Winnipeg rants (part two)

“I have lived all over the country and Winnipeg is by far the worst place to live in this great country. This is why:

-Long very cold winters- harshest in Canada

-Violent and very high crime

-Very inefficient traffic system- built for the horse and carriage

-Run down, very unattractive and unproductive downtown

-Poor economy for higher paying jobs

-Terrible city for the young and the single

-Hot muggy amd mosquito infested summers

-Very little to do (compared to other cities, especially in the winter.

-Difficult city for newcommers to fit in- hard to make friends if you did not grow up here

-Too many trains that impede traffic (Waverly etc)

This city is only remotely tolerable if you grew up here. The only thing it has going for it is it is cheap and perhaps has a slow pace of life.

As a whole this is Canada’s biggest hellhole. period..”

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“I agree with much of what you ahve said. I have lived here for 5 years and I still can’t stand the winters. It is tough to get to know people here. This city is a bad place to live, especially if you are not from here.”

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“I think that you are being generous, this city is a world class hell hole!! It is the coldest of any city over 500K on earth. It is crime ridden, there is very little future here for new people”

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“This is an awful city if you compare it to other cities in the country. Out of all the cities over 100,000 it has the harshest winters as it is very cold and very windy. It is consistently in the top 3 year after year in crime rate. It is very difficult to get a job over 40K a year unless you know someone. This city is also more difficult than most to meet new people because everyone has been here forever and is not overly enthused to admit someone into their life.

The only positive is that this city is cheap, but that is partly proof of what I am saying above. Cities are cheap or expensive for a reason. Winnipeg is cheap because this is a hellhole that no one wants to move to. Calgary is expensive because of the location, economy, and somewhat the climate.

This city is bad news for the newcommer, period.”

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“Isn’t that Grumpy guy a stupid asshole? He is so dilusional in his attitude about Winnipeg. He can’t admit that this city is worse than most in Canada. This city has very little going for it, especially for newcommers. It is o.k for someone to say that they like winnipeg because they grew up here and they have alot of friends and connections and perhaps it is cheap. Grumpy tries to sell people on the merits of the city itself and that my friend is stupid. Grumpy needs to wake up and do a reality check.”

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“winnipeg really is generally an unfreindly, self-centered,violent place. I’ve been living here since birth and cant really say I have been happy here ever.”

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“Winnipeg is renowned for its friendly people”
You are kidding right, the rest of the country regard winnipeggers as mean(dollar stores get mentioned a lot) and a bit weird.

So the consensus I am getting from east coast to west (yeah I do a fair bit of travelling at the moment)is that you are a self centred group of weirdo,s

Before the miserable old man starts fantasising about how wonderful winnipeg is again and advising people to leave, I am leaving before xmas, I will not be back.
Anyone reading this forum that is thinking of moving here, don,t. There are far better places in Canada”

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“We have been here nearly a year and I agree with most things that have been said.
I have made a couple of friends, but this city is more difficult to integrate into than other places I have lived.

People are very self centred in my opinion. One of the first winnipeggers I talked to described this city as a “tired old town” and advised me to take my family to BC. Not a good first impression

This as since been reinforced by quite a few others.
Our biggest problem is with young children there is very little to do in the winter.”

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“Winnipeg sucks.

I’ve been here 7 years, and in my experience Winnipeggers are polite, but not friendly (especially women). It takes 2 to 3 years for a Winnipeger to warm up enough to befriend you and go beyond small talk. I’ve just given up.

I’ve been to “socials” and events where no one would talk to me, because I didn’t show up with someone they knew. And don’t even try to pick up a conversation, because all you’ll get is a “Who are you?” look and some yes/no answers.

I have only 2 friends here. On is an immigrant as myself, who has had the exact same experience with “Friendly” Manitoba. She’s lived all over the world, and she says by far Winnipeg is the worst place to make friends she has encountered (she can’t wait to move). My other friend is from work (it took two years of seeing me everyday for her to start going out to lunch with me).

If you think of moving here, you’d better know some people, or you’ll be very lonely. If you are introduced to people through friends, you might do ok.

For those Winnipeggers defending their home town, let me ask you: When was the last time you made a new friend (not introduced to you by another friend)?”

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“Not being able to Make friends is not the only reason this city sucks. The winters are awful, the city is boring, and it is ugly as hell. The crime rate is terrible as well.”

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“Mr Freeze I applaud you. You said it all. We moved here two years ago and are leaving in April. Can’t wait to get out of this stinking, retarded, frozen wasteland. The only thing Winnipeg has going for it is CITI FM.”

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“The only thing great about this city is that everywhere else seems like a vacation. I was in Regina last year and it was more pleasant than Winnipeg.”

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I have heard countless things good or bad about Winnipeg (mostly bad). I can take or leave most of the so-called strengths of this city.

The one thing that supercedes activities in this city is the climate. I know there is little we can do to change it, but it is a huge factor in the comfort and entertainment of Winnipeggers.

The weather here is uncomfortable or unlivable 4.5 to 6 months of the year. How much fun is it to live here when you are couped up inside 40% of the year. Having decent weather to enjoy life with family or friends is very important. This is an element that is severely lacking in this city and perhaps Saskatoon or Regina.
I also feel the summers are more uncomfortable here because of the mosquitos and wood ticks.”

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“Yes, its a crime ridden, run down, ice covered, desolate shit hole with a rapidly decaying infrastructure and close to nothing worthwhile. In other words, its pretty much the Detroit of Canada. Ive lived here most of my life and somehow always come back. Home is home.”

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“Here I thought the whole problem with rat infested Winnipeg was the Damn Mosquitoes & black flies in the spring, summer and fall.

Darlene: Very little you said here makes Winnipeg special. In fact this is a very ordinary place at best. Almost all Canadian cities have great people and spirit. Most cities have real important sports teams (more than the bombers) such as the Flames. Senators, Leafs, Blue Jays etc). You think that Wpg has great parks- it is not a patch on Fish Creek in Calgary, or Stanley Park in Vancouver.

Most cities in Canada have great research interests, better than wpg. Manitoba has never been ranked particularly high for its education or healthcare systems. Winnipeg does have bad traffic in the south end and lots of trains that slow everything up.

Winnipeg is virtually unliveable 30-40% of the year due to the cold weather and wind. It consistently ranks as one of the 3 most dangerous cities in Canada. It is also a tough market to find good jobs, especially if you are a new commer.It has an ugly unproductive downtown. This city will never change.

Look at the recent poll that ranked Calgary #1 and Wpg # 19. This was an unbiased well rounded poll that clearly demonstrated that wpg is a poor place to live, especially for newcommers. All this city is is Cheap and that partially proves the point. Places are expensive or cheap for a reason.”

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“Most cities in canada are cultured even “Redneck” Calgary. Winnipeg lags behind in many services including transportation, education, and health. Lake Winnipeg and Manitoba are worthless as they are muddy and ugly. The Whiteshell and lake of the woods which is quite nice is 2-3 hours away.

Explain Winnipeg being ranked 19th out of 25? It had the worst ranking out of all the larger cities in Canada. Winnipeg is too cold to live almost 40% of the year. It is crime ridden, poor and has no future for young people or new commers.

It is cheap for a reason. I am leaving within the next few months. Even Regina seems better these days.”

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“Look at the winter weather. Look at the Crime rate. Look at the decaying native run down town. Look at the number of good jobs. Look at the hot infested mosquito run summers. I can keep going… This is Canada’s biggest hellhole!!!”

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“This city is Canada’s biggest shithole!! I have lived everywhere including Regina. Right now I’d take Regina because at least it has a good economy. Winnipeg is only cheap, that’s it!! Look around it is not hard to figure out why.”

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“I hate Winnipeg! I have been here 7 months and I can without a doubt say this is the biggest shithole that I have ever seen.

I was forced to come here because my wife is helping to look after her sick father. There are hardly any good jobs, I am stuck working at Sobey’s for $9/hr. We are going into debt.

I have never seen a city with less to do, particularly in the winter. My daughter is so damn bored and I am having difficulty entertaining her. I have never seen a more depressing life sucking shithole of a place in my entire life.

Many people who live here seem to love it. Are you guys brain dead or something?? Almost half the year the weather is to rotten to do anything. Most of the city is dirty, run down, crime ridden and very depressing. It is like a Canadian version of Detroit.

Yes, I will be leaving back to Ontario where the weather is better, better jobs, and far more to do.”

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“Couldn’t have said it better myself!! I can safely say that Regina is a better city because at least there are a good number of $15/hr + jobs. How pathetic is that Regina is better than here. That is sad”

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“The question is how Winnipeg stacks up to other cities in Canada, not inferior or third world countries. All most all cities in Canada have what you are describing. This city does have somethings to do for some people, but it falls behind other cities in Canada big time.

Many immigrants come here and think it is great compared to their homeland and perhaps that is true, but this is a vastly inferior city compared to other places in Canada. I have lived all over North America and I can say with experience that this is by far the worst place that I have lived.

The climate here is awful, the economy is marginal,the city is dirty and crime ridden, and there is definitely less here than somewhere like Calgary, Toronto, Vancouver etc.

You must not be well travelled in Canada or else you would better appreciate what I am saying”

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“It is an awful City to live in….it is always 5 to 10 years behind…it lacks creativity/ imagination and risk……..it seeks to lower the bar for ambition

Kind of a welfare City………it Prides itself as a Have Not city in a Have Not Province…

Like a trained seal…looking for a FREE meal….”

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“Did you hear? Winnipeg was given another honor.

It has more natives than any city in Canada. A whopping 10%. This isa huge part of the crime problems in the city. A few years ago the city let a whole heap of them in. Now we are paying for it.

Lower the native population and the crime will drop. But this is just a small part of the problem. The city has major problems with economy, downtown decay, health/education etc. The mayor said this city was a mess. If he says this it must be an understatement”

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“This city is too poor and unproductive to support an NHL team. If the Richardson’s or Asper’s can’t afford to buy one who can? This city is full of natives and poor white trash. It will always be this way. The city is not like Calgary or maybe Edmonton- cities with futures.”

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“Get rid of all the natives for starters. They create much of the crime issues in the city. There also needs to be more here to create jobs, I mean good $20/hr + jobs not the $8-11 hour white trash work most people here do. The city needs to clean up big time. I think that about 70% of the buildings, houses etc in the inner city need extensive work or need to be knocked down. Winnipeggers need to know the difference between old character buildings and run down dirty ratholes. Wpg has more of the latter…”

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“Calgary stands out all over the place and gives the whole world the impression that it is important and happening. Winnipeg is barely known around Canada. Most Canadians laugh at Winnipeg about the cold weather, crime, natives, and being rather boring. Winnipeg used to be better in the 60’s when it seemed to be an up and coming place. This is clearly an old dying has been town with few redeeming features.”

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“Winnipeg would be a great place to live if we got rid of our Aboriginals. Maybe we can give them Selkirk in exchange for a promise of never entering the city limits!

Not just the natives. Trade our weather with California. Trade our economy and future with Calgary. Trade location with Vancouver, Victoria or Calgary. Trade the downtown area and city infrasture with Calgary. Maybe then Winnipeg would be great. For now it is a pathetic worthless pile of junk.”

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“You are bang on here. Those two people that love Winnipeg likely do not know much of what is out there. If they think Winnipeg could beat Calgary in a head to head comparison they are freakin’ Morons. Winnipeg only has cheap housing on Calgary and maybe traffic. Calgary wins on the other 2 million categories. It is o.k to like it because of family and growing up here, but the city really is a shithole!!!!”

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“There is a native problem as many from the reserves are not able to adjust to the city. Yes, a high proportion of them end up in jail. Rather than saying get rid of them, though, which sounds a bit like Hitler, what can we do to remedy the situation? After all, we whites contributed to the problem by displacing them, then abusing them in Residential Schools, plying them with alcohol, putting them on Reserves and giving them millions in handouts.”

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“Great thread. It really is a horrible place. Cold, depressing, anyone with half a brain gets out while they can. The only people who seem to like it are the people born there who don’t know anything else”

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“This city is a life sucking shithole isn’t it? My wife dragged me here 7 years ago because her family is here. I am considering divorce because myself and my 3 daughters (9,12, &16) all hate it here. My wife seems to care more about her parents and brother than us.”

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“What I love about Winnipeg.

Really nice warm people.

You mean the ones you have known all through high school? The same ones that never made anything of themselves like you. Of course you like them. Unmotivated people and the poor tend to cling to each other for support.

Salisbury House and Gondola Pizza. You just have to grow up with them to know what I mean.

I know what you mean. Expand your horizons buddy. The food at both places are crap. You only like them because the food is cheap. You eat cheap unhealthy food because you don’t have the education to afford a decent living and therefore have to resort by eating in fast food places. How about eating an Organic apple once in awhile? Of course, try finding an Organic grocery store around Winnipeg!

Great people. Mostly.

Yeah, you covered this one. You only mentioned two things and you’re already duplicating your points.

Smog free.

Try January and breathe in all the exhaust fumes. Another reason why Winnipeg doesn’t have no smog is because it has NO industry. You have to grow as a city to get big city problems.

No traffic jams. Well, only a few. Not worth mentioning really.

Even less if the city would ever adopt a mass transit system; its embarrassing that Winnipeg is the only major city in Canada that doesn’t even have one. No traffic jams equals no cars, no cars equals no people, no people equals no grow. Enough said.

The Winnipeg Jets.

This is the most popular non-existent sports franchises known to man.
Your using a hockey teams that packed up and left the city an example of why you like Winnipeg? Dear God, you forgot to mention Archie and his Friends as well.

Best Spring-Summer-Fall in the whole world. And winter is “challenging”.

Winter should be against the law. Spring is brown and once the snow has melted and the ice has thawed is when you see Winnipeg at its best: the stench of garbage overflowing in the streets and the numerous shopping carts scattered all over the city. The shopping cart = Winnipeg’s number one mode of transportation. Summer? You mean when it’s 30 degrees and the place is infested with mosquitoes? Or is it the wasps? or the canker worms? or the black flies? or the …..

A gud edumacation sistem. Real afordabble-like too.

I’m not going to comment on this one. The fact that you are commenting on Winnipeg’s educational system and then you spell….oh forget it. Let me guess…GED right? Community College?

Excellent people. Real easy to meet.

Third time must be the charm right?

Very affordable real estate. It has taken off a bit in the last 3 or 4 years, but still a good bargain can be found.

The reason it is a bargain can you summed up by simple economics. No demand = cheap prices. No demand = no growth.

Excellent neighborhoods.

You mean the upscale neighborhoods like Windsor Park, Tyndall Park? Garden City? The Maples? How about owning a nice family home on the corner of Spence and Broadway or perhaps Balmoral? You mean the lifeless cookie cutter sub-divisions like Fort Richmond? Island Lakes?

Oh, I should add that the people of Winnipeg are terrific.

4 posts = your an idiot and have just proved a point that so many people have already known: Winnipeg is a shit hole. Plain and simple. Take off your rose colored glass Polly and get a bloody dose of reality. Winnipeg sucks.”

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“That the Winnipeg “vision” for you in a nutshell. Winnipeg. We don’t have any LRT system, no freeways, the highest crime rate, and the colest winters known to man. But we do have an indoor waterpark?!?”

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“well its colder then hell.. I tell you what was i thinking moving here..women here hare cheap.. but then so is everything else in this coupon city.. hey , is that the value village special?? Wait investors are waiting and watching .. first the liquor commision has no clue.. whats with all the b rate bands that only tour the town… why is there no real entertainemnt centers like reds or anything .. half of down town is deserted… lets make something that is worth driving across town for.. what you dont hang out at the pal.. omg that place is so old your gramdma was giving it away in the basement for free back in the day.. this town needs to see they are at least 20 years behind its like alberta in the 80’s …No wonder why half the city is on welfare the other half is on workers comp.. wait can you get workers welfare comp..”

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“Nice areas in Winnipeg are expensive. The few people that do have money want to live in River Heights, Linden Woods Tuxedo,Whyte Ridge in the south end. The vast majority of Winnipeg is modest or just trashy and run down.

This is a poor city and few people can afford a house over $300,000 to get even a small house in these areas. The property taxes here will kill you. I used to live in Lethbridge and the property taxes are almost double in Winnipeg.

Sure if you make 75,000+ you can afford something decent, but few people make that kind of income. Most people live in substandard housing that needs lots of upgrading or maybe tearing down. Only 15% of this city has been built or renovated in the last 25-30 years. Calgary that figure would be 75 or 80%.

Face reality- nice housing is for the few people who have succeeded in a stagnate low income city. If you have the money you can have the nice house, but that doesn’t even come close representing the majority of Winnipeggers.”

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“I think that the courts etc outside of Manitoba should sentence people to living in Winnipeg for a determined number of years as their punishment. The city is already full of crime anyway. Living here is a like punishment anyway. I just got parolled as I am moving to Vancouver April 1.”

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“This is Canada’s worst larger city. There is no doubt. Want Proof: I arrived here six weeks ago to see an article ranking Winnipeg as a worse city than Regina. That is pretty pathetic. Leaving back to Vancouver in 10 days. I can’t wait….”

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“know how pathetic this city is? The Winnipeg Sun had a headline that read “PEG TOPS CALGARY”. Curious, I checked out what Winnipeg could have done to dethrone Calgary. Turns out, 3 firefighters have decided to come back to Winnipeg from Calgary, after deciding the cost of living was too high.

3 lousy people come back from Calgary to Winnipeg and it’s front page news??? How pathetic is that. I heard a rumor that a half dozen construction workers will be transferred to Winnipeg from Calgary in late February. Maybe we should throw them a parade?”

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“It’s true, Winnipeg is such a disgrace to Canada, I ask myself why i’m still living here. Well, I’ll tell ya. First off, I wanna finish my post secondary education which is majoring in engineering and once thats done, I’m moving to either Calgary or Vancouver, haven’t decided yet but i’m sure i’ll make up my mind somewhere down the road and then i’ll see a light at the end of the tunnel.”

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“I have not so lovingly nicknamed this city “Winnihellholepeg”. The crime, the gangs, the prostitutes, the selfish and rude people I have dealt with here, the panhandlers, the children out at all hours with no parental guidance,the dog eat dog attttude, the drug dealersa and users,the car thieves, the drunks and government supported leeches who are capable of contributing but won’t, the crime and violence. It is really sad, because this city has a lot of potential and some really interesting things to see and do.”

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“I’ve lived in Winnipeg my entire life, and it hasn’t changed a bit. It was, and always will be, a piece of crap city. It had potential, until Socialists and beggars ruined it. Damn NDP.”

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“Winnipeg is a awful place to live, too much awful drivers who cut you off with out warnings. Mean and unfriendly people who are just plaine miserable and its the most depressing and gloomiest places in Canada. I think! also awhole lot of others agree…i can see! Winnipeg SUCKS big time! Lived here for 2 years and I hate it! crime capital in canada what a sorry place to be…scary i’ll say! what the hell is the city doing sitting on there asses not doing a thing about it all!!! throw those criminals in jail already! keep them there too…”

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“Well option #1 (change the city) was not possible due to the indifference to the people with money (government/business community). Believe me, I always wanted Winnipeg to change so bad. However I have accepted that it will never be anything more than a dump. I chose option #2. Head to Alberta/BC/etc…”

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“I heard it once said if Canada was described as being a person, Vancouver B.C. would be the head and face, because it is a beautiful city and province, Alberta would be the breasts with it’s Rocky Mountains, Saskatchewan the stomach because it is flat, the Maritimes as the feet because its rocky and hard like the soles of your feet, quebec and ontario like the legs because they are long, and winnipeg manitoba, as the asshole.”

