jean, born in Haiti in 1957 and a resident of Montreal, Quebec, since 1968, is being sworn in as Her Excellency, the governor general of Canada, the nation’s twenty-seventh head of state. Mme. Jean is, culturally, Haitian-Quebecoise-French; historically, she is like the vast majority of Black people in the western hemisphere– a descendant of African slaves. While performing her viceregal duties, this savvy intellectual– a socially oriented broadcast journalist by trade, a student of Haitian and Quebecois history, and a speaker of five languages– may reflect on the irony that she is queen in all but name of a society, Canada, that was established just as Haiti was, on the economic basis of African servitude. Not surprisingly, European-Canadian commentators on Mme. Jean’s ascension have noted that she is a “descendant of Hatian slaves” and some have applauded Canada’s blindness concerning “race” and “gender”– that is to say, it’s supposed liberality– in selecting a Black woman for the post of head of state and commander-in-chief of the Canadian Armed Forces.

But forgotten (in fact, repressed) amid all the analyses of Mme. Jean’s elevation is Canada’s own practice of slavery, Aboriginal and African, its emancipation of slaves only by imperial fiat (from London), and its continued conjoining of labour needs and “race” in its immigration practices. Forgotten too, are the two salient anniversaries that 2005 represents for African Canadians: the arrival of the first African person in Canada, namely, Mathieu de Coste, in 1605; and the relaxation of anti-Black immigration laws with the 1955 promulgation of the West Indian Domestic Scheme.

The avoidance of Canada’s sorry history of slavery and racism is natural. It is how Canadians prefer to understand themselves: we are a nation of good, Nordic, “pure”, mainly White folks, as opposed to the lawless, hot-tempered, impure, mongrel Americans, with their messy history of slavery, civil war, segregation, assassinations, lynchings, riots, and constant social turmoil. Key to this propaganda–and that is what it is– is the Manichaean portrayal of two nations: Canada, the land of “Peace, Order, and Good Government,” of evolution within the traditional constraints of monarchy and authority, where racism was not and is not tolerated, versus the United States of America, the land of guns, cockroaches, and garbage, of criminal sedition confronted by aggressive policing (and jailing), where racism was and is the arbiter of class (im)mobility.

Indeed, in Canada, “race” and racism are concepts used to refight the American Revolution, to establish that the Yankee Revolt against the Crown was wrong, while Canada’s loyalty to the monarchy, heirarchy, and public order fostered a more harmonious and, ironically, rouge-tinted society.

But the price of this flattering self-portrait is public lying, falsified history, and self-destructive blindness. It means that we can forget about a Canadian-led expedition to the Congo in the 1880s, which resulted in Africans’ heads being cut off and stuck on fence posts– a scene that may have inspired Joseph Conrad’s Heart of Darkness. We can guiltlessly commemorate, with a single plaque, an entire Black community– Africville– which had been in existence for almost 150 years when, in 1962, the city of Halifax decided to relocate its citizens, razing and burying all signs of Africville’s former life. We can ignore the contributions of nineteenth-century Black settlers who cleared and tilled parts of this land until “official” settlers arrived from Ireland and England and claimed the title. Think, for instance, of Priceville, Ontario, where, in 1989, grave markers of the town’s first inhabitants turned up in a farmer’s field. Only then did the townspeople “discover” that the Black cemetery had been ploughed under, the Black presence buried and all but forgotten.

Our refusal to embrace the facts of our history means that we, as a people, can commit atrocities such as the one that occurred in Somalia in 1992, when “our boys,” part of a taxpayer-funded, elite paratrooper regiment, shot three Somalis and lynched one, a child. It means that we make liars out of our “coloured”– that is, “visible minority”– citizens, as our federal government did in 2003. In that year, when the United Nations released a report stating that Africans and Aboriginals suffer racism in Canada, the response of the Liberal government of Canada was that the UN was wrong…

… Unlike American literature and society, in which rebels, Black and White, are celebrated, canonized with folk songs, and given “star billing,” even if they were silenced by officially sanctioned bullets or state executions, Canadian literature boasts very, very few such figures. The Manitoban mystic Louis Riel, hanged for insurrection in 1885, is one vaunted rebel, especially for Metis and francophones. In African-Canadian circles, no such celebrity exists; our “criminals” are seldom martyrs…

… The reader will notice, no doubt, that, while I claim that Mme. Angelique is the best-known African-Canadian slave, she appears in only a handful of texts (excluding histories). Here we address the nub of the problem that Dr. Cooper’s research challenges: the repression of the history of Canadian slavery necessitates the oblivion of actors such as Mme. Angelique. The recovery of that history mandates the remembering of representative and extraordinary slaves…

Some may object that, because colonial Canadian slavery was not as extensive as the Southern U.S. version, Dr. Cooper’s research is academic and inconsequential. However, we must recognize that slavery was practiced in a solid third of what is now Canada– in Upper Canada (Ontario), New France (Quebec), New Brunswick, Prince Edward Island, and Nova Scotia; that it numbered in thousands of slaves (with the greatest number in New France), held “legally” under various colonial regimes and traded globally; that it lasted for more than two hundred years; and that it ended only because it was not vital to the boreal economy.

As historian James Walker has argued, because colonial Canada held African slaves, its society fostered anti-Black racism-Negrophobia that persists in Canada today. Furthermore, because slavery was all about extracting free–and hard– labour from understandably recalcitrant persons, it sanctioned torture, even in Canada. Thus, one reads that a Loyalist kept his slaves chained to his basement walls in Fredericton, New Brunswick; or that a Nova Scotian bachelor minister owned two teenage female slaves, thus exciting public controversy; or that a Nova Scotian mistress bludgeoned a boy slave to death with a hammer; or that “a slave of Judge Upham” was hanged, on flimsy grounds, for the murder of a White woman in New Brunswick; or that Jean-Baptiste Thomas was hanged in the Montreal market, for theft, in the summer of 1735 (just a year after Mme. Angelique was executed); or that Josiah Cutten was hanged, in Ontario, in 1789, but was likened to animals that “go about at Night for their prey”. Ah, the records of Canadian slavery are every bit as vicious as those we Canadians know so much better– those of the Great Republic…

… “Four hundred years after the first African landed on Canadian shores (in Nova Scotia), 270 years after the grisly execution of Mme. Angelique, 170 years after the British Empire abolished slavery in Canada, and 50 years after Blacks were once again permitted to immigrate to Canada (specifically, from the Caribbean), one watches a brilliant irony unfold: the Jamaican-Canadian Dr. Cooper, a native of a society of slave revolts, presents her governor general, the Haitian-Canadian Mme. Jean, a native of a country established in rebellion and revolution, with a document about another Black woman, who was a martyr for liberty in colonial Canada.”

I now finish off with a quote from Afua Cooper in her Preface:

“The story of Angelique provides an opportunity for us to reclaim a hidden past. Since much of the Black past has been deliberately buried, covered over, and demolished, it is our task to unearth, uncover and piece it together again. This we are called to do, because the dead speak to us.

Winnipeg: Rants

“The definition of “Winnipeg”:

We love to talk about things. We love to examine things. We love to look for the cheapest possible option. And we love to rally against change. Change of any kind. We don’t want anything new, modern, or state-of-the-art. Oh-unless $0.00 of our tax money is used, of course. 


We do nothing but whine about complain about how every penny of tax money is spent. If it’s going to make Winnipeg a more fun, exciting, desirable place to live, we’re against it before even knowing what it is. Or without even understanding how it will benefit us.

We embrace our “inferiority complex”. Edmonton? Ottawa? Calgary? Well.. they’re all richer than us. They can afford things. We can’t. They’re superior to us, with all their well-to-do citizens. Here? It’s Kraft Dinner nightly and just scraping by with each bi-weekly meager paycheque. 

This is shitty Winnipeg- new, exciting, bold things don’t happen here. Because they’re not supposed to. We’ll join the 21st century when we’re good and ready- and not a moment sooner.

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“You should post that on newwinnipeg.com . A poster by the name of Northender will tell you how safe walking down Selkirk Av and McGregor St at 1:00 AM is. And appearantly we should all move to the North End, becuase it has hardly any crime, and no gangs, according to Northender..

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“Winnipeg sucks, theres nothing to do here, especially in winter when it gets blistering cold to the point, you feel like your limbs are gonna freeze and fall out. The nightscene ain’t all that great, some bars are deader than others on a sat night which is something i don’t understand, i’ve been to other cities like Vancouver, Toronto, Montreal and btw, Montreal is the best city when it comes to this subject, bar none, but back to Weinerpeg, somethings definitely lackin in the nightscene. Then again, theres other problems besides that, for example, no NHL team, shopping experience here is non existent compared to other cities, ugly depressing downtown, shitty roads, mosquitoes the size of vultures, high crime and high car thefts, this city is everything a city shouldn’t be in other words, WINNIPEG SUCKS !!!!!

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“I join to your words. Winnipeg is a sh1thole. I mentioned already in “Winnipeg is a hellhole” topic 10 reasons why Winnipeg sucks.

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“I lived there for a couple of years! It is the worst place in Canada. Terrible people…ugly city…the worst of the worst is in Winnipeg! I so thankful not to be in the worst place in Canada anymore.


“born and raised and i cannot think of a town with such a small minded personna.rampent nimbyisim and a fear of change

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‘The definition of “Winnipeg”:’ An ugly city with dreadful winters not much to do and a bunch of petty, small minded people who’ve convinced themselves contrary to all evidence that they don’t really live in a shithole.

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“Small minded is right. My dad was Scottish, and had worked in many places around the world. He was working in Toronto, but then was transferred to Winnipeg. No one cared where he had been before, or that he wasn’t ‘from the east’ technically speaking…they couldn’t get past the fact he had most recently been working in Toronto. Of course, they hated him even more because the rubes that stayed in Winnipeg had totally f’ed up a project they were working on and someone had to come in and show them how to do it right. 

Most of the spending their is public sector, so no one cares if things go off the rails, but it was a private sector project and they had to try to meet timelines and budgets and discovered that they couldn’t wipe their behinds. 

Anyone with any ambition should get the heck out of there as soon as they are finished high school.

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@ FBOMBER

Where the hell do you downhill ski in Winnipeg LOL. Former landfill sites with t-bar lifts don’t count.

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“Been to winnipeg 4 times, twice i found myself without my vehicle. I don’t plan to return. People weren’t very friendly but I guess u can find that anywhere. It is colder than cold there. Go to vancouver or montreal for a good time.

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“I agree with you on just one point, and that is your point about the sunsets; you can’t see the ugliness that is Winnipeg after the sun vanishes for the night.

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“Just two cents from living experience,,,,I was born and raised here,,,,left this city in 1992 and lived in Vancouver, California and a virtual cornfield of a small town in the US midwest….I got back here two years ago to find Winnipeg is exactly the same as it was in 1992!! The geography, the buildings, the parks, rivers, landscape are perfectly fine and can’t be compared to anywhere else on earth,,,,everywhere on this gorgeous globe is different from another place…..what makes Winnipeg such a horrible city is the fact that every Winnipegger I’ve met, save for 3 of them, in the last two years has made sure to crap all over their own hometown right to my ears!!! I can’t believe the hatred of everything local and afar that I’ve encountered since I got back….If anyone here hasn’t lived in Winnipeg (I did for 3 decades at once),,,,they are speaking from pure ignorance,,,those who speak from personal life experience such as I are more than valid in their opinions of this city-awaiting-holocaust! Gawd I hope to be outta here by Xmas,,,,I came back hoping to invest big time and big $ in this city and I’ve been convinced by every slice of humanity one can imagine that this is the worst place in Canada to even think of settling and being a happy, decent, open-minded human being….I just can’t seem to work up the hatred it seems to take to live here!,,,,lol, I’m too busy working on another business plan!

“The very idea of change or improvement is met with total resistance by everyone I’ve met…this city should be a gravel-roaded panorama of brick buildings, identical rowhouses, and gas light lamps to satisfy the local population. It’s a nightmare of pure hate,,,,not political hate, but just hate for everyone at once, there doesn’t seem to be any exclusions for individual human beings that one can shake hands with…those aren’t real here, only the concepts of whatever “tribe” one associates with is what counts here. 

It’s a factory-built, cheapo southeast Asian import, deep discount, hate-filled, politically incorrect pit of venom and collective diminuation of human beings, cultureless city that should be returned to grassland in my opinion,,,,,I’ve now lived here for 32 years! I’ll never make the mistake of returning to this horror again….EVER!!

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 “Yeh I went to a bar there (male) recently. I was buying a drink when I was surrounded by 5 people (3 male 2 female) Having no previous engagement they surrounded me continuously saying “Your sexy and you know it”! and rubbing my body… believe me I really don’t appreciate being touched by that many people- especially dudes. On my way home all the taxi services let us freeze to death until we literally jumped infront of one. We seen a guy who was laying on the ground covered in blood outside the delta. A few days later that night in another incident a person had been stabbed in an unrelated instance the exact same night.. cops would litterally drive past fighting in the street. THIS IS NOT A CITY TO EVER GO TOO NO MATER WHAT!!! STAY AWAY!!!

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“That’s hilarious! I lived in the North end for just under 20 years. I was SO happy to get out of there. Now, I can accidentally leave something outside overnight and it’s STILL THERE the next morning. Not so in the North End.


It may have been illegal, but I kept a loaded shotgun near my bed every night for the past 15 years. I was lucky in that I never had to use it.

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“Dude, that sounds very creepy. It seems some Winnipegger’s have this need to make unrequested bodily contact, even if you do your best to drop hints, they just don’t get it. There are certain places in the world where they’d be killed for pulling that shit.