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“I’ve been pretty much all around the world (Europe, Asia, South America — not Africa yet) for work and pleasure, and I’ve lived in Kelowna BC, Caledonia ON, Bedford NS, Edmonton and Calgary AB. So I think I’ve got a pretty good idea how the other half lives. Now that I’ve had kids, I find myself stuck again in this shitty city to be close to family. Yeah, things could be worse, but things could be a helluvalot better too! With the exception of most of the Asian countries I’ve been to, I really would rather live just about anywhere else! Life is too short to waste any time living in Winnipeg. Vacations are too short to waste visiting Winnipeg.

I cannot wait to get out of here. I am literally counting the days to retirement so I can leave this place and never come back.”

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“The problem is that Winnipeg has too much poverty and aboriginal people addicted to drugs and alcohol on the streets.They commit most of the crimes. Manitoba province is poor and the wages ale lower, thats why you have cheapest housing in Canada and cheapest prices for food.The weather is the coldest sometimes -35 or -40 with wind chills and it last until march.”

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“traveled all over the country. By far winterpeg is the RUDEST and most IGNORANT people I’ve ever met. Don’t bother asking directions or anything – they will look at you like your’ve from Mars!!”

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“You can also add: The most racist city in Canada”

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“More and more people are taking your advice and leaving this craphole. I have lived in the third world of Mexico and people have a better life there. Winnipeger’s defend Winnipeg and say that it is cheap to live here. What they fail to see if the quality of life that they have. I am moving from this craphole in April and I cannot wait. Have fun in the poverty capital of North America. Goodbye to the lazy union people of Winnipeg.”

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“I think that some of your facts here are not accurate. Winnipeg does not have a good economy for higher paying jobs. You need to know someone unless you are in a desperate industry such as nursing or trades. People in Winnipeg are pleasant, not friendly as it is hard to get people to accept you into their circle of friends. Winnipeg is consistently ranked as one of the 3 highest crime cities in Canada-check you stats.

Winnipeg is the cheapest city for a reason: No one wants to live here. If the Manitoba government didn’t bribe people from 3rd world countries, the population would be shrinking.

I’ve lived all over Canada and I can confidently say this city is a hopeless pile of crap.”

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“Winnipeg is cheap for a reason: no one wants to live here. The only people that love it are people that grew up here and don’t know much better. The gov’t has to bribe people to move here.”

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“Don’t forget to add in that they are all cliquish, in gangs, cons or ex-cons.”

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“Another thing about this city. People are unintelligent and creepy.

Unfriendliness I don’t mind, but boorishness and meanness really is creepy.
These morons in Winnipeg only know how to react like vicious pack dogs because they lack character and personality – that’s why they’re in Winnipeg!”

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“There is a band called Vanitian Snares who has a song called ” Winnipeg is Frozen Shithole”. The band leader Aaron Funk created it because he hates his hometown.”

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“How can you call this city beautiful??? It is flat, run down, and dirty. Yes the city is full of rats-did you read today’s paper about the rats they are finding in storm sewers all over place.

This city has more problems than almost any city in Canada. It is crime-ridden, poor, ugly, dirty, cold. I can go on and on.”

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“People in Winnypig are the rudest bunch of ***holes in north America”

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“Right on Ben. The increased Native population in Manitoba/Winnipeg, is the main reason, we are number 1 in violent crime, child poverty, grandparents raising their grandchildren, arson capital, welfare and all the other wonderful things that having a large Native population brings. It is true send them to the reserve and the crime will go down in Winnipeg. Now they are demanding houses saying that 4000 of their people need houses, so if you want a house, get a job and get a mortgage and buy a house, you lazy beggars.”

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“Winnipeg does suck in many ways, violent crime, auto theft, wanna be gangs, low wages, …. If you can’t stand the hood, move… Thats what I did… Tuff guy, now afriad of the hood once I ruled, no fear, felt like a outcast when I’d go to st.vital eg., peoples fear I’d see for no reason. Now I’m afriad, outcast of the hood and burbs, is it an unfriendly city or is it just me.”

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“I agree with you……….Friendly Manitoba, my foot. You’d have to go far and wide to find people as two faced and rude as in Winnipeg.”

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“I’ve lived in Winnipeg for approximately 35 years and in all that time I can honestly say that I only have acquaintances and no real friends.

Now you might arrive at your own opinion(s) as to why this is, but I can assure you it’s not because I’m a rotten person, etc. When I make a friend, that person is a friend for life. I would do anything to help that person; anything.

Maybe my idea of frienship is a little screwball, but in all the years I’ve lived here, I’ve yet to find someone who I can truly call a friend. I’ve found that most people are what’s called “fair weather friends,” all’s good when things are going well, but should a problem arise, these “friends” are suddenly unavailable for lunches, etc.

I’ve witnessed this with many people I know, and I’ve never been proved wrong. Sadly, Winnipeg people miss out on so much by never knowing what it’s like to have a true friend.

I still have friendships with people I met in other countries 30 years ago. And, I know if I were ever in trouble and needed help; they’d be here in an instant, even if it meant travelling across the ocean.

I’ve tried and tried to keep friendships going here in Winnipeg but find it impossible because of the way people are. I’m sure some of you will disagree with my opinions but ask yourself this: have you really and truly put your frienships to the test? Try it, you might be surprised.”

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“Living in Winnipeg is like living an a prison – You never know when you’re going to get a knife in your back and be ganged up on for no good reason. I asked a person once who is from Edmonton what she thought of Winnipeg: She said ‘People are rude here, and they’re snoopy. There’s too much crime too.”

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“Maybe she’s the ‘happy hooker’ because she must be on drugs to say Winnipeg is ‘fun’! Drink a bottle of whiskey, then any city is ‘fun’!!!”

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“I am going to have to agree with some of the comments. We moved here 6 years ago, I have not made any friends here ,(just casual hello type) Trust me it has not been from me trying. I volunteer in the school system almost everyday, help people with their snow shovelling etc… I get a thank you , but unless you were raised here and went to school here you won’t have much luck getting into a circle of friends. I don’t agree with the “friendly Manitoba moto”.

I have lived in 4 provinces and 1 state this is by far the hardest place I have ever lived. Yes, the long cold winters are tough, then to add more cruelty to it the summers are short,way too much rain ( and I grew up on Vancouver Island) VERY windy and a ton of bugs.

But on the up side… I DON’T THINK I COULD GIVE UP THE BIG BRIGHT BLUE SKY.”

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“You are so right on all these points. You have to grow up there, go to the same elementary school and kindergarten to make friends. I think it could get into the Guiness Book of Records for city with the most backstabbers. They are vicious. They can be friends with you one day and then knife you the next for no apparent reason, just because they like to do that, or because you graduated from a different kindergarten than they did. So it is an awful place to live in for many reasons. People who live in Wpg. and can’t get out must feel as if they died and went to hell.”

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“You are honest and you are right, people supporting this dump are either very dumb or very dishonest. Having lived here 15 yrs I would say it is the latter.”

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“born and raised in wpg left when i was 18 cant pay me enough to move back wpg is for losers”

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“Winnipeg is probably the worste city in the entire nation. I have traveled all over Canada and it is no good. When dozens of people comment in a similar way you know there’s veracity in their claims. People are rude, bullies, slobs, morons, and definitely malicious and unfriendly!”

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“Winnipeg is the best, we have the best weather, advanced universities, clean streets, friendly people, MILD, MILD winters, long hot summers, best roads and drivers, and the highest paying jobs in the country……….

By the way….I was born and raised in winnipeg, I have a grade 10 education, been married and divorced 4 times, I’m unemployed ,and I’ve been an alcoholic for the past 19 years…..LOL”

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“Winnipeg really sucks, reality bro. Nothing to do in malls, no nightlife, immigrants use it as a backdoor to get to Canada fast, then move to other provinces, Transit management is awful, Selkirk Avenue… I can go on and on.”

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“This is why people don’t like Winnipeg. All the nice people get sick of the Ah*s and leave. Soon there will be all people who deserve each other ! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAA!!!!”

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“Like so many have said…Rude, miserable, ignorant, snoopy. It’s the people – they are really ignorant calloused slobs and boors. It is getting known nationaly even.

The whole “If you hate Winnipeg, then MOVE!” attitude/way of thinking doesn’t really solve Winnipeg’s problems now does it?

If everyone who hated Winnipeg moved, there’d be about 10 people in town.”

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“I’m a Winnipeger – please someone give me a ticket out of here. Take me someplace better – Faluja or Gitmo.

Its all true – especially the crime thing – absolutely shocking.

The restaurants are, for the most part, similar in terms of grease, sodium and crap. Unless you have the money to dine at a better restaurant – which the majority of people dont.

Bitter, semi retarded and red necked by virtue of our local we venture out every summer, lemming-like, to chintzy, expensive and mind numbing festivals like Folklorama – essentially a festival where one ethnic group fleeces another for a couple of weeks.

Winnipegers don’t kid yourself – travel past Thunderbay to the east and Regina to the west and you may glimpse paradise.

The mullet died out in Winnipeg around ten years after it had become out of fashion in the Ozarks.

Oh, but there is an Opera – where a flack jacket in the parking lot when you come out.

GET ME OUT”

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“Why is it that Winnipeg has more gangs than any city in Canada? Why so much violence among youth? And why are there so many people getting sick of the place and moving to Calgary or Toronto even?

There is a gang mentality in this place. Everyone is in a gang. People do not act as individuals here but as people in groups, unions, companies, and yes, gangs. When individuals do not have the guts, the character, the honesty to stand up for what is right and tell the truth you get corruption and sin abounds. This is the problem in this wicked city.”

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“It is the sh*t hole of Canada. The only ones who don’t agree are redneck, slob, ignorant, rude, farting, belching, sneaky, mean, trecherous people who were born here and probably will stay in this hole all their miserable lives.”

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This is actually the first time that I’ve read these posts and I have to say my piece now…

As an ex-Winnipegger, now living in Toronto, each and every time I go back to Winnipeg for a visit I become a little more depressed, not because I miss it but because the city depresses the hell out of me. I don’t think there’s a person out there that can deny that downtown Winnipeg has become a wasteland of boarded up buildings and “For Lease” store fronts. I mean, for gods sake, there have been some buildings that have been for lease since the early 90’s. I simply haven’t seen that in any other city that I’ve either lived in or visited, and believe me, I’ve travelled the world. I grew up in Winnipeg for 23 years and, yes, it used to be a much nicer place and downtown used to be cleaner, safer, and just overall more appealing, but to all those living in Winnipeg now…OPEN YOUR EYES!! How many of you would voluntarily walk Poratge Avenue past sundown?? How many of you feel truly safe even in Portgage Place?? So you have the Forks…big whoop. Every city of half a mil or more has a market. I have never felt uneasy about walking in downtown Toronto or Montreal, even at 3 in the morning. I’m not saying that there’s no crime here but there’s no comparison to Winnipeg. I met people from Jakarta who felt usafe in downtown Winnipeg. Jakarta!! One of the most crime-ridden cities in the world! Yes there are nice suburbs in the city but to me, that’s not living. There’s a reason why real estate in Winnipeg is cheaper than anywhere else in the country. I can’t remember where I read it, but in terms of crime, Winnipeg has a higher crime rate than a lot of similar sized U.S. cities and even larger U.S. cities like Minneapolis.
Why do you think that for the past 30 years Winnipeg’s population has mostly stagnated while other cities continue to grow.

It still doesn’t take away from people’s opinions about the city, but having lived there for most of my life, I can confirm that a good chunk of the city is living in denial when it comes to just how sad that place is.

Oh, one more thing, Winnipeg will never change until someone decides to “clean up” the giant Reserve they call downtown. Call me a biggot, call me what you like, but there’s no point in burying your head in the sand about it.

It is a hellhole. I can’t stand living here. Something you forgot on your list is that most people here are Christian!:(“

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“Another winterpeg murdertoba moron. check internet for Helen Betty Osborne this says it all about this puke province”

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“manitobans are gay, how are u gunna sit here and defend winnipeg… i live in winnipeg its a shit hole and everyone i know thinks the same way we cant move cuz we have jobs and responsibilitys so lose your pride and realize the healthcare sucks, weather sucks, bugs, indians,murders, INDIANS, like fuck off already with the red river my god man its brown from sewage, the only thing this place is good for is fucking, actualy not true canada says winnipeg has a worst sexual activity rate, but the most stds how does that work?? WINNIPEG SKID MARK OF CANADA.. to people wanting to drive threw winnipeg to get to a real city, dont get sick here they dont treat you, its actually funny, if u think im joking come for a visit no lies ask any body”

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“These morons are the most ignorant , rude, snoopy ***holes in Canada. And, of course, they act like *ricks on ly to the ones they can get away with it with – sneaky, cowardly, and evil *ukes!”

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“MR Winterpiggy: You have probably lived in this **** hole all your life and don’t have any manners or any sense of truth in your body whatsoever. If the ***holes here acted they way they do and did it elsewhere they whould get a swift Kick in the *** but the morons from here are too cowardly to be rude and evil to anyone unless they think they can get away with it. I never met people like in Winnypiggy before. O wonder it is full of crooked unions and cowardly gangs no one has personality or character, just chick *holes whostick to their sneaky little ***hole gangs and boring little groups of local hicks.”

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“winnipeg is the greatest city in the world.
top paying jobs, international money from our exports, the best pro sports leagues, MTS centre WOW WOW WOW, only highly trained and skilled people from the west and down south FLOCKING to be here, cleanest streets, the BEST police force in the country, perfect landscape and roads and the highest rated quality provincial government in the country. the list could go forever.

ps. If anyone has any crack or meth to sell, please see me on the corner of main and selkirk between 8am and 5pm.. I live in the BFI bin behind the corner pawn shop, ask for Joe…

oh and once again, winnipeg is the best”

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“I moved to Winnipeg a while ago. I have lived all over Canada, and by FAR, this place is HORRIBLE. It is impossible to make friends, everyone is so uninviting and rude. EVen in high school, I was completely isolated because I was, yes, a newcomer. Worst spot in Canada, period. Spare yourself, don’t come here.”

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“I’m really sick of the “if you don’t like it then leave” response. Did anyone ever realize we’d love to except we can’t afford anything better right now? I would LOVE to go back to Calgary but there’s no way I can drop a quarter of a million on a little bungalow while at the time making $18 an hour yet paying $1199 rent plus utilities, cay payment, wonderful gas moola, internet connection, phone bills.

I’m only here because I want my own house to live in one day, but this place is dull, the people can’t drive “what’s a turn signal?”, “speed limit 80 so I go 45 right?” oh and did I mention dull? Yeah you have the forks and the zoo but you can only go there so many times and then that gets dull too. A third of the people at work who’ve lived here always have never even gone to the zoo. Cartfulls of liquor leave the stores so what I can come up with is the only thing to do here is drink. Maybe that’s what contributes to the wonderful drivers and the cheery people?

And don’t bother telling me if I don’t like it I can move. I KNOW THIS. And I am GONE as soon as I can escape this crapshoot.”

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“Winnipeg has always and will forever be the true anus of Canada! This place is so far behind the rest of the world! Filled with a bunch of people who have no true vision for this city. This city is so screwed, go luck trying to fix it! I am so glad I am out of this shit hole come April! Bunch of el-cheapos too!”

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“There are people starving in Winnipeg daily …..the city is notorious for high child poverty levels….last time I went downtown I saw homeless people camped out on nearly every corner!!!! Oh and I think that tonight I will go to one of the numerous crappy canad inn bars that peggers seem to sooooo fond of and try to make some friends…..provided I don’t get effn shot in the process….wish me luck…Winnipeg blows no matter how you put it just SUCKS!”

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“In my opinion the situation in Winnipeg has not improved. Why? There is a systemic problem withing the hospitals in Winnipeg where health care providers are more interested in protecting themselves and their co-workers from law suits so they therefore will try to hide the errors instead of admiting them or apologizing. Apo9logizing, they think will just allow people to sue them. So they are more intereswted in their well paying jobs than in the lives of human beings in their care. This is very very scary and this attitude is not uncommon in this city unfortunately. I would urge anyone who lives in Winnipeg to seek health care in another province if at all possible. The nurses are uncaring , selfish, lazy , and jaded in the extreme.”

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“I have lived in Winnipeg all my life and will tell it like it is even if it offends some. First the Indians who live in Winnipeg are a disgrace and dragging this city down. If they are not committing crimes they are constantly whinning about something. Many of their youths join gangs and commit serious crimes. killing, stealing from the elderly, or selling drugs. It is always the white mans fault as they won’t take any responsibility for their actions.

Compounding this serious problem is that Manitoba has a socialist Government. Their only solution is to throw money at the indians. Which does nothing but create an endless Welfare problem.

Winnipeg has no industry. So many who are highly educated move away. We are left with a bunch of dummies who don’t want to work. Or are to stupid to be employable.

The unions run this town, and along with a socialist government have a dogma style thinking that Welfare and handouts is okay.

Someone said in a previous post they visited Chicago and he only encountered a bunch of pricks. what we need in Winnipeg is for some of these pricks to move here and clean up our city.”

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“I happily left Winnipeg. I found people thier to be extremely vandictive. Nothing better to do than sale dope and spread the hate. This is how you get caught. Too many fake people for my taste. No wonder it’s the murder capital. If the shoe fits.”

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“Winnipeg aka “Detroit Of The North”

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“I think it is also VERY HUMEROUS that Winnipeg is to be the host of the ‘Human Rights Museum’ They should put a wax stature of little Helen Betty Osborne, JJ Harper, and all the poor little native kids who are preyed on by middle class white men who come into the inner city at night.

Why are poor little native kids out on the streets at night. I will also add, shame on those men, they are the scum of the scum.”

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“Hey man! Winnipiggy’s a great place – if yor in a union , wk for the govt, or..went to kindergarten with your pals here. LOL!!!

This is for you “GetOuttaTown”
Couple more fact about you and your shit hole city!!
Murder Capital!
Criminal safe city!(they all go there to hide)
Dirty filthy sick city!
Flat and boring!
Useless police department!
North end!(speaks for itself!!)
Most of the women are men!(goes the other way 2!!)
Jobs are crap!
Indian infestation!
Downtown skyline!(whatever!)
Call me a loser….? Sure go ahead!! Whatever it takes to make you feel better about you and that city of yours!! LOL!!
This is fun slamming you and winnipeg!!!!
Best part is that…..? IT’S ALL TRUE!!! LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!
Do yourself a favor…..GetOuttaTown!! Just don’t come to Alberta!!!HAHA!!!”

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“I hate to say I agree with the negative comments about Winnipeg (as I was born and raised there), however most of them are true….I live in Stuttgart Germany now and have lived in Calgary, and London England as well…All over the world they have never heard of Winnipeg or if they have they only know what a dump it is….Like I said I hate to agree, but it is a massive shithole…The only ones who don’t think so are the ones that can’t leave….PS Edmonton is as big a shithole as Winnipeg only more expensive.”

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“Ok-I have read this entire post and found it quite interesting and educational.Its like a little gossip spot by your neighborhood.

I am originally from a good city in Africa and those who say that Winnipeg is paradise to immigrants are wrong.I have lived in Winnipeg for 2 years and firmly believe that ist doesn’t matter where you live-if you have the right attitude-you will have a good time,but if you have a negative attitude-no matter where you go-you will always bitch around like an immature brat.Here we go:

1)Winnipeg downtown-its so deserted and people are just creepy.Mostly the dirty Indians who are confrontational.You walk around and many people seem retarded for some reason-i suppose the city has its unfair share of old people and drug addicts.The people on the streets seem strange for some reason.

The mayor should work on improving the downtown image by getting drunkards off and letting in more businesses and restaurants by way of incentives.

2)Winnipeg transit-The buses have the most awful people I have seen in my life-people are dirty,smelly and the buses are never cleaned.I once sat next to an indian who spit on the bus floor-That was shocking.Manner less brutes.

3)Health care sucks-I had it great in Africa-all you had to do was go to a doc and withing an hour you are off with medicine.Going to a walk in clinic is such a hassle.The nurse once told me the doc was sick and the following day-she told me they will close by 4 pm-so i better hurry.

4)Not even a large single supermarket downtown.Most shopping places are in the suburbs-which is weird for a city with 700k plus population.

5)People look bored,mean and tired.Good girls think everyone is creepy.Many people look down upon people who dont look like them-except a few young ones.

6)The weather is cold-but there’s nothing you can do about that-other than find things to do and dress well.

7)Crime-Its been blown out of proportion by the media-most large cities have a fair share of crime.Besides-random shootings arent that common.Mostly gangs if you ask me

8)The parks are beautiful,may neighborhoods in the south are excellent-but the areas in the north need some improvements.

8)Jobs jobs-why bring people here when there are no good jobs?.Encourage private enterprise and set aside youth development funds.Encourage new ideas with venture capital.”

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“Nah the whole staement is true!!

Winnipeg is a f#king sht hole man!!

I was born and grew up in Winnipeg. I left when i was 18 years old and have never been back.

It is by far the worst place to live perhap in the world??

I really feel sorry for anyone stuck in Winnipeg and all i have to say is get out while you can!!

If you choose to live there, well then you really are a silly f*#ker arent ya??”

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“Winnipeg reminds me of a pile of dog shit and human vomit. In some ways, I compare this city to Detroit. Look at it, this city is overall ugly, dirty, an abundance of abandoned buildings, a mediocre downtown, shitty economy, low wages. Its no wonder cities like Vancouver, Kelowna, Victoria, Calgary are like a haven for Winnipeggers. To be honest, I don’t think this city has a future.”

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“Winnipeg women are so fat and disgusting, Winnipeg women make me sick.”

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“I have lived here for 5 years now can’t wait to move out of this city, it is a really grey city not so clean, no one knows how to signal when they drive and if you do people speed up and dont let you in. this has been one of the worst places i have been to. i agree with most comments said already.”

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“Winnipeg is far the worst place i ever been i grew up here school was hell with all the aborginal gangsters picking on everyone starting random fights drug dealing shooting houses and our small well fair air port that no one goes to winnipeg is a place where people visit not live i hate this place its a shit hole half the people i went to high school with moved or either got jumped killed by these shooting police take for ever to arrive there always busy i hate winnipeg once i turn 20 im out of there for sure i will by my parents a house so they will not have to live through this shit hold place of canada no one ever does anything for winnipeg its a shit hole broken roads small ass city gang wars little kids acting like they run things every generation in winnipeg ended up being the same winnipeg is one of the most uneasiest places say i were to go walk in the streets of edmonton in the night to my house from work i would be fine theres a large population there no one can really do anything your walking in winnipeg 3 or 4 guys come at you even though its public there going to beat you take your clothes and money and leave 2 days later the police arrive i been through so much stuff in this hell hole our premieres our prime minister has not done anything since for winnipeg its not even growing 11 of my friends moved to edmonton and toronto in this past month theres drug dealers everywhere people being beat killed bodys arents found its a shit hole theres not enough money to do this and that broken roads no brand name stores 3 or 4 malls drug houses people smoking weed in public drinking in public stores being robbbed”

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“I hate Winnipeg with all my heart and soul. It’s the people here, really, that make it such a lousy place. Rude, no vision… if the City of Winnipeg was a PERSON, it would be someone very old, very bitter, very set in their ways, who does nothing but sit around all day whining about how every penny of tax money is spent.”

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“Been In Europe and most of Canada, this is a shit-hole. Keep the immigrants coming, the gangs need to increase their numbers….lol

Fuck the bloods or cryps would tear these faggots apart.
The Wpg police are wanna be TV cops, it’s a joke here, they don’t clean up crime, neither does the fat mayor. Ah, a city of love….lol”

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“There is a fix for this city, lets ask the US to nuke us for our own good.

We should be absorbed by the US, then laws would change, we’d have the right to bear arms as is in the US consistution and kill any bastard that attacks us or our loved ones in self defense. And blow any fucker away that goes on our property.

Where now god forbid you hurt an intruder, lets say raped your wife, you also go to jail.

God Love This Country !”

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“immigrants are the only people who make winnipeg prosper
go to the u of m and see how it survives on immigrant fees.”

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“I just came back from Vancouver for a little holiday, i couldn’t believe how beautiful and gorgeous that city was compared to his wasteland, there is simply no comparison, its like comparing a hot sexy female model to a fat, disgusting, obese chick with armpit hairs. Talk about a world of difference. Sure, living in Vancouver may be more expensive but its considered a first class city and one of the most livable cities in the world, believe it or not. Let the truth be known.”

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“Lived in Winnipeg for a while and I would never go back. I’ve been all around this country and have lived in many cities and Winnipeg was by far the worst. There are few hills and the city is run-down and uninviting. I’m glad you like the city, Winnipeggers, but I gotta say I found it extremely depressing.”

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“This is the worst place hands down of anywhere I have ever lived, or have seen. I came here because I had to, and now I am leaving.

I am the type of person to find some redeeming quality in almost anything, but over and over again I come up stumped with regards to Winnipeg.

The good attitude I brought here has been systematically erased by cold, filth, ridiculously poor service, horrible, bleak scenery, garbage, lack of culture, a plethora of chain restaurants and even basic shopping is terrible.I have to order at my expense any item of quality off the internet because there are such awful shops here, no curb appeal in the neighbourhoods,and the radio stations are shit, the roads are like something after an earthquake, downtown is unsafe and something out of a lynch movie, the people are fat and the malls are packed because there is nothing else to do. And that is just a start!

I will undo all the irreperable harm that living, and I say that loosely, here has caused me. If you are on this site because you are thinking of moving here, play pin the tail on the donkey on a map of the world. You’d have a much better chance at a good life.

I am leaving and never coming back.
Thanks for nothing, Winnipeg!”

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“Rachel, you have eloquently described all the things I hate about this city. I came here three years ago with so much optimism and it has been methodically beaten out of me by this city. These days IÂ’m just playing at looking happy as I count the days to graduation so I can leave.

The service, and particularly their understanding of the concept customer service, is absolutely appalling to me.

Shopping is a nightmare! They claim that cost of living is cheap here, but I am spending more here because I have to buy everything online as I can’t find quality affordable clothing here nor can I find current styles. It’s depressing to see people on the streets, it’s like I’ve stepped back decades in time. It’s cheap here because you get what you pay for.

Entertainment wise there is very little to do and what little there is to do become boring after the third time. I can’t see movies I like when they are released because they don’t to the theatres until months later if they do come (not talking about the mainstream fodder). I’ve had to fly out of province three times in three years just to be able to see the live music I like. The one time a band came here that I liked their tour bus gets robbed at The Burton Cummings Theatre – the first time ever anywhere in 10 years of touring. Welcome to Winnipeg! So true about the radio stations – I just listen to internet radio now.

I can’t find 90% of the titles I search for at the public library and I have to wait sometimes a year to get the ones I do find.

The winters are brutal; I can’t seem to get warm no matter how many layers I put on, even with comforter-like coats. There is no way to be stylish and warm in this city.

I could go on, but you get the picture. If you are a person looking for a vibrant, exciting and invigorating place to live – this is not it.”

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“Rachel, I agree 100%!! I feel like the city caused me a lot of emotional damage and damage to my positive attitude that I brought with me. This city suck the energy out of you. Good to know, it’s not only me who feels the same way.”

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“winnipeg seems kind of sad because the main industry seems to be social services for the down and out. that and agriculture – not much else. everyhing is a substance abuse center, pawn shop and thrift shop.”

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“Most racist, no class, cliquish, clonish, small town paranoia type, miserable and unfriendly – That’s Winterpeg.”

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“This place is an absolute sh*t-hole. Some have called it the a$$hole of the world, and for very good reason. Winnipeggers are cheap, miserable, boring, have no fashion sense, no pride, and they are contentious, rude, arrogant, back-stabbing, and very juvenile. I know this because I have lived here my entire miserable life and can’t wait to leave and go somewhere real that doesn’t look like a third-world country. I also can’t wait to meet people who WON’T smile into my face and then stab me in the back the first chance they get. If anyone here believes this is a great place for a young-at-heart career oriented individual to have a good life, I’ll ask them how much solvents they’ve sniffed today.”

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“It seems most Winnipeg are totally unsympathetic to the needs of most newcomers. There is an ignorance that prevails here due to there own comfortably. I also think that the harsher climate and bad weather conditions, as well as an unstable rich ruling class environment tend to desensitise others to the needs of others.”

People are really struggling themselves. Hurting people hurt or neglect others.

I’ve been here ten years. And I have yet to make ONE consistent friend. Of course many will jump to conclusions and say I must be defective or skewed somehow. I am not. Before coming to Winnipeg as a local musician I enjoy a vibrant social circle of friends.”

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“I have lived here for 3 years. The best part of this city is what I see in the rear view mirror on my way out of town on my way to work. Is it the cold winter’s I hate? Nope. The crumbling infastructure? Partially. What tops the list is the people. I was in Halifax not long ago. Did you know that the drivers there actually stop for pedistrians? In Winnipeg the drivers speed up and aim the car at someone crossing the street. And don’t get me started about the idiots on bikes. I watched one moron run every single red light on Broadway the other day. Every single one! Can you say death wish? Clerks in stores are rude, drivers are rude, and even the lawn care guy is rude. Friendly Winnipegers? Maybe the hookers are. Don’t bother with the “if you don’t like it you can leave” argument. First chance I get, I’m outa this toilet.”

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“I agree with most people on this form, but what gets to me is the crime in the city, I mean get it under control. Declare martial law, search people if you have to, quarantine the areas that are crime ridden. I feel like I have to be like the guy from the movie “kickass” or “Deathwish” and go gang hunting. Fear is among the streets of Winnipeg and the Police do nothing about it. It’s time to let loose the wild dogs and remove the cancer that plagues our city. Winnipeg is festering crap hole, has little going for it. People find corpses in the rivers, people get shot or stabbed, I know every city is not perfect but this one has nothing to counter the balance. Also there is nothing to do at night if your not into bars or clubs. The transit system is a joke, an exchange student said Winnipeg is ridiculous – takes an hour and a half to get from downtown to st.vital on a sat, while back in Berlin she could get twice the distance in half the time. People are rude, have no life spirit, no energy – and I don’t blame them. I see people in bad moods nonstop and the only reason you would ever move to this city, is how cheap it is. It’s sad that our leaders don’t do anything, I can say with sad confidence that this city will be Canada’s shit stain in a matter of ten or fifteen years”

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“Mostly bad experiences in Winnipeg. I have traveled the world but settled here for the last Five years as my wife is a winnipeger. She has always wanted to get away, I have never liked it, and now we have a little one we are definitly leaving.

I find most people who were born in Winnipeg really dont know any different as most have never traveled. Saying that, nearly everyone I work with complains all the time about something here, quite a depressing place really. the news every night is about shootings and gang violence.

I could afford to buy a great house with a pool but to me there is much more to life than a house. Will miss Assinaboine park and Gimly but nothing else, Gangs are out of control, problems even spready to good areas, infastructure is just horible, I have been to 3rd world countries in better shape. Winter pretty much wipes out half the year, and mosqitoes ruin what is left. Only time it is vaguely nice is April and may.
We are leaving soon for good, and I cant wait!”

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“My top 10 reasons for reasons for not liking winnipeg.

  1. Crime is out of conrtol
  2. Winter
  3. Summer(may be hot but is always bloody humid and sticky. 30degrees in the med is what I call a summer!
  4. Mosquitoes. cant even sit out and watch the sunset whithout being carried away by them.
  5. Infastructure is a joke, so many broken roads/sidewalks, steel rebar sticking out the concrete everywhere, weeds growing out of all the cracks,
  6. Bloody miles from anywhere, have to fly or drive for a day to get out of here.
  7. Geographically dull. lots of rivers but just mucky brown. furthest you can normally see is the next trafic light. No natural beauty unless you like flat fields and shabby buildings.
  8. Traffic lights, roads are a joke, no main through routes in the city.
  9. No dirct flights to europe anymore, total pain transfering whhen you have kids, makes for very long and tiring journey.
  10. People cannot drive, one of the most hostile cities I’ve driven in. drivers here are just simply stupid, apart for the odd exception.”

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“I have never seen a more accurate description of the Peg. As an outsider who has been living in the compassionless hell for eleven years. I couldn’t agree more. And as for the ignorant responses that will follow, I could care less!”

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“This answer sums up everything I have been thinking. This is a city without compassion. People are very selfish and self centered. What I haven’t seen anyone mention as of yet is how uncaring and compassionless people are towards the economically challenged. The poor here are treated in a disgusting way. I’ve never seen such a socially enforced cast system in my life. Please do not move here if you are not finacially secure. No one will care if you end up on the streets or destitute. Winnipegers will just continue there “suck it up sunshine” attitude. Please do not come, especially with children. They will be at odds with other children whose families are deeply rooted in this community. Even if you are offered a job transfer with increased salary and wonderful benefits, it won’t be worth it. You will end up alone and longing to go home. I am trying hard to get out of this city and back to Kitchener, Ontario where I am from. I am so sorry I came here with my family.

Don’t expect a merciful clergy either. The clery in Winnipeg is corrupt and uncaring. Wealth eletists run the churches here. The theology is horrible and base. Most churches have been infiltrated by bizarre charasmatic teachings that seem more like a hybrid between new age teachings and witchcraft than love and community based faith in action. Oh and Love Winnipeg is a joke. People need to love people in their community EVERYDAY, not just once a year.”

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“What I’ve noticed about most Winnipegers is that they almost never leave Winnipeg. They think this city is great because they’ve had nothing to compare it to. The extent of their travelling has been to Regina or Grand Forks. Let me fill everyone in on the worst things about Winnipeg:

  1. Traffic. Someone posted some inane comment that we have “no traffic jams” HA! Winnipeg has THE WORST infrastructure in the free world! Even a dinky town like Grand Forks has a freeway system! But Winnipeg? Oh no, I’m pretty sure that they have an entire council of people who put their heads together to find the cheapest, most inefficient way possible for getting people from point A to point B. The entire city is run on a grid system, with stop signs, traffic lights and railroad crossings EVERYWHERE! You can’t find ONE non-stop route in this whole stupid city! And if there’s so much as one house within 50 yards of the street, they lower the speed limit to 50 km/hr. Even if it’s a 4 lane road! Oh ya, and then they put up photo radar everwhere….you know….for public safety (not because it’s the only major source of revenue in this town besides casinos).
  2. Blue collar mentality. Winnipeg is full of your typical “Homer Simpson” idiots. The highlight of their week is Sunday night cruise on Portage Avenue. Need I say more?
  3. Too many Indians. It’s like a freaking reserve in this city. Everyone’s on social assistance, and the murder rate is the higest in Canada (hmmmm wonder why?)
  4. Bad weather. There’s snow on the ground for 6 months of the year, and the rest of the time, it’s raining.
  5. Too many ugly chicks who think they’re the cat’s meow. People above mentioned how unfriendly Winnipeg is. Ain’t that the truth?! This goes DOUBLE for the women. They’re stuck up and fat. I travel a lot (to take a break from this place), and often go to L.A. You’d think that the women in L.A. would be stuck up (they could get away with it, the way they look out there). Not so. They’re incredibly friendly, flirty, and unlike anything I’ve found in Winnipeg.

It definitely is the worst city in Canada for so many reasons. The only thing going for it is that no one wants to live here, so there are jobs, and it’s relatively cheap (except for the taxes, but that’s another rant).”

***

“I moved to Winnipeg from Toronto. but take in account that i lived in China for a lengthy amount of time as well. Needless to say, I’ve been here for 2 months, and next week Friday I will be going to my first ever therapy session, to talk about my feelings towards this city.

Avoid this city like the plague, don’t even fucking drive through this dump.”

***

“Every time I walk downtown and come across a typical drunk native/aboriginal/first nation,it reminds me of a Zombie.

They are always drunk,limping,dirty,talk funny and have facial wounds.
Is winnipeg a ZOMBIE city and what is the mayor doing about the zombies?”

***

“Honestly, I went to Winnipeg for work and found myself sitting in my hotel room for 3 days. Drove through “Assiboine Park?”, went to the Forks, but couldn’t stay due to the bat sized mosquitoes in the day and the natives at night. Couldn’t go to the bars at night, I left my G-Unit clothing at home. No natural beauty.
I have to say, it’s even worse than Prince George.”

***

“I agree with most of the posts above. I have lived here all my life. Unless you are mentally ill, drink, or a criminal, Winnipeg is not for you. It was run better in the 90’s, at least you could voice an opinion without wondering if you will be punished for it! There is no leadership whatsoever now, and it’s beyond disorganization. I along with others hope to leave here too. It’s almost as if Winnipeg has become schizophrenic. The other provinces laugh at us all the time, that we are so behind, and so stupid.”

***

“This city is a complete shithole, downtown is shit, theres really no nice areas in this city, sure, ppl can say that other cities suck, but they don’t know what they have til you come to winnipeg, i’m sure they’ll change their mind. I’ve been to Toronto, Montreal, Calgary, Vancouver, those are what i call cities, u know why, they have a thing called VITALITY, winnipeg doesn’t have that, winnipeg is a dying city and everybody knows that, sure, having a humans right museum, a new IKEA and a new stadium which is out in the boonies might help rejuvinate winnipeg, but not in long run, thats not enough, im sorry to say, but winnipeg needs more to keep up with other major canadian cities if they want to be respected and not look like a complete joke.”

***

“winnipeg is great if you’re from eritrea”

***

“read the globe and mail. canada prices are 15-35% above american prices. plus manitoba is one of most heavily-taxed (and poorest) provinces.”

***

“I absolutely agree, how can the provinces slogan be “friendly Manitoba” when this is a total lie? Since moving here 4 years ago, we have experienced people who are rude, stand offish, have chips on their little shoulders, no sense of humour and weird in the true sense of the word. We want to move, but were worried if all Canadians are like this or just insular, small city in a big pond Winnipeg.”