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“I lived in that poop hole for over 40 years before I wised up and moved to the maritimes. Winnipeg isin’t friendly, maybe 30 years ago but not now. Once you travel across Canada and see other cities you realize Winnipeg is one big cesspool of filth. This coming from an ex pegger that used to fiercely defend that bunghole. Do yourself a favour and get out of that scum pond.

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“Winnipeg is the largest unofficial aboriginal reserve in the country. They have all the criminal morons here. Earlier, I had some scarred aboriginal dude banging on my door and trying to pick my lock in the door. Called the cops, before they got, he escaped, then 30 minutes later returned and tried to break my door again and this time the cops got him. There are no wards to describe this shithole!!!! I hate this city “downtown” especially! Nothing good here, only crime, scum and run down infrastructure.

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“Your a reason why i hate this city too, F*cking racist, Thats the reason this city is such a shit hole. The city doesn’t try to do anything about it, in poverty stricken areas they set up beer vendors and bars, how the hell will that help anyone progress out of poverty? It won’t. This place will continue to be a sh*t hole since half of the white population hate natives with a passion

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“That has got to be the weakest and most illogical argument I think I’ve ever heard when it comes to Winnipeg’s violent crime problem. Blaming businesses for society’s abuse problems amounts to taking zero responsibility for one’s addictions. If you want to blame anyone, you blame the city of Winnipeg’s Zoning and Bylaw department. By the way, there’s a certain pawn shop in the city that happens to be conveniently located inside the same building as a bar and beer vendor, originally funded by a greedy Metis businessman who took advantage of impoverished people for decades. Maybe you should look at the actions of your own people before blaming society for your misfortunes. Grow up and take some responsibility and quit playing the race card as an excuse.

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“Most of the natives are the welfare sucking scumbags in this country, it is a fact.

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“What are you talking about skiing. The place is so flat. There. No skiing.there are no hills. Who ever plays hockey is moronic. The only thing to do in this province is drink. Or bang your head against a wall until you pass out and don’t have to deal with this s@$t hole!

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“lived here for soo many years and finally moving.

“Winnipeg is an obscure city, never seen mor young wannabes with no drive, inbreds, low intelligence and then an infrastructure like a third world country.

Let us not forget the lovely downtown but we are bonuses with lovely st James, polo park is fun but but not overshadowed by the north end, and no I didn’t forget about transcona.

It seems that all of the countries immigrants, this year 20 000 of them came here with a housing shortage for its own inhabitants.

Multiculturalism has never will never and doesn’t work.


We are a country where we are not individual and special snowflakes the government wants to sell you and the bleeding heart liberals eat up like a big Mac for an overweight cougar in a short dress and clear heels.


Have you been to wal mart in st vital lately, I felt I was in Nigeria a d Turkey at the same time.


With a small population density underplayed lower class, high welfare and natives flourishing here from reserves we have a beautiful city.


Of course there are always exceptions but on the whole it remains

One true great city doesn’t it?

Funny how we complain about the natives and immigration in private to one another.

Maybe we should take heed from Germany and stop immigration and give our mothers 3 years of maternity leave and yes paid, then per kindergarten for half a day with a person watching over them for free in the afternoon as well as for kindergarten, but probably too expensive for Canada hell immigration is more fun, you never know what ya get.
Enjoy, gettin out.

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“Bleeding heart freaks then invite 2 natives to live in your house for free.

Or go for a walk downtown this evening, nicely dressed, anytime this evening after 7 is ok.

Hmmmmmm guess you know better, city is full of thieves, killers, crack heads, I saw a native teenager take a small cat and twist its head, snapping it, then throw it in an
Ally. 

Maybe the bleeding hearts can help rehabilitate him?
Go eat in the food court at polo park anytime, see what’s up…..lol
Or maybe you will get mugged in the malls foyer, or your car stolen.

Winnipeg and welfare, never been on it, needed it once but had too much pride and pulled through my hard times s o long ago, point is we give handouts easily, wish I was native and an immigrant, cause I would get native benefits and immigration benefits of free dental, free prescription and non prescription drugs, 2 years free college and free university for natives, why go on, getting out of this whole of a city and country.

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“Your obviously inept or were dropped on your head as a child, possibly have fetal alcohol syndrome or are all of the above including a crack baby.


Enjoy the city, gettin out and lived in Europe for 10 years and ths city let alone country offers nothing. 


Why do you think there re so many expats, if you don’t understand the word look it up, you sound like an uneducated child.

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“It is a shit hole consumed by people living through their children’s lives, keeps them from thinking about their own life. Worst city to breed in.

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“A big Brandon

Full of rednecks, inbreds and ho’s
All small businesses fail and makes me so happy to watch them go out of business
Life is good

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“You need to be at least a part time drunk to fit in this place. I have no problem with the weather, it is what it is. I can’t stand how many natives (don’t mean to generalize but it’s true) are involved in crime. It’s everywhere. I live in the south end(supposedly safe) and its shit. My friend was brutally murdered for no reason by a 17&15 year old native boys. Total joke. The city is pretty damn ugly. The people for the most part are so close minded it’s not even funny. Everyone knows everyone literally. It’s pathetic. Once I’m done university I’m leaving for a long time before my ass comes back.

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“Winnipeg is a joke. Traffic is retarted and so are the people. All “attractions” are a joke. Downtown. In every other Canadian city is lively, vibrant and never sleeping. Winnipegs downtown is full of deadbeats, it’s dirty, and if you’re there alone you probably ain’t coming back. It’s such a joke. But wait the jets will make everything better. And are new statium well that just ozes salvation from its every pore.

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“Hmmm…have you been to any other Canadian city? Because the downtowns in all of the cities are dead at night. A little bit less dead in Montreal and Toronto, but then only on weekends for the most part. I was in Vancouver a few months back and I remember thinking how quiet the city was at night, even by Winnipeg’s standards. Canada is not Europe. Been to Vancouver’s Downtown East Side? How’s that for deadbeats…lots of used needles, real clean. You need to get out more, seriously. There’s a lot to do if you look for it. Check out your leisure guide. Check out different parts of the city for cycling or a long walk.

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“agree completely. i have been hear a year and a half and currently on the way out. disgusting, ugly city with horrific weather. to say the people are friendly is a major over statement and undtrue. people are depressed and nasty. Can’t wait to get out of here.

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“Let’s change the logo on the licenceplates from ” Friendly Manitoba” to “Weird Winnipeg”! People are walking around fearful or with their noses in the air. It is either self centered jerks or self absorbed snobby women. I have been told to ” eff off…I can get my own door” for politely holding a door open for a gal going into the Bay downtown. We are too conservative for our own good…afraid to try something new. I am becoming ashamed to say I am from here.

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“I’ve been dying for a place to complain for the last 30 years… when I moved to Winnipeg from Florida. Yes, I got married to a Manitoban. 


Not only was it cold and unfriendly (compared to where I came from), there were no trees or hills or anything that warranted looking at. I tried and tried for 15 years. I was scared of going out into the prairie landscape, it was moonscape, and it felt so far from civilization, I felt stranded. I was depressed and suicidal. Finally (13 yrs. ago) we moved to Ottawa — HALLELUJAH — and I began having nightmares that we’d come back to Winnipeg and couldn’t get back home to Ottawa. I refused to go visit friends there for 10 years because it gave me the heebie jeebies to think about it. I had nightmares about Higgins Street, about driving in ruts in the snow, about long never-ending cold days, about mosquitoes and bad neighbours. I don’t think there’s anybody in the world who hates Winnipeg more than I do.

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“never post here but really felt I needed to comment. I notice that almost all the Peg defenders cannot use grammar properly nor can they form a cohesive arguement. When one says, “Your a dumbass” what one really means is you are a dumbass or you’re a dumbass. Second, calling someone names like “mentally ill” does not prove your (not you’re) arguement- in fact, mental illness is just that- an illness and in the wider world is recognised as such. The education system in Winnipeg contributes to what a truly aweful place this is and creates this shared delusion that MB is ‘friendly’ and a great place to live. Look up the national education testing and see where your education ranks. As for the universities- my cat could get into UofM as long as I paid the tuition lol.

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“I have been to every major city North, South, East and West of Wpg. – having travelled the whole country by car over 3 – 4 months, and it is not what other cities are. The collective consciousness of this city is imbalanced and odd. Wpg’ ers are known to be narrow minded and cheap. Our infrastructure is awful. We have 3rd world poverty in our front yards. Our poverty baseline is 10 000 a year when the rest of Canada’s is $12 500. Crime is high. Downtown is unsafe. I have never felt connected to living here, and I was and raised here. I’m looking to move to TO where there is life everywhere when you walk the streets.

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“If I owned Winnipeg & Hell, I’d live in Hell – and rent out Winnipeg to some poor sap. Winnipeg truly is the worst city on this Earth.

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” It’s the most horrible “farm town”ever, I hate the we will mind your business for you attitude that I hate the most here. That and the ignorance and stupidity of most Winnipeggers. 


I hate WHA, Manitoba Employment Services (welfare), Winnipeg Harvest, United Way, and so many self serving so called charities here. 


It’s nothing but people who want to look down at others who live in a worst situation. I know for a fact that that rich here laugh at the natives in their faces, and think all problems are native ones. 

People in Winnipeg are also prejudice and hateful, the worst people i ever seen anywhere.  To build a human rights museum here is the worlds biggest insult to humanity.

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“WHAT MONTREAL IS NOT DEAD AT NIGHT. 

And Trust me Winnipeg is a shit hole, but mostly it’s because it caters to morons, the bottom feeders and the rich who pray on the weak. People here believe making less is a good thing, idiots !

Winnipeg is designed to keep you poor, and struggling so you can’t leave it. As a car city it forces young people to buy a car, and then they are in the trap.  


If you speak up about the problems, these mansion lead idiots who control everything here make legal trouble for you,and keep you stuck lopping though the courts, destroying peoples lives and pushing people in suicide.  


They social workers kill baby’s and get protection in doing so. This is what kind of place Winnipeg really is. Trust me 88% of places in North America you can earn more and you don’t have to be stuck living around these haters.  


The glass is actually greener in most places compared to the frozen hell hole.

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“Been here 1 week and planning on getting out. Streets are ridiculously full of snow yet thats what passes as grated. UGLY city. No class. Looks like a wasteland. Very disappointed but the good news Im just 2 hrs from beautiful Ontario. The only good thing that EVER came out of this hole was the birth of The Who. Imagine poor old Burton Cummings growing up here? No wonder he escaped. No fucking Beer stores No beer stores that deliver???? Are you kidding me? What a joke. This twon needs an enema. The asshole of Canada literally where all the shit ends up. Winner-peg. NOT!

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“Its the Guess Who. The WHO are a british band, with Pete Townsend, John Entwhistle, Keith Moon and Roger Daltry

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“I reluctantly returned to Winnipeg in July 2012 (for family reasons) after spending the previous 15 years out east (mostly in Montreal, with a few years in Quebec City and Toronto).


I have tried to keep an open mind. I’ll admit that there ARE enough activities in Winnipeg to keep people busy (theatre, arts, sports, outdoors), so this is not the problem.


My three main issues are: 


1. Wages really are lower here for the “average” person [i.e. nonprofessional but with a university education]. The exception would be if you work for the government, for Hydro, or for a national/multinational company, which all allow you to live in relative luxury with a lower level of education. The fact that Winnupeg has a lower unemployment rate just means (I speculate) that more people have lost hope and have taken those $10-$12/hr jobs that are so plentiful here. 


2. Winnipeg does not offer a god variety of housing (type, size, price range). A decent-sized, quality condo seems overpriced in Winnipeg. I was prepared to buy a place here, but the longer I stay, the more reluctant I am to actually buy property. Reasonably priced rentals are mostly awful mid-rises, 3-level walkups, or 1950s bungalows. You should be able to rent a decent place for $1000/mo. in Winnipeg, but I see that conditions changed while I was gone. Take a look at Realtor.ca to see what kinds of condos $225,000 (or less) will get you in Montreal or Quebec City; then compare them to what you can get in Winnipeg. Yes, Winnipeg real estate tends to offer better value per sq. foot (and income tax is lower), but we can never compete with the quality of life and variety in those other places. We don’t have much variety in neighbourhoods here—it’s either Osborne Village (good but still sketchy), Corydon/Lilac (stellar by Winnipeg standards), the Exchange (attractive and unique, but I would still be reluctant), or St. Boniface (some rough spots, but at least you can easily walk to those other neighbourhoods mentioned). Wolesley is nice, but surrounding neighbourhoods have some pretty serious problems (just watch the local news for a few days). I haven’t forgotten the suburbs; they’re just not worth mentioning. Seen one, seen ’em all. 


3. No matter what anyone says, you will eventually need a car in Winnipeg unless you have no family or friends to visit. I’m “low/middle income” but I never felt poor taking public transit in Montreal, QCity or Toronto—but a bus ride in Winnipeg is the most disheartening and humbling (read: depressing) experience I can get for my money. People who are against greenhouse gas emissions haven’t taken the bus to/from work in Winnipeg on a daily basis. Two days of commuting will cure such people of their environmental consciousness and send them car shopping with a smile. 


In conclusion, I’ll be leaving Winnipeg as soon as my family duties are fulfilled, or as soon as I crack (whichever comes first). At this point, I would welcome either possibility, but I am nervously coming to accept that I could be here for years. 


After I leave, I will only return to Winnipeg as a bag of ashes to be dropped into the ground. The only real estate investment worth making here is a cemetery plot (and I might even try to get a refund on that purchase at some point). 


If you are considering moving to Winnipeg, it should be for a very good salary. Save as much money as you can and then leave at the first opportunity. Having family and friends here will dull the pain but not cure it.

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“You would be very surprised. Everyone who “loves Winnipeg” is just justifying their idiotic decision to remain.