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“I have grown to loathe Winnipeg. I can’t go in my back yard for most of the summer as the mosquitoes will eat me alive. Forget about going out of the city as I’ve done to visit my parents’ grave. They will attack you with a vengeance. Winters, even WITH the remote start in my car are hellish, not fit for man nor beast It’s very true it’s hard to make friends. I’ve joined several classes and the women might say hi but that’s about it. They come with their friends and that’s who they talk to. I’m retired now – off to Arizona for the winters where the people are very friendly. What a nice chance from this rat hole.

Yes, many towns and cities have problems, but Winnipeg really stands out. According to Environment Canada, it is the coldest city in the world of its size. It is also the fetal alcohol capital of North America. Manitoba is one of the highest-taxed provinces, and much of that money is wasted by the NDP.”

(http://www.topix.com/forum/ca/winnipeg-mb/TFVOJN02T5NPI84SK/p51)

Just a little over a third of the way through the comments, will stop here. Suffice to say, Winnipeg is a shit hole! Don’t claim you weren’t warned … !

See: Winnipeg Rants (part one)

Canada is a Shit Hole

I would love to live in Europe but unfortunately I don’t qualify for long-term residence, maybe in the future. So for now I content myself with going to the USA – a place I can appreciate despite its many issues. The United States is large and diverse enough that life is what you make it. Unfortunately (as I know well from personal experience) the same cannot be said for Canada.

I am constantly bombarded with fear mongering about the USA. It’s as though Canadians can’t fathom that there are more living options than the rough neighborhoods in Chicago, Baltimore or south-central Los Angeles. The absurdity of the anti-American propaganda is indescribable. Yes there are some bad people down there, and terrible things do happen, but they also happen here. So let’s take a look at some “Canadian” living
:

Canada’s three major cities (Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver) house more than a third of the population. Outside these locations the majority of Canadians live in small cities and towns; less than 1 in 5 live in rural areas. 


For 2018 the most dangerous places are listed by MacLean’s magazine, rated according to the Crime Severity Index:


1) North Battleford, Saskatchewan (pop: 13,567)


2) Thompson, Manitoba (pop: 12,878)


3) Wetaskiwin, Alberta (pop: 12,486)


4) Prince Albert & area, Saskatchewan (pop: 35,102)


5) Portage la Prairie, Manitoba (pop: 12,949)


6) Red Deer, Alberta (pop: 99,718)


7) Williams Lake, British Columbia (pop: 10,508)


8) Quesnel, British Columbia (pop: 12,064)


9) Langley, British Columbia (pop: 117,285)


10) Prince George, British Columbia (pop: 65,510)


[Note: population data taken from latest government census reports available (2016). Current stats should be roughly equivalent.]



In 2017, the five worst cities by crime rate were:


5) Edmonton: “The city has had a persistent problem with violent crime, especially sex-based crimes such as sexual assault, aggravated sexual assault, and sexual violations against children.”


4) Regina: “Regina, ranks rather highly (or lowly, depending on how you look at it) when it comes to overall violent crime in Canada.  It’s been trading places with Saskatoon the past few years …”


3) Saskatoon: “The city has flipped back and forth with Regina (see above) in the overall rankings, and has sometimes even found itself at the ignominious “top” of the standings.”


2) Thunder Bay: “While it ranks eighth in overall crime, the CBC reported that it’s the second-most violent city in Canada.  Sadly, that rating isn’t a one-off incident, either.  In 2012, the homicide rate was higher in Thunder Bay than in any other major metropolitan area in Canada.”


1) Winnipeg: “… but for all of that, the notorious neighbourhoods which make up the North-Central portion of Winnipeg, from South Point Douglas to West Broadway, reported double the crime rate of Compton, California in 2012.”



In 2016, the most dangerous cities according to MacLean’s: (Crime Severity Index)


1. Grande Prairie, Alta. (pop: 63,166)

2. Victoria, B.C. (pop: 84,289)
3. Red Deer, Alta. (pop: 100,418)
4. Prince George, B.C. (pop: 65,510)
5. Winnipeg, Man. (pop: 709,253)
6. Saskatoon, Sask. (pop: 254,569)
7. Fort McMurray, Alta. (pop: 61,374)
8. Thunder Bay, Ont. (pop: 110,984)
9. Surrey, BC (pop: 498,720)
10. Edmonton, Alta. (pop: 928,182)

Over half are at about 100k people or less! “Safe Canada?” Not so much.


There was only one article on the subject in the Canadian Encyclopedia. Aside from Detroit’s significantly higher homicide rate, it had this to say:

“We fare no better than the U.S. in other areas. The break and enter rates in Chilliwack, B.C., Victoria and Regina, for instance, rank within the top 10 per cent of all American cities.

The per capita robbery rates in Saskatoon, Winnipeg and Regina would put them among the top 10 robbery-plagued metropolitan areas of the U.S. And you are far more likely to have your automobile stolen in Winnipeg or Joliette, Que., than anywhere in the U.S., including metropolitan Detroit and Las Vegas, the auto theft capitals of America.

Even at that, a crime analysis this January by the Vancouver Board of Trade concludes official rates are misleadingly low: “only about one-third of actual crimes in Canada are reported to police.”

At the time the article was written the most dangerous cities in the country were listed as: Regina, Saskatoon and Winnipeg, followed by Prince George, Edmonton, New Westminster (pop: 70,996), Chilliwack (pop: 83,788), Victoria (pop: 84,289), Vancouver and Halifax (pop: 414,129). And I’m quoting fairly recent population statistics, these locations would’ve been even less populated at the time.

When we skip back to 2010, Maclean’s said the most dangerous were:

1 Prince George, B.C.
2 Victoria, B.C. 
3 Regina, Sask. 
4 Saskatoon, Sask. 
5 Fort McMurray, Alta. 
6 Kelowna, B.C. (pop: 179,839)
7 Grande Prairie, Alta.
8 Surrey, B.C. 
9 Chilliwack, B.C. 
10 Winnipeg, Man. 
11 Red Deer, Alta. 
12 Nanaimo, B.C. (pop: 83,810) 
13 Edmonton, Alta. 
14 New Westminster, B.C.(pop: 65,976)
15 Belleville, Ont. (pop: 92,540)

Again, most of these places barely scraping the 100k mark


You can view a documentary on missing women from the
‘Highway of Tears’ regions.

The film includes Vanderhoof, a small northern community of less than 5,000 people. Vanderhoof is a great example of the real Canada:


In 2012, two men murdered a woman there. In 2013, at least two people were murdered there. In 2014, a serial killer born and raised there was sentenced for the murders of four women in the region. In 2015, three Vanderhoof locals were charged with that year’s first murder in nearby Prince George. In 2016, two people were sentenced for the murder and beheading of a local man. In 2018 a local man was murdered in a hotel. 


And as a report from Statistics Canada makes clear: children and youth are in more danger in small towns, rural areas and minor cities than in Canada’s most populated centers (family and non-familial violence).



So the only halfway decent places (by Canadian standards) worth living in are Vancouver, Toronto, Montreal and Calgary. But trust me, I’ll be getting around to a post on these last three
.

I walked around inebriated in numerous Los Angeles neighborhoods, alone, and felt far safer than I have in many places in shit hole Canada. (The people were far nicer too, even the ‘undesirables’.)


My point? CANADA IS A SHIT HOLE.


It’s a cold, boring, violent, stagnant place with all of America’s problems, racism, violence and crime – yet none of the benefits of living in such a diverse, interesting place filled with passionate people. Canadians are smug about “safe” Canada … delusional as usual.


2020 update

Most dangerous (and population):

  1. Thompson, Manitoba (13,678)
  2. North Battleford, Saskatchewan (14,315)
  3. Portage la Prairie, Manitoba (13,000)
  4. Prince Albert & area, Saskatchewan (43,000)
  5. Quesnel, British Columbia (23,000)
  6. Wetaskiwin, Alberta (12,655)
  7. Selkirk, Manitoba (10,278)
  8. Terrace, British Columbia (11,643)
  9. Williams Lake, British Columbia (10,753)
  10. Timmins, Ontario (41,788)

None of the top 10 have made the 100k pop mark – way to go Canada! Let’s take a look at the next 10:

Prince Rupert, B.C. (11,733) / Kenora & Area, ON (15,096) / Winnipeg, MB (749,534) / Thunder Bay & area, ON (121, 621) / Yorkton, SK (19,643) / New Glasgow, NS (9,075) / Port Alberni, B.C. (18,000) / Fort St. John, B.C. (21,000) / Prince George, B.C. (81,345) / Greater Napanee, ON (15,892).

And two places made it over the 100k mark! Check back in 5 years for more of the same.

Winnipeg: Rants

“The definition of “Winnipeg”:

We love to talk about things. We love to examine things. We love to look for the cheapest possible option. And we love to rally against change. Change of any kind. We don’t want anything new, modern, or state-of-the-art. Oh-unless $0.00 of our tax money is used, of course. 


We do nothing but whine about complain about how every penny of tax money is spent. If it’s going to make Winnipeg a more fun, exciting, desirable place to live, we’re against it before even knowing what it is. Or without even understanding how it will benefit us.

We embrace our “inferiority complex”. Edmonton? Ottawa? Calgary? Well.. they’re all richer than us. They can afford things. We can’t. They’re superior to us, with all their well-to-do citizens. Here? It’s Kraft Dinner nightly and just scraping by with each bi-weekly meager paycheque. 

This is shitty Winnipeg- new, exciting, bold things don’t happen here. Because they’re not supposed to. We’ll join the 21st century when we’re good and ready- and not a moment sooner.

***

“You should post that on newwinnipeg.com . A poster by the name of Northender will tell you how safe walking down Selkirk Av and McGregor St at 1:00 AM is. And appearantly we should all move to the North End, becuase it has hardly any crime, and no gangs, according to Northender..

***

“Winnipeg sucks, theres nothing to do here, especially in winter when it gets blistering cold to the point, you feel like your limbs are gonna freeze and fall out. The nightscene ain’t all that great, some bars are deader than others on a sat night which is something i don’t understand, i’ve been to other cities like Vancouver, Toronto, Montreal and btw, Montreal is the best city when it comes to this subject, bar none, but back to Weinerpeg, somethings definitely lackin in the nightscene. Then again, theres other problems besides that, for example, no NHL team, shopping experience here is non existent compared to other cities, ugly depressing downtown, shitty roads, mosquitoes the size of vultures, high crime and high car thefts, this city is everything a city shouldn’t be in other words, WINNIPEG SUCKS !!!!!

***

“I join to your words. Winnipeg is a sh1thole. I mentioned already in “Winnipeg is a hellhole” topic 10 reasons why Winnipeg sucks.

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“I lived there for a couple of years! It is the worst place in Canada. Terrible people…ugly city…the worst of the worst is in Winnipeg! I so thankful not to be in the worst place in Canada anymore.


“born and raised and i cannot think of a town with such a small minded personna.rampent nimbyisim and a fear of change

***

‘The definition of “Winnipeg”:’ An ugly city with dreadful winters not much to do and a bunch of petty, small minded people who’ve convinced themselves contrary to all evidence that they don’t really live in a shithole.

***

“Small minded is right. My dad was Scottish, and had worked in many places around the world. He was working in Toronto, but then was transferred to Winnipeg. No one cared where he had been before, or that he wasn’t ‘from the east’ technically speaking…they couldn’t get past the fact he had most recently been working in Toronto. Of course, they hated him even more because the rubes that stayed in Winnipeg had totally f’ed up a project they were working on and someone had to come in and show them how to do it right. 

Most of the spending their is public sector, so no one cares if things go off the rails, but it was a private sector project and they had to try to meet timelines and budgets and discovered that they couldn’t wipe their behinds. 

Anyone with any ambition should get the heck out of there as soon as they are finished high school.

***

@ FBOMBER

Where the hell do you downhill ski in Winnipeg LOL. Former landfill sites with t-bar lifts don’t count.

***

“Been to winnipeg 4 times, twice i found myself without my vehicle. I don’t plan to return. People weren’t very friendly but I guess u can find that anywhere. It is colder than cold there. Go to vancouver or montreal for a good time.

***


“I agree with you on just one point, and that is your point about the sunsets; you can’t see the ugliness that is Winnipeg after the sun vanishes for the night.

***

“Just two cents from living experience,,,,I was born and raised here,,,,left this city in 1992 and lived in Vancouver, California and a virtual cornfield of a small town in the US midwest….I got back here two years ago to find Winnipeg is exactly the same as it was in 1992!! The geography, the buildings, the parks, rivers, landscape are perfectly fine and can’t be compared to anywhere else on earth,,,,everywhere on this gorgeous globe is different from another place…..what makes Winnipeg such a horrible city is the fact that every Winnipegger I’ve met, save for 3 of them, in the last two years has made sure to crap all over their own hometown right to my ears!!! I can’t believe the hatred of everything local and afar that I’ve encountered since I got back….If anyone here hasn’t lived in Winnipeg (I did for 3 decades at once),,,,they are speaking from pure ignorance,,,those who speak from personal life experience such as I are more than valid in their opinions of this city-awaiting-holocaust! Gawd I hope to be outta here by Xmas,,,,I came back hoping to invest big time and big $ in this city and I’ve been convinced by every slice of humanity one can imagine that this is the worst place in Canada to even think of settling and being a happy, decent, open-minded human being….I just can’t seem to work up the hatred it seems to take to live here!,,,,lol, I’m too busy working on another business plan!

“The very idea of change or improvement is met with total resistance by everyone I’ve met…this city should be a gravel-roaded panorama of brick buildings, identical rowhouses, and gas light lamps to satisfy the local population. It’s a nightmare of pure hate,,,,not political hate, but just hate for everyone at once, there doesn’t seem to be any exclusions for individual human beings that one can shake hands with…those aren’t real here, only the concepts of whatever “tribe” one associates with is what counts here. 

It’s a factory-built, cheapo southeast Asian import, deep discount, hate-filled, politically incorrect pit of venom and collective diminuation of human beings, cultureless city that should be returned to grassland in my opinion,,,,,I’ve now lived here for 32 years! I’ll never make the mistake of returning to this horror again….EVER!!

***

 “Yeh I went to a bar there (male) recently. I was buying a drink when I was surrounded by 5 people (3 male 2 female) Having no previous engagement they surrounded me continuously saying “Your sexy and you know it”! and rubbing my body… believe me I really don’t appreciate being touched by that many people- especially dudes. On my way home all the taxi services let us freeze to death until we literally jumped infront of one. We seen a guy who was laying on the ground covered in blood outside the delta. A few days later that night in another incident a person had been stabbed in an unrelated instance the exact same night.. cops would litterally drive past fighting in the street. THIS IS NOT A CITY TO EVER GO TOO NO MATER WHAT!!! STAY AWAY!!!

***

“That’s hilarious! I lived in the North end for just under 20 years. I was SO happy to get out of there. Now, I can accidentally leave something outside overnight and it’s STILL THERE the next morning. Not so in the North End.


It may have been illegal, but I kept a loaded shotgun near my bed every night for the past 15 years. I was lucky in that I never had to use it.

***

“Dude, that sounds very creepy. It seems some Winnipegger’s have this need to make unrequested bodily contact, even if you do your best to drop hints, they just don’t get it. There are certain places in the world where they’d be killed for pulling that shit.

***

“I lived in that poop hole for over 40 years before I wised up and moved to the maritimes. Winnipeg isin’t friendly, maybe 30 years ago but not now. Once you travel across Canada and see other cities you realize Winnipeg is one big cesspool of filth. This coming from an ex pegger that used to fiercely defend that bunghole. Do yourself a favour and get out of that scum pond.

***

“Winnipeg is the largest unofficial aboriginal reserve in the country. They have all the criminal morons here. Earlier, I had some scarred aboriginal dude banging on my door and trying to pick my lock in the door. Called the cops, before they got, he escaped, then 30 minutes later returned and tried to break my door again and this time the cops got him. There are no wards to describe this shithole!!!! I hate this city “downtown” especially! Nothing good here, only crime, scum and run down infrastructure.

***

“Your a reason why i hate this city too, F*cking racist, Thats the reason this city is such a shit hole. The city doesn’t try to do anything about it, in poverty stricken areas they set up beer vendors and bars, how the hell will that help anyone progress out of poverty? It won’t. This place will continue to be a sh*t hole since half of the white population hate natives with a passion

***

“That has got to be the weakest and most illogical argument I think I’ve ever heard when it comes to Winnipeg’s violent crime problem. Blaming businesses for society’s abuse problems amounts to taking zero responsibility for one’s addictions. If you want to blame anyone, you blame the city of Winnipeg’s Zoning and Bylaw department. By the way, there’s a certain pawn shop in the city that happens to be conveniently located inside the same building as a bar and beer vendor, originally funded by a greedy Metis businessman who took advantage of impoverished people for decades. Maybe you should look at the actions of your own people before blaming society for your misfortunes. Grow up and take some responsibility and quit playing the race card as an excuse.

***

“Most of the natives are the welfare sucking scumbags in this country, it is a fact.

***

“What are you talking about skiing. The place is so flat. There. No skiing.there are no hills. Who ever plays hockey is moronic. The only thing to do in this province is drink. Or bang your head against a wall until you pass out and don’t have to deal with this s@$t hole!

***

“lived here for soo many years and finally moving.

“Winnipeg is an obscure city, never seen mor young wannabes with no drive, inbreds, low intelligence and then an infrastructure like a third world country.

Let us not forget the lovely downtown but we are bonuses with lovely st James, polo park is fun but but not overshadowed by the north end, and no I didn’t forget about transcona.

It seems that all of the countries immigrants, this year 20 000 of them came here with a housing shortage for its own inhabitants.

Multiculturalism has never will never and doesn’t work.


We are a country where we are not individual and special snowflakes the government wants to sell you and the bleeding heart liberals eat up like a big Mac for an overweight cougar in a short dress and clear heels.


Have you been to wal mart in st vital lately, I felt I was in Nigeria a d Turkey at the same time.


With a small population density underplayed lower class, high welfare and natives flourishing here from reserves we have a beautiful city.


Of course there are always exceptions but on the whole it remains

One true great city doesn’t it?

Funny how we complain about the natives and immigration in private to one another.

Maybe we should take heed from Germany and stop immigration and give our mothers 3 years of maternity leave and yes paid, then per kindergarten for half a day with a person watching over them for free in the afternoon as well as for kindergarten, but probably too expensive for Canada hell immigration is more fun, you never know what ya get.
Enjoy, gettin out.

***

“Bleeding heart freaks then invite 2 natives to live in your house for free.

Or go for a walk downtown this evening, nicely dressed, anytime this evening after 7 is ok.

Hmmmmmm guess you know better, city is full of thieves, killers, crack heads, I saw a native teenager take a small cat and twist its head, snapping it, then throw it in an
Ally. 

Maybe the bleeding hearts can help rehabilitate him?
Go eat in the food court at polo park anytime, see what’s up…..lol
Or maybe you will get mugged in the malls foyer, or your car stolen.

Winnipeg and welfare, never been on it, needed it once but had too much pride and pulled through my hard times s o long ago, point is we give handouts easily, wish I was native and an immigrant, cause I would get native benefits and immigration benefits of free dental, free prescription and non prescription drugs, 2 years free college and free university for natives, why go on, getting out of this whole of a city and country.