It has gotten so much worse here in the last while. The crime, the ever increasing taxes, the ever-increasing human garbage walking the streets, the moronic attitudes of the people…even the odd gem like Grand Beach is disappearing under a blanket of toxic blue-green algae. 


Retirement is coming soon for me, moving to Ontario with half the provincial & property taxes and 1/10 the crime. And two months of winter instead of six.

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 “Tucker I lived in Montreal 6 years, it’s not dead at all over night. Winnipeg is dead by 6 PM on a Friday. The unemployment rate is slightly less in Winnipeg region. I never been paid less then $11/hr a student a few years back. Many places higher, same job in Winnipeg pay min, and have less hours. Money goes further also in Montreal for poorer people, food is cheaper and transportation is about the same, yet you get around on time on a fully underground metro system. Then there is buses which come every 6 min, and night buses to prevent being fully stuck at nigh like in the Peghole. 


Winnipeg is not even a city, far as i am concerned, it an over sized farm town ! 

I could stop and look up statscan numbers too, in fact i am more qualified to read those numbers then most people. I also know I that though unemployment numbers read higher in Montreal, family income is also higher. On the other hand many natives that live in Winnipeg on government funds or no funds don’t tell the government they stay in Winnipeg 90% of the time, so add about 5000 more people to the overall numbers of poor. Plus, unemployed in Montreal lasts until your high paying job has new contracts, in Winnipeg it means you looking for more low pay jobs.  

I can assure you Montreal is a lot more fun, safer, and has bigger opportunities for people then Winnipeg.

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“Went for a walk today in filthville manitoba. Dunkirk and St Mary’s road and a back lane. Recyclibles everywhere on sidewalks and boulevards thrown fron cars. Broken glass including beer bottles. Vodka bottle. Paper, cig wrappings. Dog shhit on the sidewalk. One huge stool sample that might be from a shindleman. What a disgrace.

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“I made the mistake of marrying a woman in Winnipeg when I was just supposed to be passing through on my from Ontario to Alberta. Was duped into thinking the woman I married would move soon after the wedding. I wasted 23 years of my life in that shit hole. I finally left the Winnipeg Gulag 2005. I don’t have a single nice thing to say about the shit hole. I fCNg hate the place. I say bulldoze the entire city and leave it to the skeeters and lazy ass Indians and the rest of the deadbeats.

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“It’s just horrible Francesca, and now with the quick melt and the rain there is large amounts of dog poop floating in my neighbour’s yard. I feel like I am at risk of typhus or worse, and I’m worried that this will contaminate my garden and flower beds. 

Then there’s people like JTF who contribute to the problem by allowing their dogs to bark and foul public parks and boulevards. Such slobs. 

If the city would charge $2500 for 5 years ($500/year…very reasonable) it would have a source of much needed revenue and the irresponsible dog owners, who sad to say are a large majority, would be much reduced in number. Part of the licence fee would be a requirement to watch a short video on responsible dog ownership and then to pass a written test.

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“This is what I mean. Nobody wants to deal with all this mess from other people’s dogs.

Don’t know what drugs this clown is on. Winnipeg has three non-stop international flights: Minneapolis, Chicago and Denver. Everywhere else requires connections, and it is very expensive to fly from YWG because of lack of competition.

 I wish the city would get going on spring cleanup. Whats the hold up? Its like this every year, as if they act like flood..duh whats a flood? Or litter and D-shit, whats that? Or potholes, what are potholes? Get goin on these things NOW!!!

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“Walking downtown, and around the north is like playing russian roulette, “is that neech gonna come at me or not?”.

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I went through winnipeg .. Great place to take a Crap

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“The reality is with all the litter, it is not a very attractive city. I’m embarrassed to say where I live when I travel. 


100 years ago it was considered Canada’s most beautiful city. Then came the wrecking balls and depressing brutalist architecture.  


And why is it that they have to use so much gravel on the streets? Other cities with similar climates don’t do this. I guess one of the gravel pit owners is someone’s buddy.

One week ’til May long and what a mess this city is.

 The street sweepers do a terrible job of cleaning all the sand and it builds up from year to year.


Why aren’t they out now cleaning up the mess? Why are they waiting?

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“Winnipeg is a dump, I lived in the city for 10 years but luckily moved out West to Alberta. I’m out here for only a week, Thank the lord.


Nothing changes in this city except it’s cost which goes up. Here’s a few things I love about this city:


Pot holes you can drown in


The shittiest roads I’ve ever seen


Mosquitos the size of tennis balls


Brutal winters


Worst drivers hands down


17.50 for a pack of smokes now


Lots of crime


Dirty streets


Boring


Lots of drug addicts and crazy Indians


Pissed of people everywhere


This is the only city I’ve been in where half the people you see walking around are wearing dirty old sweat pants and a dirty shirt, And where the traffic is so congested panhandlers can actually squeegee your front AND back window. Ever try and run into a convenience store to grab something quick? Good luck you’re probably going to get stuck behind several gambling addicts blowing their welfare cheques on scratch tickets.


To the insane people trying to compare Winnipeg to Montreal, Pull your heads out of your asses. There is no comparison whatsoever, And this is coming from a white skinned red blooded conservative who likes to hate on Quebec frequently. Montreal is clean, Has nightlife, Lots of things to do, Is safe, GORGEOUS woman and so much more.


I could go on and on but don’t take my word for it, Come down and experience it for yourself if you haven’t yet. Just take my advice and pack light because once you’re here, You won’t be staying long.

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“Worst city I’ve ever had the misfortune of spending the night in. I’d rather kill my family one by one with my bare hands than make them suffer living in that hell. Do the Jets a favor, let them go back to Atlanta!

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“I agree with all the comments about this city.It’s lacking in so many ways.There are some positives,but I feel the negatives totally outweigh them.I keep myself busy and try n shut out everything in this town that pisses because I’m happy go lucky,but it’s hard.For me the winter n peoples attitudes are a deal breaker. Iv’e been fortunate to live all over Canada due to my work n this city doesn’t pass the grade.I’ll keep my cottage here because it’s peaceful to go to but I plan to retire to the BC valley.Definitely not here! One last thing, everyones entitled to their opinion but when you start to denigrate others just because you don’t agree with what they say…it just helps validate the negativity people feel they experience here.

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“Lived in Winnipeg for 3 years and when I left it was one of the happiest days of my life. I found the people not especially friendly, unaware of life beyond Winnipeg, stuck in a time warp, petty and cheap. Food in the restaurants (not the vile fast food and chains) left a lot to be desired and the coffee always vile. Yes, its a cheap place to live in terms of rents and housing but who wants to come and live in Winnipeg? not exactly a destination or city of dreams.

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“The city’s growth has stagnated, and try as they might, those in positions of authority don’t realize that Wiinipeg will never be big. So, they should take their heads out of the sands and build on the smallness of the city, instead of letting urban sprawl continue to be the spreading cancer that is ruining it.

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“I was at Broadway and Spence last week and could smell pig barns. Today in St Vital I smell Brady road. That’s Manitoba thinking, have gross stinky things close enough to Winnipeg so we can smell it. Its not as bad as cig smoke but its bad or biker B.O., but its bad.

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“Hey don’t worry, you’ve got a $351 million human rights museum now! That was definitely money well spent. I can’t think of a single thing that would have been a better investment. You’ll have that money back, and more, in no time. It’s going to draw people from all over the world, just to see it.


This is what I have noticed in my twelve years in this city:


1) This city has a very poor economy!


2) The infrastructure is laughable! This city is clearly mismanaged!


3)There is a very high crime rates!


4) This is pretty boring! There is very little to do! That’s a fact!


5) This is very cliquish and rude. That ”Friendly Manitoba” is a myth!


6) Downtown is very dumpy! Winnipeg is mainly in a poor and neglected state!


7) There is no LRT! The Winnipeg Transit is so ridiculous!


Hopefully one day this city will improve!


I forgot to mention that this city is full of nepotism!

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“You left out we love garbage strewn on our streets and back lanes. We expect dog shit on our sidewalks left by responsible owners who DON’T bag it then throw the bag in the bush. We only want to drink beer, yell and train dogs to bark.

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“WOW. The funniest thing about winnipegers is that many are delusional about how utterly horrendous this climate is. They think it’s the same everywhere in Canada. It’s not. There is nowhere colder, for more consecutive days, than here. Not by a long shot. But nice try. Maybe if you left shitty Manitoba you would realize this.

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“Well….I’ve noticed that renting an apartment in Winnipeg is EXTREMELY difficult. All these stupid landlords and rental companies want a letter from your employer, pay stubs, at least 2 rental references, you have to have been at your job for more than 6 months, your complete credit history, a deposit required with the application, and it takes 3 days to process your rental application.

…..and the apartments aren’t even nice. They are dumps! Doesn’t appear they want any out-of-towners moving in. This bullcrap sure turned me away! Man Winnipeg sucks!

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“I agree with you 1000%! This city is a sad joke! What a dump!

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I live in Winter-plague, and this place never fails to disappoint me. I WANT to like it here… I really do. Because I’m not some loser, I’m about to graduate University and my husband has 2 Doctoral degrees. We can make it here, easy, and give us 10 years and boy after we know everyone, life becomes gravy.


But FUCK MAN, is it worth it to be stuck rubbing elbows with these self-proclaimed “friendly” hypocrites for the next few decades of my life?? Everyone here is completely shut down to anyone they didn’t grow up with. Making friends here, no matter how many popular Winnipeg names you drop, is impossible. There are no play-dates, no afternoon drinks with the girls, no surfing the scene downtown (yuck by the way), there’s NO LIFE if you didn’t grow up here. You could be a millionaire… there are lonely saps that come out of their lonely homes each spring driving their Ferrari’s the 3 Kilometres from work to home just to get noticed and all anyone does is avoid looking at them at the red lights, and god knows how long they’ve lived here.


You have to be a total shut-in to live here, because summers aren’t long enough to actually DO anything with any property you buy. The attractions here get old… FAST. I’ve only been to the forks 4 times and I’ve almost memorized the entire blue prints and each store. Same goes for Osbourne Village, Polo Park and pretty much every park in town. You park your car, and shut your brain off before you get out to avoid feeling sick from the repetition of doing the same thing over and over again.


Winter…. ugh, winter. And the COPS… NEVER IN MY LIFE have I seen a police officer stop people by walking out into coming traffic on Bishop Grandin and standing there like they want to be road kill! Are you kidding me? That’s how i got my first ticket here, and I just wanted to say “Are you an idiot, or something? Is issuing a speeding ticket really worth risking your life, or putting me in prison?” Just stupid.


Customer Service is shit across the board here, but i’m not sure if that’s all of Canada or just Manitoba.


Downtown is plain old Scary. My mom is visiting in a week and i can’t even take her downtown, because i’m too embarrassed to tell her “hold onto your purse and don’t make eye contact”.


And the Mosquitos… they’re just bad. Really, really bad. Bad enough to make you spend that precious day in the mid 80’s after 7 months of bitter cold inside, exhausted of itching and being assaulted by the buzzing little beasties.


And I don’t drink, so that erases about 85% of the activities Winnipegers apparently do with their spare time.


The Bombers are just terrible. Of course the irony in their name… the bombers that bomb every game.. is not lost on my husband and I.


I could go on and on and on. Don’t move to the peg. It’s horrible.

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“Your infrastructure sucks. Your city planners suck. Your roads are poorly built and 60 years ago they should have built a bipass and evacuated it.

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“Canada is rapidly declining economically, it’s not just Winnipeg. I believe Canada has now slipped to 14th place in the world in terms of living standards from second forty years ago. All one has to do is drive a few hours south to see how this county is really falling behind and the U.S. has struggled too! The prices here are astronomical and with the low wages and very high taxes, especially sales taxes, which really hurt the middle income earners and the poor, living standards are becoming more difficult to maintain, and for the most part have been subsidized only by cheap credit.


Recently a presidential candidate in the U.S. acknowledged that “real” unemployment in that country is 18% to 20%, triple the official rate. This must also be true for Canada. Time to increase immigration and bring in more TFWs! Great policy! Let’s all work for minimum wage (or less, because people are too scared to complain) with no overtime, benefits or holidays! Believe it or not, even the NDP, a supposedly social-democratic party advocates this! 


So people, instead of blaming all your woes on Winnipeg, think again. I agree the winters suck, but they do just about everywhere in Canada! I think they are worse in the East, despite being somewhat milder!

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“Look at what is happening in downtowns across the country: Beautiful condo towers and office buildings are rising in Edmonton, Calgary, Toronto, Montreal, Ottawa, Vancouver. They are vibrant, with people and great restaurants and shopping…downtown Winnipeg still looks the way it did decades ago. Winnipeg is a shithole, and it will be stuck in the 70s forever.

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“I go to Ottawa once a year and there is a lot happening there. Not Calgary level but I see condos (low rise and high rise) being built in a number of areas in and surrounding downtown. Winnipeg is a depressing city. I am an urban dweller, and will move from Winnipeg soon. Lone Wolf, maybe you do not know Winnipeg because all around downtown is run down. Use the boundaries Main, Logan, Sherbrook and Portage and you will see run down houses, industrial wasteland, empty lots, decrepit storefronts. This area needs billions in investment.


So many parts of Winnipeg not only downtown look abandoned. Since downtown is the heart of the city, it is crucial to redevelop it. One stretch that needs investment is Princess from Logan to Notre Dame. So many derelict buildings need cleaning and conversion. With the expansion of the Museum of Man and Nature, what a perfect time to redevelop the McLaren and fill in more lots around the area. Sadly no developer seems to have vision. Winnipeg will always be the butthole of Canada while it is left in the dust by other cities. Sad.

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Social agencies; public money; no private investment; no life on the street other than drunk aboriginals staggering around

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“I’ve been here for 8 years now the people are the meanest on this planet & boy when you get in the roads it like they purposely try and kill you no respect. Why does the licence plate say “Friendly Manitoba” when the people hear don’t even know the meaning of the word. Instead they should replace that slogan with “”Muderous Manitoba” at least that would be the truth

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“Don’t get me started on how useless most of the instructors and directors are at Red River college. DON’T waste your money. If there is one thing I’ve learnt, it’s not what you know it’s who you know with that college.


Take your money to another province and stay there, Winnipeg sucks

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“This city is full of garbage. Go under the MidTown bridge and see the amount of crap down there. But be careful not to wake the person living under there.

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“Manitoba and Winnipeg are backward and unfriendly. Thank you but no thank you.

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“I did time there for a few years, and yes, that is how it felt. People are unfriendly, narrow, mean, and openly racist. Worst six years of my life. They are not used to ‘outsiders’ and why would they be? Who in their right mind would willingly move there?

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“I like your comment and I agree with you 10000%! The place is just a real nightmare! I’m so surprised how unfriendly and narrow mind this place is!

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“Winnipeg is a horrible city to live in.Our transit system is ridiculous.I can’t count how many times I’ve been waiting for a bus,only to have one cruise right on by because it’s completely packed full.Rapid transit,my ass.


I can count on one hand how often I’ve had a bus arrive on time,no joke!.And the people are stuck up and selfish.I can’t wait until I’m in a position to move!.

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“This will be a great day when the Winnipeggers will stop to be unrealistic about their city! Winnipeg is not great! It’s a miserable and backward place!

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“Still a boring and dangerous dumpy place !

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“Say whatever you want, kiddo ! It doesn’t change the fact that Winnipeg is a dumpy, backward and miserable has been city ! A real nightmare !

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“I put my time in Winnipeg for 8 long years . The infrastructure in Winnipeg is 30 years behind. Traffic lights still work off of timers, there are no timed lights. Railroad tracks run throughout the center of the city with no underpasses . It’s impossible to get anywhere quickly. The so call savior called the Perimeter runs so far away from the core of the city that it’s only use is for people trying to avoid the city altogether. The boulevards are unkempt and ugly and the roads are either in disrepair or are always being repaired for literally months. The weather is what it is and there is nothing that will change that. What can be changed never changes. It’s a shame because I heard that at one time years back Winnipeg was supposed to be one of the most forward and modern thinking cities. It’s now considered the biggest hick town in Canada. Whatever politicians that have been in power have made a mess out of a city full of good well intentioned people and potential. I would assume they don’t even reside there anymore themselves after making such a mess of things. I’ll never move back. I’ve been to too many other places and I have the insight to compare. I don’t mean to be negative. I just find it sad that such a forward city is now so backwards and unattractive.

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“So how do these crooks that pillaged a potentially good place get away with This? Is Manitoba amnesty island for politicians? There is a difference between being friendly Manitoba and push overs I hope. Katz was a crook. He declared real estate as his primary residence down south even as he was a Mayor in Winnipeg. So what’s up with that? Higher Taxes to pay for his lawyers?

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(Source: http://www.topix.com/forum/ca/winnipeg-mb/TEV9GQE2NRKHITTCS)

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“There are many places way worse than Winnipeg. There are better places than Winnipeg.”

you forgot to add the “many” in “better places”. there are MANY better places than winnipeg. i find it hilarious that you have to compare winnipeg to a god damn third world country in terms of living. a first grader would obviously know whats a better place to live, try comparing winnipeg to other cities in canada, where its one of the worst cities to live in.

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“One word MURDER CAPITAL. Fact. Oscar_the_grouch’s advice is…use common sense and avoid winnipeg, take the perimiter when travelling past the city. oh yah.

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“Please…. Winnipeg is the shithole of Canada and everyone knows this.

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“winnipeg is a small shithole city,the north end is all about murder,winter’s are long and cold -40ish to -50ish…I can go on and on..lol

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“i lived in winnipeg till i got a job in calgary and moved about a year and a half ago, the last year has been pretty much the best year of my life. I feel sad for the people who are to stupid to leave winnipeg. Please leave there, you will thank yourself for leaving every day like i do.

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“I F ing hate this city, will move as soon as possible. Can’t because I own a business. Its boring and has the most depressing negative vibe. I was just in Mexico (a third world country) and felt safer, the infrastructure was in better shape, and people friendlier. All trip over a drunk bum daily and just want to kick them in the face. The NDP government is a joke, wants a construction labourer to get paid $21/hr. Double what a broom pusher gets paid in other cities. Terrible drivers, rude people with no drive. I could go on and on. If you can leave run, don’t look back. Most people born here just don’t realize how much better any other city in Canada is. RUN, GO, RUN.

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“Winnipeg is a hell hole. Those that like it should be working oon the next propaganada ” Why we love Winnipeg” program. I have never met so many a-holes in my life like here and the drivers are idiots.

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“winnipeg is like a disease, it sucks but you just cant seem to shake it. “the devil you know” is an apt phrase.

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“Winnipeg sucks cause behind calgary it is the most RACIEST province in canada. If your of colour or native, your in trouble. The justice system favers the white and punishes that nonwhite. I guess its easier to faver those who look like you and vilify those who dont. I am a person of colour and I grew up in winnipeg. My friends told me it was like this but stupid me said No! No!. Over the past few years I now see the truth about this hole. Winnipeg and calgary are canadas version of the U.S south. The only difference is in the south tey tell you to your face and here it’s hidden.

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“Bottom line, winnipeg is a shithole and should be wiped clean from the ass of the planet, manitoba

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“Winnipeg is the intestines of Canada.

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“Anyone that likes Winnipeg needs to get a mental assessment. Seriously this place is a big time toilet. I have never met so many a-holes, bad drivers and walking zombies in my life. Any time I leave the city I am reminded what normal people are like. Idiots still chant ” Go Jets GO” how pathetic and the roads. Stop with the propaganda as well like ” Spirited Energy” what kind of BS is that. Why in the world do I need to be told why I need to like a place. Oh yeah Manitoba Home coming major event ” Biggest Social” This place is a bad joke as soon as I can I am outta here and won’t miss the a-holes and anything about this hell hole.

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“Well here is the interesting point you brought up. They made the public believe that because of the cold the roads are bad here yet you go to Grand Forks and the roads are excellent. So much for the typical Winnipeg brainwash BS, The roads are bad because you have people in power who don’t care they just want there pay checks. I worked in the city and know this to be true. This city is a toilet. Oh yeah come here in the Winter so many lazy a-holes don’t shovel there side walks. One Great city my ass. This place is a bad joke.

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“Winnipeg is a shithole. It is a city filled with low wage ignorant, scared low-mid level bureaucrat types. As well as a healthy dose of non-english speaking immigrants to clean their houses and wash laundry. There are no new buildings in Winnipeg everything is old and falling apart. Anyone with a brain gets the hell out and never goes back. All thats left is losers to stupid or too scared to leave.

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“Hahahahaha… So the ’50 year’ rainstorm has forced boil water advisories across Winnipeg. How fitting as Winnipeg is Canadas very own Third World city.. So as the “100 year flood” seems to be happening every 10 years or so now.. I guess we can expect a “50 year rainstorm” every couple of weeks then? LMAO… 

Now that the arctic winter is over.. The big pile of dust and muck and slop that is spring is well underway in Canadas Third World Metropolis. They can now look forward to a malaria epidemic this summer with all the still water from the rains breeding deadly mosquito hordes……lololol…  

Oh wait.. they can battle that by pumping millions of gallons of cancer causing insecticide into the lungs of all the citizens and especially the children to prevent it.. maybe.. But at the least It adds to the toxic cocktail leftover in the water table from the floods.. mmm mmmmm good! 


And people wonder why its so cheap to live in Canadas very own Third World Metropolis.

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“Winnipeg lacks class and culture it tries to pretend it is a real city but it is a toilet. World Cup is on and most cities have cultural events here the big story is the all you can eat Buffet.

Spend some time in any other major city in Canada and you will come to learn how classless and how many redneck morons live in Winnipeg.

I am amazed how many walking zombies live here. I have never met so many dumb ignorant people as here the only people that I have met who have any ability to hold a conversation are not from Winnipeg originally. 


Look at the foreigners wives eyes they are sad because they despise this place and wish to go back to a normal place.

Winnipeg sucks with or without a NHL team. Can’t wait to get out of this toilet.

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 “Winnipeg is the worst city in Canada! and yes, before you tell me to leave…that is what I am going to do. Winnipeg has nothing to offer. it is rude, negative and very unfriendly.

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“The number one past time in Winterpig Murdertoba is petty gossip. No one with half a brain stays there unless they were born there. I’ve been stuck in this hole so long…thank God I can afford to move VERY SOON HALLA F’n LUJAH!!!!!!!!!! Get me the f outta here!!!!!! Even traveling kids and sq bums say people are rude and snoopy …and there’s too much crime and the locals rip off like mad

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“Yup This play is creepy as well. I have never met so many weirdos in my life as I have here. Most people look and walk like zombies. There are good people but oddly enough they were not born here. I agree firecracker I have never met so many rude and snoopy people in my life as here. Plus the energy here is messed up I know people who moved here and there wives started to lose there minds and in order to save the marriages they had to move right away because they knew this place is bizarre. It also seems like when people come travel here they get robbed how many times have you read int he paper that someone from X was visiting and got robbed and these are the ones they are willing to type about. I wonder what kind of propaganda BS “I love Winnipeg” campaign they will come up with next. The politicians here are greasy and dirty. Look at the mayor he is a bad joke.

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“Winnipeg is evil. The vibe here is bizarre and twisted. I have never met so many people who are alcaholics, needing any reason to drink or so many people on anti-depressents. 

I know of people who moved here from other cities and within a couple of years the wife starts to go bananas.

She knows this is place is messed up that is why so many get drunk here whenever they can it is the only way they can stand this place. It is a toilet.

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 “Yeah great mayor who is running for relection lol


Wow…busy weekend for the Peg….

* Man shot on Main Street in Winnipeg
* Human head found in water at The Forks
* Shots fired near downtown Winnipeg
* 3 men stabbed in Winnipeg

 Winnipeg is the detroit of Canada. They have a moron of a mayor who just looks after his buddies while the toilet keeps getting bigger.

Oh yeah gotta love the mosquitos.
One Great city all right. lol
Can’t wait to get out of this ring of hell you have to be crazy to think this is “One Great city”.
Or your drunk like most Peggers like to get.

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“Murder capital, car theft capital, poverty capital, etc. Yes – Winnipeg is the assh*le of Canada and to all those Peggers who’s comebacks are “if you don’t like it then leave”, maybe you should try leaving the suburbs and see what’s really going down. The crime is spreading and soon enough it will be at your front door, then maybe you will shut the f*ck up and admit the problems are real! Your chances of being knifed are pretty damb high, or worse yet having your loved one killed by a stolen speeding car! You can’t go downtown, to the north end the Detroit of Canada, the west end with it’s shotgun wielding thugs, trashcona the druggy neighborhood, and the list keeps growing. The city is filthy and there are tons of racists of every ethnicity here. Hick city!

***

“Winnipeg is Canada’s Bogan (google it) Capital. Bogan sums it all up and says it all about this city!

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“Yup Winnipeg Sucks the life out of most people that is why so many people eat and drink so much it is to hide the feelings of emptiness. So many morons live here amazing.

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“I’m shocked! Winnipeg has ‘everything’ going for it; the list is too long to post but I’ll start with:


(1) Robins at the corner of Selkirk and Salter; great place to enjoy a coffee and watch degenerates roaming the street and hitting up on teen prostitutes.


(2) the cross walk immediately south of Thunderbird House on Main Street; great place to watch bulbous-nosed degenerates roaming the streets, bumping off walls, looking to hit up someone / anyone for some change….


(3) the ‘hood’ bounded by King, Dufferin, Flora and Robinson; great place to get murdered, beaten, robbed, propositioned, yelled at, shot at, etc. City Bread at King and Dufferin makes the best honey Bran, rye and pumpernickle bread on the entire planet. Don’t be in that area after dark.


(4) need to score some [insert most favourite drug]; go to Portage Place or the streets surrounding it. There you will find a good mix of drug dealers, degenerates, beggars, and those morons who wear a 2-sizes-too-small baseball cap sideways on their head (what is the purpose of that – they look so f’in stupid words escape the feeling that rages through me when I see one of those morons…..


(5) someone please continue, I’m going to lose it thinking about the morons who wear a 2-sizes-too-small baseball cap sideways on their head. I need to step outside and scream…….

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“I recently visited Winnipeg and left with one really troubling question, what do you citizens do for leisure?


I mean you have virtually no natural beauty. The lakes in Whiteshell are beautiful, but again, what about Winnipeg?

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“All the aforementioned cities have violence, true, but you still have to wake up in Winnipeg.

It’s an absolutely terrible city and I really feel sorry for the people who live there. What an absolute waste of a life.

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“If I was retarded…and raised on a farm.. Winnipeg would still be a hole

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“Eh Rita, shut the f*ck up! No one cares about your annual income or your “hard” life, we all have a load to carry! Not everyone has a job like yours so what’s your point? That somehow with a high income we can move to the suburbs and ignore the crime spilling out of the North and West end? Go take a walk in other neighborhoods on your next coffee break, preferably Selkirk & Redwood – if you don’t get your “high-end” ass kicked then maybe you’ve got a point. Until then just keep hiding in your false sense of security. And my points were valid – crime capital, poverty capital, car theft capital – ALL FACTS! Your comebacks are weak, are you an Asper by any chance? Living in a f*cken bubble are we?