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“Your obviously inept or were dropped on your head as a child, possibly have fetal alcohol syndrome or are all of the above including a crack baby.


Enjoy the city, gettin out and lived in Europe for 10 years and ths city let alone country offers nothing. 


Why do you think there re so many expats, if you don’t understand the word look it up, you sound like an uneducated child.

***

“It is a shit hole consumed by people living through their children’s lives, keeps them from thinking about their own life. Worst city to breed in.

***

“A big Brandon

Full of rednecks, inbreds and ho’s
All small businesses fail and makes me so happy to watch them go out of business
Life is good

***

“You need to be at least a part time drunk to fit in this place. I have no problem with the weather, it is what it is. I can’t stand how many natives (don’t mean to generalize but it’s true) are involved in crime. It’s everywhere. I live in the south end(supposedly safe) and its shit. My friend was brutally murdered for no reason by a 17&15 year old native boys. Total joke. The city is pretty damn ugly. The people for the most part are so close minded it’s not even funny. Everyone knows everyone literally. It’s pathetic. Once I’m done university I’m leaving for a long time before my ass comes back.

***

“Winnipeg is a joke. Traffic is retarted and so are the people. All “attractions” are a joke. Downtown. In every other Canadian city is lively, vibrant and never sleeping. Winnipegs downtown is full of deadbeats, it’s dirty, and if you’re there alone you probably ain’t coming back. It’s such a joke. But wait the jets will make everything better. And are new statium well that just ozes salvation from its every pore.

***

“Hmmm…have you been to any other Canadian city? Because the downtowns in all of the cities are dead at night. A little bit less dead in Montreal and Toronto, but then only on weekends for the most part. I was in Vancouver a few months back and I remember thinking how quiet the city was at night, even by Winnipeg’s standards. Canada is not Europe. Been to Vancouver’s Downtown East Side? How’s that for deadbeats…lots of used needles, real clean. You need to get out more, seriously. There’s a lot to do if you look for it. Check out your leisure guide. Check out different parts of the city for cycling or a long walk.

***

“agree completely. i have been hear a year and a half and currently on the way out. disgusting, ugly city with horrific weather. to say the people are friendly is a major over statement and undtrue. people are depressed and nasty. Can’t wait to get out of here.

***

“Let’s change the logo on the licenceplates from ” Friendly Manitoba” to “Weird Winnipeg”! People are walking around fearful or with their noses in the air. It is either self centered jerks or self absorbed snobby women. I have been told to ” eff off…I can get my own door” for politely holding a door open for a gal going into the Bay downtown. We are too conservative for our own good…afraid to try something new. I am becoming ashamed to say I am from here.

***

“I’ve been dying for a place to complain for the last 30 years… when I moved to Winnipeg from Florida. Yes, I got married to a Manitoban. 


Not only was it cold and unfriendly (compared to where I came from), there were no trees or hills or anything that warranted looking at. I tried and tried for 15 years. I was scared of going out into the prairie landscape, it was moonscape, and it felt so far from civilization, I felt stranded. I was depressed and suicidal. Finally (13 yrs. ago) we moved to Ottawa — HALLELUJAH — and I began having nightmares that we’d come back to Winnipeg and couldn’t get back home to Ottawa. I refused to go visit friends there for 10 years because it gave me the heebie jeebies to think about it. I had nightmares about Higgins Street, about driving in ruts in the snow, about long never-ending cold days, about mosquitoes and bad neighbours. I don’t think there’s anybody in the world who hates Winnipeg more than I do.

***

“never post here but really felt I needed to comment. I notice that almost all the Peg defenders cannot use grammar properly nor can they form a cohesive arguement. When one says, “Your a dumbass” what one really means is you are a dumbass or you’re a dumbass. Second, calling someone names like “mentally ill” does not prove your (not you’re) arguement- in fact, mental illness is just that- an illness and in the wider world is recognised as such. The education system in Winnipeg contributes to what a truly aweful place this is and creates this shared delusion that MB is ‘friendly’ and a great place to live. Look up the national education testing and see where your education ranks. As for the universities- my cat could get into UofM as long as I paid the tuition lol.

***

“I have been to every major city North, South, East and West of Wpg. – having travelled the whole country by car over 3 – 4 months, and it is not what other cities are. The collective consciousness of this city is imbalanced and odd. Wpg’ ers are known to be narrow minded and cheap. Our infrastructure is awful. We have 3rd world poverty in our front yards. Our poverty baseline is 10 000 a year when the rest of Canada’s is $12 500. Crime is high. Downtown is unsafe. I have never felt connected to living here, and I was and raised here. I’m looking to move to TO where there is life everywhere when you walk the streets.

***

“If I owned Winnipeg & Hell, I’d live in Hell – and rent out Winnipeg to some poor sap. Winnipeg truly is the worst city on this Earth.

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” It’s the most horrible “farm town”ever, I hate the we will mind your business for you attitude that I hate the most here. That and the ignorance and stupidity of most Winnipeggers. 


I hate WHA, Manitoba Employment Services (welfare), Winnipeg Harvest, United Way, and so many self serving so called charities here. 


It’s nothing but people who want to look down at others who live in a worst situation. I know for a fact that that rich here laugh at the natives in their faces, and think all problems are native ones. 

People in Winnipeg are also prejudice and hateful, the worst people i ever seen anywhere.  To build a human rights museum here is the worlds biggest insult to humanity.

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“WHAT MONTREAL IS NOT DEAD AT NIGHT. 

And Trust me Winnipeg is a shit hole, but mostly it’s because it caters to morons, the bottom feeders and the rich who pray on the weak. People here believe making less is a good thing, idiots !

Winnipeg is designed to keep you poor, and struggling so you can’t leave it. As a car city it forces young people to buy a car, and then they are in the trap.  


If you speak up about the problems, these mansion lead idiots who control everything here make legal trouble for you,and keep you stuck lopping though the courts, destroying peoples lives and pushing people in suicide.  


They social workers kill baby’s and get protection in doing so. This is what kind of place Winnipeg really is. Trust me 88% of places in North America you can earn more and you don’t have to be stuck living around these haters.  


The glass is actually greener in most places compared to the frozen hell hole.

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“Been here 1 week and planning on getting out. Streets are ridiculously full of snow yet thats what passes as grated. UGLY city. No class. Looks like a wasteland. Very disappointed but the good news Im just 2 hrs from beautiful Ontario. The only good thing that EVER came out of this hole was the birth of The Who. Imagine poor old Burton Cummings growing up here? No wonder he escaped. No fucking Beer stores No beer stores that deliver???? Are you kidding me? What a joke. This twon needs an enema. The asshole of Canada literally where all the shit ends up. Winner-peg. NOT!

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“Its the Guess Who. The WHO are a british band, with Pete Townsend, John Entwhistle, Keith Moon and Roger Daltry

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“I reluctantly returned to Winnipeg in July 2012 (for family reasons) after spending the previous 15 years out east (mostly in Montreal, with a few years in Quebec City and Toronto).


I have tried to keep an open mind. I’ll admit that there ARE enough activities in Winnipeg to keep people busy (theatre, arts, sports, outdoors), so this is not the problem.


My three main issues are: 


1. Wages really are lower here for the “average” person [i.e. nonprofessional but with a university education]. The exception would be if you work for the government, for Hydro, or for a national/multinational company, which all allow you to live in relative luxury with a lower level of education. The fact that Winnupeg has a lower unemployment rate just means (I speculate) that more people have lost hope and have taken those $10-$12/hr jobs that are so plentiful here. 


2. Winnipeg does not offer a god variety of housing (type, size, price range). A decent-sized, quality condo seems overpriced in Winnipeg. I was prepared to buy a place here, but the longer I stay, the more reluctant I am to actually buy property. Reasonably priced rentals are mostly awful mid-rises, 3-level walkups, or 1950s bungalows. You should be able to rent a decent place for $1000/mo. in Winnipeg, but I see that conditions changed while I was gone. Take a look at Realtor.ca to see what kinds of condos $225,000 (or less) will get you in Montreal or Quebec City; then compare them to what you can get in Winnipeg. Yes, Winnipeg real estate tends to offer better value per sq. foot (and income tax is lower), but we can never compete with the quality of life and variety in those other places. We don’t have much variety in neighbourhoods here—it’s either Osborne Village (good but still sketchy), Corydon/Lilac (stellar by Winnipeg standards), the Exchange (attractive and unique, but I would still be reluctant), or St. Boniface (some rough spots, but at least you can easily walk to those other neighbourhoods mentioned). Wolesley is nice, but surrounding neighbourhoods have some pretty serious problems (just watch the local news for a few days). I haven’t forgotten the suburbs; they’re just not worth mentioning. Seen one, seen ’em all. 


3. No matter what anyone says, you will eventually need a car in Winnipeg unless you have no family or friends to visit. I’m “low/middle income” but I never felt poor taking public transit in Montreal, QCity or Toronto—but a bus ride in Winnipeg is the most disheartening and humbling (read: depressing) experience I can get for my money. People who are against greenhouse gas emissions haven’t taken the bus to/from work in Winnipeg on a daily basis. Two days of commuting will cure such people of their environmental consciousness and send them car shopping with a smile. 


In conclusion, I’ll be leaving Winnipeg as soon as my family duties are fulfilled, or as soon as I crack (whichever comes first). At this point, I would welcome either possibility, but I am nervously coming to accept that I could be here for years. 


After I leave, I will only return to Winnipeg as a bag of ashes to be dropped into the ground. The only real estate investment worth making here is a cemetery plot (and I might even try to get a refund on that purchase at some point). 


If you are considering moving to Winnipeg, it should be for a very good salary. Save as much money as you can and then leave at the first opportunity. Having family and friends here will dull the pain but not cure it.

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“You would be very surprised. Everyone who “loves Winnipeg” is just justifying their idiotic decision to remain.


It has gotten so much worse here in the last while. The crime, the ever increasing taxes, the ever-increasing human garbage walking the streets, the moronic attitudes of the people…even the odd gem like Grand Beach is disappearing under a blanket of toxic blue-green algae. 


Retirement is coming soon for me, moving to Ontario with half the provincial & property taxes and 1/10 the crime. And two months of winter instead of six.

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 “Tucker I lived in Montreal 6 years, it’s not dead at all over night. Winnipeg is dead by 6 PM on a Friday. The unemployment rate is slightly less in Winnipeg region. I never been paid less then $11/hr a student a few years back. Many places higher, same job in Winnipeg pay min, and have less hours. Money goes further also in Montreal for poorer people, food is cheaper and transportation is about the same, yet you get around on time on a fully underground metro system. Then there is buses which come every 6 min, and night buses to prevent being fully stuck at nigh like in the Peghole. 


Winnipeg is not even a city, far as i am concerned, it an over sized farm town ! 

I could stop and look up statscan numbers too, in fact i am more qualified to read those numbers then most people. I also know I that though unemployment numbers read higher in Montreal, family income is also higher. On the other hand many natives that live in Winnipeg on government funds or no funds don’t tell the government they stay in Winnipeg 90% of the time, so add about 5000 more people to the overall numbers of poor. Plus, unemployed in Montreal lasts until your high paying job has new contracts, in Winnipeg it means you looking for more low pay jobs.  

I can assure you Montreal is a lot more fun, safer, and has bigger opportunities for people then Winnipeg.

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“Went for a walk today in filthville manitoba. Dunkirk and St Mary’s road and a back lane. Recyclibles everywhere on sidewalks and boulevards thrown fron cars. Broken glass including beer bottles. Vodka bottle. Paper, cig wrappings. Dog shhit on the sidewalk. One huge stool sample that might be from a shindleman. What a disgrace.

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“I made the mistake of marrying a woman in Winnipeg when I was just supposed to be passing through on my from Ontario to Alberta. Was duped into thinking the woman I married would move soon after the wedding. I wasted 23 years of my life in that shit hole. I finally left the Winnipeg Gulag 2005. I don’t have a single nice thing to say about the shit hole. I fCNg hate the place. I say bulldoze the entire city and leave it to the skeeters and lazy ass Indians and the rest of the deadbeats.

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“It’s just horrible Francesca, and now with the quick melt and the rain there is large amounts of dog poop floating in my neighbour’s yard. I feel like I am at risk of typhus or worse, and I’m worried that this will contaminate my garden and flower beds. 

Then there’s people like JTF who contribute to the problem by allowing their dogs to bark and foul public parks and boulevards. Such slobs. 

If the city would charge $2500 for 5 years ($500/year…very reasonable) it would have a source of much needed revenue and the irresponsible dog owners, who sad to say are a large majority, would be much reduced in number. Part of the licence fee would be a requirement to watch a short video on responsible dog ownership and then to pass a written test.

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“This is what I mean. Nobody wants to deal with all this mess from other people’s dogs.

Don’t know what drugs this clown is on. Winnipeg has three non-stop international flights: Minneapolis, Chicago and Denver. Everywhere else requires connections, and it is very expensive to fly from YWG because of lack of competition.

 I wish the city would get going on spring cleanup. Whats the hold up? Its like this every year, as if they act like flood..duh whats a flood? Or litter and D-shit, whats that? Or potholes, what are potholes? Get goin on these things NOW!!!

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“Walking downtown, and around the north is like playing russian roulette, “is that neech gonna come at me or not?”.

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I went through winnipeg .. Great place to take a Crap

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“The reality is with all the litter, it is not a very attractive city. I’m embarrassed to say where I live when I travel. 


100 years ago it was considered Canada’s most beautiful city. Then came the wrecking balls and depressing brutalist architecture.  


And why is it that they have to use so much gravel on the streets? Other cities with similar climates don’t do this. I guess one of the gravel pit owners is someone’s buddy.

One week ’til May long and what a mess this city is.

 The street sweepers do a terrible job of cleaning all the sand and it builds up from year to year.


Why aren’t they out now cleaning up the mess? Why are they waiting?

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“Winnipeg is a dump, I lived in the city for 10 years but luckily moved out West to Alberta. I’m out here for only a week, Thank the lord.


Nothing changes in this city except it’s cost which goes up. Here’s a few things I love about this city:


Pot holes you can drown in


The shittiest roads I’ve ever seen


Mosquitos the size of tennis balls


Brutal winters


Worst drivers hands down


17.50 for a pack of smokes now


Lots of crime


Dirty streets


Boring


Lots of drug addicts and crazy Indians


Pissed of people everywhere


This is the only city I’ve been in where half the people you see walking around are wearing dirty old sweat pants and a dirty shirt, And where the traffic is so congested panhandlers can actually squeegee your front AND back window. Ever try and run into a convenience store to grab something quick? Good luck you’re probably going to get stuck behind several gambling addicts blowing their welfare cheques on scratch tickets.


To the insane people trying to compare Winnipeg to Montreal, Pull your heads out of your asses. There is no comparison whatsoever, And this is coming from a white skinned red blooded conservative who likes to hate on Quebec frequently. Montreal is clean, Has nightlife, Lots of things to do, Is safe, GORGEOUS woman and so much more.


I could go on and on but don’t take my word for it, Come down and experience it for yourself if you haven’t yet. Just take my advice and pack light because once you’re here, You won’t be staying long.

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“Worst city I’ve ever had the misfortune of spending the night in. I’d rather kill my family one by one with my bare hands than make them suffer living in that hell. Do the Jets a favor, let them go back to Atlanta!

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“I agree with all the comments about this city.It’s lacking in so many ways.There are some positives,but I feel the negatives totally outweigh them.I keep myself busy and try n shut out everything in this town that pisses because I’m happy go lucky,but it’s hard.For me the winter n peoples attitudes are a deal breaker. Iv’e been fortunate to live all over Canada due to my work n this city doesn’t pass the grade.I’ll keep my cottage here because it’s peaceful to go to but I plan to retire to the BC valley.Definitely not here! One last thing, everyones entitled to their opinion but when you start to denigrate others just because you don’t agree with what they say…it just helps validate the negativity people feel they experience here.

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“Lived in Winnipeg for 3 years and when I left it was one of the happiest days of my life. I found the people not especially friendly, unaware of life beyond Winnipeg, stuck in a time warp, petty and cheap. Food in the restaurants (not the vile fast food and chains) left a lot to be desired and the coffee always vile. Yes, its a cheap place to live in terms of rents and housing but who wants to come and live in Winnipeg? not exactly a destination or city of dreams.

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“The city’s growth has stagnated, and try as they might, those in positions of authority don’t realize that Wiinipeg will never be big. So, they should take their heads out of the sands and build on the smallness of the city, instead of letting urban sprawl continue to be the spreading cancer that is ruining it.

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“I was at Broadway and Spence last week and could smell pig barns. Today in St Vital I smell Brady road. That’s Manitoba thinking, have gross stinky things close enough to Winnipeg so we can smell it. Its not as bad as cig smoke but its bad or biker B.O., but its bad.

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“Hey don’t worry, you’ve got a $351 million human rights museum now! That was definitely money well spent. I can’t think of a single thing that would have been a better investment. You’ll have that money back, and more, in no time. It’s going to draw people from all over the world, just to see it.


This is what I have noticed in my twelve years in this city:


1) This city has a very poor economy!


2) The infrastructure is laughable! This city is clearly mismanaged!


3)There is a very high crime rates!


4) This is pretty boring! There is very little to do! That’s a fact!


5) This is very cliquish and rude. That ”Friendly Manitoba” is a myth!


6) Downtown is very dumpy! Winnipeg is mainly in a poor and neglected state!


7) There is no LRT! The Winnipeg Transit is so ridiculous!


Hopefully one day this city will improve!


I forgot to mention that this city is full of nepotism!

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“You left out we love garbage strewn on our streets and back lanes. We expect dog shit on our sidewalks left by responsible owners who DON’T bag it then throw the bag in the bush. We only want to drink beer, yell and train dogs to bark.

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“WOW. The funniest thing about winnipegers is that many are delusional about how utterly horrendous this climate is. They think it’s the same everywhere in Canada. It’s not. There is nowhere colder, for more consecutive days, than here. Not by a long shot. But nice try. Maybe if you left shitty Manitoba you would realize this.

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“Well….I’ve noticed that renting an apartment in Winnipeg is EXTREMELY difficult. All these stupid landlords and rental companies want a letter from your employer, pay stubs, at least 2 rental references, you have to have been at your job for more than 6 months, your complete credit history, a deposit required with the application, and it takes 3 days to process your rental application.

…..and the apartments aren’t even nice. They are dumps! Doesn’t appear they want any out-of-towners moving in. This bullcrap sure turned me away! Man Winnipeg sucks!

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“I agree with you 1000%! This city is a sad joke! What a dump!

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I live in Winter-plague, and this place never fails to disappoint me. I WANT to like it here… I really do. Because I’m not some loser, I’m about to graduate University and my husband has 2 Doctoral degrees. We can make it here, easy, and give us 10 years and boy after we know everyone, life becomes gravy.


But FUCK MAN, is it worth it to be stuck rubbing elbows with these self-proclaimed “friendly” hypocrites for the next few decades of my life?? Everyone here is completely shut down to anyone they didn’t grow up with. Making friends here, no matter how many popular Winnipeg names you drop, is impossible. There are no play-dates, no afternoon drinks with the girls, no surfing the scene downtown (yuck by the way), there’s NO LIFE if you didn’t grow up here. You could be a millionaire… there are lonely saps that come out of their lonely homes each spring driving their Ferrari’s the 3 Kilometres from work to home just to get noticed and all anyone does is avoid looking at them at the red lights, and god knows how long they’ve lived here.


You have to be a total shut-in to live here, because summers aren’t long enough to actually DO anything with any property you buy. The attractions here get old… FAST. I’ve only been to the forks 4 times and I’ve almost memorized the entire blue prints and each store. Same goes for Osbourne Village, Polo Park and pretty much every park in town. You park your car, and shut your brain off before you get out to avoid feeling sick from the repetition of doing the same thing over and over again.


Winter…. ugh, winter. And the COPS… NEVER IN MY LIFE have I seen a police officer stop people by walking out into coming traffic on Bishop Grandin and standing there like they want to be road kill! Are you kidding me? That’s how i got my first ticket here, and I just wanted to say “Are you an idiot, or something? Is issuing a speeding ticket really worth risking your life, or putting me in prison?” Just stupid.


Customer Service is shit across the board here, but i’m not sure if that’s all of Canada or just Manitoba.


Downtown is plain old Scary. My mom is visiting in a week and i can’t even take her downtown, because i’m too embarrassed to tell her “hold onto your purse and don’t make eye contact”.


And the Mosquitos… they’re just bad. Really, really bad. Bad enough to make you spend that precious day in the mid 80’s after 7 months of bitter cold inside, exhausted of itching and being assaulted by the buzzing little beasties.


And I don’t drink, so that erases about 85% of the activities Winnipegers apparently do with their spare time.


The Bombers are just terrible. Of course the irony in their name… the bombers that bomb every game.. is not lost on my husband and I.


I could go on and on and on. Don’t move to the peg. It’s horrible.

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“Your infrastructure sucks. Your city planners suck. Your roads are poorly built and 60 years ago they should have built a bipass and evacuated it.

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“Canada is rapidly declining economically, it’s not just Winnipeg. I believe Canada has now slipped to 14th place in the world in terms of living standards from second forty years ago. All one has to do is drive a few hours south to see how this county is really falling behind and the U.S. has struggled too! The prices here are astronomical and with the low wages and very high taxes, especially sales taxes, which really hurt the middle income earners and the poor, living standards are becoming more difficult to maintain, and for the most part have been subsidized only by cheap credit.


Recently a presidential candidate in the U.S. acknowledged that “real” unemployment in that country is 18% to 20%, triple the official rate. This must also be true for Canada. Time to increase immigration and bring in more TFWs! Great policy! Let’s all work for minimum wage (or less, because people are too scared to complain) with no overtime, benefits or holidays! Believe it or not, even the NDP, a supposedly social-democratic party advocates this! 


So people, instead of blaming all your woes on Winnipeg, think again. I agree the winters suck, but they do just about everywhere in Canada! I think they are worse in the East, despite being somewhat milder!

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“Look at what is happening in downtowns across the country: Beautiful condo towers and office buildings are rising in Edmonton, Calgary, Toronto, Montreal, Ottawa, Vancouver. They are vibrant, with people and great restaurants and shopping…downtown Winnipeg still looks the way it did decades ago. Winnipeg is a shithole, and it will be stuck in the 70s forever.

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“I go to Ottawa once a year and there is a lot happening there. Not Calgary level but I see condos (low rise and high rise) being built in a number of areas in and surrounding downtown. Winnipeg is a depressing city. I am an urban dweller, and will move from Winnipeg soon. Lone Wolf, maybe you do not know Winnipeg because all around downtown is run down. Use the boundaries Main, Logan, Sherbrook and Portage and you will see run down houses, industrial wasteland, empty lots, decrepit storefronts. This area needs billions in investment.


So many parts of Winnipeg not only downtown look abandoned. Since downtown is the heart of the city, it is crucial to redevelop it. One stretch that needs investment is Princess from Logan to Notre Dame. So many derelict buildings need cleaning and conversion. With the expansion of the Museum of Man and Nature, what a perfect time to redevelop the McLaren and fill in more lots around the area. Sadly no developer seems to have vision. Winnipeg will always be the butthole of Canada while it is left in the dust by other cities. Sad.

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Social agencies; public money; no private investment; no life on the street other than drunk aboriginals staggering around

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“I’ve been here for 8 years now the people are the meanest on this planet & boy when you get in the roads it like they purposely try and kill you no respect. Why does the licence plate say “Friendly Manitoba” when the people hear don’t even know the meaning of the word. Instead they should replace that slogan with “”Muderous Manitoba” at least that would be the truth

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“Don’t get me started on how useless most of the instructors and directors are at Red River college. DON’T waste your money. If there is one thing I’ve learnt, it’s not what you know it’s who you know with that college.


Take your money to another province and stay there, Winnipeg sucks

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“This city is full of garbage. Go under the MidTown bridge and see the amount of crap down there. But be careful not to wake the person living under there.

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“Manitoba and Winnipeg are backward and unfriendly. Thank you but no thank you.

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“I did time there for a few years, and yes, that is how it felt. People are unfriendly, narrow, mean, and openly racist. Worst six years of my life. They are not used to ‘outsiders’ and why would they be? Who in their right mind would willingly move there?

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“I like your comment and I agree with you 10000%! The place is just a real nightmare! I’m so surprised how unfriendly and narrow mind this place is!

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“Winnipeg is a horrible city to live in.Our transit system is ridiculous.I can’t count how many times I’ve been waiting for a bus,only to have one cruise right on by because it’s completely packed full.Rapid transit,my ass.


I can count on one hand how often I’ve had a bus arrive on time,no joke!.And the people are stuck up and selfish.I can’t wait until I’m in a position to move!.

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“This will be a great day when the Winnipeggers will stop to be unrealistic about their city! Winnipeg is not great! It’s a miserable and backward place!

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“Still a boring and dangerous dumpy place !

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“Say whatever you want, kiddo ! It doesn’t change the fact that Winnipeg is a dumpy, backward and miserable has been city ! A real nightmare !

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“I put my time in Winnipeg for 8 long years . The infrastructure in Winnipeg is 30 years behind. Traffic lights still work off of timers, there are no timed lights. Railroad tracks run throughout the center of the city with no underpasses . It’s impossible to get anywhere quickly. The so call savior called the Perimeter runs so far away from the core of the city that it’s only use is for people trying to avoid the city altogether. The boulevards are unkempt and ugly and the roads are either in disrepair or are always being repaired for literally months. The weather is what it is and there is nothing that will change that. What can be changed never changes. It’s a shame because I heard that at one time years back Winnipeg was supposed to be one of the most forward and modern thinking cities. It’s now considered the biggest hick town in Canada. Whatever politicians that have been in power have made a mess out of a city full of good well intentioned people and potential. I would assume they don’t even reside there anymore themselves after making such a mess of things. I’ll never move back. I’ve been to too many other places and I have the insight to compare. I don’t mean to be negative. I just find it sad that such a forward city is now so backwards and unattractive.

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“So how do these crooks that pillaged a potentially good place get away with This? Is Manitoba amnesty island for politicians? There is a difference between being friendly Manitoba and push overs I hope. Katz was a crook. He declared real estate as his primary residence down south even as he was a Mayor in Winnipeg. So what’s up with that? Higher Taxes to pay for his lawyers?

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(Source: http://www.topix.com/forum/ca/winnipeg-mb/TEV9GQE2NRKHITTCS)

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“There are many places way worse than Winnipeg. There are better places than Winnipeg.”

you forgot to add the “many” in “better places”. there are MANY better places than winnipeg. i find it hilarious that you have to compare winnipeg to a god damn third world country in terms of living. a first grader would obviously know whats a better place to live, try comparing winnipeg to other cities in canada, where its one of the worst cities to live in.

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“One word MURDER CAPITAL. Fact. Oscar_the_grouch’s advice is…use common sense and avoid winnipeg, take the perimiter when travelling past the city. oh yah.

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“Please…. Winnipeg is the shithole of Canada and everyone knows this.

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“winnipeg is a small shithole city,the north end is all about murder,winter’s are long and cold -40ish to -50ish…I can go on and on..lol

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“i lived in winnipeg till i got a job in calgary and moved about a year and a half ago, the last year has been pretty much the best year of my life. I feel sad for the people who are to stupid to leave winnipeg. Please leave there, you will thank yourself for leaving every day like i do.

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“I F ing hate this city, will move as soon as possible. Can’t because I own a business. Its boring and has the most depressing negative vibe. I was just in Mexico (a third world country) and felt safer, the infrastructure was in better shape, and people friendlier. All trip over a drunk bum daily and just want to kick them in the face. The NDP government is a joke, wants a construction labourer to get paid $21/hr. Double what a broom pusher gets paid in other cities. Terrible drivers, rude people with no drive. I could go on and on. If you can leave run, don’t look back. Most people born here just don’t realize how much better any other city in Canada is. RUN, GO, RUN.

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“Winnipeg is a hell hole. Those that like it should be working oon the next propaganada ” Why we love Winnipeg” program. I have never met so many a-holes in my life like here and the drivers are idiots.

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“winnipeg is like a disease, it sucks but you just cant seem to shake it. “the devil you know” is an apt phrase.

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“Winnipeg sucks cause behind calgary it is the most RACIEST province in canada. If your of colour or native, your in trouble. The justice system favers the white and punishes that nonwhite. I guess its easier to faver those who look like you and vilify those who dont. I am a person of colour and I grew up in winnipeg. My friends told me it was like this but stupid me said No! No!. Over the past few years I now see the truth about this hole. Winnipeg and calgary are canadas version of the U.S south. The only difference is in the south tey tell you to your face and here it’s hidden.

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“Bottom line, winnipeg is a shithole and should be wiped clean from the ass of the planet, manitoba

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“Winnipeg is the intestines of Canada.

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“Anyone that likes Winnipeg needs to get a mental assessment. Seriously this place is a big time toilet. I have never met so many a-holes, bad drivers and walking zombies in my life. Any time I leave the city I am reminded what normal people are like. Idiots still chant ” Go Jets GO” how pathetic and the roads. Stop with the propaganda as well like ” Spirited Energy” what kind of BS is that. Why in the world do I need to be told why I need to like a place. Oh yeah Manitoba Home coming major event ” Biggest Social” This place is a bad joke as soon as I can I am outta here and won’t miss the a-holes and anything about this hell hole.

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“Well here is the interesting point you brought up. They made the public believe that because of the cold the roads are bad here yet you go to Grand Forks and the roads are excellent. So much for the typical Winnipeg brainwash BS, The roads are bad because you have people in power who don’t care they just want there pay checks. I worked in the city and know this to be true. This city is a toilet. Oh yeah come here in the Winter so many lazy a-holes don’t shovel there side walks. One Great city my ass. This place is a bad joke.

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“Winnipeg is a shithole. It is a city filled with low wage ignorant, scared low-mid level bureaucrat types. As well as a healthy dose of non-english speaking immigrants to clean their houses and wash laundry. There are no new buildings in Winnipeg everything is old and falling apart. Anyone with a brain gets the hell out and never goes back. All thats left is losers to stupid or too scared to leave.

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“Hahahahaha… So the ’50 year’ rainstorm has forced boil water advisories across Winnipeg. How fitting as Winnipeg is Canadas very own Third World city.. So as the “100 year flood” seems to be happening every 10 years or so now.. I guess we can expect a “50 year rainstorm” every couple of weeks then? LMAO… 

Now that the arctic winter is over.. The big pile of dust and muck and slop that is spring is well underway in Canadas Third World Metropolis. They can now look forward to a malaria epidemic this summer with all the still water from the rains breeding deadly mosquito hordes……lololol…  

Oh wait.. they can battle that by pumping millions of gallons of cancer causing insecticide into the lungs of all the citizens and especially the children to prevent it.. maybe.. But at the least It adds to the toxic cocktail leftover in the water table from the floods.. mmm mmmmm good! 


And people wonder why its so cheap to live in Canadas very own Third World Metropolis.

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“Winnipeg lacks class and culture it tries to pretend it is a real city but it is a toilet. World Cup is on and most cities have cultural events here the big story is the all you can eat Buffet.

Spend some time in any other major city in Canada and you will come to learn how classless and how many redneck morons live in Winnipeg.

I am amazed how many walking zombies live here. I have never met so many dumb ignorant people as here the only people that I have met who have any ability to hold a conversation are not from Winnipeg originally. 


Look at the foreigners wives eyes they are sad because they despise this place and wish to go back to a normal place.

Winnipeg sucks with or without a NHL team. Can’t wait to get out of this toilet.

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 “Winnipeg is the worst city in Canada! and yes, before you tell me to leave…that is what I am going to do. Winnipeg has nothing to offer. it is rude, negative and very unfriendly.

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“The number one past time in Winterpig Murdertoba is petty gossip. No one with half a brain stays there unless they were born there. I’ve been stuck in this hole so long…thank God I can afford to move VERY SOON HALLA F’n LUJAH!!!!!!!!!! Get me the f outta here!!!!!! Even traveling kids and sq bums say people are rude and snoopy …and there’s too much crime and the locals rip off like mad

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“Yup This play is creepy as well. I have never met so many weirdos in my life as I have here. Most people look and walk like zombies. There are good people but oddly enough they were not born here. I agree firecracker I have never met so many rude and snoopy people in my life as here. Plus the energy here is messed up I know people who moved here and there wives started to lose there minds and in order to save the marriages they had to move right away because they knew this place is bizarre. It also seems like when people come travel here they get robbed how many times have you read int he paper that someone from X was visiting and got robbed and these are the ones they are willing to type about. I wonder what kind of propaganda BS “I love Winnipeg” campaign they will come up with next. The politicians here are greasy and dirty. Look at the mayor he is a bad joke.

***

“Winnipeg is evil. The vibe here is bizarre and twisted. I have never met so many people who are alcaholics, needing any reason to drink or so many people on anti-depressents. 

I know of people who moved here from other cities and within a couple of years the wife starts to go bananas.

She knows this is place is messed up that is why so many get drunk here whenever they can it is the only way they can stand this place. It is a toilet.

***

 “Yeah great mayor who is running for relection lol


Wow…busy weekend for the Peg….

* Man shot on Main Street in Winnipeg
* Human head found in water at The Forks
* Shots fired near downtown Winnipeg
* 3 men stabbed in Winnipeg

 Winnipeg is the detroit of Canada. They have a moron of a mayor who just looks after his buddies while the toilet keeps getting bigger.

Oh yeah gotta love the mosquitos.
One Great city all right. lol
Can’t wait to get out of this ring of hell you have to be crazy to think this is “One Great city”.
Or your drunk like most Peggers like to get.

***

“Murder capital, car theft capital, poverty capital, etc. Yes – Winnipeg is the assh*le of Canada and to all those Peggers who’s comebacks are “if you don’t like it then leave”, maybe you should try leaving the suburbs and see what’s really going down. The crime is spreading and soon enough it will be at your front door, then maybe you will shut the f*ck up and admit the problems are real! Your chances of being knifed are pretty damb high, or worse yet having your loved one killed by a stolen speeding car! You can’t go downtown, to the north end the Detroit of Canada, the west end with it’s shotgun wielding thugs, trashcona the druggy neighborhood, and the list keeps growing. The city is filthy and there are tons of racists of every ethnicity here. Hick city!

***

“Winnipeg is Canada’s Bogan (google it) Capital. Bogan sums it all up and says it all about this city!

***

“Yup Winnipeg Sucks the life out of most people that is why so many people eat and drink so much it is to hide the feelings of emptiness. So many morons live here amazing.

***

“I’m shocked! Winnipeg has ‘everything’ going for it; the list is too long to post but I’ll start with:


(1) Robins at the corner of Selkirk and Salter; great place to enjoy a coffee and watch degenerates roaming the street and hitting up on teen prostitutes.


(2) the cross walk immediately south of Thunderbird House on Main Street; great place to watch bulbous-nosed degenerates roaming the streets, bumping off walls, looking to hit up someone / anyone for some change….


(3) the ‘hood’ bounded by King, Dufferin, Flora and Robinson; great place to get murdered, beaten, robbed, propositioned, yelled at, shot at, etc. City Bread at King and Dufferin makes the best honey Bran, rye and pumpernickle bread on the entire planet. Don’t be in that area after dark.


(4) need to score some [insert most favourite drug]; go to Portage Place or the streets surrounding it. There you will find a good mix of drug dealers, degenerates, beggars, and those morons who wear a 2-sizes-too-small baseball cap sideways on their head (what is the purpose of that – they look so f’in stupid words escape the feeling that rages through me when I see one of those morons…..


(5) someone please continue, I’m going to lose it thinking about the morons who wear a 2-sizes-too-small baseball cap sideways on their head. I need to step outside and scream…….

***

“I recently visited Winnipeg and left with one really troubling question, what do you citizens do for leisure?


I mean you have virtually no natural beauty. The lakes in Whiteshell are beautiful, but again, what about Winnipeg?

***

“All the aforementioned cities have violence, true, but you still have to wake up in Winnipeg.

It’s an absolutely terrible city and I really feel sorry for the people who live there. What an absolute waste of a life.

***

“If I was retarded…and raised on a farm.. Winnipeg would still be a hole

***

“Eh Rita, shut the f*ck up! No one cares about your annual income or your “hard” life, we all have a load to carry! Not everyone has a job like yours so what’s your point? That somehow with a high income we can move to the suburbs and ignore the crime spilling out of the North and West end? Go take a walk in other neighborhoods on your next coffee break, preferably Selkirk & Redwood – if you don’t get your “high-end” ass kicked then maybe you’ve got a point. Until then just keep hiding in your false sense of security. And my points were valid – crime capital, poverty capital, car theft capital – ALL FACTS! Your comebacks are weak, are you an Asper by any chance? Living in a f*cken bubble are we?

***

“There isn’t really a “high end” in Winnipeg. It’s a low-income city in a have-not province chock-full of social problems.

***

“Kevin, there are those of us “living” here who are trying to escape. A few good restaurants, a pathetic zoo with one animal, and some good music do not cancel out the auto theft and the crappy weather that makes Winnipeg into the laughingstock of North America. The winter makes people bitter, reclusive and nasty. During the tiny window between the winter and the onslaught of cankerworms and mosquitoes as big as my elbow, people are actually pleasant. Then the poison-spraying starts.

There’s a reason that the refrain in that famous song is “I HATE WINNIPEG.” Not “I LOVE PARIS IN THE SPRINGTIME.” Not “I LEFT MY HEART IN SAN FRANCISCO.” Lolol.

***

 “Prison life would be easier than Winnipeg life..

***

“Not it isn’t Canada at all. I lived in Toronto, my friend from Winnipeg suggested to come and live here, just to try it out, because it is “cheap”. I had no choice due to financial situation I have been living in Peg for 5 years now. Guess what, I am leaving in 4 months. No way will I ever go back to this disgusting, stupid, backwards shithole city. This city is thriving on nepotism where if you know someone, you get the job, regardless of your skills or experience. Winnipeg is one big Mennonite family with rich pockets. It is a closed circle of society here, someone wrote about socials, it’s a big thing here. God knows why you want to wonder to someone else’s socials all the time. Also, it’s not even as cheap here anymore. It’s almost getting close to Toronto. My brother leaves in downtown Toronto and he pays 1200 in rent. Compare it to a 1100 bucks 1 bedroom in downtown Winnipeg, a nice apartment though. I came here 5 years ago, 2 bedroom was 600 bucks in a great area, now it is 1000!!!! What? For this price, I’d go back to Toronto, and don’t tell me it’s cheap here because it ain’t!