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“There isn’t really a “high end” in Winnipeg. It’s a low-income city in a have-not province chock-full of social problems.

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“Kevin, there are those of us “living” here who are trying to escape. A few good restaurants, a pathetic zoo with one animal, and some good music do not cancel out the auto theft and the crappy weather that makes Winnipeg into the laughingstock of North America. The winter makes people bitter, reclusive and nasty. During the tiny window between the winter and the onslaught of cankerworms and mosquitoes as big as my elbow, people are actually pleasant. Then the poison-spraying starts.

There’s a reason that the refrain in that famous song is “I HATE WINNIPEG.” Not “I LOVE PARIS IN THE SPRINGTIME.” Not “I LEFT MY HEART IN SAN FRANCISCO.” Lolol.

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 “Prison life would be easier than Winnipeg life..

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“Not it isn’t Canada at all. I lived in Toronto, my friend from Winnipeg suggested to come and live here, just to try it out, because it is “cheap”. I had no choice due to financial situation I have been living in Peg for 5 years now. Guess what, I am leaving in 4 months. No way will I ever go back to this disgusting, stupid, backwards shithole city. This city is thriving on nepotism where if you know someone, you get the job, regardless of your skills or experience. Winnipeg is one big Mennonite family with rich pockets. It is a closed circle of society here, someone wrote about socials, it’s a big thing here. God knows why you want to wonder to someone else’s socials all the time. Also, it’s not even as cheap here anymore. It’s almost getting close to Toronto. My brother leaves in downtown Toronto and he pays 1200 in rent. Compare it to a 1100 bucks 1 bedroom in downtown Winnipeg, a nice apartment though. I came here 5 years ago, 2 bedroom was 600 bucks in a great area, now it is 1000!!!! What? For this price, I’d go back to Toronto, and don’t tell me it’s cheap here because it ain’t!


The only thing that is cheaper here is probably university, and even that is rising exponentially. The only thing winnipegers seem to brag about is that there is a lot of restaurants here. And ????? Guess what assholes, there are restaurants all over the world. Many of them. Why Winnipeg is so special? It isn’t! I am glad I will be leaving this stupid inbred city, the only thing good about this city was the fact that it taught me how to avoid potholes and crackheads. If you don’t know what I am talking about, try catching a bus after 5-6 pm in downtown. shitholepeg.

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“I work for manitoba tourism so don’t worry I will tell you the truth about how great this city and province are. Don’t worry no crime, poverty, corrupt officials, pot hole ridden streets, sewers that are rotting, 6 months of cold winters, filth all through the streets, mosquitos or a downtown that is cull of addicts but hey I will continue to tell you the truth on how great Manitoba is.

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“I enjoyed reading your white trash comment, made me laugh. Butr in all seriousess. Winnipeg i and always will be a hole… the wprst place I have ever been by far and I have been travelling around the worls fro the past 10 years.. If someone held a gun to my head and said I either had to stay in Winnipeg or die.. I wouldn’t be staying in Winnipeg.. Fuck me anyone that has to live there deserfves a medal.. Go to Austrllia and you will soon realize what a sad boring and pahetic life living in Winnipeg really is. Shame really coz there’s great people living there.

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“I was born and raised in this fair city,,,,I left it for 18 years and came back thinking it had changed,,,,oooooo was I ever wrong! The city itself can’t control the weather, the geography, or the humans who inhabit it, those are part of every city’s nature, neither good nor bad. What’s wrong with Winnipeg is the people who inhabit this location on the globe. Hatred and ill will is a common theme, and pleasure seems to only be derived from the diminishment of other human beings, cities, cultures and structures anywhere on earth, including this city’s. I got back here 20 months ago with great dreams of properly using investor’s $ to build and prosper a business, but within 30 days of arrival I’d learned how blind I’d been to the reality of life here, not one person has answered my question of why a human being should consider Winnipeg as a city of potential happy human life on earth, not one!….now I’m near bankrupt because I refuse to invest $1 of another person’s money in this city!!! I am very convinced that the second holocaust will begin here and the best investment would be in a Zyclon-C factory. If one isn’t white, related to a Winnipegger, blue-collar, and heterosexual,,,,you are a target for the aryan hatred that this city thrives on. Left wing and right wing politics work the same here,,,hatred thrives on hatred.


If plans work out, I should be out of here by December,,,,should it appear I would have to remain in Winnipeg for the next 20 years, I’d certainly think of suicide as a viable alternative. 


Again,,,I’ve only been asking Winnipeggers themselves about the city,,,,if you don’t live here or have never lived here, your comments are based on ignorance.

***

“I’m afraid I have to disagree with you, Rita. I moved away more than a year ago and I have yet to say to myself I don’t like where I live. While the transition has been uphill at times, I don’t find myself walking down the street constantly reaffirming how much I hate the city I live in like I used to in Winnipeg. I knew once I left that place, that yes, I would be happier and I am. Why? Because I’m not constantly encountering lugans and animals, there is a great sense of community and pride where I live, it’s safe to walk down the streets after dark, there are parks with functioning water fountains, REAL bicycle lanes, REAL rapid transit in the form of a modern subway system that I won’t have to wait 20+ years to use, affordable food and housing, beautiful women, great architecture, fewer pickup trucks, people with class and manners, warmer winter temps, and the list goes on. Winnipeg is the opposite of all those things, so yes, moving somewhere else CAN make one happier.

***

“Winnipeg sucks is the truth, but what does it mean to suck in Winnipeg. 

To suck here means: 

1) Monopolizing half the businesses between 5 different local crap to work for companies, so if you don’t like one place, working at another means still working for the same jackass… that sucks ! 


2) Prairie farmer architecture with a mix of extreme right wing fascist designs, definitely sucks and is most of Winnipeg. Ex the kid playground at the Forks is a perfect example of police state prairie farmer architecture, in a small space which is a bunch of tepees and crap there are 28 omni cams of big brothers, teaching your children that being watch ever step is normal. THAT SUCKS !!! 


3) The weather -40 c to +40 c and then there is the flooding rains, no spring, no fall, just damn clod to damn hot. That sucks ! 


4) Winnipeggers are so uneducated that they think higher learning was a movie only ! Trying to have an intelligent conversation is out… That sucks !!! 


5) Inbreeding… That sucks !!!  


6) Cheap people looking for a deal, what is this a Vietnam market… try to get paid what you are worth and boss becomes a haggling old Chinese women looking for the best price on rice. That sucks !!! 


7) Streets are falling apart, that sucks ! 


8) Rapid Transit is a monkey peddling a bus down the street, not rapid, that sucks !!! 

9) Nah-dere boy… anywayz !!! That sucks !!!! 

10) Entertainment is going up garbage hill drinking a beer and rolling down, weeeee… that sucks !!!! All-in-all Winnipeg sucks !

***

 “City of inbreds

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 “Winnipeg is a dump get over it!

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“If Vancouver is the head and Halifax is the toe then that

makes Winnipeg the ass ho.
Rampant gang violence is the norm.
Home of the barricade creep.
City of tiny ass hoes

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“Vancouver isn’t the head of anything, more like a festering tumour. It’s a foreign city on Canadian soil. Most people are poor and young people have standards of living equivalent to those in Mexico and face a grim future of struggling to find a roommate to share a 1 bedroom apartment.

***

“The Peg is an armpit

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“Winnipeg is what happens when cousins marry and have kids.

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“Lived here all my life. Yes indeed winnipeg should be called SHITHOLEPEG!

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“Take a good look ! This city is a dump ! What a joke !

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“Yes Winnipeg sucks! Winnipeg is a dump! Open your eyes!

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(Source: http://www.topix.com/forum/ca/winnipeg-mb/TSQAJTTGLVEHEMC6D)

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“I have lived all over canada and I have been here 6 months and I have never seen a bigger shithole than Winnipeg in my entire life. The only good thing about winnipeg is that it is cheap.

The winters are brutal, the summers are hot, muggy and invested with mosquitos. Most people who visit this city for the first time remark how ugly,dirty, and run down it is.

The vast majority of people who love it here grew up here and do not know any better. Simply put this city is a cess pool of shit, piss, and vomit. New people have fun- Ha Ha Ha

***

“Winnipeg has some very notable qualities: Rudness, snoopiness, and boorishness. Cheers Winterpeg!

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“If you weren’t born here or haven’t gone to kindergarten with the other bullies and morons you won’t fit in here. No wonder there are so many gangs! They have a gang mentality. You can’t be individual here, you can in Calgary though. Racism is rampant, on the other hand, political correctness is rampant too! What a s*** hole!!!

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“I’m 17 years old and I have grown up in this shit hole called Winnipeg. I still live there though and I hate every goddamn minute of it!


The only people who like it here are people over 50, farmers or people with no lives who actually like doing the same thing every day! living here is like being stuck in the movie Ground hog day when the guy repeats the same day over and over again. Teenagers, young single people and couples will not like it here at all! there is nothing to do and it sucks.

Now I know Rachel or some other ass hole is going to post something like “You shouldn’t say that” but try living here for more then oh say, 6 months to a year then we will see what you think! do say a thing until you know what it’s like to live here!

***

 “It is the sh*t hole of Canada. The only ones who don’t agree are redneck, slob, ignorant, rude, farting, belching, sneaky, mean, trecherous people who were born here and probably will stay in this hole all their miserable lives.

***

“Speaking of people paid by taxpayers money — yes, this is a wicked city. What surprises me is that it took so long for Winnipeg’s finest to finally off some poor bugger with a tazer — finally happened yesterday. Cops are creeps in Winterpeg, beating poor youth, scruffy people, and ignoring real dirt bags — drug dealers. What heros. I wonder if cops get free coffee from merchants in Osborne village for their cowardly and brutal action!

***

“Why are the people in Winnipeg so ignorant and rude? It seems like the pastime here is staring and gawking at others. It reminds me of that movie,’Night of the Living Dead’..creepy man! When people are so unfriendly they don’t talk to strangers but yet stare and gawk..especially I notice they stare at immigrants and mentally challenged persons or anyone even a little different. I feel sorry for people who have to face that crap from these morons in Winterpig. How unclutured and offensive, yet know one thinks anything of it… They should all take a Dale Carnegie course to learn to act like human beings with respect and manners. Did you notice the spit all over the bus shelter windows? I just hope the *ssholes here don’t move to my hometown of Calgary! Thank God I am only here temporarily!

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“i’m not joking winnipeg is like that, they call it ‘people watching’ I call it “if I had a gun, we’d have a little run and fun. I knew i wasn’t imagining that bull shit, we should be cow-town on account of all the stinking bull shit see

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“I ended up in winnipeg for university, and winnipegers made me hate their town. If you are not a boy from the neighborghood, good luck! The last time any winnpeger has probably made a new friend (and I mean FRIEND) has been perhaps high school. Outsiders who were not born and bred in winnipeg will never make their way into a circle of winnipegers. I work with a bunch of supposedly professioanl winnipegers: they have zero social skills in attracting an outsider and making them feel at home (in thier new home in winnipeg). If you are more successful than a winnipeger in a similar job, they will hate you for that. And they have no shame in showing thier jelousy. Yet, they think we non-Manitobans are too dull to get it! I tried so hard for 2-3 years to make myself fit in amongst my winnipeger coworkers, and alas any luck. I have therefore given up on them. I am counting down the days of my calender, looking forward to the day that I will be leaving winnipeg for ever. And to cherrish themselves, they claim people like me leave winnipeg because of their cold weather. I leave winnipeg because of its cold, self-centered, jelous people. I will never return and will never look behind. The “friendly Manitoba” on their licence plates is a joke!!. Or maybe they mean they are freindly to their manitoban palls!


In my profession I have worked with many people across the country: my winnipeger colleagues are amongst the least knowledgeable ones, and yet they have not insight to it. They think they are the best in the country. Therefore, never even try to improve their pathetic status. For the same reason,, they hate successful non-Manitobans who may stirr some competition in their GREAT HOME TOWN. Maybe they have poor social manners deliberately to repel their better colleagues. 


You want to learn about winnipegers, just observe thier driving attitude: very rude and inconsiderate of anybody else on the road. If you need to change a lane, you need to wait until cows come back home, because no other driver will ever have the courtesy. I can no longer count how many winnipegr drivers have waved at me their middle finger when I was driving cautiosly on their icy winter roads to avoid any accident. This has never happened to me in any other town in Canada for a driver to show me his/her middle finger!(so much for thier culture).

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(Source: http://www.topix.com/forum/ca/winnipeg-mb/T0IMADEI7CPP6LHQI)

See: Winnipeg Rants (part two)

Thunder Bay

Alright, let’s get it over with. Time to discuss the shit hole known as Thunder Bay. It’s a small city in northern Ontario with a population of just under 100,000 people, or a little over if you include the Census Metropolitan Area (CMA).

Thunder Bay is principally known for its racism and redneck population. Roughly 10% of TB residents identify as Aboriginal. Another 9% are immigrants – but all European.

Fun Times


In 2015, almost a third of anti-Indigenous hate crimes were from Thunder Bay. In 2017 its MP stated publicly she was not at all surprised about its “appalling” hate crimes rate. It has the highest per-capita hate crimes rate in the country, nearly 6x the national average. This stretches
back to 2013 when it had the highest hate-crimes rate, tripling the average of big cities like Vancouver and Toronto, followed closely by other northern Ontario cities and of course Ottawa.

Aboriginal women being raped by white men and even police officers is an occurrence heard of repeatedly. Aboriginal men risk being beaten to a pulp by white residents and then thrown in the river. Aboriginals often deal with name calling in public and have garbage and other items thrown at them.