The only thing that is cheaper here is probably university, and even that is rising exponentially. The only thing winnipegers seem to brag about is that there is a lot of restaurants here. And ????? Guess what assholes, there are restaurants all over the world. Many of them. Why Winnipeg is so special? It isn’t! I am glad I will be leaving this stupid inbred city, the only thing good about this city was the fact that it taught me how to avoid potholes and crackheads. If you don’t know what I am talking about, try catching a bus after 5-6 pm in downtown. shitholepeg.

***

“I work for manitoba tourism so don’t worry I will tell you the truth about how great this city and province are. Don’t worry no crime, poverty, corrupt officials, pot hole ridden streets, sewers that are rotting, 6 months of cold winters, filth all through the streets, mosquitos or a downtown that is cull of addicts but hey I will continue to tell you the truth on how great Manitoba is.

***

“I enjoyed reading your white trash comment, made me laugh. Butr in all seriousess. Winnipeg i and always will be a hole… the wprst place I have ever been by far and I have been travelling around the worls fro the past 10 years.. If someone held a gun to my head and said I either had to stay in Winnipeg or die.. I wouldn’t be staying in Winnipeg.. Fuck me anyone that has to live there deserfves a medal.. Go to Austrllia and you will soon realize what a sad boring and pahetic life living in Winnipeg really is. Shame really coz there’s great people living there.

***

“I was born and raised in this fair city,,,,I left it for 18 years and came back thinking it had changed,,,,oooooo was I ever wrong! The city itself can’t control the weather, the geography, or the humans who inhabit it, those are part of every city’s nature, neither good nor bad. What’s wrong with Winnipeg is the people who inhabit this location on the globe. Hatred and ill will is a common theme, and pleasure seems to only be derived from the diminishment of other human beings, cities, cultures and structures anywhere on earth, including this city’s. I got back here 20 months ago with great dreams of properly using investor’s $ to build and prosper a business, but within 30 days of arrival I’d learned how blind I’d been to the reality of life here, not one person has answered my question of why a human being should consider Winnipeg as a city of potential happy human life on earth, not one!….now I’m near bankrupt because I refuse to invest $1 of another person’s money in this city!!! I am very convinced that the second holocaust will begin here and the best investment would be in a Zyclon-C factory. If one isn’t white, related to a Winnipegger, blue-collar, and heterosexual,,,,you are a target for the aryan hatred that this city thrives on. Left wing and right wing politics work the same here,,,hatred thrives on hatred.


If plans work out, I should be out of here by December,,,,should it appear I would have to remain in Winnipeg for the next 20 years, I’d certainly think of suicide as a viable alternative. 


Again,,,I’ve only been asking Winnipeggers themselves about the city,,,,if you don’t live here or have never lived here, your comments are based on ignorance.

***

“I’m afraid I have to disagree with you, Rita. I moved away more than a year ago and I have yet to say to myself I don’t like where I live. While the transition has been uphill at times, I don’t find myself walking down the street constantly reaffirming how much I hate the city I live in like I used to in Winnipeg. I knew once I left that place, that yes, I would be happier and I am. Why? Because I’m not constantly encountering lugans and animals, there is a great sense of community and pride where I live, it’s safe to walk down the streets after dark, there are parks with functioning water fountains, REAL bicycle lanes, REAL rapid transit in the form of a modern subway system that I won’t have to wait 20+ years to use, affordable food and housing, beautiful women, great architecture, fewer pickup trucks, people with class and manners, warmer winter temps, and the list goes on. Winnipeg is the opposite of all those things, so yes, moving somewhere else CAN make one happier.

***

“Winnipeg sucks is the truth, but what does it mean to suck in Winnipeg. 

To suck here means: 

1) Monopolizing half the businesses between 5 different local crap to work for companies, so if you don’t like one place, working at another means still working for the same jackass… that sucks ! 


2) Prairie farmer architecture with a mix of extreme right wing fascist designs, definitely sucks and is most of Winnipeg. Ex the kid playground at the Forks is a perfect example of police state prairie farmer architecture, in a small space which is a bunch of tepees and crap there are 28 omni cams of big brothers, teaching your children that being watch ever step is normal. THAT SUCKS !!! 


3) The weather -40 c to +40 c and then there is the flooding rains, no spring, no fall, just damn clod to damn hot. That sucks ! 


4) Winnipeggers are so uneducated that they think higher learning was a movie only ! Trying to have an intelligent conversation is out… That sucks !!! 


5) Inbreeding… That sucks !!!  


6) Cheap people looking for a deal, what is this a Vietnam market… try to get paid what you are worth and boss becomes a haggling old Chinese women looking for the best price on rice. That sucks !!! 


7) Streets are falling apart, that sucks ! 


8) Rapid Transit is a monkey peddling a bus down the street, not rapid, that sucks !!! 

9) Nah-dere boy… anywayz !!! That sucks !!!! 

10) Entertainment is going up garbage hill drinking a beer and rolling down, weeeee… that sucks !!!! All-in-all Winnipeg sucks !

***

 “City of inbreds

***

 “Winnipeg is a dump get over it!

***

“If Vancouver is the head and Halifax is the toe then that

makes Winnipeg the ass ho.
Rampant gang violence is the norm.
Home of the barricade creep.
City of tiny ass hoes

***

“Vancouver isn’t the head of anything, more like a festering tumour. It’s a foreign city on Canadian soil. Most people are poor and young people have standards of living equivalent to those in Mexico and face a grim future of struggling to find a roommate to share a 1 bedroom apartment.

***

“The Peg is an armpit

***

“Winnipeg is what happens when cousins marry and have kids.

***

“Lived here all my life. Yes indeed winnipeg should be called SHITHOLEPEG!

***

“Take a good look ! This city is a dump ! What a joke !

***

“Yes Winnipeg sucks! Winnipeg is a dump! Open your eyes!

***

(Source: http://www.topix.com/forum/ca/winnipeg-mb/TSQAJTTGLVEHEMC6D)

***

“I have lived all over canada and I have been here 6 months and I have never seen a bigger shithole than Winnipeg in my entire life. The only good thing about winnipeg is that it is cheap.

The winters are brutal, the summers are hot, muggy and invested with mosquitos. Most people who visit this city for the first time remark how ugly,dirty, and run down it is.

The vast majority of people who love it here grew up here and do not know any better. Simply put this city is a cess pool of shit, piss, and vomit. New people have fun- Ha Ha Ha

***

“Winnipeg has some very notable qualities: Rudness, snoopiness, and boorishness. Cheers Winterpeg!

***

“If you weren’t born here or haven’t gone to kindergarten with the other bullies and morons you won’t fit in here. No wonder there are so many gangs! They have a gang mentality. You can’t be individual here, you can in Calgary though. Racism is rampant, on the other hand, political correctness is rampant too! What a s*** hole!!!

***

“I’m 17 years old and I have grown up in this shit hole called Winnipeg. I still live there though and I hate every goddamn minute of it!


The only people who like it here are people over 50, farmers or people with no lives who actually like doing the same thing every day! living here is like being stuck in the movie Ground hog day when the guy repeats the same day over and over again. Teenagers, young single people and couples will not like it here at all! there is nothing to do and it sucks.

Now I know Rachel or some other ass hole is going to post something like “You shouldn’t say that” but try living here for more then oh say, 6 months to a year then we will see what you think! do say a thing until you know what it’s like to live here!

***

 “It is the sh*t hole of Canada. The only ones who don’t agree are redneck, slob, ignorant, rude, farting, belching, sneaky, mean, trecherous people who were born here and probably will stay in this hole all their miserable lives.

***

“Speaking of people paid by taxpayers money — yes, this is a wicked city. What surprises me is that it took so long for Winnipeg’s finest to finally off some poor bugger with a tazer — finally happened yesterday. Cops are creeps in Winterpeg, beating poor youth, scruffy people, and ignoring real dirt bags — drug dealers. What heros. I wonder if cops get free coffee from merchants in Osborne village for their cowardly and brutal action!

***

“Why are the people in Winnipeg so ignorant and rude? It seems like the pastime here is staring and gawking at others. It reminds me of that movie,’Night of the Living Dead’..creepy man! When people are so unfriendly they don’t talk to strangers but yet stare and gawk..especially I notice they stare at immigrants and mentally challenged persons or anyone even a little different. I feel sorry for people who have to face that crap from these morons in Winterpig. How unclutured and offensive, yet know one thinks anything of it… They should all take a Dale Carnegie course to learn to act like human beings with respect and manners. Did you notice the spit all over the bus shelter windows? I just hope the *ssholes here don’t move to my hometown of Calgary! Thank God I am only here temporarily!

***

“i’m not joking winnipeg is like that, they call it ‘people watching’ I call it “if I had a gun, we’d have a little run and fun. I knew i wasn’t imagining that bull shit, we should be cow-town on account of all the stinking bull shit see

***

“I ended up in winnipeg for university, and winnipegers made me hate their town. If you are not a boy from the neighborghood, good luck! The last time any winnpeger has probably made a new friend (and I mean FRIEND) has been perhaps high school. Outsiders who were not born and bred in winnipeg will never make their way into a circle of winnipegers. I work with a bunch of supposedly professioanl winnipegers: they have zero social skills in attracting an outsider and making them feel at home (in thier new home in winnipeg). If you are more successful than a winnipeger in a similar job, they will hate you for that. And they have no shame in showing thier jelousy. Yet, they think we non-Manitobans are too dull to get it! I tried so hard for 2-3 years to make myself fit in amongst my winnipeger coworkers, and alas any luck. I have therefore given up on them. I am counting down the days of my calender, looking forward to the day that I will be leaving winnipeg for ever. And to cherrish themselves, they claim people like me leave winnipeg because of their cold weather. I leave winnipeg because of its cold, self-centered, jelous people. I will never return and will never look behind. The “friendly Manitoba” on their licence plates is a joke!!. Or maybe they mean they are freindly to their manitoban palls!


In my profession I have worked with many people across the country: my winnipeger colleagues are amongst the least knowledgeable ones, and yet they have not insight to it. They think they are the best in the country. Therefore, never even try to improve their pathetic status. For the same reason,, they hate successful non-Manitobans who may stirr some competition in their GREAT HOME TOWN. Maybe they have poor social manners deliberately to repel their better colleagues. 


You want to learn about winnipegers, just observe thier driving attitude: very rude and inconsiderate of anybody else on the road. If you need to change a lane, you need to wait until cows come back home, because no other driver will ever have the courtesy. I can no longer count how many winnipegr drivers have waved at me their middle finger when I was driving cautiosly on their icy winter roads to avoid any accident. This has never happened to me in any other town in Canada for a driver to show me his/her middle finger!(so much for thier culture).

***

(Source: http://www.topix.com/forum/ca/winnipeg-mb/T0IMADEI7CPP6LHQI)

See: Winnipeg Rants (part two)

Canada’s treatment of Aboriginal Women

The following quotes and information are taken from the 2014 report: Sexual Exploitation and Trafficking of Aboriginal Women and Girls: Literature Review and Key Informant Interviews

This is an attempt to narrow down the report to the most pertinent information.


Background

“According to the 2006 Canadian Census, Aboriginal peoples (North American Indian -First Nations, Métis, and Inuit) made up 3.8% of the total population, with just over half (51.2%) of the Aboriginal population being female. This is nearly 4% of the total female population in Canada.

Although they are only a small percentage of the population, Aboriginal women and girls are severely over represented in sexual exploitation and trafficking in comparison to the general Canadian population (Seshia, 2005; Sethi, 2007; Saewyc et al, 2008; Sikka, 2009; Farley, Lynne, & Cotton, 2005; Ursel et al, 2007; Barrett, 2010)”  (pg 8)

“As part of her literature review on Aboriginal adolescent girls in the United States of America (USA), Pierce’s 2012 research paper explored recent Canadian research. Also grouping prostitution and human trafficking for sexual exploitation together, her review of Canadian literature identifies “Vancouver, British Columbia; Ottawa, Ontario; and Winnipeg, Manitoba as major centers for the sexual trafficking of Aboriginal women and children (p. 39)”

“Winnipeg: Assembly of Manitoba Chiefs (2010) released a document citing a Government of Canada website (www.stopsexwithkids.ca) identifying that of the approximately 400 children and youth exploited in Winnipeg every year, a high of 70-80 percent were of Aboriginal descent (and 72% of the 400 had been processed through Child and Family Services).”

“A 2010 extensive literature review by Barrett identified and explored promising practices for the prevention of human trafficking in Canada for the Status of Women Canada. Barrett stated that “studies on human trafficking in Canada conclude[d] that the majority of people trafficked within Canada are Aboriginal women and children victims of sex trafficking” (p. iii)” (pg 9)


History of Abuse

“Below are some of the highlights of the experiences of the experiential Aboriginal women in the report:

79% had been abused as children (on average by 4 perpetrators).

Over two thirds of the women had family who had attended boarding schools.

92% had been raped.

84% had been physically assaulted.

72% experienced traumatic brain injuries in prostitution.

98% were either currently or previously homeless.

52% at the time of the interview had PTSD; 71% had symptoms of dissociation.

80% had used outpatient substance abuse services; 77% had used homeless shelters; 65% had used domestic violence services; and 33% had used sexual assault services.

92% wanted to escape prostitution.
(Farley et al, 2011, p. 3)

Additionally, from the pool of participants, thirty-nine percent identified as prostituting as minors (below the age of eighteen) – which means they were trafficked.”

Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder


“In a 2005 paper examining prostituted and trafficked women, out of the one hundred participants, including both First Nations and non-First Nations, 72% qualified for PTSD, which is “among the highest reported in populations where PTSD has been studied, including battered women, combat veterans, childhood trauma survivors, rape survivors, and torture survivors” (Farley, Lynne, & Cotton, 2005, p. 255) . Those who are prostituted and sexually trafficked often experience extreme and intentional violence, abuse and torture. It is no surprise that these women and girls fulfill the criteria for PTSD. Such evidence suggests the difficulty of trying to move on from sexual exploitation, trafficking, and prostitution.”

Root Causes

“The over-representation of Aboriginal women and girls in sexual exploitation and trafficking in Canada has been explored on repeated occasion through a span of years. However, the identified root causes never seem to change. These are the impact of colonialism on Aboriginal societies, the legacies of the residential schools and their inter-generational effects, family violence, childhood abuse, poverty, homelessness, lack of basic survival necessities, race and gender-based discrimination, lack of education, migration, and substance addictions.

In some Aboriginal communities, these root causes coupled with rural/remote living conditions creates a complex environment that contributes to an increased risk among Aboriginal women and girls in being sexually exploited and trafficked. Also, some of the cultural aspects of rural environments make it difficult for Aboriginal communities and individuals to address this issue, prevent it and/or heal from it. Factors such as isolation, poverty, lack of support networks, lack of education and cultural activities further enhance the vulnerabilities of Aboriginal women and girls when they migrate to cities (Kingsley & Mark, 2001; Barrett, 2010; Urban Native Youth Association, 2001; Seshia, 2005; Farley & Lynne, 2005).” (pg 11)


As noted in the report, most of the issues are also common to non-Aboriginal women in prostitution and trafficking: sexual abuse, traumatic childhoods, poverty, low education levels, substance abuse, addictions, lack of resources. 

Introduction into both has common themes, including: pimps (originally acting as caretakers, ‘job providers’ or other concerned benevolent characters), boyfriends (feigning love and comfort at the beginning stages); drug suppliers (creating addictions in order to control the women physically and financially); and criminals holding them against their will through coercion and threats of harm.

Generally cakers will argue that Aboriginal women were abused by “their own” and so it’s not their [cakers] “fault” or responsibility; as such, they shift the burden back onto the women. While inter-familial violence is a big issue inside Aboriginal communities, these women are abused just as much (if not more) by white Canadians. 

This happens through the johns [customers] who are predominately white, and sexual abuse in foster care; a very slim minority of foster carers are Aboriginal.


Correlation to Foster Care

“While the research does not say that Aboriginal children who go into child welfare services and foster care will be sexually exploited, there is significant co-relational data to link heightened vulnerability to being sexually exploited and trafficked with being involved in child welfare services. TERF performs an intake evaluation on their participants and their findings are that:

74% of TERF youth are involved with Child and Family Services.
With an average of 5 placements in their short lives.

68% of TERF adults were clients of Child and Family Services as youth.
With an average of 6.5 placements during their youth.

 (Ursel et al, 2007, p. iii)

Saewyc et al’s 2008 study, compiling data from five different youth health surveys, and including 1,845 youth across British Columbia, (and of which Aboriginal youth were found to make up one third to one-half of the sexually exploited participants across the surveys) found that many participants had had experience with child welfare services.

For some, foster care or a group home was their first site of sexual exploitation: 14% in 2000, 10% in 2001, and 12% in 2006 (p. 23). The researchers further explored the relation of youth in care and found that “sexually exploited youth were significantly more likely to have been in care than their non-exploited peers” (p. 40). The researchers specified further:

Among younger street-involved youth in 2006, 44% of sexually exploited youth had been in care, compared to 33% of non-exploited youth. Similarly, among older street-involved youth in 2001, 66% of exploited youth had been in care, compared to 41% of non-exploited youth. Youth in custody in 2000 had even higher rates: 75% of sexually exploited youth had been in care, while 59% of non-exploited youth had been in care. (Saewyc et al. 2008, p. 40) (p33)”

The reality for many Aboriginal women and girls in Canada are that they are victims and survivors of domestic sex trafficking. Aboriginal women and girls are being targeted for sexual exploitation and relocated from their communities, homes, foster homes, to and within urban centres in Canada. In general, the high rates of migration from a reserve (rural area) to an urban centre also poses an increased risk and entry point through which vulnerable Aboriginal women and girls may be exploited. The promises by sex traffickers to provide shelter and employment in off – reserve communities can lead young Aboriginal girls to feel that they can escape poverty or a potential problem situation at home. They willingly leave their home and community only to discover that the promise was too good to be true and they are forced into sex slavery. They are manipulated and lured by sex traffickers. Many Aboriginal girls go missing from communities or in urban centres and they are viewed as runaways, or simply fall off the radar. The misinterpretations of misconceptions on the definition regarding cross-border movement and coercion leaves many trafficked Aboriginal women and girls unprotected and neglected. (p 35)”


I looked up information regarding Aboriginal children in foster care. They overwhelmingly represent the bulk of foster children:

“… aboriginal children made up seven per cent of the country’s child population, but accounted for 48 per cent of foster children.”

Of course, cakers didn’t begin to take census information on foster children until 2011! Subsequently, it’s difficult to ascertain certain things because they – you guessed it – don’t have the data! 

From the data in this report alone, sexual abuse of foster children can be assumed to fluctuate between 10-15%. Keep in mind this is only self-reported data from women who went on to become prostitutes or trafficking victims (the small group surveyed here); not counting the unreported incidents and women who survived childhood relatively unscathed. The number could reasonably be assumed at approximately 1 in 5 aboriginal children being abused in care.

Curious, I looked up statistics and lo and behold:

A recent report found shocking levels of sexual abuse in British Columbia. And:”More than 60 per cent of the victims were Indigenous girls, the report found, even though Indigenous youth only make up a quarter of the youth in foster care in B.C.”

Indigenous girls are up to 4x more likely to be sexually abused. I would like to give more information but you know the old favorite caker standby: we don’t have the data!


National Resources

RCMP’s Human Trafficking National Coordination Centre:

“In fulfilling these priorities they have launched a campaign, “I am not for Sale” with educational tools aimed at Canada’s youth. They have also released a report, Human Trafficking in Canada. Regrettably, both of these initiatives are lacking a specific mention of Aboriginal peoples. The report goes so far as to include specific chapters linking Eastern European, Asian, and African women to human trafficking in Canada, and yet there is no specific mention of Aboriginal women and girls. Instead of putting forth the needed awareness and identification of the importance of Aboriginal women and girls’ sexual exploitation and trafficking in Canada, we are instead left with a stereotyped view of human trafficking that largely passes over the domestic nature of this crime in Canada.” (p 37)

(It would make sense to aim your awareness-campaign towards the most trafficked group, would it not? But this is the RCMP!)

“Further challenging the RCMP’s task to address human trafficking is a lack of funding when it comes to Aboriginal women and girls. In a Committee report of the Parliament of Canada, it is reported that Sergeant Lori Lowe had advised the Committee, “that the RCMP’s National Aboriginal Policing Service had an interest in examining the trafficking of Aboriginal women for the purpose of sexual exploitation, but that the RCMP lacked funding and human resources to be able to carry out such research” (Standing Committee on the Status of Women, 2007, p. 10). Considering the prevalence of Aboriginal women and girls as victims of sexual exploitation, this is a funding and resource deficiency that should be sufficiently addressed so that the RCMP is properly informed on the issue.”

Of course cakers don’t have the funding! And without the funding they can’t carry out research, which of course means solid information and provable statistics; they can fall back on their favorite excuse: lack of data! Why even have a unit if you can’t fund resources for the number one victim group?


BC’s Office to Combat Trafficking in Persons

“In line with some of the suggestions put forth earlier in this paper, the OCTIP engages in significant public education endeavours on human trafficking. Networking and collaborating with Aboriginal communities is to be applauded, and their approach of education about human trafficking directly answers to calls in the literature for such practices. However, while they recognize the priority of human trafficking for Aboriginal women and youth, currently the organization is without a strategic plan on how to address the issue. It is also unclear how, from their report, they plan to leverage the relationship-building with Aboriginal communities to combat Aboriginal sexual exploitation in a systematic way.”


National Action Plan to Combat Human Trafficking

“The Canadian government released their National Action Plan to Combat Human Trafficking (NAPCH) by Public Safety in 2012 … 

In a testament to how prevalent domestic trafficking is, the report identified that, of the cases waiting to be processed, ninety percent were regarded as domestic human trafficking (National Action Plan, p. 8). The report identifies the disparities in the current protection system, confessing a knowledge gap in how human trafficking in Aboriginal communities manifests and takes shape (National Action Plan, p. 12). In their 2012 strategy, the only suggestion to address gaps in this area is that there needs to be enhanced engagement with Aboriginal organizations. More recently, Public Safety Canada tendered a call for proposals titled, Research: Trafficking of Aboriginal Women and Girls: Trends and Issues. At the time of this writing, this research is currently being carried out.” (p 39)


Child Sexual Exploitation and Human Trafficking Act, 2012

“In addition to this, the Act also provides the victim with recourse to sue their perpetrator in Tort Law over the harm caused by their actions. While a valid effort, an analysis of Aboriginal contexts quickly raises some problem areas … 

… suing requires a lawyer, and a lawyer requires fees. Requiring Aboriginal women and girls to fund their pursuit of justice as trafficking victims is problematic. Considering that Aboriginal women and girls are among the poorest of the poor, this may be a very unaffordable option to pursue their rights. 

Considering the widespread sexual exploitation of Aboriginal women and girls in Canada as a domestic trafficking practice, it would seem logical that any anti-human trafficking endeavours in Canada would have this consideration as one of its key understandings and act upon it. Yet we see from the above examples that it is quite often simply not the case. The Manitoba Act is the only one in existence in Canada.” (p 39)


Victims by “choice”

“Throughout the three articles, the collective argument of the researchers are that the prevalence of sexual abuse suffered by these women as children, their on-going exploitation until they hit the age of 18 (at which point Canadian law, law enforcement, and civil society seem to deem it a ‘choice’), their poverty, and their lack of alternatives can only logically and ethically mean that it is not a choice, they are being exploited, by pimp, madam, or john. In the 2003 article, which was a research endeavour exploring the roots of ‘prostitution’ in nine different countries, these authors make the contention that genuine consent cannot exist in prostitution. Real consent requires: “physical safety, equal power with customers, and real alternatives.” (Farley et al., 2003, p. 65)” (p 40)

“Historical views of Aboriginal females as sexually available and as criminals carries over into some modern views. Added to this image are the impacts of colonization, residential school trauma and intergenerational effect, and the breakdown of traditional communities as a result of these pressures and impacts (Sikka, 2009), resulting in inter-related factors increasing the over-representation of these women and girls in Canada’s domestic sex trade. However, these factors do not move these women into the category of what is popularly and legally considered trafficking, “thus, things that happen to [these women and girls] are not viewed as exploitation or trafficking in persons, but rather as a natural consequence of the life that she has chosen to occupy. The image of the trafficked ‘victim,’ therefore, does not include her story” (Sikka, 2009,p. 2). ” (p 41)

“If, in attempting to address women who have been sexually trafficked, we ignore women working in prostitution who have not been relocated for the purposes of sexual exploitation, and we ignore women who have no pimp but are daily exploited by johns, then it is NWAC’s stance that such a perspective would be unethical to addressing sexually exploited women, and such endeavours would be built to greatly limit the addressing of the real society issues and factors that make up human trafficking for the purposes of sexual exploitation in Canada.”


Legalized prostitution: a failed project

“Illegal prostitution, in the form of human trafficking, continues to take place in countries, such as Germany, where it was legalized in 2002. Two-thirds of the estimated 400,000 sex workers in Germany travel from overseas to the country (Osborne, 2013) where the system of legalized prostitution provides a cover for traffickers to mask indications of international human trafficking, allowing women in large numbers to be brought to Germany and sexually exploited (Unprotected: How legalizing prostitution has failed, 2013). When confronted by police, many workers from outside of Germany were told what to say by their pimps to avoid suspicion. Since the legalization of prostitution in Germany, the number of trafficked victims has increased from an estimate of 9,870 – 19,740 in 2001 to 12,350 – 24,700 in 2003 (German Federal Police Office Report, 2009, p.75). The legalized prostitution system has provided for a great increase in trafficking victims in an unhealthy dynamic that seems to be increasing the number of women who are forced and trapped within a legalized system.


Quit talking, start doing

“Perhaps it is time to reframe the discussion on sex trafficking in Canada and greatly increase the emphasis on exploring Aboriginal over-representation, exiting, and prevention as opposed to repeatedly ‘discovering’ high Aboriginal representation in research on Canada’s domestic sex trafficking and sexual exploitation. Some of this would be addressed through pursuing a national research agenda that would present a comprehensive picture of Aboriginal representation in Canada’s domestic sex trafficking. Partly it would depend on recognition in the ranks of policy development and implementation that Aboriginal contexts should be a priority. It is not our contention to displace others who are suffering in sexual exploitation and trafficking in Canada.

However, from our research, and that of others, findings show that Aboriginal women and girls are drastically over-represented in sex trafficking to the point where they seem to be the dominant representatives in some regions of Canada, and not far behind that in other places. With Aboriginal women and girls making up such a small segment of Canada’s population, this over-representation is unacceptable and requires immediate attention.”


Caker question: What’s the difference between ‘red-skins’?

“The prevailing practice in research focusing on Aboriginal women and girls in sex trafficking and sexual exploitation in Canada uses a “pan-Aboriginal” approach which amalgamates First Nations, Métis, and Inuit Peoples into one group. This is both troubling and problematic. It does not fully recognize the cultural diversity, distinctness, and identities of First Nations, Métis, and Inuit Peoples.”


Buying sex: interconnection

“As I’ve studied and learned from women who’ve been exploited and prostituted – most from the time they were children – it has become clear to me that trafficking, prostitution, strip clubs and pornography are all interconnected. Unless we are willing to talk about and address each of these, and in particular, the demand that drives them, we won’t solve the problem of sexual exploitation.”

Ms. Beazley further expressed that, “Pornography teaches entitlement – the idea that sex is a need, and that men have a right to it on their terms at any time, which legitimizes the buying of sex and leads us to accept that there should be a class of women made available for purchase. Porn feeds the demand for paid sex – which funnels women into prostitution. Men consume porn and seek out the sex they believe other men are having and feel they too are entitled to have. As violence and degradation in porn have become commonplace, this is mirrored in the lived experiences of women in prostitution. And all of this fuels sex trafficking. Increased demand for paid sex always leads to an increase in trafficking. Trafficking victims are exploited in pornography, and filmed sex acts are sometimes used as a means of coercion and control. Porn is also used to groom and train trafficking victims.”


John entitlement: violence

“We know from the research that a very high number of Johns are violent (this includes both physical and verbal acts of aggression). High-volume participant studies return high reports of violence: 90% of 100 women (52 of which were First Nations) had been physically assaulted in prostitution (Farley, Lynne, & Cotton, 2005); 92% reported being raped in prostitution – over half were raped 5-10 times, 15% of them raped over 20 times; 84% reported being physically assaulted while prostituting, and of the assaults, Johns were the perpetrators for 44% of the attacks (Farley et al, 2011, p. 28). While we recognize that there is a distinction between prostitution and trafficking, as prostitution is deemed non-forced and trafficking as forced, we think it is fair to work on the inference that, if different, trafficking victims would face more, not less violence. For this reason, studies on violence against prostitutes would still have bearing on people who are sexually trafficked.” (pg 46)

Blame Jezebel

“From their perspective, it would seem that the fundamental approach in Canada was misdirected, and that blame for trafficking fell squarely on the shoulders of trafficked women and girls. This was reflected in the fact that prosecuting of prostitution where currently women faced incarceration for acts of prostitution while the johns were sent to john school (a place where johns are educated on prostitution such that they are discouraged from engaging in it again). Incarceration only further marginalizes and discriminates against these vulnerable women and girls and makes difficult their exiting of prostitution for safer, more reliable employment options. The law does not seem to be effective in pursuing pimps and johns. In their experience, the interviewees indicated that judgment, on the part of police and media, seemed to be a very relevant factor in terms of whether police perform fairly when it comes to missing and trafficked Aboriginal girls. The police are more likely to arrest the women over the men. Some may have thought it was a form of helping these women.”


Torture vs Assault

“Additionally, we would like to specifically address the aspect of torture in sexual exploitation and trafficking. Torture that occurs in the context of intimate relationships and trafficking is dismissed as an assault or domestic violence. Two of the key informants that were interviewed spoke of how disappointed they are in Canada because of the present government’s refusal to change section 269.1 of the criminal code so that a private individual (a non-State actor) who commits classic torture can be criminally charged for the crime of torture they perpetrate; making such a change to the criminal code was a recommendation given to Canada by the UN Committee against Torture in 2012. They explained further that the criminal code only criminalizes torture perpetrated by State actors such as military and police personnel. Currently, the definition of human trafficking is about perpetrators who work to enslave a victim in the ways described in Canadian law and the UN Protocol to Prevent, Suppress & Punish Trafficking in Persons, Especially Women and Children. The interviewees strongly emphasized that “once enslaved the reality is that many are tortured and Canadian law does not provide for holding such torturers criminally accountable for the torture they inflict; they must be, to eliminate discrimination under the law and support the human and legal rights of women and girls so victimized to speak their truth, be heard, and seek justice.” (pg 73)

Finally I will include what seem to be the most relevant and common sense solutions recommended for implementation:


Social Support Programs

“As much as is possible and practical, involve experiential survivors in the running of support programs and services. According to previous research, this is one of the best ways to make positive connections with women and girls currently being exploited, which reinforces their own commitment for and belief in changing their lives for the better.

  • Involve experiential women (former and, if possible, current) in the development of new programs and support services; showing them how important their voices and input are helps build confidence while ensuring the program will connect with them and meet their needs.

  • Aboriginal women and girls need safe housing and safe spaces; homelessness and a lack of safe places greatly increase the vulnerability of these women and girls. Immediate funding and long-term support are needed to provide for this housing shortage

  • Provide childcare for participants in programs. Many of these women and young girls are attempting to raise children; without adequately providing for their childcare needs, they may be unable to attend or effectively engage with any support programs and services.”


THE TAKEAWAY:

Because the overwhelming majority of cakers are too lazy, racist and stupid to read a simple report, I will summarize and interpret:

– As poverty statistics show: Aboriginal people all over the country overwhelmingly live in poverty and often third world conditions (see: north, rural).

– Most Aboriginal women grow up in dysfunctional homes with cycles of family violence and addictions; these are in part a result of a century of child sexual abuse, rape, and torture at residential schools.

While cakers will tell the communities to “get over it”, the last school closed in the 90s. For those who went to school during the 60s era and had children in the 80s, their offspring are somewhere in the late 20s to early 30s age-group; it is still fairly “new” inter-generational trauma.

-When Aboriginal girls are removed from their dysfunctional homes and placed in foster care (with “white parents”) they are at large risk of being sexually abused: 4x the average of non-indigenous girls, as many as 1 in 5 girls (likely more).

-After being abused at home, growing up in dysfunction, and/or being sexually abused in foster care, a significant portion go on to become addicted, homeless, or are “pimped” into prostitution or sexually trafficked.

-Aboriginal women make up the majority of trafficked persons in Canada.

-Society then complains about the victims of “choice” when they go missing or are murdered, saying they “chose” to be victims, thereby dismissing their hardships and the systemic racism in Canada.

-The women are punished more often – and harsher –  than the men who are “buying” them. Without demand there is no need for supply (as anyone fighting the “drug war” will tell you); it is a simple, well known principle.

It seems absurd to re-victimize the very people who have been downtrodden their whole lives, but this is what the Canadian system does.

So after non-aboriginal Canadians raped and abused the children at residential schools, they then are the majority of johns “buying” the children and women in Winnipeg, Vancouver, etc. They are also the majority sexually-abusing indigenous girls in foster care.

Is it any wonder that the “Johns” or customers are never held to account, properly prosecuted or investigated? It’s no coincidence. It is easy to blame the victim for existing, for not “trying hard enough” to escape victimhood, while the perpetrators remain protected and unprosecuted.

Cakers … such nice people! In fact, they love to tell you how nice they are! They’re “not racist”. And of course they’re “less racist” than Americans (which the facts do not suggest), something they’ll point out should any criticisms arise.

O Canada! 

(Unfriendly) Manitoba

We continue our journey through the caker kingdom by taking a look at Manitoba – one of the ‘prairie provinces’.

What does caker-tourism have to say about it?

“Manitoba, Canada is growing through immigration. Over the past 10 years, almost 130,000 people from all over the world have made a new home in the welcoming communities of our prosperous Canadian province.  

Manitoba offers newcomers the opportunity to take advantage of high employment, affordability, and peaceful living in the cities and towns nestled in the natural beauty of Canada’s central province.” 

Well, that sounds promising doesn’t it? And it’s not like the tourism promos ever lie or anything, but why don’t we take a closer look …

There are about 1.2 million people in Manitoba; its capital and only major city is Winnipeg – with a population of slightly over 600,000. Next comes Brandon at under 50,000; then a sprinkling of communities all under 14,000.

As for Winnipeg winters? They are very cold, not much of a surprise for Canada. Anything else?

Manitoba is known throughout the country for a few things: being boring and unappealing; its crime rate, and its racism/race-conflicts.

Poverty

One third of children in Manitoba live in poverty. A recent report stated:

“The number of Manitoba children and families in poverty, which was pushing a crisis level in 1992, has now become a “chronic nightmare,” ….”

The report says:

“Since 1989, when the House of Commons moved to end child poverty by the year 2000, it has increased by just over 20% (20.3%) in all of Canada. But alarmingly, it has increased by even more (26.1%) in Manitoba.”

“Poor Manitoba families are living in deep poverty, compared to those in all Canada. The poverty gap is the amount needed to reach the poverty line. In Manitoba half of poor two parent families with one child are living $13,061 or more below the poverty line.”

Nearly one in ten children use food banks:

 “More than double (9.5%) in Manitoba used food banks, second only to Newfoundland.”

Crime

Manitoba (particularly Winnipeg) regularly tops the list for violent crime in Canada. Currently in 2018, it has the highest homicide rate among the provinces. According to the CBC, violent crime has increased:

“Winnipeg holds the dubious honour of being the violent crime capital of Canada, with a rate of 153.5 violent crimes per 100,000 people, ahead of Thunder Bay with 140.7. Last year’s rate for Winnipeg was 150.”

Winnipeg, Canada’s most violent city:

“… StatsCan found Winnipeg still had the highest violent crime severity index of all cities studied in 2015. That measure is based on the severity of the crimes committed and the punishments that result from them, as well as the population it relates to.”

A report from Statistics Canada in 2014 noted Manitoba had the highest homicide rate among the provinces for the eighth consecutive year.

Living Costs

Despite the small population, poverty and crime rate, the average house price in Winnipeg is now $314,000. As for income, Global reports:

“In Manitoba, the survey shows the median income in most areas of Winnipeg is in the $30,000 to $40,000 range, although some areas have median incomes as low as $16,000, which leaves people living paycheck to paycheck.”

Racial Conflict

Winnipeg has been called out as Canada’s most racist city.  Conflicts between the white and aboriginal populations are too numerous to mention, with each side blaming the other for crime and poverty; combined with mutual distrust and disgust.

But racism isn’t limited to the Indigenous. Racism towards Syrian refugees was an issue before they’d even arrived. Black residents complain about being profiled by police and even pulled over with guns drawn on them, presumed to be criminals or car thieves.

And when it comes to other issues, such as health care – Manitoba ranks at the bottom again.

“Manitoba ranks near the bottom of a report card on the state of Canada’s health care system. The Conference Board of Canada report, which looked at disease rates, obesity, infant mortality and bad habits such as smoking and a sedentary lifestyle, gives Manitoba a “D” grade.”

Its credit rating was downgraded as the deficit continues to grow:

“In the meantime, Moody’s noted, the provincial debt is growing quickly — from 116 per cent of government revenues in 2011 to an estimated 143 per cent this year. In raw numbers, the net debt has gone from $12.5 billion to $20.4 billion in five years.”

This is but a mere glimpse into the abyss that is Manitoba: a perfect storm of poverty, racism, unaffordable housing, crime, gangs, social division and misery. It’s flat, it’s cold, it’s boring. It’s overpriced and miserable … it’s classic cakerland.

O Canada!

See: Rants about Winnipeg