In a racist incident from January, a First Nations woman had a trailer hitch thrown at her, causing internal injuries which later killed her. As if this weren’t enough, the woman’s sister and her children were forced to leave the city after being targeted for abuse and death threats, including: “These white kids telling my kids that they are going to be the next ones found in the river or get a trailer hitch thrown at them.”


Presumably the children are referring to the spate of Aboriginal teenagers found floating dead in the Thunder Bay river, which Chiefs have demanded answers about.


In 2015, Thunder Bay was considered the murder capital of Canada based on the previous year’s statistics, a title it held again for 2016 murders, and again in 2017.


So aside from all that, what else have we got? A small northern city with the typical terrible Canadian weather and horrific winters; an incredibly boring, divided place (if locals’ rants are to be believed).


In 2017 the Thunder Bay police chief had charges brought against him, while the Mayor and others were charged with extortion. (The chief was later acquitted, the other trials are still pending.) 


In 2018, the police admitted to racism in its force and civilian service while issuing an apology. (In consequence of an investigation by the Ontario Police Watchdog.)

I just don’t have the energy to continue pummeling this shit hole. So if you ever get stuck going there, what is there to do? The “attractions” listed here constitute the following:

-Looking at a piece of concrete (Terry Fox “memorial”)

Several parks and farms (outdoors stuff)
A Cheese Farm
A crappy little museum
A casino
Shops and the like you’d find in any town …

Want to travel nearby? How about going to Winnipeg – a mere 596 km/370 miles away! Maybe Windsor at 832 kms/517 miles, or London, ON at 864 km/536 miles away? 


HAVE FUN! O Canada! 


RCMP Overview: Missing & Murdered Aboriginal Women

I would like access to the full report (not just the overview) but this will have to do for now.

LINK / PDF  (Quotes below)

Summary:

“Police-recorded incidents of Aboriginal female homicides and unresolved missing Aboriginal females in this review total 1,181 – 164 missing and 1,017 homicide victims.

There are 225 unsolved cases of either missing or murdered Aboriginal females: 105 missing for more than 30 days as of November 4, 2013, whose cause of disappearance was categorized at the time as “unknown” or “foul play suspected” and 120 unsolved homicides between 1980 and 2012.

The total indicates that Aboriginal women are over-represented among Canada’s murdered and missing women.

There are similarities across all female homicides. Most homicides were committed by men and most of the perpetrators knew their victims — whether as an acquaintance or a spouse.

The majority of all female homicides are solved (close to 90%) and there is little difference in solve rates between Aboriginal and non-Aboriginal victims.”

Information sourcing:

“What this project did differently was to supplement publicly available data with a comprehensive extract of information from law enforcement holdings from across all police jurisdictions in Canada. This fills a significant gap.”

“The RCMP has almost completed cross-referencing the data it collected from police records with NWAC and Dr. Pearce’s research. Reconciliation to date has been valuable in establishing these findings and improving police record data quality.”

“The total of missing Aboriginal females was based primarily on a report of all women listed as missing for more than 30 days across all police jurisdictions on the Canadian Police Information Centre (CPIC) system as of November 4, 2013.”


Violence against Aboriginal women:

“They are at a higher risk of being victims of violence than non-Aboriginal females … 

The rate of victimization among Aboriginal females was close to three times higher than that of non-Aboriginal females.”

 “… there were 164 missing Aboriginal females as of November 4, 2013. They make up approximately 11.3% of the total number of missing females (1,455 total).”

[4.3% of female population = 11.3% of missing females]

Police estimates for the missing women:

Uknown = 61 / Foul Play = 44 / Accident = 45 / Lost or wandered off = 12 / Runaway = 2

Between 1980 – 2012:

“There were 1,017 Aboriginal female victims of homicide during this period, which represents roughly 16% of all female homicides — far greater than their representation in Canada’s female population as described above.”

Stats: 

“The number of Aboriginal female victims of homicide has remained relatively constant while the number of non-Aboriginal female victims has been declining.”

 “Aboriginal women accounted for 8% of female victims in 1984 as compared to 23% in 2012.” (They attribute this to the decrease of non-aboriginal female homicides)

“The Aboriginal female homicide rate per 100,000 population dropped from 7.60 to 4.45 between 1996 and 2011.”


Cause of Death:

Beating: Aboriginal women, approximately one-third 32% / Non-Aboriginal: 17%

Stabbing: Aboriginal 31%, / Non-Aboriginal: 27%

Shooting: Aboriginal 16% /Non-Aboriginal 26%

Strangled/Suffocated/Drowned: Aboriginal 13% / Non-Aboriginal: 22%

(They say further research needs to be done to understand differences.)

Location of killing is relatively the same except non-Aboriginal women are more likely to be killed at home, while Aboriginal women are twice as likely to be killed in an ‘open area’.


Related Criminality:

“Other assault” and “sexual assault” offences more likely to occur in Aboriginal murders.

Interestingly:

“It should be noted that only a small proportion of Aboriginal female homicides (approximately 2%) were described by investigators as linked to the drug trade or gang or organized crime activity.”

Offenders:

Relationship stats are generally the same, except non-Aboriginal women are more likely to be killed by a spouse, and Aboriginal women are more likely to be killed by an acquaintance. 

89% of the women’s killers (all groups) were male, no surprise there.

Offenders killing Aboriginal women more likely to have a criminal record, less likely to be employed and more likely to be on social assistance or disability. They were also more likely to have consumed some intoxicant substance.

They are less likely to have a mental disorder (10%) compared to NAF offenders (20%).

“The most frequent motive in Aboriginal female homicides was “argument or quarrel” representing 40% of all incidents (compared to 23% for non-Aboriginal females).”

“The data collected indicates that police solve almost 9 of every 10 female homicides, regardless of victim origin (88% for Aboriginal female homicides, 89% for non-Aboriginal female homicides). Other factors, such as victim involvement in certain occupations, may reduce the chance their murder will be solved.”


Risk Factors

Aboriginal women are less likely to be employed, more likely to be on a form of assistance, and more likely to support themselves through ‘illegal means’ (by 10%).

Aboriginal women are more likely to have consumed an intoxicating substance before death (63% to 20% for NAF).


Sex trade:

“Aboriginal female homicide victims involved was slightly higher than that of non-Aboriginal female homicide victims — 12% versus 5% respectively — which are both relatively small components of the available population.  

As a result, it would be inappropriate to suggest any significant difference in the prevalence of sex trade workers among Aboriginal female homicide victims as compared to non-Aboriginal female homicide victims.”

(How disappointing for all the rednecks who claimed the vast majority of these women were prostitutes and therefore ‘did it to themselves’!)

Aboriginal women being slightly double NAF in the sex trade is worth noting, but hardly significant in terms of overall missing and murdered indigenous women. (There’s also no indication of the general number of NAF in prostitution). Even if we account for offenders being Johns, what of the others?

Then we come to the RCMP “efforts” to be implemented, to summarize:

–  Partnering with local and municipal forces for unresolved cases
– “Prevention efforts” aka targeting high risk communities
– “Increasing public awareness”


Here’s my favorite bit for ‘Strengthening the Data’:

“To continue to ensure there is solid data available for operational decision-making and to ensure RCMP members record the most relevant information possible for Statistics Canada, the RCMP will roll out changes to how it collects data on homicides and missing persons. As a result of this project, the RCMP will ensure that Aboriginal origin is captured as part of Homicide Surveys.”

You mean it hasn’t been up to this time? 

Another gold bit:

“Second, the use of the term “Aboriginal” as a descriptor has different definitions in the different data sources that make up this research project. For example, CPIC captures Aboriginal as an “ethnicity” whereas Statistics Canada’s official position is that “Aboriginal” is not an ethnicity but rather an origin. Where possible, the above report attempts to use Statistics Canada compliant language.”


And that’s it. That is the end of the overview. Here is what I take away from this:

1) I basically learned nothing and the five minutes I spent reading a quick Statistics Canada page (for the last post on this topic) was just as enlightening in much less time.

2) We still don’t know why Aboriginal women are being killed at a higher rate, and there’s no real attempt to pinpoint a cause. With such a small percentage in the sex trade, what about the others?

3) I am left with the same conclusion as my last post: are the “acquaintances” Aboriginal or not? That will explain the discrepancy.

4) The only thing you can really gather from this overview is that a bunch of drunk, unemployed losers, on welfare and disability, are getting pissed off and into “arguments” with Aboriginal women and then beating them to death.

Really? That’s it? A bunch of pathetic slobs getting drunk and killing Native women?


Here is what cakers have said: it’s their own family members killing them (not true). That turned into: it’s their own boyfriends and husbands (turns out less than NAFs). Then: they were all prostitutes (again not true).

How can they be 4% of the female population yet over 10% of the missing women? How can they be 4% of the population, yet account for 10-16% of the murders (up to 23%)? Especially when they are less likely to be killed by a spouse or family member than NAF? Why are they most likely to be killed in Yukon or Saskatchewan (with a white majority population)?

Does it all boil down to some loser leeches who feel big by treading on their “inferiors”? Who are these fat grease-stained slobs anyway? Aboriginal? White? Other?

I really don’t feel that I’ve come away with any answers from this. I did get to read some stats and look at some fancy charts though.


Post Script:

Why won’t the RCMP answer The Toronto Star’s questions?

RCMP won’t comment on discrepancies in the Missing Database (Globe & Mail)

Timeline of bigotry in Canada


1830s

The first Residential Schools are established for Aboriginals. 

1834

Slavery is abolished in Canada.

1880

Chinese workers brought in to help build the Canadian Pacific Railway. They are not given the same rights or pay as their fellow white workers. 

1885

Canadian government imposes a “head tax” of $50 on the Chinese to deter further immigration. Fifty years later it would be raised to $100. 

This earns the government the equivalent of a billion dollars in today’s currency.

1872

British Columbia disenfranchises the Chinese. (They would add the Japanese and East Indian later.)

1876

The ‘Indian Act‘ is passed. In order to apply for enfranchisement an Aboriginal must be a university graduate or pass a three year probation period demonstrating ‘assimilation’ (effectively disqualifying any).

1895

BC legislature disenfranchises the Japanese.

1899

Immigration Branch: “It is not desired that any Negro immigrants should arrive in Western Canada . . . or that such immigration should be promoted by our agents.”

1903

The Chinese head tax is raised to $500. 

1907

BC legislature disenfranchises East Indians 

Race riots in Vancouver: white residents attack Chinese and Japanese sectors of the city.

1908

Saskatchewan disenfranchises the Chinese. 

1911

Western Canada commissioner of Immigration offers the medical inspector a fee for every black applicant he rejects. 

The Federal Cabinet passes an order: “for a period of one year from and after the date hereof, the landing in Canada shall be and the same is prohibited of any immigrant belonging to the Negro race, which race is deemed unsuitable to the climate and requirements of Canada.”  (It is not implemented and later repealed.)

1912

Saskatchewan  passes the ‘Female Employment Act’: a law restricting Oriental men from hiring white women. Similar laws were later passed by Manitoba, Ontario and British Columbia.

Ontario tries to assimilate Franco-Ontarians by banning the French language in Francophone schools.

1914

The ship ‘Komagata Maru’ attempts to disembark in Vancouver. It is carrying 400 East Indians and passengers from Asia. It is parked at the Harbour for eight weeks while three riots carry on; people die and the military intervenes. 

Chinese and Japanese students are segregated from white students in British Columbia. 

1916

During the beginning of the First World War minorities were not wanted for enlistment. By mid 1916 Blacks were allowed to enlist if they served in segregated units; Aboriginals were placed in labor units.

Women in Manitoba are given the right to vote. Only men were granted full citizenship; women wouldn’t obtain it until the end of the 19th century. Later they are granted voting rights in Saskatchewan and Alberta (note: white women).

1917

Women in British Columbia and then Ontario are granted the right to vote.

1918

White women over the age of 21 are given the right to vote in federal elections.

Women in Nova Scotia are granted the right to vote. 

1919

Quebec Court rules it is legal to segregate blacks in theaters. According to the Chief Justice: “Racial discrimination is not contrary to the public order or morality of Canada.”

Women in New Brunswick are given the right to vote. 

1920

British Columbia restricts fishing licenses for Japanese-Canadians.

Jews face discrimination in employment, as well as restrictions and quotas in the school sector and hospitals.

Chinese people are barred from certain jobs, some by law: pharmacies, provincial and municipal contracts, legal system.

1922

Women in Prince Edward Island are granted the right to vote.

1923

Having been unable to deter Chinese immigration through the ‘head tax’, Canada passes the “Chinese Immigration Act” essentially excluding all Chinese people from entering Canada. 

Meanwhile, European immigrants are being paid to settle on lands seized from Aboriginal people.

1924

Ontario Court decides that it is within the law to refuse to serve a black customer.

Unions agree to lower minimum wages for “Oriental” workers.

British Columbia passes minimum wage laws that do not apply to Chinese workers.

1925

Women in Newfoundland are given the right to vote. 

1929

Administrators at McGill University use discriminatory criteria in choosing students in an attempt to limit the amount of Jewish pupils.

“The Person’s Case”: the legal definition of a “person” is changed to include women for the first time.

1930s

Restrictive quotas are placed on Jewish students for many Canadian colleges and universities.

Chinese men are not accepted into ‘government relief camps’ alongside unemployed white men; in 3 years over 130 would starve to death.

1935: ‘Christie Pits’ riot in Toronto: members of the Swastika Club fight Jewish students and factory workers; vandalizing Jewish shops and assaulting Jews in their neighborhoods. 

1939: Supreme Court of Canada rules that racial discrimination is legally enforceable. (This was the result of a Montreal business owner refusing to serve a Black customer)

Jewish-German refugees aboard the ship M.S. St. Louis are denied entry into Canada.

Black volunteers are rejected for the military effort.

In Alberta and New Brunswick, black students are denied access to “white” schools. 

In B.C. Asian school children are segregated; this is legal due to racist restrictions attached to leasing property or ownership deeds. 

1940

A ‘special committee on Orientals’ in British Columbia decides to exclude Chinese and Japanese men from the armed forces due to ‘hostility’ from whites. A few years later East Indians were restricted from conscription unless they assimilated to Anglo practices.

Women are granted the right to vote in Quebec.

Italian-Canadians and communists are sent to internment camps in Alberta, then later New Brunswick. 

1942 

Japanese Canadians in the west coast are interned in camps. Two years later Japanese citizens were disenfranchised by the federal government in any place that did not have preexisting laws. 

Prime minister King justifies this by claiming it would make no sense for Japanese to have voting rights in Ontario if there are none in B.C. 

1948

East Indian, Chinese, and Japanese are finally granted the right to citizenship and voting.

1952

Inuit people are granted the right to vote legally. In practice, it’s nearly worthless as they are in the Arctic and ballot boxes are not available to their communities until 1962.

In the 1950s residential schools are established for the Inuit in the north. 

1960

Aboriginal people are granted the right to vote by the federal government. 

1964

Ontario school rules regarding segregation for Blacks are withdrawn, the last “Black school” in the province closes a year later.

1970s

Government begins to close Aboriginal Residential Schools across the country.

1983

Last segregated school in Nova Scotia closes

1996

The last residential school closes in Saskatchewan. 

Canadians aren’t sorry for genocide: ‘Intentions were good’

When reading the book ‘Hidden from History‘ I came across one of its most salient points: although Canadians acknowledge “mistakes” were made in the process of dealing with Aboriginals, they don’t apologize for the acts of colonization, internment, and cultural destruction themselves.

“… what Indian Affairs Superintendent Duncan Scott referred to as “The Final Solution of our Indian Problem” in 1910 –the legal eradication of Aboriginals and their culture– had to occur under a mask of legitimacy; namely, the so-called “educating and civilizing” of a “lesser people”. Surprisingly few Canadians, including critics of the residential school system, have been able to penetrate this fog of apparent “benevolent concern” that hid a murderous system.” (p 15) 

Canadians are “sorry” for the “excesses and abuses” of the institutions which harmed and killed Aboriginals, but not once have they apologized for their very existence in the first place.

“Accordingly, within the mindset and legal regime of this dominant culture there exists no basis to expose or prosecute the system who killed and tortured native children in the residential schools, since that murder originated precisely within these present-day institutions …  

… As in post-war Europe, therefore, any justice for aboriginal victims of the residential schools must ultimately originate from outside Canada, and be based on international legal principles. For no institution is capable of condemning and prosecuting itself, let alone its leaders.” (p 16)

Here’s an example: Ottawa spent a million and a half dollars locating over 5,000 abusers of children (identified by Aboriginals) but did nothing. From CBC:

“Investigators hired by the federal government have located thousands of people accused of physically and sexually abusing students at Canada’s Indian residential schools — though they may never face criminal charges.  

As part of the Indian Residential Schools Settlement agreement, the government located 5,315 alleged abusers, both former employees and students. Seventeen private investigation firms were contracted, at a cost of $1,576,380, beginning in 2005, according to information provided by Indigenous and North Affairs Canada (INAC).  

The alleged perpetrators, however, weren’t tracked down to face criminal charges — it was to see if they would be willing to participate in hearings to determine compensation for residential school survivors. The Independent Assessment Process (IAP), not involving the courts, was set up to resolve the most severe abuse claims.”

So the government has evidence of over 5,000 abusers, yet sits on it and does nothing. Why? Because to take action would open a can of worms for the caker government and they can’t have that in the middle of the ‘settlement process’!

Instead, the government politely asked for the abusers to come forward and participate in the hearings, which of course 4,450 so far have declined to do.

Furthermore:

“The identity and names of alleged perpetrators who want to participate in the IAP are kept on a secure server with other data related to IAP claims. They are not disclosed to anyone, other than the adjudicator in each specific claim, and to the Department of Indigenous Affairs. 

… Through the history of residential schools — which lasted over a century, with tens of thousands having suffered abuse — fewer than 50 people have been convicted for crimes related to the schools.”

Let’s take another look, this from the Toronto Star:

“…St. Anne’s is probably most infamous, however, for having a homemade electric chair that was used to punish children. Edmund Metatawabin, today an author, unfortunately experienced the chair. In a 2013 affidavit to Ontario Superior Court, he wrote, “I cannot describe how intense the pain was. I could not scream. At St. Anne’s, if you were being beaten, you could not scream or cry or the punishment would keep up.”  

These were not isolated incidents: Children of the Broken Treaty reports that an OPP investigation nearly a half-century after the abuses took place collected 860 complaints of children being raped, sexually assaulted, tortured, beaten, and otherwise physically abused by 180 identified perpetrators. What took place at St. Anne’s could only be described as a crime against humanity. What kind of people would defend that? 

The answer, painfully enough, is the Canadian Department of Justice — in the present day. Under the Independent Assessment Process (IAP) that was created as part of the Indian Residential Schools Settlement Agreement, the Department of Justice is in the strange position of having to defend Canada against these accusations while also having to prepare evidence for the hearings on behalf of the survivors in order to determine their settlements.

More government cover-ups:

When asked about these allegations, however, what the lawyers did was to claim that there were “no known incidents found in documents regarding sexual abuse at Fort Albany [Indian Residential School].” Yet they were holding back documents including all the information about the 180 named perpetrators, and the 860 complaints. Angus writes that Aboriginal Affairs Minister Bernard Valcourt wrote to him that “of course” the government was aware of the evidence. But instead of handing it over, as it was mandated to do, it appears it simply lied to survivors of child rape because it allowed the government to save money paid out to compensate for ruined lives.  

So survivors sued, and the Ontario Superior Court compelled government lawyers to release the documents that proved the crimes had been committed. Sault Star commentator Tom Mills noted at the time that though the court did not conclude the lawyers had acted in bad faith, they were nonetheless employing “highly adversarial civil law procedures to residential school compensation hearings, which are supposed to be non-adversarial.” …”

These are just two examples. The government has withheld evidence and acted in both an investigative and defensive role – a complete conflict of interest. And not just in these examples, but in virtually the whole process of so-called “reconciliation”. After a century of crimes and tens of thousands of victims, less than fifty people have faced prosecution when the government itself holds thousands of names, depositions, statements, accusations and records!

This is a cover up: an informal one to be sure; one done in plain sight. But cakers aren’t able to distinguish that because again, in their eyes these institutions are ‘legitimate‘ and what they did was legitimate even though they “made mistakes along the way”.

To actively prosecute criminals who were sanctioned by church leaders and the government itself, could potentially lead to questions regarding the prosecution of government entities. Thus we see that the caker kingdom wants “reconciliation” and a financial “settlement” without actually doing anything to effectively de-legitimize its past conduct.

The press can shed a few crocodile tears over ‘bad apples’ and ‘bad conduct’ and sweep the whole issue under the rug. Once official settlements have happened, it’s likely Aboriginal people won’t be able to legally prosecute officials or the government in any real capacity later on.

Conflicting the matter are Aboriginal leaders; many former students have made accusations against leaders in the Aboriginal community and government. None of these have been properly investigated (they have been dismissed as ‘absurd’), and as such, there is no incentive for these “leaders” to actively pursue justice, nor can their downtrodden victims who have been threatened, harassed and worse.

More from Hidden from History:

“Sadly, the two-tiered system of collaborators and victims created among native students at the schools continues to the present, as some of the state-funded band council officials –themselves former collaborators– appear to have an interest in helping suppress evidence and silence witnesses who would incriminate not only the murderers but themselves, as agents of the white administration.” (p 20)

And so it can all be summed up in this:

“Christian European culture in Canada still sees nothing fundamentally wrong with its invasion and occupation of the New World and its destruction of aboriginal societies; it simply regrets the “excesses” of that process. No wing within any of the mainline Canadian churches is challenging the Christian missionary effort per se, merely aspects of it, such as the sadism of particular school staff, or the “cultural insensitivity” of missionaries to First Nations.

… And these attitudes are still defended today by leading church officials, like former United Church moderator Bruce McLeod, who stated on a CBC interview in the spring of 2000, “The residential schools as a whole were well-intentioned experiments.” (p 26)

No, cakers are not sorry about conquering, subjugating and mass murdering aboriginal peoples, nor for taking their land; they’re sorry about ‘mistakes’ made by ‘well-intentioned’ institutions.

A caker today is likely to say “it was a long time ago! I wasn’t around when that happened, so it’s time to get over it.” And yet, if he’s a French Canadian he’s likely to moan to Ottawa about the injustices Quebec has experienced and demand ‘nationhood’ and ‘special recognition’, without even noticing his own hypocrisy. Or if an Anglo, complain about his “hardship” in having to be sensitive and allot federal funding money for Aboriginals. 

Destroying aboriginal culture was ‘an unfortunate event’ of the past, yet the government will spend billions forcing the French language on the population of Canada: including the indigenous, mentally disabled children and remote Inuit villages (previously).

Cakers complain about the “Asian invasion” in Western Canada: bitter Asian immigrants have brought over their language, hire ‘their own people’ and drive up real estate prices. Apparently this is some kind of outrage, yet aboriginal people need to ‘get over it’ when it comes to mass murder and genocide.

I for one, openly welcome the Chinese to come and invade Canada. Feel free to force white Canadians to live on small patches of land; make Mandarin the official language, Cantonese the second; take their children away to live in Chinese-run state schools and murder tens of thousands of them.*

Thirty years from now I will smugly remind cakers that “it’s in the past and we all need to move on.”

*I’m being facetious, don’t email me.

Ku Klux Klan in Canada

SASKATCHEWAN


“In Saskatchewan the Klan was started late in 1926 by a group of men who came by train to Moose Jaw from the U.S. via Eastern Canada. 


There were few Negroes in Saskatchewan, but the Klan found plenty of adherents — one of its organizers claimed a peak membership of 47,000 — when it directed its attacks against Catholics and Jews, then immigrating to Canada in large numbers from Europe. 

The Klan, calling for “100 percent Canadianism,” warned that Protestant Anglo-Saxons would lose their power and influence when swamped by European immigrants…

During the 1929 provincial election campaign, crosses were burned at numerous points … 


Hooded Klansmen marched through one Catholic church during a service. 


Klansmen went from community to community on horseback to spread their word. They told listeners that people called one another “Mac” at that time in the U.S. and Canada because it was a secret codeword, symbol of a plot to “Make America Catholic.” 


(Winnipeg Free Press article, 1965)


“Sol Sanderson, president of the Federation of Saskatchewan Indians (FSI), recently told a CBC reporter that his organization has been aware of Ku Klux Klan activity in Saskatchewan. He said the FSI would keep an eye on the developments and maintain close contact with the RCMP… 

According to the article in Saskatchewan Anglican, Klan leaders recently interviewed in Toronto said that Klan cells or `Klaverns’, as they are called, are active in Montreal, Vancouver, and rural Saskatchewan. David Duke, leader of the Ku Klux Klan, said that membership in Canada had increased tenfold in the past two years, but declined to give any membership figures. 


This is the first indication of Klan activity in Saskatchewan for many years. There were about 125 Klan cells in the province during the early 1930’s, according to a University of Saskatchewan study done in 1968.”


(Article, 1980)


“Regina resident Christian Waters is a high-ranking officer with the Canadian branch of the Brotherhood of Klans (BOK), considered to be the largest Klan group in North America. Waters’ membership with the group was confirmed in an e-mail and phone call by Jeremy Parker, imperial wizard of the Ohio-based BOK. 

Waters, who writes under an alias on the group’s Web site, claims that over the past two years, the BOK’s membership in Saskatchewan has gone from one (himself) to roughly 250 members, and around 3,500 Canada-wide. Of the Saskatchewan members, he said that while there is a strong base in Regina, many live in rural areas.”


(Leader Post article, 2007


ONTARIO

“Through the mid-1920s, as evidenced by Baumchem’s documents and dozens of newspaper reports, factions of this second iteration of the Ku Klux Klan would creep into Canada, sprouting branches from Vancouver to the Maritimes and enlisting thousands of followers. 

Their movements were routinely reported in the Toronto Star, especially once the organization took root in the area. Articles told of crosses burning in the hills of Hamilton, of a dynamite explosion at a Catholic church in Barrie whose suspected orchestrator had Klan ties, and robed Klansmen laying a wreath at the city hall cenotaph. 


What made these groups different from their American cousins, however, was a focus on preserving a narrow, religious- and ethnic-based notion of Britishness in Canada, explains James Pitsula, a University of Regina historian whose book on the KKK, Keeping Canada British, was published last year”


(The Star article, 2014


“The klansmen and klanswomen gathered at G.F. Hepburn’s field on the outskirts of Picton on the Bloomfield Road on Sunday, September 19. It was estimated some 5,000 people attended the afternoon demonstration. A further 6,000 people were present in the evening, and they arrived in over 1,000 cars, to witness “the weird initiation” ceremonies in the words of The Picton Times editor. 

Seven women and nine men were candidates for admission to membership at this ceremony. Four huge crosses were burned, “making a brilliant illumination for the activities in the centre of the field.”


(The Picton Times, 1926


“Though Canadians usually associate white-robed men burning crosses with the Deep South, Bowen’s research uncovered a considerable history of the group’s activities here.

“The Klan was everywhere,” she says. “There were cross burnings documented all over Ontario, the last one being in North York in the mid-’80s. I think the way Canadians deal with it is to blow if off, saying it didn’t happen that much up here. We’re so caught up in denial that I think just about everything this show reveals is going to be shocking on some level.”  

(Daily Xtra, 2013


“TORONTO — Canadian Ku Klux Klan national director Alexander McQuirter said Wednesday members of his organization often discussed ideas like overthrowing foreign governments. 

Two Canadians — one a Klan member — and eight Americans were charged Monday with plotting to overthrow the government of tiny Dominica in the Caribbean.The FBI said the group had stocks of automatic weapons and explosives.”


(Archive article, 1981


“In Toronto, hidden hotel room cameras catch the Canadian head of the Ku Klux Klan hiring a hit man.”  (Fifth Estate, CBC, 1985)


Articles:

Ontario Legion branch shut down after KKK Halloween costume debacle


The Grim History of the Ku Klux Klan in Toronto (2014)


Historicist: The KKK Took My Baby Away (2016)


ALBERTA


“KKK were once a powerful force in Edmonton under the leadership of John James Maloney, a seminarian who had worked to revive the movement in Saskatchewan. Seeking more political control, Maloney moved to Edmonton in 1930, restored the Alberta Ku Klux Klan, and declared himself the Imperial Wizard… 

The KKK hosted lavish dinners and public gatherings, attended by hundreds. In 1931, the group celebrated Daniel Knott’s mayoral victory by lighting a fiery cross on Connors Hill

On more than one occasion during Knott’s term, they requested permission to use the Edmonton Exhibition Grounds (now known as Northlands) for a picnic and cross burning …”

(CBC 2016)


“Two men with links to the Ku Klux Klan were arraigned Monday on charges of conspiring to blow up the Calgary Jewish Center and kill a prominent Jewish businessman.”

(Associated Press, 1988)



NOVA SCOTIA & NEW BRUNSWICK

“Earlier this spring in Windsor Junction, Ku Klux Klan graffiti was plastered outside the riding office of Percy Paris, a provincial cabinet minister who happens to be black.  

And the entire country gasped last month when an interracial couple an hour away from Halifax announced they were moving to an undisclosed location to protect their five children in the aftermath of a cross-burning.”

(Racism’s long history in quiet East Coast towns, Globe & Mail 2010)

“Here’s a little known fact. Well into the fifties Nova Scotia, and Canada for that matter, was so deeply racist and so completely segregated you’d think you were living in South Africa under apartheid. 


In all of Halifax there wasn’t a hotel or restaurant to be found that would serve African Nova Scotians.  You could go to a Fish and Chips for take out, but that was it. 


The New Glasgow movie theatre with its segregated seating, the one where Viola Desmond was arrested, wasn’t the exception, it was the rule in Nova Scotia. Segregation was sanctioned by the courts…  


In the late 1920s the Ku Klux Klan thrived in Canada, especially in Saskatchewan. It was quite a force in Eastern Canada as well, Reynolds suggests, with 17 active Klan lodges in New Brunswick alone, and with leaders who enjoyed easy access to government politicians.


(Nova Scotia Advocate, 2016)


“The KKK was once active in New Brunswick too. I was unable to find any scholarly work that had much mention of the KKK in New Brunswick (although there were a few interesting writings scattered online) but I did find copies of KKK documents at the PANB [Public Archives of New Brunswick] that had been found in a wall of a house. These included their bylaws, and for some klaverns (as they called their chapters) a membership list. It turned out that two colleagues of mine had grandfathers in the KKK in southern NB.

I found the subject difficult to research locally, even though there had been at least two klaverns here, possibly three—unfortunately, the documents only mentioned one in passing, and the second arose after the date of the documents found in the wall. However I do have the list of the charter members of the Dalhousie NB klavern—also found during a demolition—and again, some people I know had no idea their relatives were involved.

Even though the Klan had a rally in Dalhousie, NB and drove through the streets in cars in the early 1930s as part of a membership drive, I could find no photos, and no elderly people who would admit to seeing the event although a news report said that it was witnessed by hundreds. Also, even though people took endless photos in those days of men dressed in their various club regalia and costumes, a call I put out resulted in exactly zero Klan photos…

The Klan did burn crosses here, and I found an elderly witness to that…
… I know of at least two cross burnings in Dalhousie, NB in the 1930s, and I was told that the Campbellton, NB klavern used to burn their crosses on the current site of the WalMart in Atholville.”

(Halifax Examiner, 2015)



Articles:


Teen gets four months for cross burning (2001)

Arrest warrant issued for Klan recruiter (2001)


MANITOBA


The Klan in Manitoba began sometime in the 1920s through outreach efforts after the success of the KKK in Saskatchewan. For more information on Manitoba’s Klan history read this full blog post (sources at bottom). It failed to thrive for several reasons, including the cost of joining.

“In 1922, threatening letters signed by the Klan were delivered to St Boniface College in Winnipeg. Before the year was out, the college burned to the ground, causing the deaths of ten students.”


(Book quote: “Color Coded: A Legal History of Racism in Canada)


In 1992, three Klan members were charged in court, but the charges were later stayed:

“… three men were charged … with inciting hatred against blacks and other minorities, following a lengthy undercover police investigation. They were also charged with advocating genocide and mischief …”

(Jewish Post & News article, 1992)


BRITISH COLUMBIA

“In 1924 a Klan klavern was established in Vancouver. The BC Klan claimed a membership of more than 10,000 including five MLA’s. In that province the Klan merely latched on to the strong anti-Asian sentiments, and the demand that East Indian, Chinese, and Japanese immigrants be repatriated.” 

(Vancouver History)


” …there was a chapter in Vancouver in 1925. The Klan popped up in the news today … when vigilantes dressed in their hooded apparel kidnapped a Chinese houseboy who worked in the house where the murder occurred. “For six weeks,” Starkins writes, “he was shackled to the floor of an attic room in Point Grey, and subjected to frequent beatings and death threats” to try to force out the name of the killer. They finally let him go when they realized he was innocent.”

(Vancouver History


“Today Princeton is a quiet community in southern B.C. where a few thousand people live. But in the early 1930s the small town was the epicentre of anti-communist hysteria, where police clashed with miners and their families, and the Ku Klux Klan burned crosses and made threats.”

(CBC, 2015)


Articles:

Black inmate sues B.C. over alleged Ku Klux Klan beating and ‘torture’ by jail staff

KKK flyers left on doorsteps of Fraser Valley homes


19th Century

“Little is yet known about the spread of Ku Klux Klan activities to Canada during its first active phase from 1865 to the 1870s … [Story follows of a black man being killed for marrying a white woman]

… It also appears that some Canadians held the American Ku Klux Klan in great esteem… [quotes journal applauding Klan and bemoaning ‘uneducated’ ex slaves in society]  

… During the 1870s, at least some Canadians were initiated into the Klan in eastern Ontario. There is also evidence that American Klansmen, fleeing responsibility for their lawless activites, crossed over into Canada to seek refuge … [Story follows of a Klansman who killed a black man in the south and fled to Canada; followed by American detectives who drugged him and brought him back across the border. Canadian authorities and newspapers demanded his return, so the Americans returned him and he lived in London, Ontario afterwards, ‘welcomed warmly’.]

(Pages 182-183, Color Coded: A Legal History of Racism in Canada)  


Now this is by no means an exhaustive list, in fact this is only a cursory glance at the subject matter. It appears that cakers are finally beginning to acknowledge the past, much to the dismay of the government and its propaganda efforts I’m sure. (Or I should say: a handful of authors are being honest and forcing the rest to face reality!)

So we’ll end with this quote from a Vice commentary article:

“In the four years I’ve spent in London, Ontario I’ve been called names like Ebony, Dark Chocolate, Shaniqua, Ma, Blackish, and Boo. I’ve encountered blackface on Halloween and been told to go back to my third-world country (twice). I’ve been pushed off the sidewalk by white kids. I’ve been humiliated by white guys shouting, “Look at that black ass!” as I walked down a busy street. I’ve been an ethnic conquest for curious white men. I’ve witnessed my boyfriend get called a nigger over 20 times …”

Welcome to London, Ontario! O Canada!  #sunnyways


Further reading:

TSAS: Right-Wing Extremism in Canada (PDF)

Canada’s Forgotten History of Segregation (Toronto Star)

Books:

Keeping Canada British: The Ku Klux Klan in 1920s Saskatchewan

White Hoods: The Ku Klux Clan in Canada

Contradictions in Canada: Blacks

Canada: land of cognitive dissonance.

Here is one example of Canadian contradiction:


Blacks


Black people have been in Canada since the early 1600’s and unknown to a large segment of Canadians, they were also slaves in early colonial Canada (black history in general is overlooked or completely ignored).

Few enough think about the experience of black Canadians: regular racism, discrimination, lack of empathy and dismissive attitudes about their hardships. Most Canadians flippantly tell them that racism against blacks is a problem in the USA, not here.

Most Canadians know about issues of racism against Aboriginals, but believe that racism against blacks is minimal in Canada. Canadians love to shake their finger at their American neighbors and self-righteously proclaim themselves so superior in issues of race – particularly regarding black people. But as is so often the case with cakers, their self-image and reality are at blunt odds…

The data shows that when it comes to hate crimes, black Canadians are the number one victim! They account for roughly half of all racial hate crimes, which is parallel with American stats.

The USA has 10x the population level of Canada: 35 million vs 318  million. Black Canadians make up 2.9% of Canada’s population while black Americans make up 13.3% of the population. Which begs the question: who has the bigger problem here?

It should be noted that the likely reason hate crimes against Aboriginals are so low is because half their population resides on remote reserves, and a large percentage of the rest live on reserves inside cities or on the outskirts.

What can we conclude from all this? Cakers are no better than their American neighbors, and in fact a whole lot worse in most ways! 

Canada has a problem with racism. In fact, Canada has many problems … all swept under the rug so as to look good in front of the world. 


Note: While re-posting this, I updated it with current stats. I knew they would be no different because Canada never changes. 

Update: since this post, Statistics Canada has stopped compiling hate crimes information on individual groups and has combined them together.


Stats Can: 

2017 https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/181129/t001a-eng.htm

2015/16 https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/85-002-x/2018001/article/54915-eng.htm

2014/15 https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/85-002-x/2017001/article/14832-eng.htm

2013 https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/85-002-x/2015001/article/14191-eng.htm#a11

2012 https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/85-002-x/2014001/article/14028-eng.htm

2009/10 https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/85-002-x/2012001/article/11635-eng.htm

Maclean’s: Canada’s race problem worse than America’s

From Maclean’s:

“For a country so self-satisfied with its image of progressive tolerance, how is this not a national crisis?

The racial mess in the United States looks pretty grim and is painful to watch. We can be forgiven for being quietly thankful for Canada’s more inclusive society, which has avoided dramas like that in Ferguson, Mo. We are not the only ones to think this. In the recently released Social Progress Index, Canada is ranked second amongst all nations for its tolerance and inclusion.

Unfortunately, the truth is we have a far worse race problem than the United States. We just can’t see it very easily.

Terry Glavin, recently writing in the Ottawa Citizen, mocked the idea that the United States could learn from Canada’s example when it comes to racial harmony. To illustrate his point, he compared the conditions of the African-American community to Canada’s First Nations. If you judge a society by how it treats its most disadvantaged, Glavin found us wanting. Consider the accompanying table. By almost every measurable indicator, the Aboriginal population in Canada is treated worse and lives with more hardship than the African-American population. All these facts tell us one thing: Canada has a race problem, too.

How are we not choking on these numbers? For a country so self-satisfied with its image of progressive tolerance, how is this not a national crisis? Why are governments not falling on this issue?

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Possibly it is because our Fergusons are hidden deep in the bush, accessible only by chartered float plane: 49 per cent of First Nations members live on remote reserves. Those who do live in urban centres are mostly confined to a few cities in the Prairies. Fewer than 40,000 live in Toronto, not even one per cent of the total population of the Greater Toronto Area. Our racial problems are literally over the horizon, out of sight and out of mind.

Or it could be because we simply do not see the forest for trees. We are distracted by the stories of corrupt band councils, or flooded reserves, or another missing Aboriginal woman. Some of us wring our hands, and a handful of activists protest. There are a couple of unread op-eds, and maybe a Twitter hashtag will skip around for a few days. But nothing changes. Yes, we admit there is a governance problem on the reserves. We might agree that “something” should be done about the missing and murdered women. In Ottawa a few policy wonks write fretful memos on land claims and pipelines. But collectively, we don’t say it out loud: “Canada has a race problem.”

If we don’t have a race problem then what do we blame? Our justice system, unable to even convene Aboriginal juries? Band administrators, like those in Attawapiskat, who defraud their own people? Our health care system that fails to provide Aboriginal communities with health outcomes on par with El Salvador? Politicians too craven to admit the reserve system has failed? Elders like Chief Ava Hill, cynically willing to let a child die this week from treatable cancer in order to promote Aboriginal rights? Aboriginal people themselves for not throwing out the leaders who serve them so poorly? Police forces too timid to grasp the nettle and confront unbridled criminality like the organized drug-smuggling gangs in Akwesasne? Federal bureaucrats for constructing a $7-billion welfare system that doesn’t work? The school system for only graduating 42 per cent of reserve students? Aboriginal men, who have pushed their community’s murder rate past Somalia’s? The media for not sufficiently or persistently reporting on these facts?

Or: us? For not paying attention. For believing our own hype about inclusion. For looking down our noses at America and ignorantly thinking, “That would never happen here.” For not acknowledging Canada has a race problem.

We do and it is bad. And it is not just with the Aboriginal peoples. For new immigrants and the black community the numbers are not as stark, but they tell a depressingly similar story.

If we want to fix this, the first step is to admit something is wrong. Start by saying it to yourself, but say it out loud: “Canada has a race problem.”